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[TheFirstEvil100]

I do wish we could have made Hinata lower.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well it really depends on how people voted

[Serenity Namikaze]

We'll see the rankings in april. I still wish for Minato to be no 1, better than Itachi (too many Uchiha in this story).

 

Let's hope that Hinata is not in the top 10 at the very least and Sakura still gets high in ranking even if it was thanks to people voting for her to pissed off the toxic fandom that is Naruto, among the Sakura/SS fans that is.

[Therece]

We'll see the rankings in april. I still wish for Minato to be no 1, better than Itachi (too many Uchiha in this story).

 

Let's hope that Hinata is not in the top 10 at the very least and Sakura still gets high in ranking even if it was thanks to people voting for her to pissed off the toxic fandom that is Naruto, among the Sakura/SS fans that is.

I think Minato have 57.000 Votes for the Sensei while Itachi have almost 100.000 for the Akatsuki.
Minato the leader of the main poll almost didn't get half of the itachi Votes in the Akatsuki poll.

This is a good indicative to show the diference between 1,2 and 3 aren't big. Maybe Minato don't have a comfortable leading.

Itachi or even Sakura could suparss Minato at this rate.
I think probably Itachi will win.

[Therece]

The official account is making a Poll in the Valentine Days about Couples. If you Guys wants to Show NaruSaku fanBase is still alive for a possible Reboot or AU.
 

NARUTO・BORUTO【原作公式】 on Twitter: "今日は #バレンタインデー ！ みなさんはどのカップルが好きですか？？ #NARUTO https://t.co/g3Enzrlo7o" / Twitter

Edited by Therece, 14 February 2023 - 02:06 PM.

[Namaenash]

NS fanbase have moved on. No point to visit the twitter post just to increase its view.

If they want to reboot, sure, by all means. Theyll be dealing with a different customer segments. The NS fanbase that made large contribution to Naruto franchises financial success in 15 years is no longer here.

[LuckyChi7]

NS fanbase have moved on. No point to visit the twitter post just to increase its view.

If they want to reboot, sure, by all means. Theyll be dealing with a different customer segments. The NS fanbase that made large contribution to Naruto franchises financial success in 15 years is no longer here.

I think Id have to agree with Namenash on this one here, There is a different demographic of fans this time, and the ones that made up of the Naruto franchise during its 15 year run have more or less moved on to other things.

I would love for NaruSaku to happen, but at the current state of the series it would just be soulless attempt at getting back at something just to win back an audience.

The saying always goes, you had one chance to make it right and meaningful.

Fact is Kishi went a certain direction and it set a course of where the series is in currently.


No excuses whatsoever!

[Serenity Namikaze]

NS fanbase have moved on. No point to visit the twitter post just to increase its view.

If they want to reboot, sure, by all means. Theyll be dealing with a different customer segments. The NS fanbase that made large contribution to Naruto franchises financial success in 15 years is no longer here.

 

I agree with that!

 

NS fanbase have moved on and what's left are doing their own things outside the canon stuff.

 

At this point, the only official pairing related to NS that ''could make an impact'' would be Minakushi, if people still wish to give supports outside NH/SS.

 

Or give support to other pairings like ShikaTema, for example. 

Edited by Serenity Namikaze, 14 February 2023 - 08:43 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

You know we haven't actually had anyone interested in the polls they do, in the time I've been on this site. However, even treating this as a new thing, this is getting old. They should have already have enough data from: 15 years of Naruto's success, 6-8 years of Boruto's failure, that poll they just did, and the SS manga high views but low sales. To make the decision. Eventually, your just doing endless polls to be given the same results to a company that refuses to admit what the data shows and act.

 

Kishimoto is not going to support a NS remake until at least Boruto ends because it would be backstabbing Ikemoto and the anime staff who work on it. Even if he did, has he learned what the problems with Naruto were and how to fix them?

 

I'm going to keep saying it but if you really want them to hear you, write a letter. It just as likely to have the effect of these endless polls but at least you would be expressing yourself, instead of letting some poll analyzer decided what your vote says.

 

Judging by the retweets nH/SS with...oh god they got to Hime...she looks awful even animated. Anyways if all the retweets are nH/SS does that means they are popular and bring in the money? We already have examples of that not being the case.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 14 February 2023 - 04:04 PM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

You know we haven't actually had anyone interested in the polls they do, in the time I've been on this site. However, even treating this as a new thing, this is getting old. They should have already have enough data from: 15 years of Naruto's success, 6-8 years of Boruto's failure, that poll they just did, and the SS manga high views but low sales. To make the decision. Eventually, your just doing endless polls to be given the same results to a company that refuses to admit what the data shows and act.

 

Kishimoto is not going to support a NS remake until at least Boruto ends because it would be backstabbing Ikemoto and the anime staff who work on it. Even if he did, has he learned what the problems with Naruto were and how to fix them?

 

I'm going to keep saying it but if you really want them to hear you, write a letter. It just as likely to have the effect of these endless polls but at least you would be expressing yourself, instead of letting some poll analyzer decided what your vote says.

 

Judging by the retweets nH/SS with...oh god they got to Hime...she looks awful even animated. Anyways if all the retweets are nH/SS does that means they are popular and bring in the money, we already have examples of that not being the case.

 

They have data but they kittened up with so many things regarding the story that they probably don't know what made Naruto a success while making Boruto a failure, which is probably why they are making so many polls and posts.

 

I agree that the best option for people being annoyed by all of this is still to write a letter directly to them if it's to give real inputs. It will mostly not work but hey, at least the people writing won't play into their games that are oh so pointless to see what can actually sale.

[Derock]

I'm going to keep saying it but if you really want them to hear you, write a letter. It just as likely to have the effect of these endless polls but at least you would be expressing yourself, instead of letting some poll analyzer decided what your vote says.

 

That letter or email needs to be fully translated to Japanese, free of grammatical errors. They won't respond to English.

[BlueStarSaber]

In terms of a reboot/remake/alternative ending at the moment unlikely, but I wouldn't say impossible. After all digimon recently had a reboot series and I believe ikemoto wanted to originally do a reboot but did boruto in the end, as I beleive that's what etheir Jump, Pierrot or both wanted.

Best bet would be to test it as a multiverse or elseworld/what if story so you see how well it does and not upset those thank like the boruto continuity and don't want it fully erased. Plus I do feel most genreal audiences are more open to multiverse stories after marvel and dc doing them for films.

Granted in the sense they have already done it once in a filler what if about Naruto's parents being alive, but this time don't make it a dream. Heck they could do more with the road to ninjaverse if they wanted.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 14 February 2023 - 05:31 PM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

In terms of a reboot/remake/alternative ending at the moment unlikely, but I wouldn't say impossible. After all digimon recently had a reboot series and I believe ikemoto wanted to originally do a reboot but did boruto in the end, as I beleive that's what etheir Jump, Pierrot or both wanted.

Best bet would be to test it as a multiverse or elseworld/what if story so you see how well it does and not upset those thank like the boruto continuity and don't want it fully erased. Plus I do feel most genreal audiences are more open to multiverse stories after marvel and dc doing them for films.

Granted in the sense they have already done it once in a filler what if about Naruto's parents being alive, but this time don't make it a dream. Heck they could do more with the road to ninjaverse if they wanted.

 

Considering that they already opened the possibility with RTN and like you said, with all the Marvel/DC multi universe and what if stories, they could pull up that scenarios quite well if they really want to test the water in a much better way than voting polls that only shows popularity, not really what can actually sell.

 

They could do series of one shots, in the ninja world but even in other worlds like the one ending of peirrot showing Naruto and the gand in high school. Whatever they do, one thing for sure, they have to focus on the Naruto aspect alot more than the Boruto one since Boruto clearly doesn't work out.

 

This solution might respect the fanbase that are still there while maybe gaining some that are curious about it but really, like I said before, I hightly doubt they will do it, even if it's after Boruto is done. If they were smart enough around the ending of Naruto, they wouldn't have been in this mess in the first place and frankly, even if they do pull this solution, like many have said previously, the majority of the fandom that made Naruto a succcess is no longer there and won't come back even if it's out of curiousity (or at least not to support their products).

 

But yeah, I do agree that if they really want, they could pull this and it could work....if they are smart which, we all know for years now, they aren't.

[BlueStarSaber]

Depends on the fan really some will be nope not trusting you ever again, while some might if the alternative material ends up being good.

[Therece]

NS fanbase have moved on. No point to visit the twitter post just to increase its view.

If they want to reboot, sure, by all means. Theyll be dealing with a different customer segments. The NS fanbase that made large contribution to Naruto franchises financial success in 15 years is no longer here.

Not just NS fans. Most of the old Fanbases abandoned the Franchise after 8 year of Boruto trash,

 

Just the hardcore SS/NH fans are the more louder fanbases from the old ones to still survive the Bort eras. I guess even the casuals one left. At this point Boruto needs to be cancelled or Ignored and a fresh Part 3 must be done if Kishimoto/Producers wants to Save the franchise.

 

 

The sales tells everything.  Even the Novel sales drastically dropped.

Boruto not retaining even 10% of Naruto sales which indicates a massive loss of audience. Boruto's terrible writting and being a flop negatively affected the entire franchise.

1.000.000 manga Volumes = 100.000 sales for novels.

100.000 Manga sales = 10.000 Sales for Novels.

 

Naruto is still famous in the west and get views and youtube.

But this isn't enough.

 

Manga sales:

 

 

 

Novel Sales:

 

Edited by Therece, 14 February 2023 - 07:59 PM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

Depends on the fan really some will be nope not trusting you ever again, while some might if the alternative material ends up being good.

 

If they can make actual good stories, I can agree that even old fans, might come back for at least these alternate materials.

 

Problem is, they don't know how to make good stories. If they did, they wouldn't use  voting polls strategies to ask fans what is popular to write their own stuff.

 

 

A story can be popular  but if they don't know how to properly write and be consistant, at some point it only going to fail. Also, if you want to make a story really great, you have to put effort to it, research on subjects that affect the story. For example, Avatar the last airbender is a great story but it isn't just about the story but about the extent amount of research of things related to the story that make it that great. They asked a real martial artist to produce the moves when making the animation from each nation martial arts, for example.

 

Proof of bad writing was done in Naruto many times during its course but it was still popular so wjho cares if they make changes that doesn't make any senses and don't pull out real efforts to the story. After The last movie (only reason why The last movie sales was sorta good was because they pulled the tricks of the no refund policy), while the sales was still ok, it did started to be affected greatly. One big example of bad writing with no effort was to make the whole drama scenario about the DNA to try to mislead the fans about who's Sarada's mother, One thing because they are people that not only knows how to read but knows facts and even if they don't, they are smart enough to research about the subject. Kishimoto has shown that he has no ideas how to properly write without real guidance to make his creativity really shine and Ikemoto is no better, probably even worst, if the sales of the Boruto mangas are proof enough.

 

 

So while I can agree that it can be done, the people that are working on the Naruto-Boruto franchise have shown that they have no idea how write properly because if they did, while Boruto might not be as profitable as Naruto for many reasons, if written properly, the sales wouldn't be as abysmal as it is for years now.

 

So the same could be said if they try to write alternative materials, A lot of good alternative materials could be done but again, they have shown many times that they don't know how to write and worst, not really truly caring about the story and its characters. If they did, they would have done it years ago like idk, focus on Naruto/The uzumakis's back story, for example.

 

At this point, only way to maybe see Naruto-Boruto profitable again is to have someone like Hayao Miyazaki to write these alternate stories lol

 

 

[Dalton.T.R]

It depends for me. If Kishimoto publicly came out and announced to the world he was wrong to do what he did and that he ruined his story, and expose SP for the dirt bags they are, I'd be willing to give him a second chance. BUT he would be facing an uphill climb. His reputation in Japan was completely destroyed, so I highly doubt he'll have another chance to make a big lasting series. 

[Therece]

It depends for me. If Kishimoto publicly came out and announced to the world he was wrong to do what he did and that he ruined his story, and expose SP for the dirt bags they are, I'd be willing to give him a second chance. BUT he would be facing an uphill climb. His reputation in Japan was completely destroyed, so I highly doubt he'll have another chance to make a big lasting series. 

Well i don't think Kishimoto will come to public and apologize for his final Pairings Choices.
After all this is a Shounen Manga and pairings fanbases in these types of stories are completely secondary.

If Boruto was Naruto and Sakura's son the Story will flop in the same way.

Kishimoto biggest mistake was alow Boruto to exist because the producers convinced him to milk Naruto Franchise until the end.

At this point if he really wanted to save naruto legacy and his own legacy as a mangaka. He need to cancel Boruto URGENTLY.  Dragon Ball GT didnt did half of the damage and was cancelled after a year.

Edited by Therece, 15 February 2023 - 03:33 AM.

[Namaenash]

The ending of Naruto franchise was made specifically to cater NH and SS audience. Which, ended up to be very small in terms of financial contributions.

This is Pareto principle at play and NS fanbase is the ~20% that brings ~80% of the revenue. History and data spoke by itself.

You take out the significant few, youll loose at least ~80% gradually until the market corrects itself and find the new equilibrium. Happens clearly with Borutos less than 100k sales per volume. Thats the new equilibrium, and when you relate it to the abrupt ending made for SS/NH, thats pretty much their size. About 5% of the original fanbase from sales perspective.

Edited by Namaenash, 15 February 2023 - 05:51 AM.

[Therece]

Well 8/6 months  after the manga ending the post Material drawing/made by Kishimoto aren't performing bad.

Gaiden got 1.000.000 of sells the the same quantity for a regular Part 2 Naruto Volume
Boruto The Movie got 40.000.000 of Box Offices. The Biggest  Naruto Movie in the history.
Far better than The Last  or Road to Ninja.
The Novels was selling good too.

Thats why i don't belive SS/NH and the loss of NS fandom have some impact in the casual fans who never cared about pairings and only like the fights..

Boruto's flop is the entire fault of the trash/uninteresting story who are damaging the entire franchise since 2016.

Edited by Therece, 15 February 2023 - 06:20 AM.