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#21 Derock

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Jan 15 2010, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats not up to the writers to decide and its horsecrap if it is. they might suddenly decide its mroe realisitc for Hinata to come up and hug him first on his return and for Sakura to punch him into orbit if thats the case.

If they want to add scenes in fine. If they want to add in filler to keep the pacing of the scene fine. If they want to push a scene back like they did with the sage training fine.

but they dont get to cherry pick the scenes to their liking. when they start doing that they start going down the path fo the Full metal Alchemist Anime. the one that no longer even remotely resembles its manga counterpart.

Sorry Derrock but your wrong here. because if they can change something as clear as a SasuKarin moment because they feel like it. then they can change somthing more signifigant like the NaruSaku huug or the confession becuase they feel that Hinata would be better in that moment or mroe realistic.


But the writers had done this since when they first started animated the series, Catsi. And there will be more soon, though its very unpredicable. We are not sure where and when are these alterations can occur. While the graphic violent/disturbing/inappropriate scenes are the ones we know and are expected, but alterations such as a dramatic or intimate scene, it can go either or (as in stay as its manga counterpart or to be extend/change for the pacing).

The animators had done this to NaruSaku when following the canon back in Part 1, especially their "date" scene before Sasuke left the village. That scene, which was explained in the Debate thread by yours truly, had so much alterations, I don't know what was going on with the writers' mind. Hell there was more stuff before that scene that were alter for no purpose whatsoever. (Primary examples were Sakura and Sasuke's intros, adding the rest of the Rookie 9 on Episode 1 when they were supposed to be first in the Chunin Exams and many more... leafninja.com has the list of the alterations though its incomplete.) Even Shippuden first started with Episode 1, the NaruSaku reunion was altered (good, but left out Kakashi and Tsunade until later on and added on Moegi and Udon for whatever reason, oh they were added in for a filler of a D-rank mission they had completed).

But they do cherry pick, not constantly but hidden here and there. The writers over at Pierrot doesn't always follow the straight line Kishimoto had gave us in the manga. They will alter a dramatic/intimate scene in an instant. But however, Hinata won't go that far on hugging Naruto after the Pain fight. If that occurs, it will not only ruin the upcoming moments for the "crazy confession drama" we're going to see once they reach the point but also make to see that Hinata is very important to the storyline when she is not.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Jan 15 2010, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats not up to the writers to decide and its horsecrap if it is. they might suddenly decide its mroe realisitc for Hinata to come up and hug him first on his return and for Sakura to punch him into orbit if thats the case.

If they want to add scenes in fine. If they want to add in filler to keep the pacing of the scene fine. If they want to push a scene back like they did with the sage training fine.

but they dont get to cherry pick the scenes to their liking. when they start doing that they start going down the path fo the Full metal Alchemist Anime. the one that no longer even remotely resembles its manga counterpart.

Sorry Derrock but your wrong here. because if they can change something as clear as a SasuKarin moment because they feel like it. then they can change somthing more signifigant like the NaruSaku huug or the confession becuase they feel that Hinata would be better in that moment or mroe realistic.


I will have to agree with you catsi but remember. Kishi may have nothing to do with the anime but he watches the anime and if there's something in the anime that he doesn't like, as the creator of the series he has the right to speak his mind and add his opinion to the one in charge of the anime (Pierrot) that he doesn't like whatever he and his team put in the anime. Knowing Pierrot (who's a N/H supporter) he might do the N/S 450 hug changing Sakura with Hinata. However that will be over Kishi's dead body he won't let that happen he wants the anime to follow his manga story line and plot he agrees with the fillers because they need the fillers to give time for his manga to be ahead of the anime. He won't let them change the Naru/Saku hug or the part where Hinata is smiling all happily like it didn't bothered her to see the intimate hug.

A while back Pierrot asked Kishi to give Hinata more background and make her more as a main character and heroine. In other words he wanted more N/H in the anime and Kishi didn't agree with his idea. Pierrot obviously wants more N/H because its famous in other countries and more N/H fillers equals more ratings. To this very day Pierrot seems to have given up and now he's following Kishi's will with putting N/S hints all over the anime and to this very day Kishi hasn't argue with him looks like he agrees with the N/S hints in the anime I wonder why? rolleyes.gif

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I also agree with you that the animators have changed/edited things during part 1 about N/S. But remember that back in part 1 Kishi didn't intended to put romance in his manga so any pairing in part 1 had a one sided development. It was in part 2 that Kishi decided to put romance and make one canon pairing with development using the development from part 1 as back up, he picked one couple who had the potential and the development and decided to focus and develop that particular pairing very slowly. happy.gif

Edited by Gravenimage, 15 January 2010 - 07:55 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jan 15 2010, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will have to agree with you catsi but remember. Kishi may have nothing to do with the anime but he watches the anime and if there's something in the anime that he doesn't like, as the creator of the series he has the right to speak his mind and add his opinion to the one in charge of the anime (Pierrot) that he doesn't like whatever he and his team put in the anime. Knowing Pierrot (who's a N/H supporter) he might do the N/S 450 hug changing Sakura with Hinata. However that will be over Kishi's dead body he won't let that happen he wants the anime to follow his manga story line and plot he agrees with the fillers because they need the fillers to give time for his manga to be ahead of the anime. He won't let them change the Naru/Saku hug or the part where Hinata is smiling all happily like it didn't bothered her to see the intimate hug.

A while back Pierrot asked Kishi to give Hinata more background and make her more as a main character and heroine. In other words he wanted more N/H in the anime and Kishi didn't agree with his idea. Pierrot obviously wants more N/H because its famous in other countries and more N/H fillers equals more ratings. To this very day Pierrot seems to have given up and now he's following Kishi's will with putting N/S hints all over the anime and to this very day Kishi hasn't argue with him looks like he agrees with the N/S hints in the anime I wonder why? rolleyes.gif


I have to quote for correction that Pierrot is the studio, not a person. Just to be clear, okay? happy.gif

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 11:05 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ Jan 15 2010, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have to quote for correction that Pierrot is the studio, not a person. Just to be clear, okay? happy.gif


Whoops sorry I really didn't know that hehe. tongue.gif
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 11:10 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Jan 15 2010, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry Derrock but your wrong here. because if they can change something as clear as a SasuKarin moment because they feel like it. then they can change somthing more signifigant like the NaruSaku huug or the confession becuase they feel that Hinata would be better in that moment or mroe realistic.


It kind of makes me a bit mad too. Not at derock or anything, but how. Idk, I understand what she said how SasuKarin would have more 1-sided moments, but I dislike how the animators kinda overdo the onesided thing, seeing as SasuKarin is... I don't wanna say it's onesided cuz I don't think it is, but the animators accentuate that it is... and I can hear the Karin haters celebrating... ahhh.

Do I make any sense? sad.gif Sorry.

In the end it's kinda disappointing, but at least the Studio doesn't support SasuSaku, neh? biggrin.gif
meh.

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Posted 16 January 2010 - 04:23 AM

QUOTE (Derock @ Jan 15 2010, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The animators had done this to NaruSaku when following the canon back in Part 1, especially their "date" scene before Sasuke left the village. That scene, which was explained in the Debate thread by yours truly, had so much alterations, I don't know what was going on with the writers' mind. Hell there was more stuff before that scene that were alter for no purpose whatsoever. (Primary examples were Sakura and Sasuke's intros, adding the rest of the Rookie 9 on Episode 1 when they were supposed to be first in the Chunin Exams and many more... leafninja.com has the list of the alterations though its incomplete.) Even Shippuden first started with Episode 1, the NaruSaku reunion was altered (good, but left out Kakashi and Tsunade until later on and added on Moegi and Udon for whatever reason, oh they were added in for a filler of a D-rank mission they had completed).


They did it when they animated 343 too, in the manga Sakura gives Naruto a "bedroom eyes" look when it was animated she just smiles, and where in the manga Sakura's reaction to Sai and Kakashi's interuptions is more obvious in showing she was making an overt flirtation with Naruto, a fisted hand at Sai and an embarassed "busted!" reaction to Kakashi's arrival. In the anime she just giggles. It still points toward her having some sort of romantic intention, but in the manga it's overt where the anime underplays it by altering things. (They also omitted the revelation in 347 that Sakura has a bit of a perverted streak just like Naruto, and they had Moegi beat up Konohamaru for the yuri no jutsu.)

But yeah, I'm not a sasukarin shipper but I was pretty disappointed at the omission of what did point toward sasukarin in the manga. catsi is right all those points in that fight were sharply significant (of course they zipped through the Team 7 flashback so fast you barely got a glimpse, and that seemed wrong too.) It was this that did show there was some mutual feeling between Sasuke and Karin- another first as well. Before that he never had any interest in any female.

My guess is the animators are ignoring it because they just want to write Sasuke gets darker plotline. And it's easier just to make Karin look like a Sasuke fangirl than build in the mutual moments that would make a more complex story. That stuff in the manga made him look less dark, despite what Taka was doing. We found out almost right away that Bee fooled them and got away in the manga too, so again it kind of takes Sasuke in a bit of a U turn away from the dark path.
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 11:23 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jan 15 2010, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel your pain too Cupcake-chan but it can't be help. The anime is moving too fast and if this keeps up it won't be long before they reach the manga in order to prevent this from happening they need to make a filler arc and a long one until the manga gets further ahead again I just hope it isn't longer than the three tails arc because that filler arc sucked mad.gif. I hope this arc will be good it will about the six tails and it will get good if they put some N/S moments I know I know fillers don't count but N/S fillers are better than N/H fillers any day. smile.gif



I totally agreed with you, the three tails arc was tiresome and way too long. I hope that in this filler, we will see some good action with the six tails and of course, some N/S moments happy.gif . As for you're last statement, I have to agreed with you once again, with N/H fillers, there is no good action because nothing happen !


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Posted 16 January 2010 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jan 15 2010, 03:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shion the snotty priestess from the first Shippuden movie, and Amaru the clueless girl who dressed like a boy in movie 2. Apparently movie three was blessedly free of filler fangirls, just filler villains and the story focuses pretty strongly on Kakashi, Sai, Naruto and Sakura. The other classmates of Naruto and Sakura also have some part in the movie, and even Gaara makes an appearence. I'm actually looking forward to when it gets released on DVD in Japan and we can see it. There's actually some funny narusaku moments in movie 3 too.




Same here, can't wait for the third movie to be release on DVD. I've seen some preview and, so far, it's seem to be to best of all of the Naruto movies. Plus, if there is some funny NaruSaku moment, all the better biggrin.gif


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Posted 16 January 2010 - 11:34 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ Jan 15 2010, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have to agree with the whole SasuKarin moment. They completely made it so damn... so... shojo-ish... down.gif Like it almost become an ecchi manga or something...

Damnit, we have to wait to see Raikage, Omoi, Karui and Samui after the fillers... dry.gif



Yes, the SasuKarin moment was just to much dry.gif . The bitting scene, even if it for healing Sasuke wounds is totally gross yucky.gif


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Posted 16 January 2010 - 11:42 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Jan 15 2010, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats not up to the writers to decide and its horsecrap if it is. they might suddenly decide its mroe realisitc for Hinata to come up and hug him first on his return and for Sakura to punch him into orbit if thats the case.

If they want to add scenes in fine. If they want to add in filler to keep the pacing of the scene fine. If they want to push a scene back like they did with the sage training fine.

Sorry Derrock but your wrong here. because if they can change something as clear as a SasuKarin moment because they feel like it. then they can change somthing more signifigant like the NaruSaku huug or the confession becuase they feel that Hinata would be better in that moment or mroe realistic.




rawr.gif They better not changing the hug scene between Naruto and Sakura and then make it more a Hinata moment DAMMIT. I can understand that they don't see the importance with SasuKarin but NaruSaku is A LOT MORE SIGNIFICANT

Edited by silverserenity, 16 January 2010 - 11:44 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2010 - 12:57 AM

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Please don't make double post you can put it all in one post with the edit button they warned me not to double post.
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 04:02 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jan 15 2010, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At least with this time the 7 tails character design and name is Kishimoto's, not just totally made up stuff, but the girl they'll be escorting- everything about her was made up by the anime time. Guarantee she'll be another fangirl for Naruto like the Shippuden movie filler Naruto fangirls. From the clip looks like she'll be the fainting, helpless maiden type... and for some reason the 7 tails abducts her, in the clip with him this time he had an Alpha male type vibe...


Oh, it's good that I'm not the only one who noticed this. tongue.gif

For me, it seems overused in a way. During the fillers, a damsel in distress, or the main character of that filler, would be saved by Naruto, then that certain damsel would be attracted to him, or have a crush on him then. But, I don't have any bad feelings for that. It's nice to see Naruto getting more allies and some fangirls too. wow.png

In any case, I still hope that the filler arc that comes after this, would be something new and different. Something entirely unique.

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 05:06 AM

QUOTE (Shadowmoon~ @ Jan 16 2010, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, it's good that I'm not the only one who noticed this. tongue.gif

For me, it seems overused in a way. During the fillers, a damsel in distress, or the main character of that filler, would be saved by Naruto, then that certain damsel would be attracted to him, or have a crush on him then. But, I don't have any bad feelings for that. It's nice to see Naruto getting more allies and some fangirls too. wow.png

In any case, I still hope that the filler arc that comes after this, would be something new and different. Something entirely unique.


It gets old really fast when the filler fangirl sucks up almost all the screen time and Naruto becomes a secondary character in the story named for him, Sakura and anyone else become even more minimal characters. It's better when the filler characters are just the villains instead, the animators are more inclined to keep things in balance then. I actually found the 3 tails filler the most tolerable filler arc they've ever done because Yukimaru had the strongest bond to Gurren, and I actually thought they made Gurren an interesting character who grew believably over the arc.

Edited by ciardha, 17 January 2010 - 05:11 AM.

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 07:21 AM

^^ Naruto has already practically become a secondary character, there was just to much damn saskue ( i know the mistake, i just like spelling it like that )

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 05:15 AM

I want Naruto back...but not in filler. They could have done a better adaptation expansion for the post-Jiraya-death Naruto as well as showing his sage training in detail. Anyhow, looks like we get to see one of the Jinchuriki in this arc. I just hope they don't overdo the characterizations again.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 07:01 AM

QUOTE (EarthBorn @ Jan 18 2010, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just hope they don't overdo the characterizations again.


You've doomed us all.

And yeah, I don't care much for filler characters. It's bad enough when it's a single episode, but for these long arcs... Ugh. Even if the Jinchuuriki has the canon name and appearance, it doesn't mean he's going to have the same personality Kishimoto would have given him.

See Psycho-Kabuto from the Three-Tails Arc. God, that was painful.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 04:16 PM

Here's hoping the fillers will at least have some NaruSaku AMV fodder scenes, if anything.

I'm imagining the new Jinchuuriki guy to be a bit like Sasuke only without the arrogance. Just a quiet, serious type. That's how he appeared to me. Of course, the only thing I have to go by is the way he carried himself in that one picture Kishi drew of all the Jinchuuriki together. Anyone else think so?

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:39 PM

I kinda thought he was kinda boring based off the singular cover Kishi did. I mean, bubbles? But the anime seems to be making him into something interesting...
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