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[dl316bh]

 

Alot of people hated LJ because it was poorly written schlock. And aren't you insulting Leia for thinking that? That you believe people only remember her because of Return of the Jedi and her slave outfit. She had a lot of great scenes throughout the original trilogy. Frankly it's feminist types that are the true sexists because they believe women characters shouldn't be sexy.

 

Hahahahahahahaha

[jak123]

 

Hahahahahahahaha

You can laugh at me all you want, but while you accuse others of things, you are showing yourself to be projecting. 

[dl316bh]

You can laugh at me all you want, but while you accuse others of things, you are showing yourself to be projecting. 

 

Whatever you say, homeboy. You do you.

[jak123]

 

Whatever you say, homeboy. You do you.

You stay in denial. 

[dl316bh]

You stay in denial.

 

Cool beans. I'll do that and you go back to your whiny anti-feminist stuff and we'll both be super happy. Glad we came to this agreement.

[Bail o' Lies]

To get back on topic. To be honest from what I have seen from hinata fans the sexism/feminism/chauvinism/masculinity has very little to do with their stance nor really liberalism or conservatism. What is important is the concept of friend-zoning, and the fact that a lot of them despise Sakura because she reminds them of girls that did it to them.

[Nostradamus]

To get back on topic. To be honest from what I have seen from hinata fans the sexism/feminism/chauvinism/masculinity has very little to do with their stance nor really liberalism or conservatism. What is important is the concept of friend-zoning, and the fact that a lot of them despise Sakura because she reminds them of girls that did it to them.

And that's why Hinata has the fans that she has.

[Bail o' Lies]

And that's why Hinata has the fans that she has.

She easy to get, easy to keep, will never cheat on you, she so shy she will never question you, she from a rich family, she got big breast, and she can fight anyone but you.

 

I've seen people praise Hinata as a goddess, and despise Sakura as a useless whore in one sentence. Then talk about how awful the wage gap is in the next. Now granted they are modern day male feminist; so, a lot of what jak says about them probably does hold water.

[ultranx]

from what I hear of the broly movie from the youtubers that saw it at the hollywood premiere, people say its done so well, the saiyan history, the broly backstory, the fighting, its their favorite anime movie of all time, pretty sure its probably gonna make the boruto movie look bad xD plus I hear the fighting is the best out of all the dragon ball movies.

[Bail o' Lies]

From what I hear of the broly movie; from the youtubers that saw it at the hollywood premiere, people say its done so well, the saiyan history, the broly backstory, the fighting, its their favorite anime movie of all time, pretty sure its probably gonna make the boruto movie look bad xD plus I hear the fighting is the best out of all the dragon ball movies.

The original Broly movie was one of the most popular and well received Dragon Ball movie. Which most peoples' main complaint was Broly's weak backstory. If they fixed that; then the main problem is solved. Add in finally having the canonical story of the sayjin and of course it going to go be well received and do well in the box office. Especially compared to the chunin exam again with a spoiled brat that's main selling point is one good fight, and SNS.

[jak123]

The original Broly movie was one of the most popular and well received Dragon Ball movie. Which most peoples' main complaint was Broly's weak backstory. If they fixed that; then the main problem is solved. Add in finally having the canonical story of the sayjin and of course it going to go be well received and do well in the box office. Especially compared to the chunin exam again with a spoiled brat that's main selling point is one good fight, and SNS.

I've heard great things about the movie. I just wish they would show the sub version in theaters instead of the dub which is nowhere as good as it used to be.

[RulesofNature]

To get back on topic. To be honest from what I have seen from hinata fans the sexism/feminism/chauvinism/masculinity has very little to do with their stance nor really liberalism or conservatism. What is important is the concept of friend-zoning, and the fact that a lot of them despise Sakura because she reminds them of girls that did it to them.

 

They identified with Naruto, seeing his loneliness akin to their own. When the girl he likes (to them, for some alien reason) denies him, it ultimately hurt them as well. And when Hinata shows up, offering something resembling companionship... well, she was an oasis in the Sahara. That's why they liked her, because if Hinata would like Naruto than her (and girls like her) would like them as well.

 

But really, they missed what's underneath the underneath. Sakura treated Naruto the way she did because of how he acted like an immature dolt with an ego the size of a small planet. He was off-putting to her, hence why she never saw how lonely he really was. But we can see their relationship deepen as he matures and they spend time together. Hinata, on the other hand, only sees him as the poor little boy on the swing, not for who he really is. As such, she ultimately fails to understand him, and acknowledge what he has become while endangering everyone around her.

 

Which, really, sounds a lot like how he fans view Naruto himself.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Whatever you say, homeboy. You do you.

Whatever you are saying with everything you just said is counter intuitive to your original thot, white knight. Or at least, that would be the nickname that would be given to you.

 

To get back on topic. To be honest from what I have seen from hinata fans the sexism/feminism/chauvinism/masculinity has very little to do with their stance nor really liberalism or conservatism. What is important is the concept of friend-zoning, and the fact that a lot of them despise Sakura because she reminds them of girls that did it to them.

You would think that if that was the case, then Hinata and Sakura would have been different. As mentioned before if it is all about sexism and about women not being oppressed, then Hinata and Sakura's obsessions to their male love interest should be the number one thing they despise.

Hinata has big breast, is subservient, and is so weak that she needs a man to keep her in check. I am not saying this out of hateful, but fact. Without Naruto, she is nothing. She even admits this on occasion. So why do they like her? She should be the anti-thesis to the modern feminist agenda and the fact that she is a stay at home mom to a man who is never around? No, it is something else.

Naruto is such an oddball series in that the fanbase can't keep a consistent reasoning. They have problems with Sakura or any other girl being obsessive, but have no issues with Hinata being obsessive. She is a satellite character by the very nature of her definition especially when you describe her whole character in one word: "Naruto-kun."
 

 

 

They identified with Naruto, seeing his loneliness akin to their own. When the girl he likes (to them, for some alien reason) denies him, it ultimately hurt them as well. And when Hinata shows up, offering something resembling companionship... well, she was an oasis in the Sahara. That's why they liked her, because if Hinata would like Naruto than her (and girls like her) would like them as well.

 

But really, they missed what's underneath the underneath. Sakura treated Naruto the way she did because of how he acted like an immature dolt with an ego the size of a small planet. He was off-putting to her, hence why she never saw how lonely he really was. But we can see their relationship deepen as he matures and they spend time together. Hinata, on the other hand, only sees him as the poor little boy on the swing, not for who he really is. As such, she ultimately fails to understand him, and acknowledge what he has become while endangering everyone around her.

 

Which, really, sounds a lot like how he fans view Naruto himself.

 

This is the irony of it this. They hate Sakura for not reciprocating Naruto's feelings in the beginning, despite them only being kids, but then hate the fact that she is obsessive over Sasuke. They get made at Sakura for lying to Naruto and still focusing on Sasuke, but if she shows hints of getting over Sasuke...they freak. "This can't happen!!" I hear them scream. It is as bad as when I saw some Superman fans freak out when he ends up with Wonder Woman instead of Lois Lane, but then cry in agony how Superman is boring and they don't change it up.

They can't have it both ways.

This is why NS SHOULD have been the end couple all along because it definitely would have given Sakura far more credibility. Yeah, there will be fans who will stay hate her, but no doubt some fans would change their mind about her if she went to Naruto and just socked Sasuke in the jaw.

Such a simple thing to change could have given Sakura more popularity than Hinata to make her as strong willed as Naruto. The radical nH fans would have thrown a fit, but then they would never be happy regardless. I don't care them.

If they truly loved the series and loved Naruto as much as they claimed, then they should have let Naruto be with who he wanted to be with and not what Hinata wanted.

After all, Naruto is the main character, right? *waits for people to mention the Sasuke MC*

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 December 2018 - 07:33 AM.

[DrK]

If they truly loved the series and loved Naruto as much as they claimed, then they should have let Naruto be with who he wanted to be with and not what Hinata wanted.

 

They didn't love Naruto. They didn't give a kitten about him or what he wanted beyond inserting themselves.

[dl316bh]

I didn't want to have to, but since it seems like others aren't going to let sleeping dogs lie after some attempts by yet others to get it back on track, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it to anyone else who wants to actually try and get me to engage on this. I've got a standing "kiss my ass" policy on The Last Jedi, my feelings about it and anyone who doesn't like what I've got to say about "anti-feminists" or whatever kitten they get their drawers in a bunch over. You want to engage in conversation about the stupidity of plot points, go ahead, I'll be happy to have a civil conversation. But I've got no time for the rest and if you want to try, I'm just going to make dismissive wanking motions at you and mock you. Probably just put you on ignore if I feel my eyes hurting from rolling them too much.

 

Whatever you are saying with everything you just said is counter intuitive to your original thot, white knight.

 

Oh man, haha, you want to go there?

 

That's hilarious coming from you and half the statements you've made across this forum, not just now but from how I remember you from the old days. I think you might be the person I see try and play this whole series off as if it were a romance manga with the hilarious stupidity of the end pairings being why it sucked - yeah, I'm sure NaruSaku would have fixed the derailing train that was the plot - the most of anyone while also acknowledging it's actually an action comic that probably had more issues than that. So don't come to me about counter statements, Jamesy. Just move along with your day constantly whining about how Naruto's actually a romance manga somehow. Or whining in general. You'll be a lot happier.

Edited by dl316bh, 17 December 2018 - 06:07 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

The original Broly movie was one of the most popular and well received Dragon Ball movie. Which most peoples' main complaint was Broly's weak backstory. If they fixed that; then the main problem is solved. Add in finally having the canonical story of the sayjin and of course it going to go be well received and do well in the box office. Especially compared to the chunin exam again with a spoiled brat that's main selling point is one good fight, and SNS.

 

From what I read on spoilers, they did vastly improve Broly's backstory (I will tell you that he doesn't even know Goku at first, much less the whole "I hate Kakarotto so much because I somehow remember being driven insane by his constant crying" schtick) and, despite further retcons also improves on the Saiyajin history, and including bits from the Dragon Ball Minus manga like Goku's mother, Gine (and eliminating the Bardock films from canon; none of that "see the future" stuff).

They even change Broly's transformation to being a "Wrathful" mode, which is something he himself has (losing control to his power basically), and his SSj form is otherwise just a "normal" one like Goku, Vegeta, and others have and so returning the "legendary" status to SSj as a whole rather than making Broly's "special".
 

 

But they pick and choose because they don't see everything like that. Jyn Erso was a well written character. I think you have it backwards. It's usually the "sjw" types that kitten and moan if a female character shows any sign of weakness. Usually using the phrase "strong independent woman" and if that woman character has even an ounce of sexuality, there are accusations of objectification and sexism thrown around.

 

Most of the people who bash feminism now a days is because they were bashed first. I'm totally for equal rights, but hate this current incarnation of feminism. They treat men like kitten, A large number of male feminist allies are rapists and pedophiles (South Park was right. It's all about crushing puss), and they don't want equal rights. They want special treatment, but disguise it as equal treatment. You are being disingenuous that just because a movie has a female lead means people will hate it and call it SJW. They hate it when the movie gets promoted and we are told that the only reason it's being made is because 'muh feminism" like that crappy Ghostbusters movie. If you are talking about the WW movie, it got pretty much universal positive praise. If you are talking about when WW first appeared in the comics, well parents didn't like her because she actually had connections to BDSM originally because of her creator. Again, you are being disingenuous. LJ got hate for it being bad, but it also had Rey one of the most boring leads I've seen in a movie in a long time. People were mad about She-Ra because they are turning into typical modern day progressive animated schlock.

 

And the reason I'm talking this way is because I'm tired of all these political ideologues coming into nerd culture and destroying IP after IP all for the sake of them pushing some sort of agenda. Oh and if you are wondering, I'm center left. 

Eh, virtually everything I talk to who watch Rogue One without nostalgia goggles largely agree that the characters were the weakest part, including Jyn - favorites are almost always K-2SO and Chirrut Imwe and/or Baze (more for his weapon and final sendout) while the rest are seen as boring. Not "bad", just boring.

And, sorry to bring it back up, while there's no doubt that there are feminazis in the minority who want to reverse the status quo (usually infiltrating various groups), a majority of people I've spoken to who support equal rights for females simply want just that -  equal rights. It's easy to try to claim "equal rights" as "special treatment" if you most likely have never had to deal with the issues the (legitimate) groups are addressing and so don't see them as a big deal.

[dl316bh]

From what I read on spoilers, they did vastly improve Broly's backstory (I will tell you that he doesn't even know Goku at first, much less the whole "I hate Kakarotto so much because I somehow remember being driven insane by his constant crying" schtick) and, despite further retcons also improves on the Saiyajin history, and including bits from the Dragon Ball Minus manga like Goku's mother, Gine (and eliminating the Bardock films from canon; none of that "see the future" stuff).

They even change Broly's transformation to being a "Wrathful" mode, which is something he himself has (losing control to his power basically), and his SSj form is otherwise just a "normal" one like Goku, Vegeta, and others have and so returning the "legendary" status to SSj as a whole rather than making Broly's "special".

 

I haven't watched any of the Broly's past the first one. Heard they were crap. I thought he was killed though. Do they explain that or are they just going with the whole "loose canon" thing with the movies so no one worries about it? I remember most of the original DBZ films past the first couple didn't put a ton of effort into getting them to line up well so they just seemed like an alternate universe story, kind of.

 

Eh, virtually everything I talk to who watch Rogue One without nostalgia goggles largely agree that the characters were the weakest part, including Jyn - favorites are almost always K-2SO and Chirrut Imwe and/or Baze (more for his weapon and final sendout) while the rest are seen as boring. Not "bad", just boring.

 

"Bland" seemed to be the word of the day with it. Like I mentioned earlier, it seemed to be forgotten pretty quickly. I think it's status as explaining something from the original movie didn't help. It was kind of expanding on one or two lines from the original film. That's a bit of a hard sell. All anyone seemed to want to talk about in the aftermath was Vader, then it just kind of went quiet. Which is, in my experience, strange for a Star Wars film. Say what you want about Last Jedi, but people were talking about it, at least.

 

And, sorry to bring it back up, while there's no doubt that there are feminazis in the minority who want to reverse the status quo (usually infiltrating various groups), a majority of people I've spoken to who support equal rights for females simply want just that -  equal rights. It's easy to try to claim "equal rights" as "special treatment" if you most likely have never had to deal with the issues the (legitimate) groups are addressing and so don't see them as a big deal.

 

I agree with you a hundred percent, but I'd say it's best to just let it go, man.

Edited by dl316bh, 17 December 2018 - 06:20 PM.

[Cloud]

I didn't want to have to, but since it seems like others aren't going to let sleeping dogs lie after some attempts by yet others to get it back on track, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it to anyone else who wants to actually try and get me to engage on this. I've got a standing "kiss my ass" policy on The Last Jedi, my feelings about it and anyone who doesn't like what I've got to say about "anti-feminists" or whatever kitten they get their drawers in a bunch over. You want to engage in conversation about the stupidity of plot points, go ahead, I'll be happy to have a civil conversation. But I've got no time for the rest and if you want to try, I'm just going to make dismissive wanking motions at you and mock you. Probably just put you on ignore if I feel my eyes hurting from rolling them too much.

 

 

Oh man, haha, you want to go there?

 

That's hilarious coming from you and half the statements you've made across this forum, not just now but from how I remember you from the old days. I think you might be the person I see try and play this whole series off as if it were a romance manga with the hilarious stupidity of the end pairings being why it sucked - yeah, I'm sure NaruSaku would have fixed the derailing train that was the plot - the most of anyone while also acknowledging it's actually an action comic that probably had more issues than that. So don't come to me about counter statements, Jamesy. Just move along with your day constantly whining about how Naruto's actually a romance manga somehow. Or whining in general. You'll be a lot happier.

 

Oh man. I just came back and stumbled across this gem of a response.

 

I have nothing else to add, however unhappy I was at the last part of the series, I still finished it. Just glad at least he had one goal come true.

 

But everything else honestly irritated me. But whatever.

 

 

[dl316bh]

 

 

 

Edited by dl316bh, 17 December 2018 - 07:22 PM.

[ultranx]

 

I haven't watched any of the Broly's past the first one. Heard they were crap. I thought he was killed though. Do they explain that or are they just going with the whole "loose canon" thing with the movies so no one worries about it? I remember most of the original DBZ films past the first couple didn't put a ton of effort into getting them to line up well so they just seemed like an alternate universe story, kind of.

 

 

"Bland" seemed to be the word of the day with it. Like I mentioned earlier, it seemed to be forgotten pretty quickly. I think it's status as explaining something from the original movie didn't help. It was kind of expanding on one or two lines from the original film. That's a bit of a hard sell. All anyone seemed to want to talk about in the aftermath was Vader, then it just kind of went quiet. Which is, in my experience, strange for a Star Wars film. Say what you want about Last Jedi, but people were talking about it, at least.

 

 

I agree with you a hundred percent, but I'd say it's best to just let it go, man.

goku didn't really kill broly in the first movie, somehow broly survived and the 2nd film shows him escaping the planet in a pod and crashing in a snowy area on earth and becoming frozen in a glacier, then years later goten and trunks go to a village near it in search of a dragon ball, broly awakens, beats the crap out of them and super saiyan gohan, shenron makes goku appear from otherworld temporarily and goku, gohan, and goten use a triple father son kamehameha on broly sending him into the sun, killing him for good. third movie is not really broly but some bio creature made with his dna.