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[Rozette]

This, coupled with the interview posted on saiyanisland where he speaks with his editor, proves one thing: yes, NS was planned, and his editors more than likely changed his mind.

 

I mean, just listen to this quote...
Kishimoto: "When you get together with other manga artists you hear stuff like 'You shouldn't just accept everything your editor says, right?' And I'd be like 'That's true,' but the other artist would say, 'But you do everything he says!' It's true... [laughs]"

 

There's only one thing left I have to say now- Kishimoto, you are a terrible man for sending this message to your readers. For telling all of the innocent children around the world who look to your manga as an example and inspiration that this dynamic between Sasuke and Sakura, among all of the other awful things that happened in the ending of your story, is acceptable, and anything otherwise makes you a terrible person. Whatever happened to being able to change your destiny, to be free? Not only are you a hypocrite, but your main character turned out to be one as well. What a joke this whole thing turned out to be.

[deviouslyChaotic]

Money is my guess. The whole "Find someone like your Mother" thing has to be there to sell the RtN movie. I see no other reason for it to exist.

But the movie came out before the parallel was confirmed, right? So what was the point of confirming it to sell the movie when the movie had already had its run in the theater and at the box office?

 

Dario, on 20 Nov 2014 - 2:09 PM, said:

He repeatedly said he was dead last in school and recently admitted he sucked at interpreting characters feelings in literature classes. The guy is an idiot, but he also has some very unsettling ideas that are reflected in his manga.

That explains a lot.

Edited by deviouslyChaotic, 20 November 2014 - 09:35 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This, coupled with the interview posted on saiyanisland where he speaks with his editor, proves one thing: yes, NS was planned, and his editors more than likely changed his mind.
 
I mean, just listen to this quote...
Kishimoto: "When you get together with other manga artists you hear stuff like 'You shouldn't just accept everything your editor says, right?' And I'd be like 'That's true,' but the other artist would say, 'But you do everything he says!' It's true... [laughs]"
 
There's only one thing left I have to say now- Kishimoto, you are a terrible man for sending this message to your readers. For telling all of the innocent children around the world who look to your manga as an example and inspiration that this dynamic between Sasuke and Sakura, among all of the other awful things that happened in the ending of your story, is acceptable, and anything otherwise makes you a terrible person. Whatever happened to being able to change your destiny, to be free? Not only are you a hypocrite, but your main character turned out to be one as well. What a joke this whole thing turned out to be.

He said that? Where?

[Rozette]

He said that? Where?

 

http://www.saiyanisl...ounding-editor/

 

It's a long interview, but it's there. 

Edited by Rozette, 20 November 2014 - 09:35 PM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

The amount of people on tumblr DEFENDING Kishimoto over this and trying to justify his comment (and the ending) is disgusting. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
http://www.saiyanisl...ounding-editor/
 
It's a long interview, but it's there. 

Thanks. I guess it was always never truly his.

[Verilance]

my contempt for Kishimoto as a writer just grows which is sad because until the final chapters I would have said Naruto was a really great manga...

 

but he just spit on the ending

[alexander]

The amount of people on tumblr DEFENDING Kishimoto over this and trying to justify his comment (and the ending) is disgusting. 

 

And I wouldn't be surprised if half of these people are these so called SJW that jump at every righteous cause they can find, only to conveniently ignore others when it's convenient.  Woman rights this, sexism that, but then if someone they care about does these kind of things they totally turn an blind eye to it. Ugh, hypocrites.

[nikki1314]

ugh .. im sorry kishi.. all the respect ive had for you over 10 years , is going under the bus in a span of 3 weeks..

what a kitten mangaka...

[Atheck]

The amount of people on tumblr DEFENDING Kishimoto over this and trying to justify his comment (and the ending) is disgusting. 

 

I would like to know how many of these people who are playing damage control weren't already deeply embedded in the shipping wars before this ending. Do the factionally neutral readers agree that Kishi's words are the reflection of a skilled writer? 

Edited by Atheck, 20 November 2014 - 09:50 PM.

[Iwantbuns]

Sakura can't move on from Sasuke?

 

Then WHY the hell would you develop her feelings?

 

[Dario]

The amount of people on tumblr DEFENDING Kishimoto over this and trying to justify his comment (and the ending) is disgusting. 

Let me guess... SS fans arguing we're the misogynists?

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

I would like to know how many of these people who are playing damage control weren't already deeply embedded in the shipping wars before this ending. Do the factionally neutral readers agree that Kishi's words are the reflection of a skilled writer? 

It's hard to determine who is truly neutral on tumblr since tumblr is mainly composed of shippers to begin with. Finding an objective person on tumblr who is able to analyze a story while disregarding ships and initial bias is hard to come by. Nevertheless, the few posts I've seen from people who claimed to be neutral have expressed disgust and distaste over the ending AND the comment. Logically, the ones defending him appear to be mostly SasuSaku fans. I even saw some NaruHina fans expressing dismay and utter disgust over the comment. Regardless, the ones defending him are, predictably enough, NH and SS fans only--which seem to be huge fan bases on tumblr to begin with.

Edited by deviouslyChaotic, 20 November 2014 - 09:58 PM.

[Pix]

 

Same here. I shudder to title myself with "feminist" due to its ever growing extremism, but hell if this doesn't make me scream sexism. Not to mention Hypocrisy. Its just icky. 

Exactly. This isn't even a feminist issue. This is a basic human rights issue (which ties in to feminism regardless). Like, he basically just stated that it's okay to stay loyal to your abuser. Couldn't care less if Sakura was male or female, that's just horrible.... 

 

I think I'm done. I can't deal with this anymore...

[Atheck]

It's hard to determine who is truly neutral on tumblr since tumblr is mainly composed of shippers to begin with. Finding an objective person on tumblr who is able to analyze a story while disregarding ships and initial bias is hard to come by. Nevertheless, the few posts I've seen from people who claimed to be neutral have expressed disgust and distaste over the ending AND the comment. Logically, the ones defending him appear to be mostly SasuSaku fans. I even saw some NaruHina fans expressing dismay and utter disgust over the comment. Regardless, the ones defending him are, predictably enough, NH and SS fans only--which seem to be huge fan bases on tumblr to begin with.

 

So basically take everything from tumblr with a grain of salt because the population of Naruto fans have, by and large, chosen a side in this ongoing bloodbath between pairing factions? 

 

It is nice to hear that some members of the opposing fandoms are able to look beyond the glamour of their OTP's canonisation beneath the surface at the true ugliness of Kishi's words. The likelihood of any SS or NH fan getting up in arms over Kishi's backtracking is almost zero, however. The most we can hope for is a greater uproar from the groups who are able to, as you said, thoroughly and impartially analyse the manga, including the dynamics of the relationships between Naruto and Sakura and with the two other characters as well. 

[MangaReader]

At least he admitted he was initially gonna go with Sakura... but 662-3 looks like a huge tease if this was decided after RTN. "A while ago" makes me think it was a very last minute change 

[Narufan85]

NH and SS fans are too deep in defending their bogus ships. That is the only explanation I can understand. How else could you defend Kishi's comments about Sakura. This is not Sakura bopping Naruto on the head, a comment anime trope, this is legitimate abuse and attempted murder. Yet to move on would make Sakura terrible?

[narusakuotp]

This interview...honestly, this is disgusting. Sakura would be a terrible woman if she got over a guy who was never interested in her and tried to kill her many times? Yet Naruto, a man, can get over Sakura and go for Hinata, and Sasuke has to magically get feelings for her to justify her role as "heroine" (heroine in this manga means pathetic fangirl) or else she will look like a waste? That's it, trollmoto is now sexist pigmoto. I will be changing my sig and avatar shortly to fit my anger towards him...and to make you guys laugh with new jokes of course.

[MangaReader]

NH and SS fans are too deep in defending their bogus ships. That is the only explanation I can understand. How else could you defend Kishi's comments about Sakura. This is not Sakura bopping Naruto on the head, a comment anime trope, this is legitimate abuse and attempted murder. Yet to move on would make Sakura terrible?

The fact that they still have to go on the defensive speaks volumes if you think about it

[tricksie]

I still think Kishi is just sexist/mysoginitic. This goes way back with Kurenai "Stay alive to have babies, after all, this is all you Kunoichi are worth for". He has no respect for woman, all their life efforts are crushed so they can be mothers and house wifes. No works and ambitions of their own. I think any woman with any amount of self respect would feel insulted by all of this. Of course is alright for Sakura to move on from Sasuke, she deserved someone better. I guess Kishi never really cared.

 

Oooo, I completely forgot about that line. That was really cringeworthy too. But I gave him a pass, thinking it was a one-time thing, clumsy translation, etc. Boy was a wrong.

 

@ Miss Soupy

 

I'm out of like, I wish I could have 10000 like to give you right now because this is exactly what I think about all of this.

 

I think the only reward Naruto gets is being hokage but even that, it doesn't hold the same meaning as before, it's just a title now, it doesn't seem hold any meaning anymore, at least not the same as when sandaime was there ( or any other kage TBH).

 

As for Sakura, there is no word to describe how much he destroyed her.

 

I'm still mad but I know that some point I'll probably laugh about the situation because this is the worst thing I've ever read.

 

In complete agreement!! I'm out of likes for both of you!!