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[rocci]

Madara has healing factor thanks to hashirama and that's why he can plug in his eye easily. again ninja magic

I think the biggest sin kishi did with madara is how he can't write to defeat him when author like kubo could do that with aizen.

[Phantom_999]

Well even disregarding that.How did Madara acivate Susanoo without any eyes when Susanoo is a MS specific ability? So let's face it Kishimoto doesn't know how to defeat Madara because "he doesn't know what he is doing". He's forgetting the "rules" of his own universe

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 December 2017 - 03:02 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

Right before the year ends, Renew your Vows makes it's way and you know what that means... more awesome stuff compare toward well that thing lol

 

Not gonna lie this issue was a little hard to find something to compare mainly cause I feel i covered some of it before, but after reading a few times I've locked on what particular segment that just stuck out so here it is: 

 

 

So in terms of the original source material, not the anime,  we have this scene from Naruto Gaiden: 

 

 

 

 

which okay Sakura doing some cool action is nice, but what is followed after this? 

 

 

 

 

Sakura being on the sidelines because "HER MAN" finally showed up... and that's it... I'm sorry that is piss poor and down right sh it in terms of treating your main female protagonist, and if anything it just adds more fuel to the haters showing why Sakura sucks.  Also you have Sarada still feeling skeptical which rightfully so, but still.  Let's not forget that Naruto and Sasuke completely steal the spotlight from this point forward. 

 

 

 

Anyway now let's take a look at the latest issue of Renew Yours Vows with MJ: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here we have MJ putting in work against The Lizard as Peter and Annie show up to the fight to help out, and unlike Naruto Gaiden where Sakura and Sarada literally do nothing in the fight against Shin,  we have Peter, MJ, and Annie working together in stopping The Lizard. Do we see Hinata and Himawari helping out Naruto and Boruto in the fight against the Ootsutski? No!  do we see Sakura and Sarada taking part in the fight against the Ootsutskis in Boruto The movie No? why because (Insert excuse here) Naruto and Sasuke have to be the only ones to capable to defeat them with Boruto as support. I means seriously it's just so sad, and I forgot to mention Renew Your Vows is being written by a different writer starting from the previous issue.  Also,  Do we see Sarada complimenting her mom on fighting Shin? no because I don't know it wasn't really important cause female characters I guess?  Whereas with Annie we see her even as a teenager complimenting her mom on what she was able to do. That's pretty much all I got in terms of comparison between Spider-Man Renew Your Vows and Naruto Gaiden/Boruto Series.  

[rocci]

Well even disregarding that.How did Madara acivate Susanoo without any eyes when Susanoo is a MS specific ability? So let's face it Kishimoto doesn't know how to defeat Madara because "he doesn't know what he is doing". He's forgetting the "rules" of his own universe

With explanation it will more acceptable. But since kishi explain nothing, it is bs asspull.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Right before the year ends, Renew your Vows makes it's way and you know what that means... more awesome stuff compare toward well that thing lol
 
Not gonna lie this issue was a little hard to find something to compare mainly cause I feel i covered some of it before, but after reading a few times I've locked on what particular segment that just stuck out so here it is: 
 
 
So in terms of the original source material, not the anime,  we have this scene from Naruto Gaiden: 
 
 

 
 
which okay Sakura doing some cool action is nice, but what is followed after this? 
 

 
 
 
Sakura being on the sidelines because "HER MAN" finally showed up... and that's it... I'm sorry that is piss poor and down right sh it in terms of treating your main female protagonist, and if anything it just adds more fuel to the haters showing why Sakura sucks.  Also you have Sarada still feeling skeptical which rightfully so, but still.  Let's not forget that Naruto and Sasuke completely steal the spotlight from this point forward. 
 
 
 
Anyway now let's take a look at the latest issue of Renew Yours Vows with MJ: 
 
 

 
 

 

 
 

 
 
Here we have MJ putting in work against The Lizard as Peter and Annie show up to the fight to help out, and unlike Naruto Gaiden where Sakura and Sarada literally do nothing in the fight against Shin,  we have Peter, MJ, and Annie working together in stopping The Lizard. Do we see Hinata and Himawari helping out Naruto and Boruto in the fight against the Ootsutski? No!  do we see Sakura and Sarada taking part in the fight against the Ootsutskis in Boruto The movie No? why because (Insert excuse here) Naruto and Sasuke have to be the only ones to capable to defeat them with Boruto as support. I means seriously it's just so sad, and I forgot to mention Renew Your Vows is being written by a different writer starting from the previous issue.  Also,  Do we see Sarada complimenting her mom on fighting Shin? no because I don't know it wasn't really important cause female characters I guess?  Whereas with Annie we see her even as a teenager complimenting her mom on what she was able to do. That's pretty much all I got in terms of comparison between Spider-Man Renew Your Vows and Naruto Gaiden/Boruto Series.  

Darling, though? Really? What the kitten? Definitely out of character for her to say.

[Shashank95]

Well even disregarding that.How did Madara acivate Susanoo without any eyes when Susanoo is a MS specific ability? So let's face it Kishimoto doesn't know how to defeat Madara because "he doesn't know what he is doing". He's forgetting the "rules" of his own universe

Everytime we see Kishi break continuity by forgetting his own writing, I'm reminded of this:

Sanderson's first law:
 

An author's ability to solve conflict with magic is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to how well the reader understands said magic.

 

If characters (especially viewpoint characters) solve a problem by use of magic, the reader should be made to understand how that magic works. Otherwise, the magic can constitute a deus ex machina.

Ideally, the magic is explained to the reader before it is used to resolve a conflict. Much like a sword or a large sum of money, magic is a useful tool. Understanding the tools available to a character helps the reader understand the character's actions. It avoids questions like, "Where did he get that?" or "How did he do that?"

"Mysterious magic" (or "soft magic"), which has no clearly defined rules, should, in genre fantasy, not solve problems, although it may create them. Soft magic in genre fantasy is usually used to create a sense of awe and wonder, and the workings of it aren't known to the reader and most characters. Brandon has said that J.R.R. Tolkien and George R.R Martin's use of magic is a good example of a soft magic system.

"Hard magic" on the other hand has rules explicitly described by the author, meaning that the reader can understand the magic so that solving problems with it doesn't seem to "mystically make everything better". Instead, it's the characters' wit and experience that solves the problems. This makes magic a tool which can be used to solve problems and enhance the story. L.E. Modesitt Jr. and Melanie Rawn, according to Brandon, write in this way.

The middle ground is a situation where the reader knows some of the limits and possibilities of the magic but doesn't understand its workings. Brandon has cited the magic in J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series as a great example.

 

Sanderson's second law:

 

Limitations > Power

The limitations of a magic system are more interesting than its capabilities. What the magic can't do is more interesting than what it can.

Great limitations on magic systems will do many things, they will for example create struggle. It'll make characters work for their goals and if the magic system is limited it’ll make the writer and the character have to be more clever. Sanderson offers his own Allomantic Steel and Iron as examples of this: They allow you telekinesis with a few limitations, the characters can only push or pull directly away or toward themselves and the objects must be made of metal. This forces characters to work harder and encourages better writing.

An excellent magic system will also create tension, as the outcome is not obvious and makes the whole scene appear more dramatic. For example: Superman fighting an enemy is not very tense. But Superman fighting an enemy with Kryptonite is a lot more tense.

It can also create depth in the characters and the system alike. For example: A character whose power is flight. But impose a limitation where she can only fly when she is happy. Her mood and ability to fly are both now directly tied into the plot.

Limitations on what the magic can do can be simple - can't use when too tired, can only be used in the sunlight- but more complex ones are more interesting. Sanderson gives us an example "Will and the Word". A nearly limitless magic with nigh infinite power. You can make just about anything but cannot unmake or destroy. This limitation shapes the magic as a whole and tells the reader something of the magic's very nature.

 

Weaknesses and costs

 

Weaknesses and costs alike make a magic system more interesting. Weaknesses are generally harder to keep sensible and the kryptonite example has become a staple of easy storytelling. Brandon encourages writers to make up more interesting weaknesses than "Lose powers if x". Costs on the other hand are a great way of limiting a character and the use of the magic. In the Wheel of Time series the cost is that the users of the magic will slowly go insane, in The Stormlight Archive it's the stormlight and in Mistborn it's the metals.

 

Sanderson's third law:

 

 

Expand on what you have already, before you add something new.

"A brilliant magic system for a book is less often one with a thousand different powers and abilities -- and is more often a magic system with relatively few powers that the author has considered in depth."

 

Extrapolation

 

It is important to consider the effects that a magic will have on a world. If for example your magic can create food out of thin air, what will that cause, what will happen? How will it affect trade, politics, warfare, education and social norms? Asking these questions and working out what effects your magic system would have will add depth to your world.

 

Interconnection

 

Another important point is to interconnect. Try to make the powers a character has seem like a coherent whole rather than separate abilities. In Mistborn, for example, magics were designed to be what thieves would want and then the powers named accordingly. Tying your powers together thematically is an important part of worldbuilding and expands the world, rather than adding to it.

 

 

Streamlining

 

Streamlining is also important in any magic system. Combining pre-existing magics and powers is often better than adding new ones. A different culture reacting to a magic entirely differently than what has been shown so far, is often better than a culture with its own unrelated magic system. For example: a simple heat-generating magic may be used by different cultures in very different ways. A warlike culture might use it for assault or for forging weapons, a peaceful one for heating and preparing food, for merchants for making products, nomads for powering transportation and so on.

Remember, however, not to streamline too far as that will make the single culture or character seem too packed and might decrease their plausibility.

 

If Kishi had known of these tips given by Brandon Sanderson, I think the story as a whole would have been better.

   

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Right before the year ends, Renew your Vows makes it's way and you know what that means... more awesome stuff compare toward well that thing lol
 
Not gonna lie this issue was a little hard to find something to compare mainly cause I feel i covered some of it before, but after reading a few times I've locked on what particular segment that just stuck out so here it is: 
 
 
So in terms of the original source material, not the anime,  we have this scene from Naruto Gaiden: 
 
 

 
 
which okay Sakura doing some cool action is nice, but what is followed after this? 
 

 
 
 
Sakura being on the sidelines because "HER MAN" finally showed up... and that's it... I'm sorry that is piss poor and down right sh it in terms of treating your main female protagonist, and if anything it just adds more fuel to the haters showing why Sakura sucks.  Also you have Sarada still feeling skeptical which rightfully so, but still.  Let's not forget that Naruto and Sasuke completely steal the spotlight from this point forward. 
 
 
 
Anyway now let's take a look at the latest issue of Renew Yours Vows with MJ: 
 
 

 
 

 

 
 

 
 
Here we have MJ putting in work against The Lizard as Peter and Annie show up to the fight to help out, and unlike Naruto Gaiden where Sakura and Sarada literally do nothing in the fight against Shin,  we have Peter, MJ, and Annie working together in stopping The Lizard. Do we see Hinata and Himawari helping out Naruto and Boruto in the fight against the Ootsutski? No!  do we see Sakura and Sarada taking part in the fight against the Ootsutskis in Boruto The movie No? why because (Insert excuse here) Naruto and Sasuke have to be the only ones to capable to defeat them with Boruto as support. I means seriously it's just so sad, and I forgot to mention Renew Your Vows is being written by a different writer starting from the previous issue.  Also,  Do we see Sarada complimenting her mom on fighting Shin? no because I don't know it wasn't really important cause female characters I guess?  Whereas with Annie we see her even as a teenager complimenting her mom on what she was able to do. That's pretty much all I got in terms of comparison between Spider-Man Renew Your Vows and Naruto Gaiden/Boruto Series.

I actually kinda dislike renew your vows. Don't get me wrong, I like MJ/Peter but I hate the execution in RYV.

[Phantom_999]

With explanation it will more acceptable. But since kishi explain nothing, it is bs asspull.

 

Well THAT IS THE PROBLEM is it not? just because anything IS potentially explainable does not mean that excuses can be made for it left, right, and centre.

 

that was not explained. Ergo, BS and DO YOU see Kishimoto explaining anything here? 

Edited by Phantom_999, 20 January 2018 - 10:28 PM.

[rocci]

 
Tell THAT IS THE PROBLEM is it not? just because anything IS potentially explainable does not mean that excuses can be made for it left, right, and centre.
 
that was not explained. Ergo, BS and DO YOU see Kishimoto explaining anything here? 

I don't get it.

I think I just tell you that madara eyeless susanoo is bs asspull since he doesn't explain it. You may not like it but at least it's better written if it's get explenation. Oh and the explenation should not create plot hole.

[Shashank95]

Happy New year everyone!

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Right before the year ends, Renew your Vows makes it's way and you know what that means... more awesome stuff compare toward well that thing lol

 

Not gonna lie this issue was a little hard to find something to compare mainly cause I feel i covered some of it before, but after reading a few times I've locked on what particular segment that just stuck out so here it is: 

 

 

So in terms of the original source material, not the anime,  we have this scene from Naruto Gaiden: 

 

 

 

 

which okay Sakura doing some cool action is nice, but what is followed after this? 

 

 

 

 

Sakura being on the sidelines because "HER MAN" finally showed up... and that's it... I'm sorry that is piss poor and down right sh it in terms of treating your main female protagonist, and if anything it just adds more fuel to the haters showing why Sakura sucks.  Also you have Sarada still feeling skeptical which rightfully so, but still.  Let's not forget that Naruto and Sasuke completely steal the spotlight from this point forward. 

 

 

 

Anyway now let's take a look at the latest issue of Renew Yours Vows with MJ: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here we have MJ putting in work against The Lizard as Peter and Annie show up to the fight to help out, and unlike Naruto Gaiden where Sakura and Sarada literally do nothing in the fight against Shin,  we have Peter, MJ, and Annie working together in stopping The Lizard. Do we see Hinata and Himawari helping out Naruto and Boruto in the fight against the Ootsutski? No!  do we see Sakura and Sarada taking part in the fight against the Ootsutskis in Boruto The movie No? why because (Insert excuse here) Naruto and Sasuke have to be the only ones to capable to defeat them with Boruto as support. I means seriously it's just so sad, and I forgot to mention Renew Your Vows is being written by a different writer starting from the previous issue.  Also,  Do we see Sarada complimenting her mom on fighting Shin? no because I don't know it wasn't really important cause female characters I guess?  Whereas with Annie we see her even as a teenager complimenting her mom on what she was able to do. That's pretty much all I got in terms of comparison between Spider-Man Renew Your Vows and Naruto Gaiden/Boruto Series.  

 

Yeah, I love the concept in Renew Your Vows of MJ and Annie as Spinneret and Spiderling helping Peter dealing with his bad guys and others. :) And it also shows that the person who picked up writing duties for Renew Your Vows after Gerry Conway knew what they were doing to keep up the fact that this isn't just about Peter and Mary Jane's marriage, it's about them with Annie as a family working together with great power and great responsibility. :) 

[James S Cassidy]

Well even disregarding that.How did Madara acivate Susanoo without any eyes when Susanoo is a MS specific ability? So let's face it Kishimoto doesn't know how to defeat Madara because "he doesn't know what he is doing". He's forgetting the "rules" of his own universe

It is even more complicated than that. Both Itachi and Madara explain that all jutsu have some kind of backdoor or some kind of loophole to abuse it. Now this is fine, it actually shows how intelligent these guys are and how much study they did of jutsu. However, we never get explainations for most of these loopholes and actually at times found Madara breaking rules to create a loophole that he himself said "it has to be like this..."

I remember Madara specifically saying "You need both eyes to summon a perfect susanoo." Not but a couple of pages later, he summons his perfect susanoo without any eyes to break out of a jutsu that is supposed to seal him. How? We are never told.

Some fans have come up with explanations that might explain it, but the fact that fans had to make it and not the writer himself is sad.
 

[StrikerTheNoble]

On the off chance this is an original observation (doubt it really)...

Why does NaruHina have all the makings of one of those naruto part one movies where he has a weird romance thing going with a princes/rich girl and then she dies and its never mentioned again. Its weird how interchangeable it actually is if you think about it.

[winter-serenade]

On the off chance this is an original observation (doubt it really)...

Why does NaruHina have all the makings of one of those naruto part one movies where he has a weird romance thing going with a princes/rich girl and then she dies and its never mentioned again. Its weird how interchangeable it actually is if you think about it.

 

In retrospect, Hinata's design in The Last is kind of a rip off of Shion from the first Shippudden movie. I mean, they look a bit similar in some aspects. Maybe it's just me.

 

 

Make her hair borderline black and lighter eyes, and there you go.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

In retrospect, Hinata's design in The Last is kind of a rip off of Shion from the first Shippudden movie. I mean, they look a bit similar in some aspects. Maybe it's just me.

 

 

Make her hair borderline black and lighter eyes, and there you go.

 

No, no, no... I see it too

[LuckyChi7]

I'll be honest I would've much rather shion to have been the one who ends up with Naruto, if I knew NaruSaku wasn't going to happen.

[DrK]

I'll be honest I would've much rather shion to have been the one who ends up with Naruto, if I knew NaruSaku wasn't going to happen.

I can think of a million crack pairings that would be better. Shion at least acts like she has a spinal cord. The only way for someone to be worse for Naruto than Hinata is if you had a character with a personality like Hinata's, but they're not Hinata so they don't have the small amount of development that Hinata at least had towards Naruto.

 

Like imagine if Naruto somehow ended up with Ino. That would have been a blessing from the gods compared to what we got.

[BlueStarSaber]

I'll be honest I would've much rather shion to have been the one who ends up with Naruto, if I knew NaruSaku wasn't going to happen.

Honestly naruino and leesaku would of been my alternatives to narusaku if wasn't supposed going to be canon at least in is a lot of fun and Lee had development with sakura

[Kasimir38]

Oh I love SakuLee.

Sakura is considered shallow and only caring for looks, and pairring up with Lee would be like: Well...LOOK AT THAT, HATERS. She IS also able to look inside a persons heart and they also have that weird chemistry I don't know...

 

I always liked Shion. She is just so pretty, and she and Naruto had more moments than Hinata and Naruto ever before. No hate, but you could easily ship them if she wasn't just movie - material.

[FireFox]

If we are talking about movies then I'll rather have Naruto end with Sara from the Lost Tower movie, she totally has that Kushina/Sakura vibe, it so much better then the sh!it we got and to top it all off it even had a better development in that short amount of time then NH/SS ever had now that's ironic.