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#1 Strangelove

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 08:22 PM

My theory lies between the pages, with anecdotes.

In chapter 462 of the manga, we realize that the S6P had 2 sons, one who possessed the "eyes" and the other one who possessed the "body"

Recently we learned that the S6P split his chakra into two forms to create the two. In a full form you get the full power of the eyes, and the full power of the body.

If you turn back 100s of chapters, you will remember it is possible to transfer power from one vessel to another. The vessel being the body. Such a case. Itachi to Naruto. We don't know what exactly he gave Naruto, but it was definitely a form of "power" he doesn't even know about.

What if it works like this:

Uchiha gives power to Senju: Rinnegan

Senju gives power to Uchiha: Full Izanagi

Rinnegan + Izanagi: Sage of the Six Paths.

Orochimaru might have also known about it. He wanted the 1st Hokage's DNA and Sasuke's power for something more than some sick experiment.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:13 PM

It's a nice theory but isn't Izanagi a sharingan ability or can it be used through the rinneagan as well?

Edited by Dreamer, 24 October 2010 - 11:21 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:13 PM

I have a theory that blows all others out of the water:

Kishimoto be runnin' out of ideas, so he's just BSing at this point.


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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE (Dreamer @ Oct 24 2010, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's a nice theory but isn't Izanagi a sharingan ability or can it be used through the rinneagan as well?



Yeah, but the eyes close shut forever. What's an Uchiha without eyes?

Madara claims that as soon as he got the 1st Hokage's "power" he was able to use a full Izanagi. I just don't see Nagato's parents putting Nagato through some sort of surgery by some weirdo. If it was so, he wouldn't have given Nagato back to his parents.


That or Kishi has lost his mind, in which case forget about NaruSaku, cause we ain't getting any.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 12:45 AM

Or it could have been a figure of speech, If you look at the location of Whirlpool, you'll see that it's between Mist and leaf, and we know Madara was controlling the Fourth Mizukage who in could have given the order to destroy Whirlpool, Now my personal beleif is anyone who has the DNA of the orginal Sage of the sixth path has the potential to awaken the Rinnigan. As long as you meet certain criteria.s And the Uzumaki's were the most likely as they unlike the other three clans did not have any bloodline limit as such. And like the Sharingan it needs certain beleifs or/and triggers to awaken. (Or maybe you need the DNA of both the Senju and Uchiha, we know Uzumaki is related to the Senju and looking at Negato's father he could pass for a Uchiha, so Negato was merging of body and power)

So it's possible that Madara found Negato in Rain Country and set the pieces in place to allow him to unlock the Rinnigan, the Jounin that killed his parents could have been under a Genjutsu when they went to Negato's house? Maybe he'd again used his Sharingan to get Hanzou to work with Danzou to destroy the Akatsuki. So it could be simply that Madara had triggered the situations that lead to the Rinigan being unlocked, we don't know other than the Zetsu clones, and controlling the Third Mizukage, what else he was doing for the sixty odd year leading to the Kyuubi attack.

I don't see how Madara could have given Negato the Rinnigan in the classic sense as we saw in the flashback that Negato's eyes were normal up until they awakened at his parents death.

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 11:02 PM

While I'm not sure about the Konoha ninja being under the influence of genjutsu when they killed Nagato's parents, I do agree with harry's comment that Nagato's awakening of the Rinnegan came about because of the events which resulted from Madara's actions. Essentially, Madara was the catylist; when he disappeared from public eye and led the world to believe he was dead, he went into the shadows and from there did whatever he could to cause unrest and strife in the ninja world, be it directly or through the actions of others. I believe it was through his actions that the 2nd war started, and the grief and loss of life was a result of him. Of course, events also lead to him discovering a child who possesses the Rinnegan, and set about trying to turn this boy into his weapon.

I believe the reason why he convinced Yahiko to form the Akatsuki was get closer to Nagato, and then sought to get Yahiko out of the picture so that the path to Nagato would be clear. So how's the best way to do that without revealing himself? Bring the news of this growing organisation to the attention of Hanzo, and trust that he would act accordingly given his prominent paranoia of threats to his rule. Whether or not Madara had a hand in bringing Danzo into this situation, I don't know, but the plan succeeded somewhat. Yahiko was dead, but Nagato had turned himself into a cripple in the process. Regardless, Madara then took advantage of Nagato in his weak emotional and psychological state (very Palpatine-like) to convince him to reshape the Akatsuki into what they're now known for.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:56 AM

What if...what if Madara is one of the village elders :OOO!!!! Now that is Palpatine Like xD

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 05:13 PM

This discussion deals with the latest manga developments, that the anime hasn't covered yet. So I've moved this to the manga forum. happy.gif

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:45 AM

manga forums?

noooo is a dissaster waitin to happen lol

Pfft...my thread is dead...why is it that my thread always dies. People out there have something against Strangelove or something.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:18 PM

Madara told Konan that the full Izanagi was the power to create. Perhaps he created Nagato's Rinnegan. Which doesn't mean that he actually needed to meet Nagato. It has already been explained that Izanagi has the power to turn imagination into reality. But then again after the use of Izanagi the eye turns blind forever. Perhaps that explains the one hole in his mask?

But in the fight with Konan did he use both of them didn't hé?

Edited by Torxe, 09 February 2011 - 02:43 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 08:43 PM

I thought the answer to this question was already pretty well understood? The Sharinghan and Rinnegan are clearly something you are born and is activated by some kind of pain. We already know the point of his plan is to gather all of the tailed beast in order to create the 10 tails. The only one able to control it of course.. is the sage of 6 paths. He needs both of them so that he can control the 10 tail beast to put a Genjutsu on the whole planet so that he can forever control it.

QUOTE (Strangelove @ Oct 26 2010, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What if...what if Madara is one of the village elders :OOO!!!! Now that is Palpatine Like xD


Madara is not only a village elder he is the one that helped create it. You have to remember the village was created by Senju / Uchiha. That was what the fight was over from the start , Madara lost and eventually stepped away. Things did not go his wanted so he left and planned a giant over throw of the Senju government.

QUOTE (Torxe @ Feb 8 2011, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Madara told Konan that the full Izanagi was the power to create. Perhaps he created Nagato's Rinnegan. Which doesn't mean that he actually needed to meat Rinnegan. It has already been explained that Izanagi has the power to turn imagination into reality. But then again after the use of Izanagi the eye turns blind forever. Perhaps that explains the one hole in his mask?

But in the fight with Konan did he use both of them didn't hé?


Exactly that is where the 10 tailed beast comes in. It clearly has the ability to use all techniques without any kind of back lash to the user. When Madara can control the 10 tail beast... he has all the power he would ever need.

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 07:44 AM

QUOTE (Prime @ Feb 8 2011, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly that is where the 10 tailed beast comes in. It clearly has the ability to use all techniques without any kind of back lash to the user. When Madara can control the 10 tail beast... he has all the power he would ever need.


I think you're missing my point. I don't think that Madara was the 10 tailed beast Jinchuuriki when Nagato got his Rinnegan.
So if he used Izanagi at that time he would still lose an eye.
Perhaps he stole another one (without the EMS in it) an used it for Izanagi just to replace it again with the eyes he stole from his little brother?
Or am I reading to much in it?

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Torxe @ Feb 9 2011, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you're missing my point. I don't think that Madara was the 10 tailed beast Jinchuuriki when Nagato got his Rinnegan.
So if he used Izanagi at that time he would still lose an eye.
Perhaps he stole another one (without the EMS in it) an used it for Izanagi just to replace it again with the eyes he stole from his little brother?
Or am I reading to much in it?



Naw he would have not been the 10 tailed beast at that time. Yes of course he would lose an eye like you said that is probably the reason for the mask. It is safe to assume very few people know how to trans plant a Sharinghan. No you are not reading into it to much =)

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (Prime @ Feb 9 2011, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naw he would have not been the 10 tailed beast at that time. Yes of course he would lose an eye like you said that is probably the reason for the mask. It is safe to assume very few people know how to trans plant a Sharinghan. No you are not reading into it to much =)


But he did use both his eyes in his fight against konan if I'm not mistaken. It is very clearly shown that it is the eye that is normally covered that gets stricken blind after he used Izanagi to escape from Konan's jutsu.

PS: Does anyone know where I might find a thread about how u can use multiple quotes in a single reply?
or wants to explain it to me?
thx in advance.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Torxe @ Feb 9 2011, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But he did use both his eyes in his fight against konan if I'm not mistaken. It is very clearly shown that it is the eye that is normally covered that gets stricken blind after he used Izanagi to escape from Konan's jutsu.

PS: Does anyone know where I might find a thread about how u can use multiple quotes in a single reply?
or wants to explain it to me?
thx in advance.



Oh just click the "quote" button next to the post you want to quote you can do as many as you want. Then just simply go click the reply button and you will see it all there.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 08:50 AM

Oh it's that easy ?

*thinking by myself (I'm an idiot)*
thx, srr to bother you

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