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#48881 Nostradamus

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Posted 05 May 2018 - 04:20 AM

it's funny to me that it was Naruto who had the most genuine and truest love in the series, and yet THAT is the love people want to say was a joke and was the crush, while they claim Hinata and Sakura-Chan's "love" was real when those were the childish crushes all along. Like I said, I feel sorry for Naruto the most in the whole thing, and I want him to get the ending he truly deserved.

Naruto has taught us 3 simple rules that we must live by. These rules shall be followed or otherwise face severe consequences.

 

1. If you're a woman and you love a man who doesn't love you, the man has to love you back no questions asked.

Or at least end up with you.

 

2. If you're a man and you don't love a woman who loves you, you have to love the woman back no questions asked.

Or at least end with her.

 

3. If you're a man and you're in love with a woman and she's in love with you, you have to forget about her and love another woman.

Or at least end with her.

 

These are the three tenets that we must live by.

:yes: :D  :wink:


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 05 May 2018 - 07:01 AM

it's funny to me that it was Naruto who had the most genuine and truest love in the series, and yet THAT is the love people want to say was a joke and was the crush, while they claim Hinata and Sakura-Chan's "love" was real when those were the childish crushes all along. Like I said, I feel sorry for Naruto the most in the whole thing, and I want him to get the ending he truly deserved.

At this point the only "REAL LOVE" from this story that i truly believe is Naruto love of Ramen and Beer.


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Posted 05 May 2018 - 10:11 AM

I re-watched a Naruto episode and Sakura told Naruto that she was watching him all night while he was in hospital. I think it was a filler though... Just thought it deserves to be mentioned since this wasn't Shippuuden where Naruto was "famous and good-looking"...


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Posted 05 May 2018 - 01:31 PM



Naruto has taught us 3 simple rules that we must live by. These rules shall be followed or otherwise face severe consequences.

 

1. If you're a woman and you love a man who doesn't love you, the man has to love you back no questions asked.

Or at least end up with you.

 

2. If you're a man and you don't love a woman who loves you, you have to love the woman back no questions asked.

Or at least end with her.

 

3. If you're a man and you're in love with a woman and she's in love with you, you have to forget about her and love another woman.

Or at least end with her.

 

These are the three tenets that we must live by.

:yes: :D  :wink:

 

Correction.

 

3. If you're a man and you're in love with a woman who's also in love with you, that is not love, that is a red herring, and you are meant to fall in love with your stalker!!! :lmao:  :zaru: If you're a woman and you're in love with a man not only returns your love but also treats you with respect and tenderness, is selfless towards you, and always makes you smile and feel safe, though you also used to have a crush on an emotionally abusive man that tried to kill you AND the man you're in love with, you're a TERRIBLE WOMAN for not continuing to love the murderous, emotionally abusive man!!! :kukuku:   :spaz: :th_yeah:

 

Remember these lessons kids :roll:


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Posted 05 May 2018 - 10:30 PM

Well, JK Rowling did admit that Harry and Hermione probably would have made a better couple than Ron and Hermione seeing how, even in her own canon, she admits that Ron and Hermione went through marriage councelling.
Funny how, Kishimoto or Ikemoto show NH and SS going through massive amounts of turmoil, but never admitting that maybe NH and SS need marriage councelling, but JK Rowling actually shows their couples being good people to each other and such only to say that at least one of them needs councelling.

To quote Rick from Rick and morty. " for Christ sake either fix your marriage or get divorce" the amount of Rick line I could use with the problem in are too much.

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Posted 05 May 2018 - 10:35 PM

You know the thing I find funny is when people say Neji's death in the war arc holds the same weight as Ace's death from One Piece in Marine Ford.. which obviously a hell to the no.  
 
 
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Case in point #1  Neji's death in the war arc came out of nowhere, and didn't have any build up leading up to it. 
 
Case in point #3 We didn't see much interactions between Naruto and Neji as friends.So it feels extremely lackluster. 
 
Case in point #2  the reason behind Neji's death was so that Naruto and Hinata grew "close" a god damn pairing. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Now let us look at Ace's Death from One Piece: 
 
 
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Case in point #1  Unlike Neji,  the death of Ace actually had legit build up to it, and felt impactful. 
 
Case in point #2   Ace's death at Marineford was to protect his brother, and when it happened it held weight.  
 
Case in point #3:  Yes like Naruto it was the first time Luffy saw someone die before him, but the real difference is that these two had history, and he was traumatized witnessing the whole thing.

Ha no I mean I like neji but that's pushing it it's like saying it's better than piccolo death in the saiyan saga or both of vegeta deaths it's not that good compared and ace death was so sad and ace was a likeable character that cared about Laffy even though they weren't related. The best scene out of the fall out of aces death was when grap got beaten up by dadan.
Also after seeing g infinity war is wish thanos would go to the naruto world and reblance it taking out hinata and sasuke once he snaps his fingers. Oh sorry spoilers if no one has seen infinity war.
Anyone seen leprechaun 3 cause there's a scene in there where lep kills a woman by making her boobs, lips and ass so big she explodes now image that being done to hinata since her looks are that matters.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:48 PM

You know I find it ASTONISHING how double standard Naruto readers are with Sakura compared to the attitudes of other and even worse tsunderes. Anything other tsunderes do are more tolerated if still not liked, but Sakura is treated like evil incarnate for treating Naruto like anyone else treats him, when in fact she does not show hateful disdain for him like most of the village, she just thinks he's is an annoying prank-filled loser that is not cool and Handsome like Sasuke. And that stems from the petty reason that most are not even willing to let go of that first impression because they over sympathize with Naruto's tragic back story and think Sakura does not understand him, when she bonds with and grows closer to him through out the series. That said, the way she was written just to prolong the kittening love triangle did her no favours, that can not be denied.

 

On the flip side, Hinata does not even attempt to bond with or get closer to Naruto but Her hierophants think that they are a match in heaven just because Hinata is crushing on the social pariah and that makes her "entitled" to him.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:36 PM

You know I find it ASTONISHING how double standard Naruto readers are with Sakura compared to the attitudes of other and even worse tsunderes. Anything other tsunderes do are more tolerated if still not liked, but Sakura is treated like evil incarnate for treating Naruto like anyone else treats him, when in fact she does not show hateful disdain for him like most of the village, she just thinks he's is an annoying prank-filled loser that is not cool and Handsome like Sasuke. And that stems from the petty reason that most are not even willing to let go of that first impression because they over sympathize with Naruto's tragic back story and think Sakura does not understand him, when she bonds with and grows closer to him through out the series. That said, the way she was written just to prolong the kittening love triangle did her no favours, that can not be denied.
 
On the flip side, Hinata does not even attempt to bond with or get closer to Naruto but Her hierophants think that they are a match in heaven just because Hinata is crushing on the social pariah and that makes her "entitled" to him.

While this thing discuss so many time, i really love sakura discussion.

Sakura is the most hate character bar none. Part of it because she's tsundere or violence girl, useless, weak/cry, love Sasuke, hate Naruto, and she's in the threat for nh. It's the combination of all the above.

For tsundere, as a wholesale (in fandom), usually you either hate her or love her. There's those who doesn't care but it's not much.

Tsundere from another media usually has thing to balance their annoying trait. Like Asuka from Evangelion who kick ass, kagome story focus, generic modern tsundere character who secretly like the male character like Mikasa mikoto from index, sana who has all of it. And many more. Oh and Rin from fate franchise.

For sakura since her first impression is bad and author doesn't develop her story, it make fans as whole doesn't change their opinion. Sakura is a character who need character development. the author know that but he's not consistent with it. I think post chunin Exam arc, sakura has good character development which may or may not coincidence with ns development. But it doesn't address one of the biggest sakura problem, her weak and useless. Only on the part 2 Kishi address it by giving her Tsunade move set. But he doesn't continue it and that's a bad news for sakura like character. And then land of iron arc happen, sakura popularity Plummet, and Hinata become more popular, and Kishi change his mind.

While Hinata is not relevant to the plot. Her popularity among fan, assisten, and studio pierot staff are the biggest contributor for nh to happen. And i understand where that come from. Hinata doesn't do what sakura did in the beginning of Naruto thus setting up her character (intentionally or not) to be "better" in the eye of her fan and most netral. I mean when you have female blogger support Hinata and therefor nh, you know how hard sakura position.

On top of that since she rarely write by Kishi she is shelter by Kishi horrible writing unlike sakura (and Naruto).

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 02:55 AM

While this thing discuss so many time, i really love sakura discussion.

Sakura is the most hate character bar none. Part of it because she's tsundere or violence girl, useless, weak/cry, love Sasuke, hate Naruto, and she's in the threat for nh. It's the combination of all the above.

For tsundere, as a wholesale (in fandom), usually you either hate her or love her. There's those who doesn't care but it's not much.

Tsundere from another media usually has thing to balance their annoying trait. Like Asuka from Evangelion who kick ass, kagome story focus, generic modern tsundere character who secretly like the male character like Mikasa mikoto from index, sana who has all of it. And many more. Oh and Rin from fate franchise.

For sakura since her first impression is bad and author doesn't develop her story, it make fans as whole doesn't change their opinion. Sakura is a character who need character development. the author know that but he's not consistent with it. I think post chunin Exam arc, sakura has good character development which may or may not coincidence with ns development. But it doesn't address one of the biggest sakura problem, her weak and useless. Only on the part 2 Kishi address it by giving her Tsunade move set. But he doesn't continue it and that's a bad news for sakura like character. And then land of iron arc happen, sakura popularity Plummet, and Hinata become more popular, and Kishi change his mind.

While Hinata is not relevant to the plot. Her popularity among fan, assisten, and studio pierot staff are the biggest contributor for nh to happen. And i understand where that come from. Hinata doesn't do what sakura did in the beginning of Naruto thus setting up her character (intentionally or not) to be "better" in the eye of her fan and most netral. I mean when you have female blogger support Hinata and therefor nh, you know how hard sakura position.

On top of that since she rarely write by Kishi she is shelter by Kishi horrible writing unlike sakura (and Naruto).

I'm sorry, but what? Sakura clearly developed throughout the story while Hinata did not. AT ALL.



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 03:19 AM

I'm sorry, but what? Sakura clearly developed throughout the story while Hinata did not. AT ALL.

 

And that's the problem because majority of the fandom was ignoring Sakura's development and thinking Hinata was near important status character where in reality of the plot, she wasn't even part of the ones who are in that level like Shikamaru.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:20 AM

And that's the problem because majority of the fandom was ignoring Sakura's development and thinking Hinata was near important status character where in reality of the plot, she wasn't even part of the ones who are in that level like Shikamaru.


That is what I keep saying. Her development is only a bit more than Shino's or Tenten's, but that is only because they had little to begin with it.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:15 AM

I'm sorry, but what? Sakura clearly developed throughout the story while Hinata did not. AT ALL.

Sakura has character developmen, but her character development is tied to romance. I think that because sakura is literally the romantic subplot of this manga aka Heroine. That's the critic from pro and Contra sakura.

I think Kishi is capable to develop her outside of romance. She has potential as ordinary human in ninja. There's a story to tell from that. Then again this kind of thing doesn't only happen to sakura. Rock lee is pretty much disappear from 2/3 of manga. So the rest of character not name Naruto and Sasuke. (Naruto also suffer from it).

Even Hinata has it too but it happen only in chunin Exam. After that her character doesn't get any character development because Kishi doesn't care about her.

For reader, Hinata has more impression especially in pain invasion with her suicide confession. While sakura doesn't do any memorable in that arc and in the next arc she get all the hate of the world. And after that she pretty much become side character.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:28 AM

If there's anything I learned from my time with Naruto...it's to make my female characters have big boobs. According to popular belief, boobs solve everything. 



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:31 AM

If there's anything I learned from my time with Naruto...it's to make my female characters have big boobs. According to popular belief, boobs solve everything. 

The bigger, the better.


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:30 AM

If there's anything I learned from my time with Naruto...it's to make my female characters have big boobs. According to popular belief, boobs solve everything. 

 

 

The bigger, the better.

 

So like Dead or Alive then?


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:36 AM

 

 

 

So like Dead or Alive then?

Bigger.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 02:43 AM

If there's anything I learned from my time with Naruto...it's to make my female characters have big boobs. According to popular belief, boobs solve everything. 


Usually female character with big boobs draw in most shonen manga, Harem, and most seinen. They are created for the sake fanservice or to show that the character is definitely female.

I still can't believe Kishi make sakura have big boobs in burito when her design is consistent with "flat chest" even in the last movie.

If kishi want to grow sakura boob, he should do that after part 1. That way horny fan boy Will like her.

And then he make Hinata boob smaller, seem like Hinata need to get sakurafication even in boob departemen.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 04:02 AM

Usually female character with big boobs draw in most shonen manga, Harem, and most seinen. They are created for the sake fanservice or to show that the character is definitely female.

I still can't believe Kishi make sakura have big boobs in burito when her design is consistent with "flat chest" even in the last movie.

If kishi want to grow sakura boob, he should do that after part 1. That way horny fan boy Will like her.

And then he make Hinata boob smaller, seem like Hinata need to get sakurafication even in boob departemen.

 

Even though, I'm shocked of the switch as well, Sakura didn't need it during Part 2. Masashi's design gave her curves (although Pierrot ignored it most of the time, exclude certain incidents like Shippuden Movie 2 when she knocked out by that zero tailed beast). The series didn't even need another Oppai-type character when we had Tsunade and later, Ino. Hell, in my opinion, Ino should had gotten more popularity as she was more involved or even when she first introduced, Samui. But we all knew the damn studio were Hinata otakus and made her somehow a "priority" than the main characters.


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:50 PM

Heck, even without better assests, alot of the women in Naruto are way better looking than Hinata so she kind of needed those assests to even compete. Sakura wad always prettier in my opinion. Early in the manga she was placed to be the prettiest one. Even though, she was bullied for her forehead she was going to overcome that and show it off to show she can be pretty no matter what. Confidence was supposed to be apart of her growth.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 10:48 PM

too bad "growth' for Sakura goes out the window when dealing with Sasuke, yet she married him anyway because "his hotness" makes her weak in the knees :zaru:


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