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[VanitasDS76491]

I am of the opinion that Sakura, as a medical ninja, just acquired some of Sasuke's DNA and artificially impregnated herself.  that makes much more sense in MY MIND  And I can't be wrong because they never confirmed Medical ninjutsu can't do that. And since Medical/biological tech and manipulation seem advanced enough to clone, why can't they create artificial insemination?............ THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT!
 
Well those are my thoughts IF Sakura is in fact the biological mother, indisputably

Nice but that doesn't answer Sarada Karin look.
  

Throwing my hate in I think that Karin is Sarada's mother not Sakura I mean come on this is Sasuke after all why would he want to have a child with someone that is not part of a powerful clan hence Karin, since she would be one of the onlu women willing to let Sasuke do her giving her state of mind.
 
And I can see the SP writers doing this making Sakura childless as a last laugh to her.

That makes sense they'd do that for those reasons kitten sp they were good at one point but not now, everything they touch turns to kitten.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Nice but that doesn't answer Sarada Karin look.
  That makes sense they'd do that for those reasons kitten sp they were good at one point but not now, everything they touch turns to kitten.

Well we all need to remember that SP loves to play favourites, they loved Hinata and hated Sakura right from the start of the anime. I mean god they had a 12 year old Hinata dancing naked for crying out load.

I have said this before that Toie should have done Naruto cause they don't play favourites.

[VanitasDS76491]

Well we all need to remember that SP loves to play favourites, they loved Hinata and hated Sakura right from the start of the anime. I mean god they had a 12 year old Hinata dancing naked for crying out load.
I have said this before that Toie should have done Naruto cause they don't play favourites.

Ya no one crying how that's wrong seeing an underage girl naked don't care if you can't see much she's clearly naked.
Agreed playing favorites is a sign of bad writing.

[Phantom_999]

Nice but that doesn't answer Sarada Karin look.

 

Yeah, like I said IF Sakura is the actual biological mother that is the only explanation I will accept or believe on how she is pregnant with Sasuke's child. I doubt she is though

Edited by Phantom_999, 20 February 2018 - 01:31 PM.

[rocci]

That is the problem for salad character design.
It's really stupid for her to use glasses when the only Naruto age group who use glasses is Karin. And she legit has bad sight.

Another thing is her role. She is pretty much sakura uchiha, just like how Obito is Naruto uchiha.

Seriously. Kishi should just make salad female Sasuke or Sasuke MK.02
It just next gen ns at this point. I Will not surprise of she's place number 1 when burito popularity pool happen.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

That is the problem for salad character design.
It's really stupid for her to use glasses when the only Naruto age group who use glasses is Karin. And she legit has bad sight.

Another thing is her role. She is pretty much sakura uchiha, just like how Obito is Naruto uchiha.

Seriously. Kishi should just make salad female Sasuke or Sasuke MK.02
It just next gen ns at this point. I Will not surprise of she's place number 1 when burito popularity pool happen.

 

It's obvious to me that Sarada and Boruto's designs were meant to be SasuKariun and NaruSaku kids, but when others took control and the ending changed, the designs were still used, so...

[rocci]

 
It's obvious to me that Sarada and Boruto's designs were meant to be SasuKariun and NaruSaku kids, but when others took control and the ending changed, the designs were still used, so...

Design wise any Naruto song Will be his clone be it nh or ns child. Character wise burito is more like narusasu child than nh.

When you think about it, there are no team 8 expy in burito generation. And there's no Hyuga/byakugan user.
Burito doesn't count since his eye power is not byakugan.and he's not a Hyuga.

Edited by rocci, 20 February 2018 - 05:04 PM.

[tricksie]

If traditionalism is suppose to be a theme now in the Naruto franchise; how do you explain Salad? Salad's dream is not to become a housewife, but instead to take up the mantle of hokage; a village leader that has been held by men 6/7 of the time. Compare this to her mother who's dream was to get a boyfriend, then get married, and have a loving relationship with her hot husband. Which of these two dreams are more tradition for women to have? I don't know if you been keeping up with Boruto but if he fulfills his dream then Salad will be his boss, and it clear that they are suppose to get together. Is it very traditional for a wife to be her husband's boss?

Sorry I'm getting back to this so much later....

 

So, I think we shouldn't separate Kishimoto from the environment he created the manga in, that's what I mean by traditionalism. He's in Japan where it's very much pushed for women to stay home - those kinds of traditional values. This story reinforces that idea. Women are okay to go to school, even have some type of career. But when you have a child, you are expected to go. And there have been quite a few articles in the past about women who want to return to work after a child as being called a 'devil wife.' 

 

So yeah...and you want to see these traditional Japanese values put into effect in Naruto? Sakura and Hinata...accomplished shinobi who have basically retired at age 20 or so to have a baby. They will never return to being shinobi again. The other married women are not even taken into consideration. And the alternative is Tsunade, who has no children, has broken romances and is a drinker.

 

So if you are a girl/teen/young woman reading this manga, there is not a single female character who comes out as accomplishing their individual goals as it relates to themselves, and not to a man or his goals. And some of them are even punished in their future lives, like Sakura.

 

I think Kishimoto may have been younger and more idealistic when he started this manga 20+ years ago. But he has mellowed into a middle aged man who clearly had no problem subtracting from these roles to make these women more softer, friendlier and family oriented and in keeping with a GIANT Japanese concern right now which is the graying of Japan and the declining birthrate. It's real and serious. I can't imagine Kishimoto not thinking about it when he was pairing up characters for the end. (It would have been an easy choice to pick the fan favorite Hinata who's only goal is to be married and have a family with the hero.)

 

 

And outside of Kishimoto in the context of his environment, we all know now that he is completely susceptible to pressure...by the fact the he dumped a strong Sakura and her unfailing love for Naruto, for the sympathetic, pretty Hinata. 

 

Honestly, in the end I think he was sick of the manga, because none of the characters are done right by. But it's particularly bad for the female characters.

 

Last point, as for Sarada, you have no way of knowing whether she's going to be Hokage. In fact, precedent now tells us that just as most of the characters in Naruto's manga did not get their goals met, we can expect the same thing from Boruto. Whatever goals are laid out in the beginning of Boruto, if the fans don't approve, then the ending will be changed to suit their demands.

 

And as for Sarada and saying she wants to be hokage, I hate to say this, but I think it's a ruse. A plot device. Something to make fans like her and think she's going to break the mold. But there is no guarantee whatsoever that she's going to be Hokage. And I expect that at the end of Boruto (if it ever makes it that for) Bolt will come back and have a change of heart and want to walk in his father's footsteps, and Salad will step aside and let him.

 

Just once I'd like to see Kishimoto do right by a female character. The only one I can think of that really got what she wanted and stayed true to her original character is Temari. 

 

In terms of Sarada, it would've been better if Masashi just say that she is adopted by Sakura with "reasons". Obviously design-wise, Sarada IS Sasuke and Karin's, ever since her first appearance. They're no denial about it because of facial structure and her eyes. Anyone can put two and two together. However because they have to follow the so-called fandom and higher-ups, it had to be Sasuke and Sakura's despite the stupidity and common sense of the idea.

The fact that Sakura is at home, dusting the uchiha knick knacks that sasuke doesn't care about, taking care of the kid that he doesn't know about, and that there is an entire arc about her possibly being adopted — that's never satisfactorily answered btw!! (just talk about love and feelings) — is such a final dig at Sakura's character. Salad looking Karin and Sasuke's daughter...it's like the mean gift that keeps on giving. 

[James S Cassidy]

 

I am of the opinion that Sakura, as a medical ninja, just acquired some of Sasuke's DNA and artificially impregnated herself.  that makes much more sense in MY MIND  And I can't be wrong because they never confirmed Medical ninjutsu can't do that. And since Medical/biological tech and manipulation seem advanced enough to clone, why can't they create artificial insemination?............ THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT!

 

Well those are my thoughts IF Sakura is in fact the biological mother, indisputably 

It's funny how people choose this and say it is more believable:

"Salad has traits of Karin because every time Sasuke bit Karin to heal himself he got some of her DNA in him and it transferred to Salad. Sakura is the biological mother, but with Sasuke having mixed blood, it is why she looks or has Karin's traits."

Than:

"Salad's real mother is Karin."

How if the first one more believable than the the second one. Has no one heard of Occam's Razor?

It's funny how like...weird genetics are being played with in stories today. It used to be that special genes could explain special traits, but that has been thrown out the window. Now, apparently, genes only pass down what you want to pass down or just touching another person some how gives you genetic traits of them.

Things that should exist genetically, but don't:
Himawari and Boruto having the Byakugan (Himawari's Byakugan is later retconned into existence with a weak ass explanation that the "Byakugan can be turned off like the Sharingan")
Wood techniques. Somehow can be passed down from father to the child, but can be gained if injecting Hashirama cells into you. How does that even make sense?
People having to wear glasses. Poor eyesight is a passed down genetic trait.
Red hair.
Rey being a Skywalker for the reason she is sensitive to the force.

Things not passed down genetically, but apparently are now:
Tsunade's and Sakura's strength and healing techniques.
Boruto's and Himwari's whisker marks.
Wood technique for some random girl. (Tsunade can't get it from her grandfather, but everyone else, including a rqandom girl, can acquire the technique easily just by playing with Hashirama's genes.)

What is that techniques or traits are all of sudden not passed down through genetics like what they really should do, but apparently 15 seconds of exposure of just being in the same room with something all of a sudden gives you such genetic traits.

What next? "Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man, not by being beaten by a Spider, but being bitten by an alligator that ate a snake that ate a frog that ate a genetically altered spider. The Lizard spliced himself wth deer DNA of a deer that accidentally ate a lizard while eating on some leaves which turned him into a defoned lizard man creature." How the fudge does that work?

This is basically a Naruto's characters origin story now:


"....that's how he became an Uchiha."


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 20 February 2018 - 08:39 PM.

[tricksie]

Oh yeah, it's a big deal in Japan for the mother to keep the umbilical cord....

 

So, remind me again why Karin has it?

[rocci]

Oh yeah, it's a big deal in Japan for the mother to keep the umbilical cord....
 
So, remind me again why Karin has it?

Karin's hair Herring.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Sorry I'm getting back to this so much later....

 

So, I think we shouldn't separate Kishimoto from the environment he created the manga in, that's what I mean by traditionalism. He's in Japan where it's very much pushed for women to stay home - those kinds of traditional values. This story reinforces that idea. Women are okay to go to school, even have some type of career. But when you have a child, you are expected to go. And there have been quite a few articles in the past about women who want to return to work after a child as being called a 'devil wife.' 

 

So yeah...and you want to see these traditional Japanese values put into effect in Naruto? Sakura and Hinata...accomplished shinobi who have basically retired at age 20 or so to have a baby. They will never return to being shinobi again. The other married women are not even taken into consideration. And the alternative is Tsunade, who has no children, has broken romances and is a drinker.

 

So if you are a girl/teen/young woman reading this manga, there is not a single female character who comes out as accomplishing their individual goals as it relates to themselves, and not to a man or his goals. And some of them are even punished in their future lives, like Sakura.

 

I think Kishimoto may have been younger and more idealistic when he started this manga 20+ years ago. But he has mellowed into a middle aged man who clearly had no problem subtracting from these roles to make these women more softer, friendlier and family oriented and in keeping with a GIANT Japanese concern right now which is the graying of Japan and the declining birthrate. It's real and serious. I can't imagine Kishimoto not thinking about it when he was pairing up characters for the end. (It would have been an easy choice to pick the fan favorite Hinata who's only goal is to be married and have a family with the hero.)

 

 

And outside of Kishimoto in the context of his environment, we all know now that he is completely susceptible to pressure...by the fact the he dumped a strong Sakura and her unfailing love for Naruto, for the sympathetic, pretty Hinata. 

 

Honestly, in the end I think he was sick of the manga, because none of the characters are done right by. But it's particularly bad for the female characters.

 

Last point, as for Sarada, you have no way of knowing whether she's going to be Hokage. In fact, precedent now tells us that just as most of the characters in Naruto's manga did not get their goals met, we can expect the same thing from Boruto. Whatever goals are laid out in the beginning of Boruto, if the fans don't approve, then the ending will be changed to suit their demands.

 

And as for Sarada and saying she wants to be hokage, I hate to say this, but I think it's a ruse. A plot device. Something to make fans like her and think she's going to break the mold. But there is no guarantee whatsoever that she's going to be Hokage. And I expect that at the end of Boruto (if it ever makes it that for) Bolt will come back and have a change of heart and want to walk in his father's footsteps, and Salad will step aside and let him.

 

Just once I'd like to see Kishimoto do right by a female character. The only one I can think of that really got what she wanted and stayed true to her original character is Temari. 

 

The fact that Sakura is at home, dusting the uchiha knick knacks that sasuke doesn't care about, taking care of the kid that he doesn't know about, and that there is an entire arc about her possibly being adopted — that's never satisfactorily answered btw!! (just talk about love and feelings) — is such a final dig at Sakura's character. Salad looking Karin and Sasuke's daughter...it's like the mean gift that keeps on giving. 

Or look at the flashback involving Kurenai and her father during Kurama's attack - he essentially tells her to find a man, have babies, and stay in the kitchen, and look at what happens...pretty much EXACTLY that as the moment she's revealed to be pregnant, she pretty much disappears entirely outside of a couple moments, and they all involved Shikamaru

And yeah, I definitely see that happening in terms of Boruto, Salad, and the Hokage position. Pretty much every female who has been shown to have some kind of ambition ends up getting shafted.

[DrK]

Or look at the flashback involving Kurenai and her father during Kurama's attack - he essentially tells her to find a man, have babies, and stay in the kitchen, and look at what happens...pretty much EXACTLY that as the moment she's revealed to be pregnant, she pretty much disappears entirely outside of a couple moments, and they all involved Shikamaru

That part is really kittened up, but what was Kurenai really supposed to do? She had to take care of a baby on her own. She had no one else who could really do it. It's not clear if she even had any living family. It's not like Shikamaru is gonna stop being a ninja to babysit for her. I'm not sure how else he could have resolved the issue of her being pregnant. And the fact that she was did make Asuma's death much more poignant than it otherwise would have been. Asuma was too minor of a character for it to be that effective just on its own. I really didn't have much of a problem with it. Especially since she was in her 30s, unlike every single female in the K11 except POSSIBLY Tenten dropping out at the age of 20 to raise kids. Now that was actually appalling.

 

It doesn't even make sense that a lot of these people, like Sai and Ino, Choji and the random ass Kumo girl, etc, would want to have a family right away. It's nonsense. I can buy it for Hinata and the sycophantically broken Sakura. That's it. It was blatantly manufactured for this sequel which turned out to be god awful.

Edited by DrK, 22 February 2018 - 02:46 AM.

[Phantom_999]

That part is really kittened up, but what was Kurenai really supposed to do? She had to take care of a baby on her own. She had no one else who could really do it. It's not clear if she even had any living family. It's not like Shikamaru is gonna stop being a ninja to babysit for her. I'm not sure how else he could have resolved the issue of her being pregnant. And the fact that she was did make Asuma's death much more poignant than it otherwise would have been. Asuma was too minor of a character for it to be that effective just on its own. I really didn't have much of a problem with it. Especially since she was in her 30s, unlike every single female in the K11 except POSSIBLY Tenten dropping out at the age of 20 to raise kids. Now that was actually appalling.

 

It doesn't even make sense that a lot of these people, like Sai and Ino, Choji and the random ass Kumo girl, etc, would want to have a family right away. It's nonsense. I can buy it for Hinata and the sycophantically broken Sakura. That's it. It was blatantly manufactured for this sequel which turned out to be god awful.

 

 

This is true, almost none of the other K11 expressed any desire to "procreate asap" did they? It literally was done so that there will be other "brats" for Boruto and Sarada to interact with. I mean any other couple onscreen during Naruto's 700 chapter run was confirmed to have children when they were in their late twenties at least, or in their thirties when they ha a solid career and have at least enough maturity to raise the kids.

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 March 2018 - 09:38 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I will like to Add that I do have a great number of deaths for Hinata in my stories I will later share them its just I need to fine tune them all first, and yes I know, I know killing her is going to far but with Hinata fan boys on Fanfiction attacking NS writers cause we are still around and flagging us wanting us and our family dead well, think of it as pay back.

 

At most I can tell you guys and girl of at least two fully con firmed deaths that Hinata will have.

 

Sakura's curse Mark: Arukas(Sakura's Dark half) snaps Hinata's neck.

 

Naruto Ever After: Hinata gets a broken glass shard in the neck and bleeds out.

[VanitasDS76491]

I will like to Add that I do have a great number of deaths for Hinata in my stories I will later share them its just I need to fine tune them all first, and yes I know, I know killing her is going to far but with Hinata fan boys on Fanfiction attacking NS writers cause we are still around and flagging us wanting us and our family dead well, think of it as pay back.
 
At most I can tell you guys and girl of at least two fully con firmed deaths that Hinata will have.
 
Sakura's curse Mark: Arukas(Sakura's Dark half) snaps Hinata's neck.
 
Naruto Ever After: Hinata gets a broken glass shard in the neck and bleeds out.

Naruto ever after is that your corpse party one?
Maybe have arukas rip her head off after snapping her neck scorpion style.

[James S Cassidy]

That part is really kittened up, but what was Kurenai really supposed to do? She had to take care of a baby on her own. She had no one else who could really do it. It's not clear if she even had any living family. It's not like Shikamaru is gonna stop being a ninja to babysit for her. I'm not sure how else he could have resolved the issue of her being pregnant. And the fact that she was did make Asuma's death much more poignant than it otherwise would have been. Asuma was too minor of a character for it to be that effective just on its own. I really didn't have much of a problem with it. Especially since she was in her 30s, unlike every single female in the K11 except POSSIBLY Tenten dropping out at the age of 20 to raise kids. Now that was actually appalling.

 

It doesn't even make sense that a lot of these people, like Sai and Ino, Choji and the random ass Kumo girl, etc, would want to have a family right away. It's nonsense. I can buy it for Hinata and the sycophantically broken Sakura. That's it. It was blatantly manufactured for this sequel which turned out to be god awful.

Add insult to injury.

It's funny how Kurenai was able to take care of their daughter by herself and tell her daughter all about how a great man Asuma was, but Sakura can't take care of Salad on her own, is in massive amounts of debt, and Sasuke still couldn't be bothered. At least Kuranai has reasons for not continuing to be a full-time ninja because she has a family to take care of. Hell, Shikamaru even helps out more for a family that is not even his than Sasuke and Naruto does for their own kids.

Kuranai being a housewife was a choice she made because she realized it was just her by herself since Asuma was killed. Sakura wishes she had this excuse, but she doesn't.

[DrK]

Add insult to injury.

It's funny how Kurenai was able to take care of their daughter by herself and tell her daughter all about how a great man Asuma was, but Sakura can't take care of Salad on her own, is in massive amounts of debt, and Sasuke still couldn't be bothered. At least Kuranai has reasons for not continuing to be a full-time ninja because she has a family to take care of. Hell, Shikamaru even helps out more for a family that is not even his than Sasuke and Naruto does for their own kids.

How is she even in debt? That doesn't even make sense. Sasuke would be the only inheritor of the wealth of a family that was at least half as wealthy as the Hyugas were. They cannot reasonably deny him that money if Naruto is the kittening Hokage. She should have unlimited funds to use for that if she's married to him. Maybe Sakura wouldn't look so bad if that were actually happening. Imagine if Sakura was shown to have a huge home and servants and crap. She wouldn't look so terrible then. Why did they have to go out of their way to make her look like s***?

 

At the very least, they could sell the land that the Uchiha district was built on. That would be enough to serve her and Salad for many years. It makes _no_ sense. Even if she's not married to him, and isn't even the mother of Salad, he would still have given her the damn money. There's no reason not to if that is his daughter.

Edited by DrK, 23 February 2018 - 08:07 PM.

[Derock]

How is she even in debt? That doesn't even make sense. Sasuke would be the only inheritor of the wealth of a family that was at least half as wealthy as the Hyugas were. They cannot reasonably deny him that money if Naruto is the kittening Hokage. She should have unlimited funds to use for that if she's married to him. Maybe Sakura wouldn't look so bad if that were actually happening. Imagine if Sakura was shown to have a huge home and servants and crap. She wouldn't look so terrible then. Why did they have to go out of their way to make her look like s***?

 

At the very least, they could sell the land that the Uchiha district was built on. That would be enough to serve her and Salad for many years. It makes _no_ sense. Even if she's not married to him, and isn't even the mother of Salad, he would still have given her the damn money. There's no reason not to if that is his daughter.

 

Its a damn good question. Somehow, Masashi gave Sakura a stay-at-home mom role (why's she not working in the hospital as a lead doctor and what about that children's hospital the novels said she created?) but when she got angry at Sarada with the real life daddy/husband issues aka "Sasuke is legitmately playing house with them", Sakura destroyed the house, leading to worry about loans/mortgage... what?! It was very stupid, sort of like the higher-ups, those stupid editors and Pierrot wanted Sakura's adult life to be the lowest of the low while Hinata got be in the rich life because she got her man and status. God, that's like imagining Sakura living in a Section 8/welfare over here.

[DrK]

 

Its a damn good question. Somehow, Masashi gave Sakura a stay-at-home mom role (why's she not working in the hospital as a lead doctor and what about that children's hospital the novels said she created?) but when she got angry at Sarada with the real life daddy/husband issues aka "Sasuke is legitmately playing house with them", Sakura destroyed the house, leading to worry about loans/mortgage... what?! It was very stupid, sort of like the higher-ups, those stupid editors and Pierrot wanted Sakura's adult life to be the lowest of the low while Hinata got be in the rich life because she got her man and status. God, that's like imagining Sakura living in a Section 8/welfare over here.

I guess it was to punish her. Because she was tainted for liking Sasuke when she was 13, and punching Naruto those three times, she didn't deserve Naruto, and everyone wants to see her suffer. While Hinata is getting the rewards she richly deserved for her loyal worship.

 

But the nonsensical nature of this just makes the truth even more obvious. Sakura was the one who was supposed to be comfortable and happy while Hinata never stops gazing at Naruto with longing from afar, no matter how many times Kiba asks her to stop doing it. Will there ever be any justice for Sakura? Unlikely, but I guess it's possible.

Edited by DrK, 23 February 2018 - 09:57 PM.