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[My Living Curse]

madara was a sephiroth rip off.

 

Sephiroth and Xehanort.

 

Actually he reminded me more of Xemnas (esp in the dub). You know, except the fact he didn't get stabbed by a black blob and turn into a woman at the final fight...

[VanitasDS76491]

Noctic is truly different personality wise than sasuke even when he's not a mad man. Noctic care about his friend his girlfriend and his kingdom. And he's not a brood emo. And cloud is different than for he's a shy guy who only become who he's because of zack who's pretty much black hair part 1 naruto. The only thing tifa share with Hinata is her big boob and dark hair. Tifa is much more sociable and outgoing than the shy stalker.

 
Exactly that's why final Fantasy does this better and pretty sure noticus and Tifa could kick sasuke and hinata's ass. I think tifa boobs are bigger and better than hinata's. Zack is better than naruto.
 

Naruto is no Cloud. That's insulting to Cloud. Ffs, Cloud is more like Sasuke, but a better version of him that's capable of human emotion and unselfish wants.

I'd take cloud emoness over Sasuke's, I'd say cloud when he first met Zack is more naruto.
 

madara was a sephiroth rip off.

 
Sephiroth is clearly better than madara, in fact I saw a fight between the two and it was ten tails madara and he lost.
 

I'd argue that Zack is more like Naruto than Cloud if we're going by personality, though disguising himself  as a woman to get his girlfriend out of danger seems like a Naruto thing to do.
 
And I strictly mean Naruto, not Boruto's Dad.
 
The Noctis/Sasuke and Sakura/Lightning comparisons honestly tick me off more because outside of physical appearance, they are nothing alike.
Sakura is more like tifa. Yes they are nothing alike cause noctis and lighting are better character than those two.

Sephiroth and Xehanort.

  

Yes, Zack and Naruto are a much better comparison. Sakura and lightning is also awful. I think Rinoa would be a better likeness and I don't even like her lol.

Zack is still better than naruto.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Cloud when he first met Zack was still a bit shy not to mention a jerk as a kid. I guess that last part fits with Naruto...

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 07 December 2017 - 01:56 PM.

[Yyubie]

Why are you guys comparing work of art with piece of S ??

It's blasphemy!

[rocci]

Yes, Zack and Naruto are a much better comparison. Sakura and lightning is also awful. I think Rinoa would be a better likeness and I don't even like her lol.

Squall is like sasuke minus the revenge part.
The funny thing about ff8 is that the love triangle is like reverse team seven. Basically squall is in naruto position, rinoa is upbeat sakura, while seifer is pretty much blonde sasuke. Squall like/interest in Rinoa while she like seifer who doesn't love anyone but mind his own business and he's squall rival. Oh and best girl quistis fill Hinata role and fujin fill Karin.

Zell and that library girl fit nh. In other word you need to make naruto as not important main character or side character to make nh canon aka the last.

@yubei

To show that naruto romance is not revolutionary since everyone already did that and with better writing than kishi.

[Yyubie]

@rocci

Square Enix (formerly Squaresoft) make their games with passion and love , that's how they able to make legend with Final Fantasy series and most memorable one is FF7. Comparing them with Studio Pierrot , Kishi , suesha .... with Naruto ???? .... it's already a big insult to Square Enix , a company that abandon all things for money and popularity ..... that's a blasphemy , a sin.

[rocci]

I can understand if you're joking but if you're serious than sorry, I disagree. You can compare something.

I'm just comparing the trope and role, since I see some similiarity and I think it could become an interesting topic to discuss.

[AHK]

 

[Source Needed] is my intro line as I fact check once again. 

 

Specifically "maniupulated information rather than going a realistic path" needs a source. 

 

"a scene that supposedly is the "bread and butter" of SS development,"  I've never seen anyone define this as the "bread and butter" of SS Development. Functionally, Chapter 3 serves to establish the relationship dynamic of Team 7. The scene does not serve any further importance then that. I'm uncertain why it is glorified to heavy narrative importance beyond that. 

 

Catch 22 is used incorrectly.

 

No, it's not all "one big fat lie". That...doesn't even make sense, given Catch 22 doesn't make sense either. 

The irony in your continual "corrections" of people on this forum isn't lost on me.

Answer: This scene is not important, and should not be counted as SS development. Rather, Chapter 3 sets the foundation for the Team 7 bonds. We're just setting up the roots.

 

See above, the Bench Scene is not of this glorified importance it demands re-visitation. There is no reason to revisit it, no reason for Sasuke or Sakura to discuss it, as it holds no importance between the two of them.  Kishimoto also doesn't do it. Perhaps, because it is answer A, the one I have selected.

Yeah, all of that is a lie.

[James S Cassidy]

@rocci

Square Enix (formerly Squaresoft) make their games with passion and love , that's how they able to make legend with Final Fantasy series and most memorable one is FF7. Comparing them with Studio Pierrot , Kishi , suesha .... with Naruto ???? .... it's already a big insult to Square Enix , a company that abandon all things for money and popularity ..... that's a blasphemy , a sin.

 

I would argue that this is more iconic


I mostly say this because Squall and Rinoa actually become a couple while I think many of the lover interest in FFVII are more ambiguous and I am not really sure whom really loves whom here.
Is Cloud in love with Tifa or Aeris?
Is Aeris in love with Cloud or Zack?
Plus does Aeris dying change all that?

Nothing really became concrete in the story of FFVII even if some fans want to believe something is concrete. Don't get me wrong, there are heavy hints, but with Aeris dying and Aeris thinking about Zack and Cloud being a combination of himself and Zack...it is hard to really say what is what. I could say that Aeris was only attracted to Cloud because of Zack and the like and what not.

The pairing wars in FFVII still go strong to this day and probably the only pairing wars that was bigger than the Naruto pairing wars. I feel that perhaps they are both correct. Cloud was in love with Aeris, but after she died he moved forward to Tifa. He will always feel bad about Aeris dying, but he can't live his life in angony and Aeris wouldn't want him to. I know this feeling all too well. I had a love and lost her and even though I still love her that does not mean I cannot love another.

https://thelifestrea...le-debate-over/
 

[Catra]

final fantasy xv ripped off minato's flying thunder god as well minus the tagging

[James S Cassidy]

final fantasy xv ripped off minato's flying thunder god as well minus the tagging

I was never sure why Naruto was never taught that technique...I mean, sure speed is speed, but nothing will ever be faster than Instant teleporting. Especially when this kind of teleporting is even more effective than even Goku's instant transmission.

[Catra]

reaction speed is also put into consideration

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The ending of ff7 is left ambiguous until all the compilations that got
Released that clarify the TLTD. Its cloud/tifa for a variety of reasons. But the arguing lasted for 15yrs.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 07 December 2017 - 09:40 PM.

[RidiculouslyBored]

I'm still confused as to why fans keep comparing Noctis to Sasuke, the only thing similar about them is character design. Although I would like to see a Luna vs Lightning battle...might be one sided but for my waifu Luna I would accept dues ex machina shenanigans.

Edited by RidiculouslyBored, 07 December 2017 - 08:01 PM.

[Kagomaru]

The ending of ff7 is left ambiguous until all the compilations that got
Released that clarify the TLTD. Its cloud/tifa for a variety of reasons. But the arguing lasted forums 15yrs.

Hell, Nomura and Kitase confirmed that it was Cloti by admitting that that Cloud and Tifa slept together on the Highwind (which only occurs if you have a high compatibility with Tifa) in an interview featured in the FF7 Ultimania Guide. Not to mention that in the Ultimania Guides, the two of them are featured in a section called "For the One I Love", which is dedicated to FF Couples.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Hell, Nomura and Kitase confirmed that it was Cloti by admitting that that Cloud and Tifa slept together on the Highwind (which only occurs if you have a high compatibility with Tifa) in an interview featured in the FF7 Ultimania Guide. Not to mention that in the Ultimania Guides, the two of them are featured in a section called "For the One I Love", which is dedicated to FF Couples.

Pretty much this. There is also the fact that Cloud had an enduring crush on Tifa before Sephiroth/jenova scrambled his brains and he became a cloud/Zack chimera.

Unlike in Naruto FF7 does have a major red herring in the fact that YOU the player thinks you are cloud. But you're not. You're just controlling the messed up Cloud. Once he wakes up, you the player can no longer make his choices.

Which means all that time spent woeing Aerith or being a jerk, or whatever choices you made weren't really his wants. But the Highwind scene IS him making a choice. It was honestly the best story/game design compound I've ever seen

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 07 December 2017 - 09:55 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Pretty much this. There is also the fact that Cloud had an enduring crush on Tifa before Sephiroth/jenova scrambled his brains and he became a cloud/Zack chimera.

Unlike in Naruto FF7 does have a major red herring in the fact that YOU the player thinks you are cloud. But you're not. You're just controlling the messed up Cloud. Once he wakes up, you the player can no longer make his cholera.

Which means all that time spent woeing Aerith or being a jerk, or whatever choices you made weren't really his wants. But the Highwind scene IS him making a choice. It was honestly the best story/game design compound I've ever seen

"A bacterial disease causing severe diarrhea and dehydration, usually spread in water?" I can't make Cloud do that or is it I can't control his libido anymore?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Lol sorry I'm typing from phone and it corrects like everything I don't want it to. Its *choices

[RulesofNature]

Lol sorry I'm typing from phone and it corrects like everything I don't want it to. Its *choices

Hmm. Once Cloud rediscovers who he is the player no longer gets to make choices concerning his dialogue, establishing who Cloud is rather than what the player wants him to be. Nice. Kinda reminds me of Raiden in Metal Gear Solid 2.

 

Sasuke never really reminded me of anyone in FF to be honest. When I think of characters like Sasuke, I think of Big Boss. Snake Eater pretty much summarizes Sasuke until he find out the truth of the Uchiha massacre.

[rocci]

final fantasy xv ripped off minato's flying thunder god as well minus the tagging

Minato flying thunder god is a rip off from goku teleportation. Kind a like rasengan is genki dama.

@james
Goku teleportation is op. It's much more powerful than minato because you don't need tool and there's no limit of range.
Naruto should learn fuuinjutsu first before that. He's an uzumaki afterall.

Edited by rocci, 07 December 2017 - 11:07 PM.