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#31241 Nefertieh

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Posted 21 July 2023 - 07:54 AM

 
That whole comment from Kishi never really sat well with me, it was always a rather odd thing and really didn't set a great precedent as an author.

Some of the things he said after the ending was so cringe. I feel like hes someone whod see the world like Andrew Tate. Oh, a woman giving up on her feelings, thats wrong, shes low value!

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1. Her daughter may have some daddy issues, but she is still the most likeable of the new main cast. Mitsuki, Orochimaru's son is just Sai with worshiping Boruto being his entire character; he is the second most positively received. Kawaki is Sasuke but the author's avatar this time. And, Boruto is a spoiled Naruto with behavior you can see a lot in fanfic that try to 'fix' Naruto and make him better; IE he whines and has hissy fits non-stop while thinking he better and more morally right than anyone else. Comparatively, Sarada is Sakura 2.0  with all her flaws removed (not saying that is a good thing,) her daddy issue are understandable as well as being delt with quickly unlike Boruto's which just drag on, and she has a goal of being Hokage. Comapred to her teammates' wants: to be her top enforcer because Boruto thinks Sasuke is cool, Mitsiki's just continuing to worship Boruto, and Kawaki's...something something kill Boruto which if he wasn't so stupid I be very supportive of.
 
It also helps that she is the best parent of the main cast, besides Orochimaru: Sasuke literally avoided his family for 12 years, Naruto neglected his to focus on his job, and Hinata passively allowed her family situation to get worse.
 
Granted Hinata having everything she ever wanted given to her and still does nothing probably hasn't helped her. When her defenders normally relied on pity because she was clearly the most oppressed character ever.
 
2. I always took that statement to be something his editors and assistance said in arguments to convince him to go with nH/SS. "Kishimoto-sensei, Sakura can't abandon her love for Sasuke or the fans will see her as a terrible woman." Not helped that is also the clear line of thought that exist in the Last. It is what Sakura's speech to Naruto boils down to. He said it in an interview because that's what he was convinced his fans believed, and what the Last was based on. Of course that backfired, especially in Japan. Of course, it not who said it first but is heard saying it that gets the blame, and he really should have never said it in the first place.


I didnt read the one-shot, I feel like Minakushi is narusaku-baiting. Ive been burnt too badly perhaps.

1. Thanks for the breakdown of Baruto, I dont follow it closely. I just meant Sakura, a girl who wanted love her whole life, ended up with an incomplete family.

2. Perhaps Kishi was influenced from other people, but ultimately, hes responsible for what he did. Nobody wouldve believed me if I went back in time and I told people that the author literally handed the ending of their own manga to an animation studio.

Edited by Nefertieh, 21 July 2023 - 08:09 AM.

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Posted 21 July 2023 - 08:00 PM

the reason they're so similar is because minato and kushina was kishimoto's wife's idea and she's similar to sakura



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Posted 21 July 2023 - 10:06 PM

the reason they're so similar is because minato and kushina was kishimoto's wife's idea and she's similar to sakura


…And Kishimoto’s wife was disappointed Naruto ended up with Hinata. Then Kishimoto his wife felt better when he said Hinata was based off of her.

It makes no sense when even Minato even said Sakura resembles Kushina. But no, Kishi’s explanation was that narusaku moments were just a red herring.
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Posted 22 July 2023 - 12:01 AM

I honestly missed the whole aspect of the characters actually feeling like Ninjas.

Cause we just completely threw that out the window when we got like mid way through the timeskip.

from ninja and demons to god damn aliens quite the leap



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Posted 22 July 2023 - 12:02 AM

…And Kishimoto’s wife was disappointed Naruto ended up with Hinata. Then Kishimoto his wife felt better when he said Hinata was based off of her.

It makes no sense when even Minato even said Sakura resembles Kushina. But no, Kishi’s explanation was that narusaku moments were just a red herring.

pretty sure him saying she was hinata was bs and for disfuse the situtaion with her



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Posted 22 July 2023 - 01:33 AM

pretty sure him saying she was hinata was bs and for disfuse the situtaion with her


Yeah she didn't buy it and it lead to so tension in the house

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Posted 22 July 2023 - 02:27 AM

Yeah she didn't buy it and it lead to so tension in the house

Hell, Oda (whose friends with Kishimoto) pointed out that his wife looks like Sakura/Kushina.


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Posted 22 July 2023 - 02:38 AM

Hell, Oda (whose friends with Kishimoto) pointed out that his wife looks like Sakura/Kushina.



I remember that, and it was just really to see what happened with the ending.

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Posted 22 July 2023 - 11:26 AM

Yeah she didn't buy it and it lead to so tension in the house


Really? Thats news to me. Do you have a source?
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Posted 22 July 2023 - 01:04 PM

And Kishimotos wife was disappointed Naruto ended up with Hinata. Then Kishimoto his wife felt better when he said Hinata was based off of her.

It makes no sense when even Minato even said Sakura resembles Kushina. But no, Kishis explanation was that narusaku moments were just a red herring.

Well he tried to make her feel better which didn't work 😂

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Posted 22 July 2023 - 01:07 PM

https://youtu.be/0cWTmV3WmVk
I applaud shonen jump for embracing ns bait and combining it with minato's team. It could be worse they could have done a project about itachi and sasusaku even though there is plenty of content about that already. I don't even think the pro shippers are enjoying the forced storytelling boruto came from

Edited by totherpage95, 22 July 2023 - 01:10 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2023 - 03:44 PM

Really? Thats news to me. Do you have a source?


From this article here https://www.animenew...omic-con/.94186

Mari Morimoto:
So the fans wanted Naruto to get together with Sakura?

Well, there's definitely camps of fans who felt that way, and there were also those that were very happy he ended up with Hinata. But there were quite passionate opinions on both sides!

I almost caused a rift in my own household too, because my wife was very upset also that Naruto didn't get together with Sakura. In fact, she complained quite vehemently to me!

Jo Otsuki:
Quite few of the female staff at Studio Pierrot that produces the anime, apparently were also upset.

Whoah. So how did you handle that, especially with your wife?

I tried to defuse the situation by assuring my wife that SHE was actually the model for Hinata. (laughs)

As you were saying that, I thought, I wonder if your family life was more like Hinata and Naruto's family or Sasuke and Sakura's? (everyone laughs)

Masashi Kishiimoto: Well it might not actually be like either. My wife is quite strong as well, she's a strong character.

Oh, so kind of like Sakura!

So I think my wife might secretly realize that Hinata wasn't really the model for her (laughs)

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Posted 22 July 2023 - 04:46 PM

Who knows what is true from the interviews Kishimoto gave around that time. He was saying all kinds of ridiculous things to drum up more drama amongst the fans in those interviews, like Sakura would be a terrible woman if she moved on from Sasuke and that Sasuke was like a drug to her.

 

Also, we don't know how much his wife actually cared about Naruto and it may have been just one off hand comment she made to him about Naruto and Sakura, and Kishimoto thought it would make for good discussion/drama in an interview. Like, I can't see fictional characters and how he wrote them causing any real serious rift in their household, but it is really impossible to know one way or another.
 


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Posted 22 July 2023 - 05:05 PM

Oda also said Masashi liked people like Sakura and he thought she was similar when he met her in real life. I've also heard Nami has some basis on Oda's wife irl but it's true it could be some fanservice since we don't have firsthand evidence. Kishi did write several versions of sakura (rin, tsunade, kushina) and complained in a interview people told him they didn't like sakura so he spent hours drawing a cover or something trying to improve her appearance. apart from Masashi seeming to prefer sakura (more than hinata) seeing as he has a sakura keychain at his drawing desk also his twin brother who's manga seem to have a lot of similarity with his brother's manga also have elements of ns. Masashi also said his wife helped write kushina and minato's story so it seems she was involved in some way (he also married her as he was working on naruto i can't see how she would have no knowledge of what he was doing)


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Posted 22 July 2023 - 06:10 PM

Oda also said Masashi liked people like Sakura and he thought she was similar when he met her in real life. I've also heard Nami has some basis on Oda's wife irl but it's true it could be some fanservice since we don't have firsthand evidence. Kishi did write several versions of sakura (rin, tsunade, kushina) and complained in a interview people told him they didn't like sakura so he spent hours drawing a cover or something trying to improve her appearance. apart from Masashi seeming to prefer sakura (more than hinata) seeing as he has a sakura keychain at his drawing desk also his twin brother who's manga seem to have a lot of similarity with his brother's manga also have elements of ns. Masashi also said his wife helped write kushina and minato's story so it seems she was involved in some way (he also married her as he was working on naruto i can't see how she would have no knowledge of what he was doing)




That is actually pretty true, Oda did marry his wife who cosplayed as nami!

I thought it was pretty sweet. I think he was asked which character he relates to most, and his response was Luffy while for his wife he said nami.


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Posted 23 July 2023 - 03:13 AM

When he said Sakura would be a terrible woman if she move on from Sasuke....

 

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I don't care if it's Japanese culture. I don't care  I get called an SJW or woke... That is the most sexist, vile disgusting thing  I have heard him say.


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Posted 23 July 2023 - 03:35 AM

When he said Sakura would be a terrible woman if she move on from Sasuke....

 

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I don't care if it's Japanese culture. I don't care  I get called an SJW or woke... That is the most sexist, vile disgusting thing  I have heard him say.

It literally has nothing to do with Japanese culture, considering that the Japanese fans were just as baffled and pissed by both the result and his reasoning.  He himself derided the pairings as toxic or done out of pity (in Hinata's case).  It was his dumbass attempt at covering SP and WJS's asses for them because he couldn't just say that "My editors and the animation studio in charge of the production of my manga's adaptation have been gaslighting me about the alleged popularity of this minor character that I barely care about and kept coercing me for years to replace Sakura because they have a bizarre fetish towards her, and wouldn't leave me alone to craft the story as I intended.  Also, they took advantage of the fact that my father just passed so that I would be more emotionally susceptible to their needling." 


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Posted 23 July 2023 - 05:58 PM

Again, I just want to point out that the message Sakura gave in the Last was. "Women are incapable of moving on from their first crush." Also, "Naruto never had any feeling towards anyone until Hinata, and should never have any feeling towards anyone but Hinata; except the children they have together." Now then, remember that the movie was not the work of Kishimoto, but SP, and there is only so much that can be done with a red pen.

 

Both of these are complete opposite of what is even shown in chapter three. Naruto has feeling for Sakura, and the story of Sakura was a girl moving on from her first crush Sasuke to a guy that loves her Naruto.

 

Also in, Sakura's false confession she uses the concept of, "women's' feeling changing like the seasons," to explain why she was over Sasuke and in love with Naruto. This is clearly a phrase know and used by the Japanese, so the concept of women moving on from their first crush isn't a foreign concept to them either.



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Posted 23 July 2023 - 08:57 PM

Again, I just want to point out that the message Sakura gave in the Last was. "Women are incapable of moving on from their first crush." Also, "Naruto never had any feeling towards anyone until Hinata, and should never have any feeling towards anyone but Hinata; except the children they have together." Now then, remember that the movie was not the work of Kishimoto, but SP, and there is only so much that can be done with a red pen.

 

Both of these are complete opposite of what is even shown in chapter three. Naruto has feeling for Sakura, and the story of Sakura was a girl moving on from her first crush Sasuke to a guy that loves her Naruto.

 

Also in, Sakura's false confession she uses the concept of, "women's' feeling changing like the seasons," to explain why she was over Sasuke and in love with Naruto. This is clearly a phrase know and used by the Japanese, so the concept of women moving on from their first crush isn't a foreign concept to them either.

not even sp's normal writer they hired some romance tv person who knew nothing about naruto :laughcry:
 



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Posted 23 July 2023 - 09:18 PM

It literally has nothing to do with Japanese culture, considering that the Japanese fans were just as baffled and pissed by both the result and his reasoning.  He himself derided the pairings as toxic or done out of pity (in Hinata's case).  It was his dumbass attempt at covering SP and WJS's asses for them because he couldn't just say that "My editors and the animation studio in charge of the production of my manga's adaptation have been gaslighting me about the alleged popularity of this minor character that I barely care about and kept coercing me for years to replace Sakura because they have a bizarre fetish towards her, and wouldn't leave me alone to craft the story as I intended.  Also, they took advantage of the fact that my father just passed so that I would be more emotionally susceptible to their needling." 

I mean think about it: when SP asked kishi to do a filler arc in the war he came up with that ninja asking sakura out and him asking if the guy she likes was a great person (and you see sakura having this unsure expression). I really think he was attempting to show naruto fans that sakura loving sasuke wasn't a good thing. also he spent the rest of the war arc having sakura have a fake smile when she was around sasuke to the point where sai noticed it and on top of that had the part where karin and sakura went and saved sasuke and naruto respectively and of course the toxic behavior and rejection sasuke gave sakura







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