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#990999 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on Yesterday, 09:11 PM

Crimson Fox, the assistant is Ikemoto that "volunteered" to work on the Boruto manga, which is a massive failure. However he has been dealing with a burden that should have been Kishi's for the past ten years. To openly stab him in the back would pretty much blacklist him from the industry as no one would be able to trust working for him. If there is to be a rewrite of the ending it has to be handled carefully. Granted I get the increasing feeling that the various companies are tired of Boruto's poor performance.

 

For stories it always best to go for a simple answer only going more elaborate when the simple doesn't fit.

 

No matter what it quite clear that Kishimoto didn't really look into his fanbase, more than he was told by others, till after the ending.

 

Just so everyone understands Slam Dunk is considered THE SHOUNEN SPORTS MANGA. The one that set the standard that all sports manga follow after. It also still one of the most profitable manga ever and I think still in the top ten. It was huge in the 90s.

 

Phantom/Kagomaru, people don't like the rug pull out from under them. If they get invested in a story they want a satisfying pay off. Part of that for romance if a manga spend years building up a couple they expect them to get together. That not happening greatly annoys the sexually frustrated Japanese.




#990995 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 17 March 2024 - 06:08 PM

Other, Kishimoto has never mentioned the Dragon Quest anime you watched as his primary inspiration for Naruto in any interview. He has mentioned that the NartuoXSasukeXSakura dynamics were based off of Slam Dunk. Which I assume you have not watch/read. Hanamichi Sakuragi was a dumb punk that falls in love with Haruko Akagi an avid basketball fan that has a crush on the ace's of her high school's basketball team the gifted Kaeda Rukawa. To win her affection Sakuragi joins the team and is rivals with Rukawa. In Slam Dunk, none of them end up together at the end. Rukawa was never interested in Akagi, and Sakuragi eventually became more interested in focusing on basketball. So if Haruko got together with Sakuragi, She would have been Haruko Sakuragi. Haruno, Sakura.

 

Crimson Fox, it is clear that you have given a lot of time to thinking deeply into why the ending happen, and you hope that Kishimoto's reasonings were just as deep to justify your contemplations.

 

The simple truth is this. Kishimoto did not have any long term story with tons of intricacies. His story is quite simple. For most of the characters of Naruto, unless they managed to hold his interest, their initial story was all they were going to get. 

 

For Sakura that means, near the end of the manga she would discover that Naruto was the one that gave her the forehead comment and fall in love with him. Of course plans change, as there was a change in how girls are portrayed in shounen, going from rarely fighting and mainly just hit the main character comically, to can and will fight while still hitting the main character comically, but that meant Kishimoto never really knew what to do with her beyond that. As he never fully understood the change nor embraced it.

 

Yahagi was Kishimoto's editor until right before the Pein arc. He was his editor for about 10 years when the average is 2. After Yahagi, Kishimoto went through 14 different editors in 5 years. Rumors have it that after Yahagi his next editor was a big fan of Hinata even wanting her to become the love interest/heroine and was the one pushing her to have the scenes she got in the Pein arc.

 

You seem to think that just because they didn't get together after the Rescue Gaara arc that Kishimoto abandoned it right then and there. When again, it was more him wanting them to get together at the end of the manga. If they did end the pairing at that arc. Why did Sakura have the moment when Naruto was in 4-tails? Why did she try to feed him ramen after the Shikamaru arc? Why she hug him after Pein? Why did she keep having scenes like that till near the end of the manga? The answer is again, they were suppose to get together until Kishimoto was 'convinced' to change it at the last minute.

 

Sakura is Kishimoto's type. He married a woman that everyone says is very like Sakura.

 

Kishimoto has said multiple times he does not get the appeal of Hinata, but went with her because he was told she was what the fans wanted. He understand why people like SS and thinks it's cliche. That might have changed after seeing how far Naruto-Boruto has fallen, but he can't do anything right now without it look like he is stabbing his former assistant in the back.

 

As for the Japanese fanbase...what has happened to Star Wars is a good analogue. Naruto's manga average sale was 3.47 million. Boruto averages out at around 100k. The SS manga got about 50K. Most of the Japanese fanbase either understand that the ending was a move to appease the Western Fanbase, or just assume it was his intention. Either way most have moved on with only nH and SS really staying around, with SS being the larger one by far.




#990959 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 02 March 2024 - 11:12 PM

@Bail I know it wasn't the first one, but it's the first one that I've heard about actually being liked by people.

 

That is true the quality in the west as I said really took a massive nosedive that even something mediocre is viewed as good.

 

Imagine people liking a woman for looking like a woman, and not a man. :D What a world we live in.

 

The Naruto movie I just find it too late and not what we or "Naruto" needed. It just feels like once again them reading the room wrong and not bothering to listen.

 

The last part, I don't even know what to say dude. In a world of DEI and ESG what you said fits like a glove. And it's likely.

 

 

@Blue So it does look like they actually did something well. Again I've only heard from people who didn't follow the manga and also got tired of the decline in stories in these past years in entertainment.

Just making sure. It is the only one they have done that hasn't bombed.

 

The problem is that the decline is somewhat intentional and somewhat going too far by accident.

 

BlackRock and Vanguard are two major investment companies. One of their owners has said multiple times that he wants to control the media people view, so he can change their world views; into what he wants it to be. Western Media Companies go along with it because by this point they are full of useless risk-averse executives without an ounce of creativity, and the investment companies are offering guaranteed money for any project they agree with. They hire non-straight white male people regardless of skill, talent, or experience maybe worse in spite of a lack of it; to produce media for "the modern audience." Of course they are informed they have only been hired because they are not straight white males, and just to produce anything. So they barely put any effort into it or lack the talent, skill, or experience to make anything good. Often times this so call "modern audience" is just themselves. 

 

In short. The investment company just gives them the money, the company spends the money while not bothering with any quality control, and the staff half ass it. So they produce products no one wants beyond themselves. This 'worked' for awhile, when the economy was good, but now its collapsing and the investment company can't give the media companies enough money to say afloat.

 

The thing is just because they produce something to lower the standards of the customers. Doesn't mean everyone lowers their standards and blindly consume their product. The customer may just refuse to buy and take their money elsewhere. While also being happy when another comes along and respect them by giving them what they want.

 

For an example. One of the things they want to change is the standards of beauty. They think the current media makes women too unrealistically beautiful and wants to make them more "realistic." How the West goes about it in video games is taking a model based on a real woman and make the character deliberately ugly. People are able to both question & criticize this by just finding a photo of the model they uglified. When they were just suppose to accept the character as what someone actually looks like, and suppose to consider beautiful.

 

One of the hot games coming out is Stellar Blade. Which has an attractive woman in a tight cyber-suit. People including Western game developers accuse it of being sexist and the female character being obviously fake. The Korean developers show that the model is mostly one to one between the real life model and the character model.

 

Now onto Naruto. This Lionsgate movie was 'started' ten years ago. Nothing happened till now, because of the collapse of Naruto's popularity after the ending; until One Piece LA happened. Then likely the narrative of, "hey, One Piece was this obscure anime no one knew about and look how successful it adaptation was. What if we do a live action of Naruto the King of International sales for anime?" Nos, you said most of the people you know that keep talking about One Piece weren't fans of the anime or manga. Why can't the same happen for Naruto? Now will it work?...who knows.




#990949 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 24 February 2024 - 01:04 AM

Looks like with have an actual update on the live action naruto movie in that the guy who did shang chi is do it https://www.google.c...1235833511/amp/

...So the guy that did that Marvel movie that was a love letter to China, which was largely considered average/mediocre and forgettable. Well, the cast might actually be/have Asians, instead of vaguely ethnic brown people. So will awkwafina be playing Sakura or Hinata? Since, she is the young Asian actress/singer/comedian they keep shoving into everything.

 

 

Since, I know nothing else about the guy. I assume Naruto will be remade, "for modern audiences," and it will at best be average and forgettable.




#990935 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 11 February 2024 - 04:24 PM

I think you need some deaths in for some suspense otherwise the conflict wouldn't look threatening. Heck it could even just be some recurring minor characters like those minor leaf chunin or jonin we see, some of the relatives like hiashi dying to protect neji and hinata or at least maybe knowing because he is old. As for the case with guy would of served the mentor death for Lee to grow and frankly naruto nre healing power made sakura look irrelevant for alot of people.

The problem with the War arc isn't a lack of death, its the lack of meaning. Who cares if a character lives or dies if they do not matter in the story?

 

From what I recall didn't the manga say like 50,000 ninja died during the war. Did those deaths make the story more meaningful, threatening, realistic, and so on? No? That is because, those death's didn't matter. A big problem in Naruto is a lot of the characters (even fan favorites) do not matter. You can kill off 99% of the cast if you want and it won't affect the story that much because they are just that unimportant.

 

So If I were to change something about the war arc, it wouldn't be to have more characters die. Its to do what I posted above; to have the cast have their final trials to show their growth and what they are going to do after the story is over.




#990932 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 09 February 2024 - 02:25 PM

So no deaths in the war, including might guy?

Yes. For Guy he lived to show off Naruto's new power he got from the sage. OK.

 

Now what you are suggesting. Instead he died. OK. Its doesn't change that much in the story. Even the sequel. I guess people will call it deep meaningful realistic some other buzz word, that he died after giving his all fighting Madara but he was done either way in his involvement in the story. So his life and death is an unimportant coin flip by that point.

 

The problem with the War arc isn't the lack of death; its that it is largely pointless filler fights. The war again should have been the final trial for the cast; strengthens their resolve to do whatever they are going to to after the story. The problem is the cast is so underutilized and underdeveloped it didn't happen, but it also doesn't matter if they lived or die because they don't have much of an impact on the story either way.

 

Neji's death matters because was one of the few characters with a story and his death allowed his intended fiancé to latch on to the only other story she had; her feelings towards the main character.




#990930 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 09 February 2024 - 12:01 AM

I meant who should have died in the war in general, not only among the k11

And again for a third time, none. They all should had an individual reform that they wanted to work on to change the ninja system. Kishimoto didn't develop them, so most never really had any reforms they wanted to work on. So the ending and the sequel had to scramble to give some for them to do. But that failure doesn't mean the cast needs to die.

 

A character journey's end does not only mean the only path is their death. It can just be the completion of a goal.




#990928 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 08 February 2024 - 02:02 AM

Again, as Nos said. The thing is the none of the K11 should have died during the war arc. The war arc should have been the cast final challenge that strengthen their resolve to go about their individual reforms. The problem is they are so underdeveloped and underutilized that it doesn't happen. So, the War arc is largely filler to pad out the manga's length.

 

Here is an obvious example of what should have happen with Neji. Hinata's and Neji's fathers fight it out. Hinata's father loses to his brother due to some reason. Neji and Hinata step in. Neji shows off moves that are only taught to the clan's heir. His father realizes that his brother is grooming his son to be the next clan head by marrying Hinata. After he is defeated and is being seal away. His brother, son and future daughter in law all show their resolve to reform the clan. Yes, it makes clear by this point Hinata should have moved on from Naruto. He thanks and forgives his brother, apologizes to Hinata, and gives some fatherly advice to Neji; all the while lamenting he won't be able to go to their wedding but he will be watching and always be with them.

 

Here is one for Sakura. She fights Naurto's grandmother, that as a joke looks exactly like a mature version of his sexy jutsu minus the whiskers marks. This leads into two jokes during the fight one, Sakura constantly thinking about how she will never let Naruto use that jutsu again because it will embarrass their...I mean his daughters and two, how there is no way she is Naruto's grandmother as that would make the Fourth his father and Naruto would have told her about something that big. Grandma Namikaze didn't approve of Minato and Kushina and hopes they didn't get together before she died young; when Sakura finally just asks if Minato knew any girl from the Uzumaki clan. Which annoys Sakura, causing her to fight harder to defend her man...wait not man; she meant friend, just friends. When she is defeated and being sealed away Naruto comes in, she instantly realizes that he is her grandson, and through some quick banter between him and Sakura realizes she is her future granddaughter in law even if Sakura won't admit it yet.




#990918 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 06 February 2024 - 12:05 AM

What Nos said. Anyways, its not like most of them are that involved enough in the manga story to add anything beyond shock value; beside Shikamaru.

 

Who would care if Kiba or Shino died?

 

Hinata's death would mainly just be to end "her story." So, her obsessive fans working in the anime staff can no longer keep trying to make her the core of the story.

 

Chouji? Kishimoto already killed Asuma for Shikamaru's growth.

 

Lee was pretty much replace by Gai in part two; so why bother.

 

Tenten is not that important; besides the Lee Spin off manga.

 

I guess Ino the only one because her death would affect Sakura.




#990830 Boruto: Two Blue Vortex Chapter (8)1

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 12 December 2023 - 12:29 AM

Holy, there is some takes in that thread, even fans of it call for Infinite Tsukuyomi reboot, lol

And 90k sales for 20th volume? Not horrible, but it's surely not a heavy-hitter from Naruto days at all.

It is average for most manga, far below average for a Shounen jump manga to the point it probably would have been cancelled long ago if it wasn't protected, and an embarrassment for a sequel to a story that was once #2 of all manga IPs.

 

I think it has started to sink in that while part two despite being better than part one. Mainly due decent pacing and seeming to have something of a plot this time. Is still going to be a dull waste of time, at best. It is going to be Bolt fighting those tree-men, Nail still trying to kill Bolt for stupid reasons at this point, Punk being a nuisance, and none of the characters people care about mattering, again. So, it would be better to just reset than waste another 3-4 years on this failure.




#990815 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 05 December 2023 - 04:39 AM

Well you can't fix what's already broken beyond repair. And this goes for Netflix and doing a live action Naruto, its going to flop big time but again if they do make Naruto and Sasuke gay for each other. Well we can have a great time laughing at the NH fans who will most likely have a fit over this.

More funny if Hinata gets cut out altogether since this is a female director doing this and yeah look at what woke feminists have done recently to others franchise.

The only way to fix Naruto-Boruto is to reset before Boruto existed. Even the supporters of nH/SS know that, and Boruto has existed for as long as their parings have been canon. The pairings will depend on the writing staff.

 

A female character with Hinata's level of notoriety getting cut? Hollywood does not remove female characters they have a problem with, they 'modernized' them.

 

Like I said before, 'what they do with Hinata largely depends on, do the women in the writing staff see themselves in her?' Granted even they don't, they will just change her into them. In doing so, they will probably see parts of Hinata as sexist (her breast/submissiveness/devotion towards Naruto) and remove them, while highlighting the parts they like (the anime version of her charge against Pein with less focus on Naruto, her fight against Neji with less cheering from Naruto, and slapping Naruto after Neji died.) RTN-Hinata is a very likely possibility of what a live action Hinata will be.




#990804 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 01 December 2023 - 04:14 AM

 I think you are going a bit over the top with the woke stuff there. At best I can see them making naruto and sasuke gay, because of how that writing made it look that way and in kohona team gai and the hyuga will probably be more portrayed by Asian actors given they are based on those cultures.

There will probably be more diversity found when the do ninja from other villages because they are from other countries I feel at best or at least do background character that are more diverse or just minor characters no one will care about.

Though even if all the live actions relationships are gay, it be a lot better than the canon romance unless they put in effort to change the romance, though given lionsgate is the same studio that did twilight I'm not hopeful in this aspect

There are now possibly two live action adaptation going on right now. The Lionsgate movie and the Netflix tv show, because of the success of One Piece.

 

I was being very moderate with my prediction going off trends in modern adaptations.

 

The cast being Asian is surprisingly unlikely. I avoided race prediction besides Naruto and Sasuke mostly because it is a toss up to what ever the director/writer/producer thinks will be the most progressive and virtuous in order to receive praise and accolades at Hollywood parties. Mostly Blacks and Browns, "in order to reflect the world we live in today." Asian aren't really seen as that progressive for casting.

 

Ideally: The Leaf would be Asian mainly Japanese, White, or a homogenous mix. Sand village Desert Asian, or Mideastern & Mediterranean. Cloud village Americans. Rock village Chinese, Korean, and Asian that live in mountainous regions. Mist village Rural Japanese judging by how their village looks or Pacific islanders.

 

But those would prevent the random blacks and browned skin people of various ethnicities that must be in every shot to show how virtuous the directors/writers/producers are and how they are morally superior to both the audience and the creator.  

 

As for me going through which of the cast might be gay in an adaptation. Modern Hollywood writers do not believe male friendship can exist; if two guys are close, they must be gay. And with all the male friendships in Naruto that is a lot of gay couples in the eyes of modern Hollywood. Also to balance out all the men being gay. Clearly some of the women must be lesbians. Sakura and Hinata might be straight. So that means Ino and Tenten got to be the lesbian couple, and since Tenten is the most sporty looking of the girls they may make her trans as well; so they also have a trans character. 

 

As for what Lionsgate might do. Well if they look at Sasuke they would see they have another Edward Cullen which means that would have another Twilight Series. Now then the question to go with SNS or SS? Which lead a question of what they think will either get them more money or accolades?

 

Right now to your response to Therece since they ramble I find it best to break up your response in sections to better focus a response.

 You haven't been on twitter then, you still see ss and nh shippers trying dismiss or undermine narusaku. Also I have seen a lot more what if narusaku videos on YouTube.

Boruto uninteresting and the pairing are a bust. More interesting to talk about what ifs at this point than what is.

 Naruto wasn't really a flat character, unfortunately he got a bit flanderised in part 2 for chasing after sasuke too much.

Boruto is a by product of the problematic aspects of how nh and ss became canon and you can't ignore that. Hence, gaiden pretty much show how problematic the ss family dynamic is and can only be resolved with a cop out or ignore it.

Pretty sure metal Lee has become non existent compared to sadara who at least still shows up.

Metal Lee hasn't been in the manga since...he may have hanged out with the guys playing cards, years ago. Part of the problem is his teammates are two anime original character that have never been seen in the manga. Both who are suppose to be close friends of Bolt. Salad has a role as Bolt's maiden who has complete faith in him, she doesn't have much outside of that role.

 

Naruto isn't a flat character but he does stop developing as a character around chapter 500. And, there were problems that needed to be address: what would he do as hokage, how was he going to end the cycle of hatred, and why should we care about the chase for Sasuke?

 

The gaiden also gave more hints to nH's family issues as well which were then shown in the movie. But the origins can be seen in chapter 700. Neither Naruto nor Sasuke are ever home and their children resent them for it. But originally, it was easy to assume at least Sasuke may visit from time to time. Then in the Gaiden written by Kishimoto, "Nope, he has never visited them in 12 years. Instead, he has a meeting place outside the village; when he wants to rendezvous with Naruto. In order to make sure, he never has to meet with his so called family." The spin off manga with fanfiction level of writing didn't help, as it showed, "that Sakura clearly gone insane with Sasuke being constantly gone, that she fantasizes about using edo tensei on him, so they can be together; forever."

nH barely has any development and only had a view overrated hype moments that the anime bloated up, while sasusaku at best had a few moments in part 1 however is undermined by part 2 and have a large part of the fandom that hates the ship as a result.

That's because there was 698 chapters of development ruined and ss becoming canon did ruin Sakura's character, yes there where some that hated her but most blamed kishimoto and the editors.

Narusaku has the most development and interactions between a male and female cast and also the one that has the parallels to it. While it may not be as important as naruto's bond with sasuke, it was arguably the second most important relationship to naruto and the story.

In theory in order of importance. It should be. The growing romance of NaruSaku simply because they constantly interact with each other the most since neither leave the village and were suppose to get together. The rivalry of NaruSasu to justify the chase. Then the tragic misunderstanding of SasuSaku that causes problems for both itself and the other relationships.

 

As her pleads to Sasuke were suppose to show the readers. The bench scene left Sakura with a misunderstanding of Sasuke. She thought he secretly liked her, which he didn't. This prevented her from forming a true bond with him, therefore be unable to convince him to remain in the village. Because she thought he would love her enough to not leave, which he didn't. Since he only saw her as an annoying teammate that he gain some level of fondness during their time together on team 7, but not love more importantly not love strong enough to overrule his desire for revenge.

Sounds more like you are blinded by ss and nh popularity that you don't want to admit their development was poor compared to narusaku.

They seemed to be utterly convinced that Sakura was never thrown away or lost her heroine status...even though Kishimoto said she did due to being too hated. They based this belief on the fact that SS got a spin off manga. Which they assume is because the pairing is so popular and successful. When it could be easily that the companies got sick of Boruto's poor performance. That they decided to check, if the pairings they went with were actually what they were promised they would be, and came up short.

The editors and the hinata fandom are often blamed because there were interviews shown that they influenced kishimoto's decisions of the story's ending. He maybe the author, but he clearly allowed himself to be influenced by them, heck even Yahagi told him not to as a final advice from what I hear.

Doesn't matter if ss fans liked the ship since the beginning in part 1 as I said before part 2 destroyed the reputation of their ship outside their fandom and Sakura's character. Not seeing Naruto as an option just means they blinded themselves to the development that narusaku was having. Plus frankly I find a lot of ss fans self inserting themselves into the ship so you have no right to accuse narusaku fans of treating Sakura a trophy wife.

Whether you like or not Sakura's heroine status was tied to her being naruto's love interest, because that how the story set it up and when she wasn't her role was reduced to the point she no longer appears in the sequel series and at best shows up in a filler or two and some spin offs.

Naruto pretty much set up the heroine in the romantic interest like most Hollywood stories and usa superhero comics do. This could of been different if sakura was set up as the best friend or rival, however sasuke had those 2 roles or she was naruto's sister but she's not no matter how much the ss fandom tried to play on this.

Not everyone who votes for sakura in those polls are sasusaku fans, there are fans who multi ship, crack ship, just generally like her and even narusaku. So no I wouldn't count sasusaku fan alone for her popularity, because its not enough to get he back into the boruto story.

Sakura only appeared in Boruto when Kishimoto was busy with his Samurai 8 manga. Once he was back, she was gone again. And only her teenage version was in the story of that Ninja storm game.

 

The Last made it clear that Naruto was Hinata's trophy husband, as Sasuke was Sakura's. They were rewards for the girls' devotion towards doing nothing; just as the position of Hokage and possibly Boruto are for Sarada.

 

The big poll at the start of this year was as most hype for a Naruto poll in the past ten years. With the promise the winner would get their own one-shot. With people voting all over the world. Taking months to collect votes. A random poll conducted by some random Japanese site from 11/14/23 to 11/18/23 mostly targeting late 20 year old women can't really compare to it.




#990799 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 30 November 2023 - 04:41 AM

Still in that denial?

Don't even try to think that the current Naruto fandom cares about NaruSaku or hates Boruto because NS wasn't canon, because even SS, Sasuke, Sakura, and NH fans hate Boruto too.

Not as much as you are. Granted not many could have denial to the levels you do.

 

And Boruto spawned from nH/SS. Do you think its a good thing that Boruto is clearly disliked and unsuccessful? It affect nH/SS too in the eyes of the executives. Since, Boruto was a core part of nH/SS happening. When it has problems they get the blame too.

 

When NS was the main pairing Naruto was one of the biggest most financially successful manga IP out there. Once it switched to nH/SS, it quickly became yesterday's news.

 

Naruto is the type of manga where all the colors in the story would come from the people, villains and cast around him because Naruto have has a kind of a flat character arc.

Thats why you have so many fandoms in Naruto, characters, clans, pairings and fights more popular than Naruto's character and things relateds to him.
 
Boruto manga is 100% Boruto-Centric to the detriment of other characters and fanbases
When Ikemoto made Boruto say "it's his story" and announced the sequel, everyone thought it was an exciting new story, like he would have wanted to say "it's a new story/adventure for the original characters that everyone loves and the new generation.". But unfortunately, no, it was just a Boruto-centric story where the entire cast are pathetic, nerfed characters and NPCs.

Naruto didn't really focus on its bloated cast. Kishimoto would introduce a character, maybe do something with them in an arc, and then forget about them once that arc was over. Only a handful of the cast were able to keep Kishimoto's interest; so he actually did anything with them.

 

Hell even the main cast Team 7 suffered from this. Sakura barely received any of the focus she needed, he actively kept Kakashi suppressed, Yamato was forgotten about, and Sai was reduced very quickly to the NS shipper of the cast. Sasuke the only one that escaped from it in part due to his obsession with the final clash meaning he had to justify why the chase went on for so long and why Sasuke didn't just return to the village. Naruto even suffered and to the detriment for you more then us. As the lack of focus of what he would do once he became Hokage made achieving it hollow, he annoyed most people with his chase after Sasuke, since that barely explored anything which quickly made it very dull, and the Last showed even his personality was based on lies upon lies destroyed his reputation & appeal.

 

The character focus in Boruto is a waste of time not because it doesn't have some bloated cast, but because they are focusing on the wrong character. Bolt's dream is to be Salad's enforcer. Sarada is the one they needed to focus on not Boruto. Who cares about his stupid bond of bros with Kawaki, when the goal of the main character hasn't even been touched upon yet.

Ikemoto, or whoever the true writer is, does not know how to create an organic story where all the characters come together. He only has Boruto's story in mind, and everyone else is just a prop for it, which is very detrimental to Boruto's character and his story.

 
No one is going to sit thru watching Boruto as a black hole stu Character with his cringeynes that has been reused so many times in the Manga that ultimate destroyed its own manga in the making when its only catering to  1 type of the new Boruto fans. Boruto exemplifies how an black hole stu protagonist and bad author can ruin everything and everyone around him.
 
People wanted more of the Naruto cast, not Boruto . It was sad to see so much hype dying out, but it was bound to happen because Boruto the movie was popular because of Sasuke and Naruto as a adults, not because of Boruto.
Gaiden's focus was also Sarada, Sasuke and Sakura as a whole with Orochimaru as a cameo and Naruto around, not just Sarada alone. Nobody wanted to see Boruto doing random kitten outside the original characters.
 

They wanted to have a sequel that was still in Konoha with all the well known characters around to keep the old fans interested in the sequel. The way they did it was by nerfing the heck out Sasuke and Naruto vanish with Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Orochimaru and the entire original cast and Boruto and Kawaki (Who is this guy?!) receiving stupid powerups.

Sasuke and Sakura's daughter and the only Uchiha in the next gen is so badly treated and ignored.
(Another reason for  SS fans hates even more this sequel)
Boruto manga didn't follow up on a lot of the plots that Naruto manga made. It's simply trash. 

Guess you are hearing hype for part two dying out already, not surprised.

 

The problem is that it's all a waste of time because by the end, Bolt's will become Salad's enforcer, but she has had so little focus; no one should care when it happens.

 

Now hold on, if there is a character that has consumed the manga; it isn't Bolt, surprisingly, it is Nail. Have you read the manga? Granted. Yes, Bolt is a gary stu super being that is more powerful than any Naruto character, but again the character that consumed the plot is Nail. Because, he is Ikemoto's character.

 

Those fans got wanted, nH and SS happened. For those pairings to happened the companies were promised a sequel that would make them money. They didn't get what they want. So their patience holding up a failing brand is wearing thin. Hence why Ikemoto was told to speed up part one. If part two doesn't make them happy, what happens to those pairings? As they are not making the money NS used to make back in the day.

 

They should have went with a 200 years or so timeskip, with a different MC unrelated to Naruto/Sasuke similar to the Legend of Kora. It would be more bearable to the fandom.

My opinion of your idea moving the story forward centuries to do a sequel is the same whenever I hear that mentioned in other fandoms. It shows how damaged the story is, because if you have to move the story that far forward; you are basically resetting the setting & the story. That means the franchise is damaged. And, since you think that should have happened after nH/SS happened. You on some subconscious level know; that it damaged the story, that the story can't move forward without resetting.

 

Korra was the next Avatar in the cycle. Last Airbender was Avatar Aang dealing with the mistakes of Avatar Roku. Korra dealt with the results of Aang's actions as his successor.

 

SS and even NH have a substantial amount of manga development and content, enough to cultivate a a very big and dedicated fanbase. Their supporters are just as passionate about their pairings as you are about NaruSaku.

 
I can still recall the denial and Sakura bashing, with statements like "NaruSaku has 698 chapters of development, and Sakura was ruined and we hate her now." 
 
Completely wrong, the manga isn't  about NaruSaku. Half of these chapter were about Sasuke and fights. 
SS and even NH have their fair share of meaningful chapters and scenes.
 
Your insistence on NaruSaku's superiority blinds you to the development and scenes of rival characters and couples. It's time to let go of your bitterness from losing the pairing wars nine years ago. 
 
If NaruSaku or Hinata were to win something , many of you would revel in gloating over your rivals and proclaiming Kishimoto's mistake in the ending or blaming it on the "evil editors and Hinata fans." (Remember, Kishimoto is the author, and he's not bound by anyone's demands.)

The manga is about Naruto's journey to become hokage and his journey as a ninja with his teammates; Team 7. Bringing Sasuke back to the village and team 7 is a part of the story. Then, it was abandoned at the last second for Hinata.

 

People having problems with the story after the ending turning into a mess is reasonable. Especially, since even you think the story should be reset after nH/SS happened, even though you are happy with the pairings.

 

Also this seemed to be a major concern for the old NaruSaku fans in this forum, who always wondered why Kishimoto chose Hinata over her as Naruto's partner and why Sakura was so unpopular, completely ignoring the SasuSaku and the Sakura fans who have liked both Sakura and Sasuke since Part 1 and never considered Naruto as an option for her or doesn't give a danm about Hinata getting Naruto  because Sakura’s heroine status isn’t tied to spreading her legs or becomes a trophy to Naruto.

They keep asking, because they hope there is a better answer than. "He did it because his editors told them Hinata was more popular internationally than Sakura. Who was apparently too hated to be the heroine. So, then she was given to Sasuke to just put her somewhere." (Which more or less directly from interviews after the ending about what happened.) Not helped, that it backfired so instantaneously on implementation in such a way that was very predictable as it was disastrous, that you hope there was more to it. Than just some bad advice to justify this giant mess.

 

It's amusing that popularity no longer seems to matter now that Sakura has been consistently topping popularity IMPORTANT polls around the world and in Japan as one of the best manga female characters and manga couples.  Unlike Random  old comments from the supposed backslash from NS fans..

 
Yeah, looks like the current fandom doesn't give a danm about NaruSaku and the SasuSaku are enough to turn Sakura beloved. 

99% of the old fanbase is gone. You are not just sitting upon the ashes calling and it a success. You are calling a salted irradiated wasteland a bloody utopia.

 

2/3 of Boruto is already over, and Nothing has happened. You even have shown, they openly admit that they can't even use 2/3 of Boruto for a video game because its too dull and uninteresting.

 

That never happened when NS was the main pairing in Naruto. But it is happening to Boruto when it is a sequel to nH/SS.




#990783 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 27 November 2023 - 02:45 AM

Lol Id laugh so much if they made Naruto and Sasuke gay. We all know what Netflix is like as unlike Oda. Kishi has no balls so he'd do whatever Netflix says.

The time to make a Naruto Live Action was early 2000. 2012 at the latest. Now a day it going to be a mess.

 

They will probably try to make the cast different races, gay, or trans.

 

Naruto: The one that is going to have the most focus on their representation changes as he (even that is probably going to be in question) is the main character. Are they even going to even try to make him have Blue eyes and Blond hair? If he is a minority, they are going to go on and on about how oppressed he is, and if he is white, then he can't complain about it or will get lectures on 'white fragility' or something like that. Then, if the progressive decided that he is "queer coded" and they stick with the canon pairings...Oh the hissy fits that will happen. And, if they even shown the sexy jutsu, then they will also declare him trans.

 

Sasuke: Will probably be fine due to them just needing to make another Kylo Ren/Edward Cullen/Jon Snow. I pity the sap they get in the role though. As he will be stalked after by desperately lonely women for decades. And there will be blood fights between him being gay or not.

 

Sakura: Depends, if they remove her hitting and lecturing Naruto. Either she will be a kitten or they will have to come up with things for her to do so she isn't seen as useless therefore problematic and sexist. So she may be turned into a girl boss.

 

Kakashi: Will be played by a semi-famous actor, so either the best actor or clearly barely putting in any effort, that is likely years too old.

 

Shikamaru: Will probably be lectured and reduced as a male character can't be the smartest especially if he is lazy casually smarter than everyone. Unless he is a soy face hipster that a stand in for the writer/director. May end up in a gay couple with Chouji. Remember, men can't be close friends to modern writers. If they are close, they must be gay.

 

Ino: Likely made into either a complete slut or covered up more than a nun in convent. Also, she and Sakura/Tenten/Hinata may end up as lesbian couple. 

 

Chouji: Will largely be fine due to being the fat kid. Problem is he will go from pudgy/big bone to morbidly obese. With lectures on body acceptance.  

 

Kiba and Shino will probably be fine...they will probably be made gay to have another gay couple

 

Hinata: Depends. Do they see her as regressive or a self insert? If they think she is regressive; complete personality change. If they see her as themselves. Did anyone see Velma? Think that and that's not even getting into the Hyuuga clan issue.

 

Lee: Will probably be fine...if also made gay. Either in love with Guy or Neji.

 

Tenten: Is the most sporty of the girls, so either lesbian or trans.

 

Neji:...Depends how they handle the Hyuuga issue.

 

Tsunade: Girl Boss

 

Jiraiya: Castrated. 

 

So a for possible outcome for a Naruto Live Action. Imagine a gay transgender Steve Urkel chasing after Edward Cullen, when he not constantly moaning about how oppressed he is, while Ken Watanabe playing Kakashi keeps pulling his mask down to show his face every five seconds, and the women they get to play Sakura will constantly quip with a smug look on her face as well as she will on social media declare that all fans of Naruto are sexist that shouldn't complain about anything as well as saying they shouldn't watch it.




#990780 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 27 November 2023 - 01:31 AM

Live-action is currently on the works... oh boy.

Not just one but possibly two.

 

I think it was mentioned a few pages back...

 

Oh what do you know. Yesterday, they had another announcement about the Naruto movie.

 

So lets do both.

 

Lionsgate's Naruto Live action movie: From what I recall and suspect. This was part of the deal for Kishimoto to go along with the ending and the planned sequel, "Boruto." Kishimoto is a huge fan of Hollywood movies and probably enjoyed the idea of his story becoming a Hollywood movie. Problem is that the ending happened and Naruto fell from its lofty perch. Which moved it from being made to constant production & development.

 

Every Hollywood Movie Company has thousands of IPs that they own the movie rights to, but never plan to actually make an actual movie out of; they have those rights to make sure their competitors don't have them, so they can't make millions from that IP. Now of course, they would eventually lose their movie rights if they didn't do anything with them, especially if those rights were given by another company. So how do they make sure they keep the movie's rights? Simple, by having a movie in constant production/development. They do this by having a guild writer write a script for them. Then they have some low level exec read it. Then they store it. More likely that script may be use for another movie later on. Sometimes they even get a director in between jobs on board as well.

 

That was Naruto's Live Action Movie's fate for the past nine years. Every few years or so they get a writer to write a script for a Naruto movie to assure Shueisha they are working on it. Maybe a director if they really need convincing. Then store it once they stop asking questions. Citing difficulties of some kind as justification.

 

If that has changed recently, it is only because of Netflix's One Piece, not anything Naruto related.

 

Netflix's Naruto: Apparently at some point, they gave the right to a live action tv series to Netflix. Which they then gave to one of the writers of Witcher: Blood Origins. Now Netflix is far more willing to produce the stuff that they buy the rights to; so this may actually be released. And its up in the air, if it will be another One Piece, or one of their regular live action adaptations of an anime like their Cowboy Bebop live action adaptation. 

 

Again, this is due to the success of the Live Action One Piece; not anything Naruto related.