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#1 tricksie

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 11:02 PM

I have a scene coming up where Itachi read's Naruo's chakra. My question is how did Kakashi read Naruto's chakra in the tree walking scene? Am I missing something or was the information just presented to the reader through Kakashi's statement. (This is different from the elemental chakra/torn paper thing.) Also, does anyone know of any confirmed scenes of Sakura, Tsunade or Shizune reading chakra levels. Is it a flat palm, through fingertips or another method.

I'm writing a scene where Itachi reads young Naruto's chakra to determine that he has boatloads of the stuff.

I've searched but not come up with a satisfactory answer. So any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! It seems like there are lots of statements about chakra levels, but no actual reading of it (so that I can describe how it happens!)

tia guys

edit: one last thing. Tsunade's age-defying jutsu...do you think it would be from a hand-sign or would it be a more controlled scroll/seal type jutsu. I know hers is tied to her genesis jutsu that can be used to save others. But I'm wondering if the original application was from a hand seal or if it was from something more elaborate (like when Kakashi sealed in Sasuke's curse mark). any opinions?

Edited by tricksie, 26 November 2011 - 11:17 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 11:06 PM

QUOTE (tricksie @ Nov 26 2011, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a scene coming up where Itachi read's Naruo's chakra. My question is how did Kakashi read Naruto's chakra in the tree walking scene? Am I missing something or was the information just presented to the reader through Kakashi's statement. (This is different from the elemental chakra/torn paper thing.) Also, does anyone know of any confirmed scenes of Sakura, Tsunade or Shizune reading chakra levels. Is it a flat palm, through fingertips or another method.

I'm writing a scene where Itachi reads young Naruto's chakra to determine that he has boatloads of the stuff.

I've searched but not come up with a satisfactory answer. So any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! It seems like there are lots of statements about chakra levels, but no actual reading of it (so that I can describe how it happens!)

tia guys


I think Kakashi did it in a way that is not disimilar to reading ki in DBZ, but that's the thing I don't think this question has ever been answered in Naruto, so you can add your own little spin to it and say whatever you want bro/sis!

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:23 AM

QUOTE (LegendaryArcanine42 @ Nov 26 2011, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Kakashi did it in a way that is not disimilar to reading ki in DBZ, but that's the thing I don't think this question has ever been answered in Naruto, so you can add your own little spin to it and say whatever you want bro/sis!

wink.gif thanks! I think your right, and I'm going to wing it!

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 06:33 AM

On the chakra reading part, I agree that I don't think it's been directly addressed before. Winging it sounds like a good idea wink.gif However, when I read your post, I immediately thought of Jiraiya checking out Naruto's seal before the Chuunin Third Exam. That was specifically just to see his seal and to undo Orochimaru's counteracting one, but I always thought that the main chakra coils were situated around the stomach/navel anyway. So if you fudged it a little, it would sort of make sense for Itachi to put his hand against Naruto's stomach or something and hopefully it won't look too whimsical, haha.

Here are some pics of Jiraiya and Naruto, and the chakra pathways smile.gif
From chapter 91:

About Tsunade, I for some reason always naturally assumed it was genjutsu or transformation jutsu but it's a curious subject now that you bring it up! I searched on Narutopedia (always a good place for info) and this is what it says under the 'appearance' section:
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While only in her early fifties, her form is a frail and wrinkled old appearance, more so than her age would suggest. However, she maintains the appearance of her younger self through a unique and constant Transformation Technique.

Like wikipedia, the info isn't always correct. If we assume that this fact is right (even if it's not, I guess fanfiction has its perks), then Tsunade's disguise is nothing more than a complex transformation jutsu, which is usually performed using handseals.

Hope that helps and good luck with your writing! happy.gif

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 11:37 PM

Although if everyone can read chakra, couldn't you say that Naruto has a bit more of an advanced version since he trained in sage mode, and according to what we've seen he's able to sense people's chakra that much better, and let's not forget about his training with Bee and mastering the Nine Tails chakra has given him the ability to sense evil chakra like Mito, but then again that could be an Uzumaki trait, and no one else can do it. Overall though it's never been stated that much, but I suppose with proper training in the Naruto world a person can sense the chakra of people. smile.gif

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ Nov 27 2011, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Although if everyone can read chakras, couldn't you say that Naruto has a bit more of an advanced version since he trained in sage mode, and according to what we've seen he's able to sense people's chakra that much better, and let's not forget about his training with Bee and mastering the Nine Tails chakra has given him the ability to sense evil chakra like Mito, but then again that could be an Uzumaki trait, and no one else can do it. Overall though it's never been stated that much, but I suppose with proper training in the Naruto world a person can sense the chakra of people. smile.gif



I agree with Toasty, in my story Naruto can sense all types of chakra along with other things, just like in the manga. Now when we're talking about other characters the manga really doesn't say how ppl are able to see it. I've always thought that its like in dragon ball and reading ki. However you can really do what you want since no one has really said exactly how its done. For instance you're talking about Itachi so you can say hes using his sharigan. All in all its really up to you so have at it and have fun biggrin.gif

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 02:42 AM

QUOTE (peanutbutter126 @ Nov 27 2011, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the chakra reading part, I agree that I don't think it's been directly addressed before. Winging it sounds like a good idea wink.gif However, when I read your post, I immediately thought of Jiraiya checking out Naruto's seal before the Chuunin Third Exam. That was specifically just to see his seal and to undo Orochimaru's counteracting one, but I always thought that the main chakra coils were situated around the stomach/navel anyway. So if you fudged it a little, it would sort of make sense for Itachi to put his hand against Naruto's stomach or something and hopefully it won't look too whimsical, haha.

Here are some pics of Jiraiya and Naruto, and the chakra pathways smile.gif
From chapter 91:

About Tsunade, I for some reason always naturally assumed it was genjutsu or transformation jutsu but it's a curious subject now that you bring it up! I searched on Narutopedia (always a good place for info) and this is what it says under the 'appearance' section:

Like wikipedia, the info isn't always correct. If we assume that this fact is right (even if it's not, I guess fanfiction has its perks), then Tsunade's disguise is nothing more than a complex transformation jutsu, which is usually performed using handseals.

Hope that helps and good luck with your writing! happy.gif

Thanks - and those manga pics are great. I remember Jiraiya checking out the seal and then removing Orochimaru's handiwork. But I'd forgotten about the little flames at Jiraiya's fingers.

Kakashi makes mention of how vast Naruto's chakra reserves are (about four times as mich as his, and it could be 100 times if he didn't have to hold back the kyuubi) but it never comes right out and says how Kakashi knows it. Did Naruto have a physical? Or did Kakashi himself read his chakra levels?

So I need Itachi to read Naruto's levels, just like Kakashi did. (In my ff, Itachi is functionally taking the place of Kakashi as a sensei of sorts.) And I feel like reading chakra levels is one of those technics that might overlap a medic's skills. Medics would be trained to do it, but some adept shinobi might know how to as well. Sound believable?

And since it's just chakra levels, not the full kyuubi seal, I'm guessing you could read it anywhere...so I've written Itachi as having grasped Naruto's wrist and read his chakra levels through his arm. Seems like the most convenient spot. Easy to write about too! But I did include a sense of feeling based on the image of warm chakra flames atop Jiraiya's fingers. So it would feel a little warm to Naruto.

Thanks too for the insight about Tsunade. I agree that it's probably a complex transformation jutsu. But since it's complex, and Itachi's performing it for the first time, I'm having him draw out a seal on the floor, then plopping Naruto in the middle to perform the jutsu. I know it's kind of bending the rules — can you use a seal in conjunction with a hand-sign jutsu? — but it makes a much better scene. You get the feeling that Itachi's not completely confident with what he's doing, and that it's an important jutsu that Naruto's about to undergo, and he doesn't want to screw it up.

I'm not so terribly concerned about being accurate as much as I don't want to get something ridiculously wrong. Above all, I want the storyline to move ahead believeably.

@Toasty and Konoha, you're right about Naruto sensing other chakras as he matures. So it would make sense that a powerful shinobi would be able to sense chakra as part of his vast skill set. And knowing that, it makes it much easier to believe that Itachi would have mastered some low-level medic skills to help him analyze his friend or opponent. Or pet jinchurikki!

Thanks guys!

This is what I came up with for the Itachi/Naruto/chakra level/transformation jutsu conundrum!
Excerpt from A Voice in the Wind, Ch 28, "The Stolen Child --Click here to view--
"So Naruto Uzumaki, your shinobi training starts now. After last night, Konoha is probably already in pursuit…tracking both of us." A strange emotion flickered across Itachi's face, but was quickly gone. "We need to keep moving. But your looks are rather…distinctive."

Embarrassed, Naruto rubbed a hand over the back of his neck.

"You'll need a disguise."

"Really? Like different clothes or—"

"No, something permanent" Itachi frowned at his cheeks. "Especially for those lines."

Naruto beamed with excitement.

"The extent of what I can do depends on your chakra levels, but I'm hoping that since the Kyuubi's chakra is infused with your own, it will be high enough to sustain a transformation jutsu…."

Itachi took Naruto's hand, wrapping his long fingers around the boy's small wrist. There was a warm tugging sensation beneath his grasp.

Naruto watched his hand, the feeling getting stronger. "What are you—"

"Are you always this warm?"

"Um…yeah?"

Itachi frowned, then moved his fingers, grasping a little higher up on his forearm. Then he frowned again.

"Let me see your other arm." He tried a few different places, but the result was the same.

Naruto was becoming concerned when Itachi suddenly released him with a great exhale of breath. "Well that makes everything easier."

"W-What does?"

Big blue eyes followed him across the room where he retrieved a scroll from his bag. Itachi clutched it tightly until the middle glowed and a seal appeared. Satisfied, he strode back to the center of the room.

"Your transformation justu. You have an astonishing reserve of chakra. More than anyone I've ever known…." He shook his head at the discovery.

Flicking back the seal, Itachi unfurled the scroll between them and squatted down to study it, brows furrowed. Naruto scanned the document as well, eyes traveling up and down the rows excitedly. It was jam packed with writing and symbols, but more interesting, it was an official shinobi scroll. He could get enough of it.

He was just leaning out, tipping his head upside down, when Itachi's voice broke the silence.

"If you have to go to the bathroom, do it now," he said, never looking up. Naruto shook his head anyway. "This is going to take a while," he said, more to himself than the boy. "But when you wake up, you should be perfectly disguised."

Itachi scrawled out some lines on the floor, plopped Naruto in the middle, and began a complex set of hand signs. Naruto was so excited. He was determined to stay awake and see the magical transformation occur…but he passed clean out after the second set of hand-signs.

Itachi snorted and left him sprawled in the center of the web to finish applying the jutsu. It was an exhausting one. The boy would certainly be asleep for hours. And when he woke, he was sure to be starving. They'd have to move out immediately. He hoped nothing went wrong.

Sure enough, hours later the boy sat up with a clutching his stomach and head. But even from across the room, Itachi could see that the jutsu worked.

"Soooo hungryyy…." Naruto said groggily. He rubbed the ache at his temple, distantly aware that his hair felt more coarse than usual. Why was he sleeping in the middle of the floor?

Standing up took a near monumental effort: Muscles he didn't even know he had ached and burned. But fully righted, feet planted firmly against the floor, he felt the aches just melt away under a soothing, almost numbing warmth. He tightened his fists, testing out the muscles in his forearms. No, they felt alright. The pain was gone. Strange….

Itachi watched Naruto's slow progress but did not move. He was curious to see if the kyuubi would heal its vessel. That jutsu would put most grown men down for a week. Maybe more. But there was Naruto, getting up on his own from the middle of a blackened jutsu circle, stretching as if he'd just finished a moderate training. It truly was a sight to behold.

Itachi hooded his eyes. It was breathtaking to think of how much power was contained in that single boy….

Naruto's stomach growled loudly. He clamped a hand over his gut and looked around, eyes finally alighting on Itachi.

"I'm starving," he grimaced. "Is there anything left to eat?"

"No," Itachi said, getting up slowly. Even administering the jutsu took a toll, but he'd be feeling better soon enough. "Come on, let's go outside."

Naruto shrugged and followed Itachi through the hazy blue light at the entrance. Stepping out into the sunshine, Naruto was so glad of the sun on his skin, the fresh air. He felt good, energized. He was free. He lifted a hand to shield the light, and found Itachi scanning his face intently.

"It's good…great, actually. You look completely like a completely different kid. Now all you need is a new name."

Naruto patted his face, then pulled down a lock of his hair, realization dawning now as to why it felt so strange. Yep, it was thicker, coarser and…and…brown?

"The lines are completely gone, too."

"Really!?"

"See for yourself." Itachi pointed to a thin spring trickling weakly beside the rocky outcrop. Naruto bounded to it knelt down, bobbing his head over the the little puddles, excitedly trying to see all of his face at once. Brown freckles that dusted his nose and cheeks. It was as if the marks from his cheeks had just been shifted and scattered. He wiped at the new freckles but they wouldn't come off.

His yellow hair and blue eyes were gone, replace by brown. But he didn't care. He stared at the reflection as if he'd never seen himself. A slow smile crept up his face.

He looked like an average kid. He looked like anyone else. He was free.

Naruto turned back, ready to burst with joy. But Itachi was already moving on to the next task. He hitched up the rucksack at his shoulder.

"We need to move. And we need to get supplies." Naruto nodded.


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 06:02 AM

Might be a little late to add anything relevant, but my take:

I always thought that jounin could feel chakra from just the experience of being a jounin. Clans like the Uchiha and Huugya could see a persons chakra levels.

As for sages, they are in tuned with nature and feel chakra like the wind
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 07:24 AM

My idea on it, too...


If taken in real meaning, the chakra (which really originates from the Hindu's vedas and consequently the yoga) have seven points in a vertical line in the body - the crown of the head, the forehead, the throat , the heart, the solar pelux, the genital area, and the feet. So, personally, I think these would be the logical points from where to read chakra.

And from what I've always seen in the anime, the most chakra was always concentrated around the Midriff region - I would say around the bellybutton.
And if I'm correct, when the Hyuuga look at the person's chakra distribution with their byakuga, the chakra coils always seem to be concentrated in these seven points - but I may be wrong too because I cannot find any pictures right now.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:46 AM

If worst comes to worst, you can just attribute it to the Sharingan, it has shown the ability to sense chakra in a similar way to the Byakugan (not anywhere near as specific though).

Remember Sasuke interacted with the Kyuubi in their first reunion, there is some kind of rudimentary sensing ability inherent in the Sharingan.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:26 PM

@ jim1982 - thanks, you're right. I don't feel it's such a stretch to have Itachi reading chakra because he is a jonin.

@madz - I'm glad you like it! I hate having to describe something, ask for input, without giving people the chance to see what I'm referring to. I completely agree with you on the chakra points and that the majority is in his core. But I think I'm going to cheat and have Itachi read it through his palm or his arm. Somewhere convenient. Because I was thinking if Sakura was healing someone, I would write her as being able to read chakra from any point, right? Just placing a hand and doing some high-level med-nin diagnostics. Of course Itachi's not a high-level med nin. But if he just needed to get a ballpark figure of how high Naruto's chakra was to determine if it could carry the burden of a transformation jutsu, then a going through a hand or arm might work. I am just aiming for decent reasons behind the actions. Oh, and having Itachi read it through his arm is sooo much easier to write and the reader to get a visual on than going through neck, belly, etc. Much less explaining, you know?! biggrin.gif So unfortunately, with all my good thinking on the topic, the one that was the easiest to visualize won out over the rest! laugh.gif

@mr horrible - yup, and the sharingan will come into play too, and very much the same way you mentioned, as a rudimentary sensing ability, among other things.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 03:22 AM

As for the Tsunade question, I always imagined it to be some sort of pill she just took on a daily basis.
This may just be Nes Mikels influencing me via Garden of Sanctuary - when Sakura pops a pill and POOF! She's her young, 20 year old self again. =)




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