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[Bail o' Lies]

So that poll is ending today. Hopefully, Sakura is still at least #3, and Hinata #12.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 7. Part 1...oh so they really are doing this part one, part two, and so on for chapters.

 

Sakura stares in shock at the flock of pterodactyls. Sasuke order her to the prison to face Zanzul, while he fights the "winged dragons." But, Zanzul came to him. They have a back and forth of them not going to answer or tell each other anything. Sasuke questions him about the edo tensei, and Zanzul asks if that is what they call it in his homeland. Alerting him that he is not using edo tensei...no kidding, the fact those dinos aren't ash zombies, probably should have made that clear. More back and forth. Zanzul plans on unleashing his dinos on the prisoners, shows he has desire for political power, and is somewhat loyal to the prime minister, in Sasuke's opinion. Sasuke finally uses his sharingan on him and realizes that Zanzul does not have enough chakra to perform jutsu, much less something on this scale. Mino the raptor came, now Sasuke fights him while Zanzul leaves.

 

...the hell. He decides to take pity on and befriend Mino. By healing the wound the lamp oil gave chapters back him with ice. He doesn't uses an ice justsu by a wind jutsu on mist...don't ask me. This has Mino befriend him once he dispels the genjutsu cast on him. 

 

Chapter ends with the prisoners running from some spinosaurus. 

 

4/10.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 01 February 2023 - 03:23 AM.

[ThroughWithLove]

So that poll is ending today. Hopefully, Sakura is still at least #3, and Hinata #12.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 7. Part 1...oh so they really are doing this part one, part two, and so on for chapters.

 

 

Chapter ends with the prisoners running from some spinosaurus. 

 

4/10.

 

Spinosaurus? The f__k? They're willing to publish stupid  sh_t like this, but not an NS alternate ending oneshot?

[Bail o' Lies]

Spinosaurus? The f__k? They're willing to publish stupid  sh_t like this, but not an NS alternate ending oneshot?

Because SS is the official side pairing and they saw no point in supporting the 'unpopular pairing that had to be replaced.'

 

Hopefully, that changes.

[Therece]

At this point i'm more conviced to think SS was the main pairing and NH the side one.

Sasuke was the author Favorite Character and Japan favorite as well.  SS are enormous more popular than NH. Kishimoto simply cannot let Sasuke die, forever alone or withiout a newborn Uchiha for new generations.So Sakura was the obvious choice for him

While Kishimoto gave Hinata to Naruto as a consolation prize since Pierrot convinced him Hinata was the most popular character in west. Kishi didn't even bother do draw any conclusion to NaruHina in manga, let SP doing whatever they want in The Last and still totally ignored Hinata in his only Naruto Volume after ending to write about Uchiha Family.

 

 

NaruSaku AU? I think at this point it's hard this type of fanservice for a uncertain fanbase who left 7 years ago.
This only will PISS OFF SS/NH fanbase and they really needs these fans for Boruto

Edited by Therece, 01 February 2023 - 04:22 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

My thing is that it is so painfully obvious that they are starved for ideas (seriously? freaking dinosaurs?) and they are even animating novels written by people not named Kishimoto. We have hundreds of episodes of the most asinine filler out there and there is also the fact that they did the whole alternate reality crap before with the films and the infinite tsukuyomi? Why not do a single episode showcasing an NS alternate timeline? Just one?

No, who am I kidding! We need to see some dinosaurs! That's what the fans are clamoring for! If anything is going to get this series out of the pit of eternal Boruto stagnation, it's gonna be dinosaurs!!!

F--king joke.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 01 February 2023 - 05:14 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

I doubt that was the intention they just focusing on ss because it seems to be more popular than nh.

SS was just to get ns out of the way, as they could have easily had sasuke get with say karin or some random girl to have a kid if they needed on.

Boruto is barely selling might as well end it at some point and start fresh with a new series down the line.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 02 February 2023 - 12:02 AM.

[Therece]

This is the problem. Kishi never would pairing his favorite Character with a Hated/Unpopular character like Karin. (I Thinks she isn't even in 50 in this current poll)

Kishi still makes sures to destroys Karin's character in War Arc making her even more obcessed/crazy lust.

Since the scene with Karin wanted  to lick Sasuke in the midle of the War. I knew the chance for this pairing was 0% while Kishi was still keeping SS possibility alive.

If Karin was at least half as popular as SS or Hinata.  Kishimoto should have done the SasuKarin/NaruSaku Route.

 

 

The point of this Manga wasn't make a complex Story. Just a FanService Manga full of SS moments/Interactions.

The Dinos/Prison was just a background just like any other  Naruto Filler/Movie.

 

 

Anime have a perfect oportunity to make a NS AU in the Infinite Tsukyomi fillers arc. At this point this type of fanservice is highly unlikely. 

 

Maybe if Sakura get #1 in  this popularity poll.

 Sakura had a lot of Blank Periods in her story

Pregnancy time/Adult/Gennin Sakura Kishi will write something related to SS.

Trainning with Tsunade in the Time Skip between Part 1 and 2.

Or even some NaruSaku story in the period of Heaven-Earth Bridge.

Edited by Therece, 01 February 2023 - 07:44 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Popularity shouldn't matter when deciding you couples, after the kage summit sasusaku should not happen after what happened between the two characters.with the war arc making it worse, especially 693.

Granted the same could be said for sasukarin as well, even though kishimoto still added moments like sasuke finding out she was an uzumaki and 663 where she was paralleled with sakura when naruto and sasuke dying.

Plus it seems despite sasusaku's supposed popularity the volume sales appear to not be doing well https://twitter.com/...9YjxidvoYw&s=19

If they wanted to they could easily do a multiverse have any ships they want down the line for an elseword story.

I'd rather it be the tsunade training as ss moments are cringe at this point

[Therece]

This is  just Some Boruto FanBoys being insecure. I see some differente informations.

The novel already was out sell in the same post someone was showing  the retsuden was Higher in pre order ranking yesterday.

 

https://twitter.com/...690590332751873

https://twitter.com/...827527807299584

 

 

 

Kage Summit arc ruinned Sakura's Character as well SasuSaku/NaruSaku. This arc was terrible for Sakura.

Fake Confession was horrible to NaruSaku.

Sakura/Sasuke trying to kill each other for SasuSaku too.

 

But SS Always was relying on the possibility of Sasuke's redemption.  Of Course a  redeemed and sorry Sasuke would be different story.

 

Kishi never trated Sakura's feelings as same type of nasty Joke like he did with Karin in the War.

In the final Volumes Kishi made clear the possibility of SS with Sakura worrying much more with Sasuke, Sakura rescuing Sasuke, Sasuke holding Sakura, a special cover with SS Fanservice and Finally the Second Declaration fallowed by Sasuke's Sorry and his "love" Forehead poke.

 

If Sakura even win this popularity poll. I think there's no need for a another SS story with this Retsuden. NS Story it's very hard.

The most safe option was her trainning with Tsunade or some mission with Team 7.

Edited by Therece, 03 February 2023 - 07:28 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

The redemption means nothing, it does not exuse the actions he did to her. It does not matter if kishimoto had sakura think of sasuke a few times during the war most weren't positive, sasuke didn't care about her at all.

Heck he literally had her stabbed her in a genjustu and said he has no reason to love her, you execpt anyone to find him have a 180 on what he thinks of her after that just because he is redeemed believable? Because I don't and I dount anyone here does!

Least with naruto in the war she was thinking of fighting side by side with him, show great concern for when he was dying and got asked by his father if she was his girlfriend.

Plus frankly given how kishimoto has said sakura's feeling for sasuke as an addiction and any reason he think of why she would like sounds contrived. That doesn't sound like he has any respect for the couple at all!

[Bail o' Lies]

At this point I'm more convinced to think SS was the main pairing and NH the side one.

Sasuke was the author Favorite Character and Japan favorite as well.  SS are enormous more popular than NH. Kishimoto simply cannot let Sasuke die, forever alone or without a newborn Uchiha for new generations. So Sakura was the obvious choice for him

While Kishimoto gave Hinata to Naruto as a consolation prize since Pierrot convinced him Hinata was the most popular character in west. Kishi didn't even bother do draw any conclusion to NaruHina in manga, let SP doing whatever they want in The Last and still totally ignored Hinata in his only Naruto Volume after ending to write about Uchiha Family.

 

 

NaruSaku AU? I think at this point it's hard this type of fanservice for a uncertain fanbase who left 7 years ago.
This only will PISS OFF SS/NH fanbase and they really needs these fans for Boruto

Stop trying to gaslight people.

 

Kishimoto has made it clear in certain interviews that Sakura was removed from the position of heroine/love interest because she was perceived to be unpopular. He has never liked SS, calling toxic, and cliché with no real interest in exploring it. Originally, Sasuke was suppose to get with Karin.

 

Kishimoto doesn't get the appeal of nH, but was told it what his fans wanted. nH was consider to be internationally popular far more than either NS or SS. So, he left it up to SP because they were supporters of it, therefor would hopefully know how to make it work because they were so invested in it.

 

If Sakura was not removed from her position, NS would have happened. Once she was removed SS happened to put her somewhere so it wasn't seen as being completely thrown away.

 

The salad gaiden was originally suppose to be a one-shot, but it became 10 chapters because Kishimoto was told a lot of people consider him sexist. So to prove he was not he decided to put more focus on the new female heroine of the sequel by turning her one-shot into a mini-series gaiden. If you think just because he did 10 chapters means he likes SS you didn't read that gaiden as he ran it through the mud before awkwardly resolving it lazily in the last chapter.

 

If he wanted SS to happen, why is it so awful and negatively portrayed when he writes it? He had nothing to do with this story outside of maybe the cover.

 

As for the manga, lets see when the number finally come in.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 February 2023 - 04:24 AM.

[Therece]

Stop trying to gaslight people.

 

Kishimoto has made it clear in certain interviews that Sakura was removed from the position of heroine/love interest because she was perceived to be unpopular. He has never liked SS, calling toxic, and cliché with no real interest in exploring it. Originally, Sasuke was suppose to get with Karin.

 

First i wans't trying to gaslight anoyone just saying facts.
SAKURA NEVER WAS REMOVED FROM HER HEROINE POSITION.
Honestly you people really need to stop thinking  NS Canon =  Main Heroine.

Sakura was in Team 7 sealing Kaguya in the final arc. Not Hinata.
Hinata has no importance in Bort Manga aside randomlys slapping Kawaki.
Hinata wasn't important in Salad Gaiden who fully focused in the rival Family. Ignoring SasuSaku. Uchiha Clan (Which Sakura is part now) was much more important to Kishimoto than Naruto/Hinata or Naruto's own clan.
Hinata didn't gained a Full Manga.
Hinata isn't even promoted in the 20y trailler special.
Sakura even have much more novels focused on her.


Kishi isn't stupid to call his main characters Toxic.
By the Same logic the Sasuke/Naruto  was the pinacle of toxity and this duo was the reason behind manga sucess. The only thing that he said that Sakura was a bad woman for him if she move on from Sasuke (The Point of the Fake Confession) and he felt contrived to write about Romances. Kishimoto already said he doesn't know or like to write romances. That why he always avoided to write About deliberate romance and let for novels/Pierrot fully developed the Pairings.  Where was stated the Sarada Gaiden was a OneShot and Kishimoto only made a Full volume because Sexist Acusations? Now i want the Source. Not some Random Twiiter/Facebook with some fake/biased Interview .

Hinata was  some Producers Favorite in Pierrot.
if you people really think Hinata was more important than Sasuke/Sakura/Naruto to Kishimoto and he only made SS canon to help the poor Hinata Sama. You are all deluding yourselves.
The own Protagonist was ignored much more in his manga and can't even gain proper a Win in the final because Kishimoto's love for Sasuke...
NS was open with Kushina's parallel.
SS  was Open Since 181 with contant reminders by Sakura's feelings depeding only by Sasuke's return.
NH by Hinata confession.
SasuKarin was a Joke.

SS was Popular in Japan and Kishimoto thought was Hinata popular in West Side. It was a Win/Win situation for him at least more than NaruSaku and SasuKarin/Sasuke alone
(Ikemoto ruined Boruto with his boring Story. Not even Sakura being Naruto's HouseWife is enough to save Bort Series.)

Edited by Therece, 01 February 2023 - 11:52 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

It pretty obvious that sakura's role was reduce in the later half of part 2 and that was partly due to certain loud Western fans wanting hinata to replace her as the main female character and as naruto's love interest. Since that is how whether we like it or not was how kishimoto wrote it for his main female lead.

While yes she played a role in the kaguya fight, it was the bare minimum, with a forced ss moment and only one punch for a combined team 7 attack.

Hinata while doesn't do much at least appears in the boruto manga, sakura hasn't been in it in over 30+ chapters. Gaiden was an uhchia story so there isn't any reason for hinata to appear, but she got a movie before which I recall hearing how studio Pierrot advertise trailers/omakes of sakura having her role as heroine stolen from her by hinata.

Plus the uhchia have not been focus on boruto unless sasuke was involved in fight, and his daughter feels more like a side character. It's not until more recently that sakura got more spotlight in spin off material related, as when the ending happened she only had that hidden novel until restsuden came out.

While kishimoto may have not said that his canon relationships are toxic what has said does not sound positive, not to mention the comments about his wife being upset speaks volumes. The narusasu relationship not everyone likes, but at least it wasn't intended to be romantic and get them together.

Plus kishimoto's words about can't writing romance sounds like an exuse, by the fact he made a very problematic couple canon and the backlash that came with it. Not to mention pretty shallow with his comments that women can't move on from their feelings for a guy, while a guy is allowed to.

No one is deluding themselves with the obvious favouritism hinata got from studio Pierrot, heck even the strom game she got favouritism with mecha naruto story and that one sub mission called demons and angels where all the girls badmouthed naruto and she defended him. With kishimoto eventually caving in to the demands thos editors put on him when it came to hianata.

Given how you said naruto got done dirty by kishimoto due to his favouritism to sasuke, the same can be said for sakura with hinata.

I wouldn't call ss being open with 181 as that felt more like a rejection from sasuke to sakura as he still called her annoying. Plus in some ways ss was treated worse than sk, because sasuke still treated sakura badly during the entrie war until last 2 chapters.

From what I hear while yes ss was popular in Japan so was narusaku, most ss fans there expected narusaku to be canon and in genreal by the fandom there it was considered the golden paring. With that in mind makes more sense to make narusaku can as Japan it the franchises domestic fanbase.

Instead he alienates the fans there losing alot of them and goes to a fanbase that doesn't always spend income on the series as most fans in the west read stuff for free online.

But if he really wanted to play it smart he should of done an open ended where you don't know who ended up with who and tell multiple different multiverse stories instead of one bad timeline made worse by ikemoto's writing.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 02 February 2023 - 01:42 PM.

[ThroughWithLove]

You can like/support SS as much as you want. However,there is a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting Bail's comment and I would point to Kishimoto's own claim that he never saw Sakura as being anything more than a "Kiba" level character.

https://animegalaxyo...-to-be-special/


Obviously,this is inconsistent horse sh-t, but it does buttress Bail's point pretty nicely. For whatever reason, a corporate decision to ditch Sakura and promote Hinata was made at some point during the war arc (or land of iron arc if we are being honest). I'm guessing they thought it would improve the sales of The Last and Boruto.

[BlueStarSaber]

Earliest I'd say would be around chapter 540, for when the the endgame pairings may have been pushed to be changed

[Therece]

You can like/support SS as much as you want. However,there is a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting Bail's comment and I would point to Kishimoto's own claim that he never saw Sakura as being anything more than a "Kiba" level character.

https://animegalaxyo...-to-be-special/


Obviously,this is inconsistent horse sh-t, but it does buttress Bail's point pretty nicely. For whatever reason, a corporate decision to ditch Sakura and promote Hinata was made at some point during the war arc (or land of iron arc if we are being honest). I'm guessing they thought it would improve the sales of The Last and Boruto.

 

Pierrot is universally hated by Sakura Fans (From NS side and especially by SS Side. Pierrot did any favour for SS neither)
I have no doubt about Pierrot bias. They always tried to elevate Hinata and ridicule Sakura.They went blastant in a Omake saying Hinata was their favorite:

The Last was simply the pinacle of Pierrot FanFic.
But this treatment never was reflected in manga or Kishimoto/Jump.

Sakura have much more focus in War Arc than Hinata.

Sakura is the one who discovered White Zetsu plan.
Hinata sacrificied Neji.
Sakura got her Byakugou and oficial Neo Sannin Status.
Help to Save Naruto while Hinata was tripping in a Rock.
Rescued Sasuke
Helped to seal Kaguya while Hinata was dreaming.
Kishimoto bothered to drawn a outcome for SasuSaku while Hinata simply was ignored in few last chapters.
Even in Sarada Gaiden. Sakura managed to save Sasuke/Naruto/Sarada against Danzou 2.0

All Post Naruto Material  Sakura received much more Focus than Hinata. Ignoring Boruto who is write by Ikemoto.

 

About this "Kiba" Comment.

I bet Kishimoto is hella surprised to see Sakura in TOP 3 in the Official Poll  and probably Pierrot producers Salty as hell..

Edited by Therece, 02 February 2023 - 11:19 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

 

First i wans't trying to gaslight anoyone just saying facts.
SAKURA NEVER WAS REMOVED FROM HER HEROINE POSITION.
Honestly you people really need to stop thinking  NS Canon =  Main Heroine.

Sakura was in Team 7 sealing Kaguya in the final arc. Not Hinata.
Hinata has no importance in Bort Manga aside randomlys slapping Kawaki.
Hinata wasn't important in Salad Gaiden who fully focused in the rival Family. Ignoring SasuSaku. Uchiha Clan (Which Sakura is part now) was much more important to Kishimoto than Naruto/Hinata or Naruto's own clan.
Hinata didn't gained a Full Manga.
Hinata isn't even promoted in the 20y trailler special.
Sakura even have much more novels focused on her.


Kishi isn't stupid to call his main characters Toxic.
By the Same logic the Sasuke/Naruto  was the pinacle of toxity and this duo was the reason behind manga sucess. The only thing that he said that Sakura was a bad woman for him if she move on from Sasuke (The Point of the Fake Confession) and he felt contrived to write about Romances. Kishimoto already said he doesn't know or like to write romances. That why he always avoided to write About deliberate romance and let for novels/Pierrot fully developed the Pairings.  Where was stated the Sarada Gaiden was a OneShot and Kishimoto only made a Full volume because Sexist Acusations? Now i want the Source. Not some Random Twiiter/Facebook with some fake/biased Interview .

Hinata was  some Producers Favorite in Pierrot.
if you people really think Hinata was more important than Sasuke/Sakura/Naruto to Kishimoto and he only made SS canon to help the poor Hinata Sama. You are all deluding yourselves.
The own Protagonist was ignored much more in his manga and can't even gain proper a Win in the final because Kishimoto's love for Sasuke...
NS was open with Kushina's parallel.
SS  was Open Since 181 with contant reminders by Sakura's feelings depeding only by Sasuke's return.
NH by Hinata confession.
SasuKarin was a Joke.

SS was Popular in Japan and Kishimoto thought was Hinata popular in West Side. It was a Win/Win situation for him at least more than NaruSaku and SasuKarin/Sasuke alone
(Ikemoto ruined Boruto with his boring Story. Not even Sakura being Naruto's HouseWife is enough to save Bort Series.)

In Japan, the heroine and love interest is synonymous. There was an ad for the last in Japan with Sakura asking if Hinata is the heroine now? So at the time of the last Hinata had replaced Sakura as the heroine of Naruto. It was only after poor sales did Sakura get her position back, slowly.

 

If not gaslighting than historical revisionisms. You are looking at current data and trying to use that to overwrite what happened in the past. "They are focusing on Sakura and SS now must mean that they always focused on Sakura and SS. They never threw her aside for Hinata." When that is simply not the case.

 

The Salad gaiden was not SS focused or at least how you clearly see it as. It was made to show kishimoto was not sexist but having a female lead and to vent his frustrations and dislike he has towards SS. Even SS fans at the time felt the manga was treating their pairing negatively and nH mocked them over it. It wasn't till the anime arc with heavy rewrites that it appealed to SS fans.

 

Boruto is built on the back of Hinata's popularity. Its failing is why they are doing their current actions. If it had succeeded, they would likely never adapted this story to manga form. The only characters that have been important in that manga are Nail, Bolt, Sasuke, Shikamaru, and Naruto. The rest of the cast old and new barely exist most of the time.

 

He did call Sakura's feeling for Sasuke an addiction and their romance toxic and cliché. He knew about its popularity, but it alone was not enough to switch from NS.

 

Hinata was not important to Kishimoto and he didn't get her appeal when he was writing the manga. He left it to the anime to develop nH because they supported it. So, they must know what people liked about it.

 

Of course Kishimoto has likely regretted his decision to go with it. Half of Samurai 8's story was just going on and on about how its would never change the main romantic pairing. SS was not popular enough for Kishimoto to abandon NS for it. It took years of pressure and being told nH was what his fans really wanted for him to go through with it.

 

If you are a Sakura fan you should just enjoy the irony, that she was thrown away only for them to crawl back to her. Instead of trying to convince people that she was never abandon and this was always part of some master plan by kishimoto. 

 

You can like/support SS as much as you want. However,there is a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting Bail's comment and I would point to Kishimoto's own claim that he never saw Sakura as being anything more than a "Kiba" level character.

https://animegalaxyo...-to-be-special/


Obviously,this is inconsistent horse sh-t, but it does buttress Bail's point pretty nicely. For whatever reason, a corporate decision to ditch Sakura and promote Hinata was made at some point during the war arc (or land of iron arc if we are being honest). I'm guessing they thought it would improve the sales of The Last and Boruto.

The Pein and Iron arc felt he was listening to bad advice from his editor. During the war arc it felt like he was going back and forth between them with favoritism towards Sakura. It wasn't till near the end that Hinata won.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 February 2023 - 11:39 PM.

[Therece]

In Japan, the heroine and love interest is synonymous.

So Kishimoto really did a Bad Work Showing Sakura loving Sasuke into a point she was willing to abandon Naruto and the Village to follow him and "red herring" pairing become most popular than the main one.

The SS moments and mainly the chapter 181 was extremely unnecessary for a shonen manga.
Puting Hinata in this love triangle by making her declaration too.

 

Like i Said the big three pairings had chances.
Kishimoto tried to secure the pairing fans until the last moment in this messy.

 

About the Heroine and love interest thing.

Bulma was the Main Heroine in DB she didn't ended up with Goku.

Sora was the main heroine in Digimon and she didn't ended up with Taichi (Ironically these pairings remembers SS with the Main Heroines marrying the Rival)

Rukia was the main heroine in Bleach and didn't ended up with Ichigo.

Nami in OP didn't care about Romance much less Luffy

This argument doens't work very well.

 

 

But if he really wanted to play it smart he should of done an open ended where you don't know who ended up with who and tell multiple different multiverse stories instead of one bad timeline made worse by ikemoto's writing.

 

I guess Kishimoto could have made a open ending if the shippuden continuation still was focused in the current generation.

 But since Boruto needs Childrens. Kishimoto was obligated to decide pairings. But Kishimoto didn't count Ikemoto incompetence to write and drawn. I don't know to wich degree Kishimoto is envolved and "supervisioning" Boruto.  But Boruto sucks...

Edited by Therece, 03 February 2023 - 02:07 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

So Kishimoto really did a Bad Work Showing Sakura loving Sasuke into a point she was willing to abandon Naruto and the Village to follow him and "red herring" pairing become most popular than the main one.

The SS moments and mainly the chapter 181 was extremely unnecessary for a shonen manga.
Puting Hinata in this love triangle by making her declaration too.

 

Like i Said the big three pairings had chances.
Kishimoto tried to secure the pairing fans until the last moment in this messy.

 

About the Heroine and love interest thing.

Bulma was the Main Heroine in DB she didn't ended up with Goku.

Sora was the main heroine in Digimon and she didn't ended up with Taichi (Ironically these pairings remembers SS with the Main Heroines marrying the Rival)

Rukia was the main heroine in Bleach and didn't ended up with Ichigo.

Nami in OP didn't care about Romance much less Luffy

This argument doens't work very well.

 

 

 

I guess Kishimoto could have made a open ending if the shippuden continuation still was focused in the current generation.

 But since Boruto needs Ccildren. Kishimoto was obligated to decide pairings. But Kishimoto didn't count Ikemoto incompetence to write and drawn. I don't know to which degree Kishimoto is envolved and "supervisioning" Boruto.  But Boruto sucks...

Kishimoto seems to be the Boruto manga's idea guy. If ikemoto gets stuck he asks Kishi and he gives him an idea off the top of his head. Or. Ikemoto gets an idea for his story Kishimoto gives a justification to make it work.

 

Apparently the opening scene was Kishi's idea. Which admittedly the casual anime watchers I know said that it actually got them all interested after first. Before its boring story drove them away. He also probably push the cyborg ninja and the scientific ninja tools as he wanted to do a sci-fi manga but he was stuck on Boruto for awhile.  

 

Beside that what is most likely:

Karma seal. Ikemoto makes it, kishi probably justified why it looks like Tsunade/Sakura's forehead seal. Theirs is based off it.

Baryon mode. Ikemoto wanted a new one wing angle super mode transformation for Naruto. Kishi thought up suicide nuke mode.

Shinjutsu. ikemoto wanted new abilities that would make his characters better than Kishimoto's. Kishimoto probably helped come up with the concept.

 

Though it is basically a guessing game of what came from who.

 

Yes, and that scene is portrayed negatively and showed how badly her feeling for Sasuke were influencing her in a negative way. That way to show how much Naruto's influence was a positive on her.

 

The big three parings was a Western thing Kishi didn't know about until years into the story. Hinata was not important to the story until Kishi's first editor Yahagi was replaced right before the Pein arc.

 

You chose ones that already knew about the Heroine/love interest understanding and tried messing around with it some even still suffering for it.

 

One Piece. Nami is still considered the love interest of Luffy. From what I understand even somewhat officially. Just they aren't interested in doing anything with that because Oda both doesn't want to focus on that type of romance and saw what it did to Kishi.

 

Digimon. intentionally went against it and constantly has to deal with people not being over it. To the point that the mess that was Digimon Tri, was an attempt to deal with it.

 

Bleach. Kubo always wanted Ichigo/Orihime & Rukia/Renji and made it pretty blatant throughout the story. Even then before heading off the final battle the story had to repeatedly beat it into the readers head those were happening. Also if their is a sequel continuation. I think it pretty clear Kazui will be the lead and Ichika will be the love interest/heroine

 

Dragon Ball. Originally a one arc story about a boy and a girl traveling a mystic land in search of wish granting orbs. Romance was not intended...at least between those two. Toriyama had to basically force Chichi onto Goku because that's was the only way he could perceive Goku getting with anyone. Also during Gohan's brief stint as the Hero, he almost immediately got a Heroine/Love interest with Videl. Also, Trunks focus arc right now? Love interest/Heroine is Mai.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 February 2023 - 06:48 AM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

So Kishimoto really did a Bad Work Showing Sakura loving Sasuke into a point she was willing to abandon Naruto and the Village to follow him and "red herring" pairing become most popular than the main one.

The SS moments and mainly the chapter 181 was extremely unnecessary for a shonen manga.
Puting Hinata in this love triangle by making her declaration too.

 

Like i Said the big three pairings had chances.
Kishimoto tried to secure the pairing fans until the last moment in this messy.

 

Showing Sakura's feeling toward Sasuke when he left the village wasn't necessarily a bad move, at that time. It was the first editor's idea to incorporate the love interest and the rival, which also include the love triangle from the very beginning. So her confessing to Sasuke was only the continuation of Yahagi's idea. I agree that it wasn't needed but again, at that time, it wasn't necessarily a bad move.

 

What Kishimoto wasn't aware of is the massive influence the anime got in the west.

 

 

Hinata was irrelevant to the manga and only started to pop with her confession in the Pain arc but before that, her most ''relevant'' moment was during the chunin exam. While her giving Naruto support before his match with Neji gave her some points with the fans, what really started her popularity in the west was the fillers made by Pierrot after Sasuke left the village ( one in particular when Hinata trains aon a lake (naked, in a shadow), Naruto sees it and look enchanted by what he sees). Western fans watch more the anime and not as much reading the manga made her look relevant to the story even if she wasn't. Not only did Pierrot shows Hinata as more relevant to the story that she already was but started early showing Sakura way more violent toward Naruto than she really was in the manga. Another things that westerns fans don'ty get is the whole tsundere concept, they don't get that a tsundere refers to an outwardly violent character who ''runs hot and cold'', alternating between two distinct moods : tsuntusn (irritable) and deredere ( soft/caring), usually in the presence of the main character. They also don't get that a tundere usually began with a harsh outgoing personnality but slowly revealed a solf and vulnerable interior over time. Also note that the tsuntsun is shown as humour when the character that is in the receiving end of it  does somethng stupid. The westens fans that usually don't get this concept only see the violence whithout understanding why well you get fans pissed about how Sakura is so cruel toward Naruto. 

 

So you get fillers giving more relevance to Hinata while showing Sakura in a negative ways (even if it's for humour), you get fans wanting Hinata to save Naruto with her love from the kitteny Sakura. Adding this with her confessing to Naruto's rival well it just make them fuel there logic even more. 

 

At the start of shippuden, the NS moments, while subtle, were a lot more clear to see the shift on Sakura's part but what westerns fans never get to acknowledge (mostly because again, more anime fans and the anime show Sakura in a more negative light) was that there were moments long before that and yes, even on Sakura's part toward Naruto. While these early moments weren't necessarily saying hey, I love Naruto now, it was a start of her seeing Naruto in a different light and growing to eventually caring about him. Sakura blushing at Naruto's being more amazing than she first gave credit for, smiling tenderly looking at Naruto when Sasuke told her that it was Naruto that saved her were the deredere side showing, something that western fans don't get because like I said previously, they don't get the concept of a tsundere.

 

I think the mistakes was to play with too much subtle moments with NS, leaving an open door with NH that was growing more popular because of the anime while already having a stronger SS moment.

 

 

If for example, in the scene when Yamato speaks to Sakura holding an injured Naruto after his 4 tails transformation , Kishimoto should have finished Yamato's sentence. while it wouldn't have shut the door for SS completely since they already had Sakura confessing to Sasuke, at least it would have giving a more solid ground on NS.