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#53861 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 15 June 2022 - 09:40 PM

Controlling, over"protective" mother while the father takes a backseat. It would fit the pattern. :ermm:

 

It's kinda easy to do so ... Sakura has feelings, ambitions, wishes, etc. but they are very detached from a solid/established background/reasoning. You can only assume and I seriously wonder if this was done on purpose.
As the series went on, I was wondering when Naruto and Sakura will finally reach a point (everything pointed towards this!) where all mental armor falls of. When they would just stop acting strong in front of each other or being each others "wish fulfillers". A point, when their feelings and wishes finally connect FOR GOOD, without just throwing glimpses (like the Hug after the Pain fight or what Yamato said after Naruto turned 4-Tails). 
They have a lot of connection points besides just "bringing Sasuke back" and comic relief (which got pretty annoying after a while, because the Ship was not moving anywhere). They are just never addressed.

That reminds me ... why was Sakura so sure that Sasuke would understand her? In what way? He was so far away from her in EVERY aspect I can think about.
 

It would've been great if the series dealt with this sort of superficiality. But it never did.
This is the only point where I give kudos to Part 1 Hinata.

We barely know anything about her parents other than what was shown in a movie, what Sakura said the one time she mention them in chapter 3, and kishimoto feels they would argue a lot.

 

On purpose? No. Kishimoto doesn't really plan for this stuff to that degree. Always go for simple answer when talking about Kishimoto writing Naruto. He made Sakura have Inner Sakura to show she wasn't being honest with herself and her feelings as well as that it would go away as she spent time with Naruto showing the positive effect he has on her. Talking about psychology is a step too far with him.

 

I wouldn't give any praise of Hinata for that. By the time Hinata was introduced Sakura had already move passed the not spending time with him because of social issues. Now she spends time with him, but is frustrated by him being an idiot. Naruto really needed more arcs before the chunin exam. Hinata never spent time with Naruto at the academy. 'Support from the shadows' is not what Naruto needed.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 16 June 2022 - 01:50 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2022 - 10:21 PM

 

I wouldn't give any praise of Hinata for that. By the time Hinata was introduced Sakura had already move passed the not spending time with him because of social issue. Now she spends time with him, but is frustrated by him being an idiot. Naruto really needed more arcs before the chunin exam. Hinata never spent time with Naruto at the academy. 'Support from the shadows' is not what Naruto needed.

 

What I meant was, that Narutos' social status played no role in Hinata having a soft spot for him. It is just a part of her character that I like.


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#53863 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 12:35 AM

What I meant was, that Narutos' social status played no role in Hinata having a soft spot for him. It is just a part of her character that I like.

Sure, but she didn't do anything with that till after he started getting accepted by other people. She did not take the first step. She looked and wait for other people to do it before even consider trying.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 18 June 2022 - 01:00 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2022 - 06:09 AM

Sure, but she didn't do anything with that till after he started getting accepted by other people. She did not take the first step. She looked and wait for other people to do it before even considering trying.


And just used how Naruto perserved to her own ends by trying to use it to make herself feel better about how rough things could be for her even if she still had things Naruto didn't have, like a family even if Hiashi treated her like garbage not just because of the clan but his own bitterness at Hizashi's death even if I'm reading too much into it.

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 10:29 AM

Sure, but she didn't do anything with that till after he started getting accepted by other people. She did not take the first step. She looked and wait for other people to do it before even considering trying.

Yes, I know it didn't do anything for him, which is the reason why I dislike N/H.

 

 

 

He made Sakura have Inner Sakura to show she wasn't being honest with herself and her feeling as well as that it would go away as she spent time with Naruto showing the positive effect he has on her.

 

... which could have been elaborated on, if they didn't decide to go with NH and SS after the Pain arc.
I recently saw a video from Chatte Georgiana on youtube, where she explained that Kishimoto might have signed non-disclosure contracs, so he is not able to talk about this freely (it might would done damage to the "Boruto" Series). It would also explain his contradictonary statements on that matter.


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Posted 18 June 2022 - 12:57 AM

Yes, I know it didn't do anything for him, which is the reason why I dislike N/H.

 

... which could have been elaborated on, if they didn't decide to go with NH and SS after the Pain arc.
I recently saw a video from Chatte Georgiana on youtube, where she explained that Kishimoto might have signed non-disclosure contracts, so he is not able to talk about this freely (it might would done damage to the "Boruto" Series). It would also explain his contradictory statements on that matter.

Kishimoto talked about it after the ending, before the backlash hit. 'He was told by his editors he should replace Sakura with Hinata as the heroine because she was more popular while Sakura was hated. He tried to fix this because he didn't want to replace Sakura for various reasons, but eventually capitulated. However, he didn't get what made Hinata so liked. So, he left the love story to the anime to do since they were so eager to do it.'

 

He stopped saying stuff like this because I believe three things: one) him talking negatively about Naruto-Boruto would effect sales and he is getting money for his family to live off from that, two) Ikemoto his old assistant took over and he didn't want to stab him in the back, and three) some executive must have pushed for the change and now has egg on their face.



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Posted 18 June 2022 - 08:52 PM

And just used how Naruto perserved to her own ends by trying to use it to make herself feel better about how rough things could be for her even if she still had things Naruto didn't have, like a family even if Hiashi treated her like garbage not just because of the clan but his own bitterness at Hizashi's death even if I'm reading too much into it.

 

All the more reason that she SHOULD HAVE tried to befriend Naruto in childhood if the story was going for her as a love interest. The lack there of once again, shows she was never intended to be anything more than a Naruto fan girl. I have a video by the waywhich perfectly demonstrates how I feel about about NH

 

 

Skip to 0:18 if you have not played or heard about this series. Point being it perfectly describes the situation regarding Sakura and Hinata. Sakura ticks off multiple if not every love interest trope in the writing, so if she was not intended to be the love interest and Naruto was "not a romance manga" as per the anti-NaruSaku arguments all of that B%!! $#!& was a waste of time, And Hinata WAS appellation to lonely terminally online pillow kitteners.  


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Posted 19 June 2022 - 12:21 AM

 All the more reason that she SHOULD HAVE tried to befriend Naruto in childhood if the story was going for her as a love interest. The lack there of once again, shows she was never intended to be anything more than a Naruto fan girl. I have a video by the waywhich perfectly demonstrates how I feel about about NH
 

 
Skip to 0:18 if you have not played or heard about this series. Point being it perfectly describes the situation regarding Sakura and Hinata. Sakura ticks off multiple if not every love interest trope in the writing, so if she was not intended to be the love interest and Naruto was "not a romance manga" as per the anti-NaruSaku arguments all of that B%!! $#!& was a waste of time, And Hinata WAS appellation to lonely terminally online pillow kitteners.  


Well said, Phantom, and the video really has some points that can fit well into your discussion here and how CS seems to make it like that with NaruHina.

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Posted 19 June 2022 - 02:44 AM

All the more reason that she SHOULD HAVE tried to befriend Naruto in childhood if the story was going for her as a love interest. The lack there of once again, shows she was never intended to be anything more than a Naruto fan girl. I have a video by the waywhich perfectly demonstrates how I feel about about NH

 

 

Skip to 0:18 if you have not played or heard about this series. Point being it perfectly describes the situation regarding Sakura and Hinata. Sakura ticks off multiple if not every love interest trope in the writing, so if she was not intended to be the love interest and Naruto was "not a romance manga" as per the anti-NaruSaku arguments all of that B%!! $#!& was a waste of time, And Hinata WAS appellation to lonely terminally online pillow kitteners.  

Well two things about the video. For one, Japan does allow adopted/step-siblings to marry. It dates back to Feudal Japan where Daimyos would adopted gifted yet low ranking Samurai and marry them to their daughters. Of course now a days, its a creepy obsessions of otaku because they like the idea of having an easy to access girl that hopefully won't reject them like an average woman would, because they grew up together or something like that.

 

Two since its a video game people would complain about lack of choice if they didn't get to pick the romance option. Of course the canonical one is the girl he points to, but people have other taste so they had to appeal to those people making the romance generic one scene fits all. So, it may have been better story-wise for them to just pick the main girl and write a better story than worry about the otaku complaining.

 

Still he not wrong that changing the girl weakens the romance and weakens the story like change the love interest did to Naruto.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 19 June 2022 - 10:59 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2022 - 12:35 PM

Yes very good points :yes: but my main idea for posting the video is what he said at near the beginning of the video which applies to applies to Sakura and Hinata respectively. Sakura was written as the love interest otherwise, the moments written with her and Naruto would have no point at all, and catering to Hinata when she had no such writing going for her as a love interest at all would damage the story if not outright destroy it instead of focusing the writing on building a good plot. After "The Last", both these things came true and 100% applies to Naruto.

 

Do you play the Legend of Heroes Trails series or have you heard of it by the way?


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Posted 20 June 2022 - 04:41 PM

Yes very good points :yes: but my main idea for posting the video is what he said at near the beginning of the video which applies to applies to Sakura and Hinata respectively. Sakura was written as the love interest otherwise, the moments written with her and Naruto would have no point at all, and catering to Hinata when she had no such writing going for her as a love interest at all would damage the story if not outright destroy it instead of focusing the writing on building a good plot. After "The Last", both these things came true and 100% applies to Naruto.


You nailed it there, Phantom! I'm sure other anime or manga that pulled that crap didn't work out so well either, so I gotta wonder... "WHY!?!"

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Posted 21 June 2022 - 10:47 AM

 

All the more reason that she SHOULD HAVE tried to befriend Naruto in childhood if the story was going for her as a love interest. The lack there of once again, shows she was never intended to be anything more than a Naruto fan girl. I have a video by the waywhich perfectly demonstrates how I feel about about NH

 

 

Skip to 0:18 if you have not played or heard about this series. Point being it perfectly describes the situation regarding Sakura and Hinata. Sakura ticks off multiple if not every love interest trope in the writing, so if she was not intended to be the love interest and Naruto was "not a romance manga" as per the anti-NaruSaku arguments all of that B%!! $#!& was a waste of time, And Hinata WAS appellation to lonely terminally online pillow kitteners.  

 

She's the perfect pure innocent waifu (to japanese standarts) you're supposed to fawn about.

And you're obliged to be happy that little dumb goofy Naruto, who could not distinguish his liking for food for a love he supposedly had for a woman he barely knows, is allowed to be with the holy godess Hinata-sama in the end. What a horror story.


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Posted 21 June 2022 - 03:52 PM

Yes very good points :yes: but my main idea for posting the video is what he said at near the beginning of the video which applies to applies to Sakura and Hinata respectively. Sakura was written as the love interest otherwise, the moments written with her and Naruto would have no point at all, and catering to Hinata when she had no such writing going for her as a love interest at all would damage the story if not outright destroy it instead of focusing the writing on building a good plot. After "The Last", both these things came true and 100% applies to Naruto.

 

Do you play the Legend of Heroes Trails series or have you heard of it by the way?

Does it make it better or worse when you realize that in the sequels they made the MC single despite what character you chose to end with.

Don't give me a choice if you are not gonna follow through


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Posted 21 June 2022 - 04:12 PM

Does it make better or worse when you realize that in the sequels they made the MC single despite what character you chose to end with.
Don't give me a choice if you are not gonna follow through


Damn right, James! Even eroge visual novels can be better than this!

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Posted 21 June 2022 - 05:21 PM

Does it make it better or worse when you realize that in the sequels they made the MC single despite what character you chose to end with.

Don't give me a choice if you are not gonna follow through

Very true! Although I pick the same one regardless. XD But none the less, true. In fact not only are the choices meaningless in the later sequels, there is some inconsistence, some girls become valid options despite not happening before and one in particular gets thrown out. I acknowledge it. :yes: In fact I personally prefer some girls be a couple with someone else besides pining for the MC

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Posted 21 June 2022 - 07:50 PM

Very true! Although I pick the same one regardless. XD But none the less, true. In fact not only are the choices meaningless in the later sequels, there is some inconsistence, some girls become valid options despite not happening before and one in particular gets thrown out. I acknowledge it. :yes: In fact I personally prefer some girls be a couple with someone else besides pining for the MC

Yeah, which means the canon is that he doesn't get with anyone and become emotionally distance for literally no reason. 

I call it the
"Cutting off your leg so you don't shoot yourself in the foot."

Because it is hard to make sequels where your choices in the previous game carry over, they just reset it.


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Posted 22 June 2022 - 05:35 PM

Yeah, which means the canon is that he doesn't get with anyone and become emotionally distance for literally no reason. 
I call it the
"Cutting off your leg so you don't shoot yourself in the foot."
Because it is hard to make sequels where your choices in the previous game carry over, they just reset it.


Exactly. It is a shame when some video games are like that.

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Posted 25 June 2022 - 04:38 PM

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