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#281 AHK

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 03:46 AM

I didn't tell them to suck it up. They are going to have to at some point because I think most of what they are doing is counterproductive. But for the moment, Trump's not in office, so outside of complaining there is much to do. What I am saying is that I am unwilling to offer to them what I know they would not offer to me

Since when has do unto them what they do unto me ever been an adequate response to promote change? That right there is the biggest problem when it comes to the ineptitude of the federal government, proof of which being 2010 when the senate flipped and republicans campaigned not on any policies, but on the premise that they would "make Obama a one term president". 

 

At some point, someone in this country is going to have to step the the center of the isle and actually try. Until then, the status quo remains just that.


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Posted 18 November 2016 - 04:13 AM

 

And yet, you put words into people's mouth for voting from Trump, assuming a lot about them, and somehow it's ok. And enough with the buzzwords. I want clear cut arguments. What are these Trump policies that you call racist and xenophobic?

 

White guilt is a real thing too, just so you know.

Trump is famous for being racist and xenophobic, so I didn't try to be wishywashy, I just thought I didn't have to explain that. Were you not there when he called for a ban of all muslims or when he condones his supporters who beat up people of color at his protests, yet generalizes black and mexican people as violent? I'm sure you've heard all that, and that's what I mean. Since you voted for him still it means you are OK with that. No racist thinks they are racist, but you cannot escape bigotry just by not identifying as one. Even Trump says he loves mexicans then turns around and calls them rapists, which he for many reasons should not accuse others of.

 

I am as white as you, and I don't feel guilty. You shouldn't either, racism is not about your conscience or feelings. I feel responsible and that self-reflection is necessary. Did you ask me this because you thought I was trying to make you feel guilty or because you assumed I felt guilty?


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Posted 18 November 2016 - 10:28 AM

Trump is famous for being racist and xenophobic, so I didn't try to be wishywashy, I just thought I didn't have to explain that. Were you not there when he called for a ban of all muslims or when he condones his supporters who beat up people of color at his protests, yet generalizes black and mexican people as violent? I'm sure you've heard all that, and that's what I mean. Since you voted for him still it means you are OK with that. No racist thinks they are racist, but you cannot escape bigotry just by not identifying as one. Even Trump says he loves mexicans then turns around and calls them rapists, which he for many reasons should not accuse others of.

 

I am as white as you, and I don't feel guilty. You shouldn't either, racism is not about your conscience or feelings. I feel responsible and that self-reflection is necessary. Did you ask me this because you thought I was trying to make you feel guilty or because you assumed I felt guilty?

 

Indeed >_>

 

I'm not wishywashy. I'm not the one denying reality. And no, he doesn't want to ban all muslims, he wants to forbid immigration from the middle east. And it's the logical thing to do. Europe tried that social experiment and it had disastrous consequences for them. The USA have no reason whatsover to follow that route. Unless you are pro rape, in favor of the creation of no go zones, social segregation and terrorism. Because all of that happened in Europe after they decided to allow the mass immigration of a culture that is utterly incopatible with western values. That is not racism, these are cold hard facts. And he did say many rapists and criminals came from Mexico. Well, it might be rude, but it's not factually wrong. Or you are going to say that no mexican ever raped or commited crime. Will you? Did you ever spent a week in Mexico?

 

And when did Trump mentioned at all race here?

 

 

I hear no POC mention at all. Just more crap you're pulling out of your ass.

 

And you clearly must have a lot of internalized hate. You never ever mention bigotry and prejudice from people of minorities. It's clear you're just complaining about whites. And I feel no responsability. What kind of hive mind BS is this? Someone says and do racists things and suddenly, I, who was minding my business am responsible too? People are held accountable for their own individual actions.


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Posted 18 November 2016 - 11:28 AM

 

Indeed >_>

 

I'm not wishywashy. I'm not the one denying reality. And no, he doesn't want to ban all muslims, he wants to forbid immigration from the middle east. And it's the logical thing to do. Europe tried that social experiment and it had disastrous consequences for them. The USA have no reason whatsover to follow that route. Unless you are pro rape, in favor of the creation of no go zones, social segregation and terrorism. Because all of that happened in Europe after they decided to allow the mass immigration of a culture that is utterly incopatible with western values. That is not racism, these are cold hard facts. And he did say many rapists and criminals came from Mexico. Well, it might be rude, but it's not factually wrong. Or you are going to say that no mexican ever raped or commited crime. Will you? Did you ever spent a week in Mexico?

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 10:21 PM

So, my question now is...who will the Democrats have to run next election? Bernie will be too old, and there'd be little chance of him winning anyway. The Obama's and Clinton's are done, leaving practically no one for the Democratic seats. Thanks Obama! You and your fake polls have achieved that bit for us at least XD. The death of his own party. Hysterical. 



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Posted 19 November 2016 - 01:10 AM

So, my question now is...who will the Democrats have to run next election? Bernie will be too old, and there'd be little chance of him winning anyway. The Obama's and Clinton's are done, leaving practically no one for the Democratic seats. Thanks Obama! You and your fake polls have achieved that bit for us at least XD. The death of his own party. Hysterical. 

Bernie said he's open for it, as long as he's in good health it won't matter if he's old. You have Elizabeth Warren too, and Michelle Obama even though she currently doesn't want the position. You have Hillary's VP Tim Kaine, the NY governor etc. America will always be run by euther Republicans or Democrats, neither of them will die but I have a feeling Trump will not be so popular when he retires. Time will tell.
 
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alexander I did not call you wishywashy, I said I didn't try to be so myself. You should read my sentences.. Btw, Trump did say that he wanted to ban all muslims from coming. He said it in a speech. It came from his own mouth and it's all over youtube..so by voting for such a person you weren't simply minding your own business. (It's worth mentioning that it'll be ineffective I think even if he just wants to ban people from the middle east. Because a lot of terrorists are people who grew up in western countries and were radicalized there, and later they move to the middle east to fight for ISIS, or fight where they grew up. Most of the terrorists from f.ex the Paris attack were like that. What the ban would do is to abandon the highest percentage of victims of terrorism in the middle east - muslims. Since apparently Hillary and Obama created ISIS they do have a responsibility to them.)
 
You know, the US is one of the top 3 countries with highest rape rates globally. Mexico is even in the top 10, but countries with "western values" like UK, France, Germany, Australia, Sweden are.
 
So I've never been to Mexico, but I'm cruising through Middle and South America right now..
 
Why did you send me the video? I never said anything about that, but I was talking about race because of things like this;
Reaction to his supporters beating up a hispanic man - this is not the way he reacts to violent people of color

 
Here's the whole story for those interested. He later said to never condone violence, but has cheered up supporters who beat up a black protester at his rally. I don't believe a word he says.

And for reactions to Obama in 2008. https://www.facebook...89900567699397/
See how his race was being targeted? The protesters against Trump never did that.

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Posted 22 November 2016 - 10:38 PM

Dear NeverTrumpers, 

 

Please keep doing what you're doing. The more you riot, the more you try to block highways, the more you burn our flags, and the more you threaten violence is the more you push people out of the Democratic party. Your precious race baiting, sex baiting, and name calling has failed you, and it will continue to fail you because people are sick and tired of it. We might take you a bit more seriously if you could put some arguments on the table rather than constantly calling Trump a racist, a bigot, and a sexist when all the FACTS clearly say he is not. All it takes is a little bit of research on the internet to find out the truth.

 

He's a racist! Says who? Name ONE racist thing Trump said or did. Building a wall on our southern border is NOT racist, and he never said he's going to deport ALL blacks, Hispanics, Muslims (though that wouldn't bother me any) but just the people who are here illegally.

 

He's a going to start WWIII! Really? How? By fighting ISIS? Give me a break. ISIS against the U.S, Russia, and probably the U.K as well? They may as well bend over, grab their ankles, and kiss their asses good-bye. Hillary would have started WWIII the very night she was elected. Again, look up some facts on social media, and stop paying attention to the lame stream media.

 

He's a sexist! Funny considering Trump has a record of putting women as the main people in command of some of his most important stuff. He let a woman design and build Trump tower for rying out loud! You want a REAL sexist? Look at Hillary.

 

He says global warming is a hoax! Maybe because it is? You can look at pictures NASA has taken of the polls over the years, and you're going to find the polls are getting bigger. If anything, we're heading for another ice age. The only reason our planet is "warming" is because the SUN is warming up, too. You think we puny humans have more impact on our planet than the nearest STAR? That's actually quite hilarious.

 

He's a bigot, xenophobe, hypocrite  blah, blah, blah. I'd recommend the people rioting in the streets and still calling him names take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror. Who were the people who wouldn't let up about Trump saying he'd wait and see what happened before he accepted the outcome of the election? Who are the people who said Trump's actions were a threat to our Democracy? Oh, the same people rioting in the streets, burning flags, attacking police officers, assaulting people who voted for Trump, and of course, destroying private property? Hmm...yeah, hypocrite is a good word for the left. 

 

As for Bernie Sanders running again, don't expect much. Anyone who lived during the 80's on down will not vote for him because they're smart enough to know what a Socialist is, unlike this bunch of crybaby snowflakes this current generation has to offer. The people who will be voting next election also tend to lean more Conservative because they watch social media, and not the lame stream media.

 

Democrats better get their crap in gear is they ever hope to hold the White House again in any near future. 



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 02:36 AM


See how his race was being targeted? The protesters against Trump never did that.

 
Not Trump on a personal level, but his voters? Oh yes, they have. Here's the most infamous example, but there is no shortage of people complaining about whites for voting for Trump. You can split that hair if you want to, but it's not a terribly credible argument.  Also, I noticed your facebook left this little gem out. 
 
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Posted 23 November 2016 - 04:59 AM

 
Not Trump on a personal level, but his voters? Oh yes, they have. Here's the most infamous example, but there is no shortage of people complaining about whites for voting for Trump. You can split that hair if you want to, but it's not a terribly credible argument.  Also, I noticed your facebook left this little gem out. 
 
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I didn't know about that, but it's not a surprise either. I didn't try to leave it out or split hairs, I just couldn't remember such incidents with Trump himself. Which I guess makes you half-right.

It isn't nice to wish death upon anyone, but I will say I don't believe in reverse racism or that such a statement is an actual threat to white people on a constitutional level. The actual violence is bad no matter who it is projected at, I don't support that. However context of hating white and poc are very different. Take for instance the impact of calling Obama an ape and look back at history. I don't mean to back out of my argument, which I why I should've mentioned in the first place to not cause misunderstandings.

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:15 AM

I didn't know about that, but it's not a surprise either. I didn't try to leave it out or split hairs, I just couldn't remember such incidents with Trump himself. Which I guess makes you half-right.

It isn't nice to wish death upon anyone, but I will say I don't believe in reverse racism or that such a statement is an actual threat to white people on a constitutional level. The actual violence is bad no matter who it is projected at, I don't support that. However context of hating white and poc are very different. Take for instance the impact of calling Obama an ape and look back at history. I don't mean to back out of my argument, which I why I should've mentioned in the first place to not cause misunderstandings.

 

Because there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is RACISM. If a black person wishes harm on someone for being white, or think of them as lesser because of their skin color, it is racism, just like it would be the same for a asian having such opinions of hispanics, and etc, etc.

And that's why society never moves foward. You people are utterly biased. You gang up on a certain crime and ignore the other. A true balanced society is supposed to be impartial. If a white thinks ill of a black, they are racist, if black thinks ill of a white, they are racist. Period. Obsessing in the prejudices of the past will not help at all. You people believe minorities deserve special treatment because of the misdeeds they suffered in the past. But I don't. I think they deserve equal opportunities to elevate themselves, and then fairly compete with other people of other races. That's what's called being egalitarian.

 

But since no one cares for the opinions of "evil white men", let us hear what this black woman has to say on the matter:

 

 

Maybe people will finally unplug their ears then.


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:29 AM

I am bringing shipping into politics. Most of the Hinatards   I know from the internet were for Hillary and when she lost I was like...

 

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 04:52 PM

Memes? Is this facebook politics?


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 04:57 PM

Memes? Is this facebook politics?

You'd be amazed at how often memes are more accurate than the lame stream media. 

 

You know, this whole "race" argument coming from the left is an absolute joke. Which party constantly voted to keep slavery? Which party had all the slaves? Which party treated blacks like crap? That would be the Democratic party. The left is full of nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. NO Republican EVER owned a slave. 


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 06:20 PM

You'd be amazed at how often memes are more accurate than the lame stream media. 
 
You know, this whole "race" argument coming from the left is an absolute joke. Which party constantly voted to keep slavery? Which party had all the slaves? Which party treated blacks like crap? That would be the Democratic party. The left is full of nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. NO Republican EVER owned a slave.

Again, more Fox News driven drivel. If you knew anything about political history, you would know that parties, despite the names, have flipped ideologies multiple times. Saying that this Democratic Party is the same that voted for slavery is stupid. The Democratic Party then was aligned moreso with the Republican Party. Over the course of US history, party agenda has flipped multiple times disregarding the title of the party.

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 06:57 PM

Didn't he make a movie about global warming ? I remember he was explaining what caused and how global warming happened. He changed his mind ?


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 07:52 PM

Again, more Fox News driven drivel. If you knew anything about political history, you would know that parties, despite the names, have flipped ideologies multiple times. Saying that this Democratic Party is the same that voted for slavery is stupid. The Democratic Party then was aligned moreso with the Republican Party. Over the course of US history, party agenda has flipped multiple times disregarding the title of the party.

Whelp, there it is. The dumbest thing I've read all day. 

 

 

 

You can continue to live in your dreamy la-la land all you want, but REALITY still trumps your excuses. 


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 08:14 PM

Okay, I'm about to reach my breaking point. It's a politics thread and I want people to be as free to speak as possible, but I've probably let people go further than I should have. If we're going to just call people names and post political meme's then I'm going to start booting people from the thread. 

 

 

Didn't he make a movie about global warming ? I remember he was explaining what caused and how global warming happened. He changed his mind ?

 

Didn't who make a movie?

 

Sushi....I have a response, but the website ate it and didn't post it. It was long so I don't know if I'm up for it again, but I will try later this week.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:42 PM

Whelp, there it is. The dumbest thing I've read all day. 
 

 

 
You can continue to live in your dreamy la-la land all you want, but REALITY still trumps your excuses.

Again, party agenda has flipped despite the names, and have done so multiple times.

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 09:55 AM

Didn't who make a movie?

Donald Trump.



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Posted 25 November 2016 - 12:55 AM

Donald Trump.

 

Not that I know of. You're probably think of Al Gore.







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