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[Paptala]

Would you rather that Kishimoto gave the manga an open ending, where the pairings are left open to speculation or ended the manga with concrete pairings and risk ending with a pairing you don't support?

I think that I would rather have a concrete ending, that way all of the ridiculous pairing wars can be put to rest. Though some fans would undoubtedly be unbearable no matter which way the manga ended, it would be nice to be like, "Here's hard evidence in the manga, its over and done with."

What do you all think?

[Nee-sama]

I think either way people are going to support the pairings they prefer. And by support I mean make AMVs, and draw pictures and doujinskee's, and whatever else...

I'm sure Kishimoto will still implicate his intended pairing; as in we'll see a kiss or a confession or some form of reproduction.

I wanted to make this a longer post but I can't think of anything else to say....

Edited by Nee-sama, 28 June 2009 - 12:03 AM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I think that their would be a concrete ending in the parings since this is a generational story. I BET that how he would leave it with the next generation of the Narutovers. But no matter what people will always debate on how it should have been.

[Mik3]

Id owant to see some pairings go canon even if its not ours, but that'll never happen :cookie:

[RyrineaHaruno]

Id owant to see some pairings go canon even if its not ours, but that'll never happen :cookie:

Lol true Naruto x Sakura ftw lol

[peanutbutter126]

Well, thinking from both views, an ambiguous ending would make writing fanfiction easier and would allow fans to interpret the manga whichever way they like, but on the other hand, so many people have been following the Naruto manga that the whole thing is basically wars between pairings. Confirmed pairings would put an end to most of those wars, but I'd say people would still support the pairings they believe in.

So for me, I'd say... ambiguous ending. Not that I would mind a few kisses and implications between Naruto and Sakura.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Well, thinking from both views, an ambiguous ending would make writing fanfiction easier and would allow fans to interpret the manga whichever way they like, but on the other hand, so many people have been following the Naruto manga that the whole thing is basically wars between pairings. Confirmed pairings would put an end to most of those wars, but I'd say people would still support the pairings they believe in.

So for me, I'd say... ambiguous ending. Not that I would mind a few kisses and implications between Naruto and Sakura.

Yes it would help with fan fiction but it would be nice to have actual prof from a manga of a paring.

[Nee-sama]

I wonder what will happen when, at the end of Naruto manga, Kakashi/Iruka is the only pairing that ends up cannon.



What's cannon anyway? We gotta see two ppl doing it doggy style before the world believes it?

[Mik3]

I wonder what will happen when, at the end of Naruto manga, Kakashi/Iruka is the only pairing that ends up cannon.



What's cannon anyway? We gotta see two ppl doing it doggy style before the world believes it?

I love/like you would be enough. Its not really important to me whether or not other fandoms accept it.

[Nee-sama]

I love/like you would be enough. Its not really important to me whether or not other fandoms accept it.

Ah hah, no wonder Naru/Hina pplz think it's cannon.

[Nate River]

Would you rather that Kishimoto gave the manga an open ending, where the pairings are left open to speculation or ended the manga with concrete pairings and risk ending with a pairing you don't support?

I think that I would rather have a concrete ending, that way all of the ridiculous pairing wars can be put to rest. Though some fans would undoubtedly be unbearable no matter which way the manga ended, it would be nice to be like, "Here's hard evidence in the manga, its over and done with."

What do you all think?

A concrete ending will not end the pairing wars. It simply changes the terms of the debate from what will happen to what should have happened and why the chosen pairing sucks or doesn't suck. Avatar and Harry Potter demonstrate this very well.

Just look at the phrase "pulling a Rowling" to see what I mean.

The shipper in me says concrete, but the one thing I always hated about concrete pairings is it tends to bring out a comphulsive behavior in fans to write only the canon ship which is boring as hell. If that's the only thing I wanted to read, I just read the manga again. Of course, in a series as long as Naruto and that has dragged it out as long as Naruto has people will probably remain a member of their respective ships regardless of what happens; both canon and crack a like. They're pretty well established at this point and Kishimoto's choice probably won't sway a whole lot of people to change their minds.

EDIT: One thing I will credit the Naruto fandom for is variety. I can find fiction and fanart about almost any pairing I remotely care about. While, I don't think concrete pairings will change that at this point, it's the one thing that has me sometimes leaning toward a more ambiguous resolution.

However, what I want most from the ending is a well executed one. If its good, I can live with the pairing result, regardless of what it is.

[Mik3]

Ah hah, no wonder Naru/Hina pplz think it's cannon.

well from both parties. Hinata liking Naruto was as surprising as the sun setting this evening.

[Paptala]

I wonder what will happen when, at the end of Naruto manga, Kakashi/Iruka is the only pairing that ends up cannon.



What's cannon anyway? We gotta see two ppl doing it doggy style before the world believes it?

Lulz on this answer. Agreed. Some die hard fans will never believe in the pairing and continue to argu eagainst it even if the two characters are having sex in the middle of a crowd.

A concrete ending will not end the pairing wars. It simply changes the terms of the debate from what will happen to what should have happened and why the chosen pairing sucks or doesn't suck. Avatar and Harry Potter demonstrate this very well.

Just look at the phrase "pulling a Rowling" to see what I mean.

The shipper in me says concrete, but the one thing I always hated about concrete pairings is it tends to bring out a comphulsive behavior in fans to write only the canon ship which is boring as hell. If that's the only thing I wanted to read, I just read the manga again. Of course, in a series as long as Naruto and that has dragged it out as long as Naruto has people will probably remain a member of their respective ships regardless of what happens; both canon and crack a like. They're pretty well established at this point and Kishimoto's choice probably won't sway a whole lot of people to change their minds.

EDIT: One thing I will credit the Naruto fandom for is variety. I can find fiction and fanart about almost any pairing I remotely care about. While, I don't think concrete pairings will change that at this point, it's the one thing that has me sometimes leaning toward a more ambiguous resolution.

However, what I want most from the ending is a well executed one. If its good, I can live with the pairing result, regardless of what it is.

You bring up a lot of good points I hadn't really thought about. But fanfiction is fanfiction, and everyone has artistic license to write about and create whatever they want. Cannon can have as much or as little influence as it wants. In terms of arguing against the pairing shippers, though, I just thought it would be nice to say : Look, this is what the author decided on, this is what's CANNON and nothing you do or say will change it. Because honestly, reading through pairing debate threads really gets me frustrated with the illogicality of some people.

[TashaJ]

You bring up a lot of good points I hadn't really thought about. But fanfiction is fanfiction, and everyone has artistic license to write about and create whatever they want. Cannon can have as much or as little influence as it wants. In terms of arguing against the pairing shippers, though, I just thought it would be nice to say : Look, this is what the author decided on, this is what's CANNON and nothing you do or say will change it. Because honestly, reading through pairing debate threads really gets me frustrated with the illogicality of some people.

This is exactly why I would want a concrete ending, because it's really tiring sometimes on Youtube, forums...etc, when a fan of a pairing completely attacks a narusaku or any other video for that matter because they are a fan of a another pairing and believe it will happen based on their own views/fillers/scenes...etc. I just want it all laid out, like a big smack in the face, however it may turn out or whoxwho it turns out to be...which I obviously hope it will be NarutoxSakura.

[Dreamer]

Since we're NarutoXSakura fans, i would want our paring to have a concrete ending.

[Jenskott]

I don't know. On one side, it'd be nice if a pairing was confirmed and set in stone. On the other side, it wouldn't stop the fights and they wouldn't get less obnoxious. "Pairing A will happen! Pairing B sucks" arguments would simply morph into "Pairing A should have happened! Pairing B sucks!" fights.

I guess it's better trying pondering over the matter thinking of what it would mean to the very story, disregarding fandom's feelings and whinning. It can be good because it'd tie loose ends. Then again, leaving some subplots unresolved can be good to the story because it allows fans make up their own minds.

I reckon I'd like a canon pairing so I can tell: "Alright. This IS the canon, for good or for evil. This matter is closed", instead of wondering if I was right or wrong.

I can't care less what it'd mean regarding fanfiction. I'm not terribly interested in fanworks. And even if I like some crack pairings, I'm not a big fan of them because often they don't "feel" right. I'm open to alternative universes and exploration, but mostly I'm a "Canon is canon" guy, and I can't read a NaruKin story because I'd be thinking the whole time: "They aren't in love, their personalities aren't compatible, she's an enemy and she is DEAD!".

I can read stories featuring pairings between romantically unattached secondary characters because the story allows it. But main characters with concretely confirmed or ambiguously hinted relationships? Sometimes I can read stories pairing them up with other characters. Sometimes.

I'm a big NaruIno fan, but I don't use to read NaruIno fics.

Please, don't think I'm being close-minded about it. Each person has different reasons for reading fanfiction. I don't read fanfiction only for the sake fanfiction. Usually I read stories whose premise I find interesting. Regarding Naruto-based fics, I use to look for romance/adventure/action NaruSaku fics. I won't read a ShikaHina fanfic because I'm not a big fan of the characters and I don't care for that pairing, not matter how wonderfully written.

However, sometimes I've become so attached with one pairing when the comic was ongoing that, even if it didn't become finally canon, I'll keep shipping it and reading fanfics with it. It happened with Ryoga/Ukyo (Ranma 1/2). And it'll happen with NaruSaku even if Naruto and Sakura don't get together in the story.

[Paptala]

I don't know. On one side, it'd be nice if a pairing was confirmed and set in stone. On the other side, it wouldn't stop the fights and they wouldn't get less obnoxious. "Pairing A will happen! Pairing B sucks" arguments would simply morph into "Pairing A should have happened! Pairing B sucks!" fights.

I guess it's better trying pondering over the matter thinking of what it would mean to the very story, disregarding fandom's feelings and whinning. It can be good because it'd tie loose ends. Then again, leaving some subplots unresolved can be good to the story because it allows fans make up their own minds.

I reckon I'd like a canon pairing so I can tell: "Alright. This IS the canon, for good or for evil. This matter is closed", instead of wondering if I was right or wrong.

I can't care less what it'd mean regarding fanfiction. I'm not terribly interested in fanworks. And even if I like some crack pairings, I'm not a big fan of them because often they don't "feel" right. I'm open to alternative universes and exploration, but mostly I'm a "Canon is canon" guy, and I can't read a NaruKin story because I'd be thinking the whole time: "They aren't in love, their personalities aren't compatible, she's an enemy and she is DEAD!".

I can read stories featuring pairings between romantically unattached secondary characters because the story allows it. But main characters with concretely confirmed or ambiguously hinted relationships? Sometimes I can read stories pairing them up with other characters. Sometimes.

I'm a big NaruIno fan, but I don't use to read NaruIno fics.

Please, don't think I'm being close-minded about it. Each person has different reasons for reading fanfiction. I don't read fanfiction only for the sake fanfiction. Usually I read stories whose premise I find interesting. Regarding Naruto-based fics, I use to look for romance/adventure/action NaruSaku fics. I won't read a ShikaHina fanfic because I'm not a big fan of the characters and I don't care for that pairing, not matter how wonderfully written.

However, sometimes I've become so attached with one pairing when the comic was ongoing that, even if it didn't become finally canon, I'll keep shipping it and reading fanfics with it. It happened with Ryoga/Ukyo (Ranma 1/2). And it'll happen with NaruSaku even if Naruto and Sakura don't get together in the story.

Of course I don't think you're being narrow minded. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and yours is certainly more reasonable than most. Fanfiction isn't for everyone, and if that's not your thing than that's cool.

And of course, you're right about people shipping what they want regardless of what ending the manga has. Still, the concrete evidence would feel so good to have, because people can't argue against it.