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[VanitasDS76491]

Anything to make him look badass , cool , handsome , strong , to make his fans orgasm .... why not?

Ya but he's not he's a prick, that's all the series is about how awesome can we make an unlikable character to the point of ridiculousness.

[Legend054]

 

The Foreshadowing/hints/development were always pointing to NH. We can't ignore the sinking of NS. People got distracted that NS was possible due to Sakura being compared to Kushina, which was the Red Herring. -I- got distracted by this, too. 

 

No it was not. You wouldn't be saying this if NH didn't happen. I don't know if I saw anything from the manga that foreshadows NH, other than the confession in Pain arc (which was later brushed off and forgotten by Naruto) and the holding hands in the War arc (but that's just Naruto sharing his chakra, there was nothing romantic about that). NH wasn't really all that deep. If you believe NH make sense then you need to show me some scans of their developments before The Last. NS sure as hell had a lot of developments throughout the manga that could easily be interpreted as romantic. It wasn't even the parallel between Sakura and Kushina that made us think the possibility of NS. It was not a one sided love like NH because Sakura have actually grown feelings for Naruto (romantic love as i see it) and this was shown back when Naruto went four tails against Orochimaru in the 1st half of shippuden, captain yamato noticed it too. And the hug after Naruto beat pain could easily be seen as romantic. The only thing that prevented NS from happening was SS. You can't deny Sakura's undying love for Sasuke, but her confession to Naruto was not a lie. She did in fact also had feelings for Naruto (you could see her blushing during the confession). She only lied when she said she was no longer in love with Sasuke, that's why Naruto denied it. It was also out place as they were dealing with some enemies at that time.

 

Before the Last happened, it was either pointing to NS or SS, not NH. Even you don't read the manga you could tell NS was the most obvious choice and it would've worked even without a movie.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow...

I forgot hand seals was a thing.

[sushi.]

Wow...

I forgot hand seals was a thing.

I don't think what (adult) Sasuke did there was a sign even.. I don't recognize it at all.

[Legend054]

 

Several errors with this, firstly with the second sentence: Of course I wouldn't be saying this if NH didn't happen, the story would not be the same. That it did happen is very relevant.

 

1: First, there is integral NH development in part one, which should be accounted for. To assess this, reading from the beginning of the Chuunin Exams is recommended.

 

2: The Confession was not forgotten by Naruto, he recalls and tells her that she saved him twice. The Confession itself was not directly understood by Naruto, no, that he does so later is further development of the pairing. 

 

3: That holding hands was unnecessary to share Chakra is a telling hole in this part. He was thanking her for being by her side the whole time. It is a touching moment of mutual admiration and acknowledgement. 

 

4: For Examples of Development, please see the corresponding Arc points: The beginning of the Chuunin Exams, the Written Portion, Naruto vs. Kiba, Hinata vs. Neji, the Proud Failure Speech, Naruto vs. Neji, and of course, Hinata watching them leave at part one. Later in part two, we have Hinata and Naruto's introduction (Not a real development moment, but worth mentioning), the Itachi Pursuit Arc, of course the Pain Arc, and then the War Arc. If this is too much reading, Retsu no Sho neatly outlines the Naruto and Hinata development for you, even using panels! 

 

5: NS was explicitly sunk at the Fake Confession scene. Yamato's full words to Sakura are never shown.

 

6: A pairing cannot prevent another pairing from happening, that is, someone must -choose- who they wish to be with. NS was dealt with in the Fake Confession. As none of the enemies they were dealing with were even mentioned as a great issue, its largely irrelevant to this. 

 

7: No? I originally just watched the anime and played one of the games. While I thought NS had a chance, I knew NH also had an equal chance, a much greater chance by 615, but equal again after the girlfriend comment, at the time. The ending was in my opinion, at the time, whatever the Author wanted to pick between the two. Now though? I can tell that NS did not have a chance, because I got the context and understanding I missed, namely that Kushina and Sakura did not parallel, which gave me hope in the first place. 

 

Plus, using my famous quote again, in regards to 7: If an entire pairing fandom pointed out to all of these developments, and the Last's databook more or less lays out the exact same development, and the Ending has an end confirming this conclusion to this development, is it not very possible that perhaps, you missed a detail to give you the correct interpretation? 

 

1. Yeah I remember those NH moments in part 1. They were cute scenes but they never really stood out to me that would make me think they'd become a couple. It was always one sided love on Hinata's part. The way Naruto saw Rock Lee is the way he saw Hinata. Naruto have always had his eyes on Sakura and was upfront about this. There's no reason to think Naruto's feelings for Sakura didn't develop further after all they've been through.

 

2. Ok

 

3. Fair point

 

4. But still nowhere in the manga Naruto showed romantic feelings for Hinata. 

 

5. It's still unclear to me if that was a fake confession. I'd like to believe that it's not, as Sakura's feelings for Naruto was indeed genuine. It was a lie that she was over Sasuke and that made Naruto upset, but doesn't mean this was the end for NS. It sunk when NH & SS became canon.

 

6. NS wasn't dealt with until the Last.

 

7. NS had a much greater chance and would've made way more sense. They simply had more screen time together, both are main characters, and have mutual romantic feelings for each other which was demonstrated in the manga. Why they didn't end up together? I don't know, ask Kishi. The NH moments/development never really stood out to me especially since Naruto showed zero signs of romantic attraction to Hinata.

[Bail o' Lies]

Naruto remembers her fighting pein, but he never brings up the confession after the fact. Also he knew what hinata meant when she said she loved him during that confession. His face said he understood and he also understood she was about to throw her life away no matter what he said. Even then he still never brought it up and still focused on Sakura after that.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 19 August 2017 - 10:00 PM.

[sushi.]

Naruto remembers her fighting pein, but he never brings up the confession after the fact. Also he knew what hinata meant when she said she loved him during that confession. His face said he understood and he also understood she was about to throw her life away no matter what he said. Even then he still never brought it up and still focused on Sakura after that.

If he really had unknown feelings for her deep down, her confession should've triggered them either immediately or after some deep thinking. TL should've relied on previous moments between them such as that, instead they made new filler ones that contradicted canon and that's why the movie isn't a sequel but more an alternative ending.

 

Her confession had no real impact in the long run. 2 years later there's still nothing between them. Why would he hang out with Hinata? Walk home with her? I once compared that with Naruto and Sakura and Analyzer said they hang out because they have a warm friendship. Which means during the timeskip him and Hinata didn't even have that LMAO:L

[Bail o' Lies]

If he really had unknown feelings for her deep down, her confession should've triggered them either immediately or after some deep thinking. TL should've relied on previous moments between them such as that, instead they made new filler ones that contradicted canon and that's why the movie isn't a sequel but more an alternative ending.

 

Her confession had no real impact in the long run. 2 years later there's still nothing between them. Why would he hang out with Hinata? Walk home with her? I once compared that with Naruto and Sakura and Analyzer said they hang out because they have a warm friendship. Which means during the timeskip him and Hinata didn't even have that LMAO:L

She has been in love with him since she was three according to the anime and the last. Yet it took 15 years to finally get together only with Sakura pushing them together. If Sakura didn't help, Hinata would have still thought the scarf was a gift given to him by some other girl, and never done anything. 

[T XD]

Analyzer in 3, 2, 1...

[ThroughWithLove]

Analyzer in 3, 2, 1...

 

Something something something, you're wrong, something something something, factually incorrect, something something something, objective, something something something, NS is a red herring, something something something NH has been clear and mutual since the chuunin exams.

[sushi.]

Analyzer in 3, 2, 1...

she's coming

 

*hides in a bush like sean spencer*

[T XD]

It's like watching someone playing as an instructor and thinking of us being at a Children Literature Organization that need to know how to read.

 

We thank you for being a non-profit organization.

[sushi.]

It's like watching someone playing as an instructor and thinking of us being at a Children Literature Organization that need to know how to read.
 
We thank you for being a non-profit organization.

Speaking of which Analyzer you may limit yourself to 8 hours a day to not break labour laws.

[ultranx]

 

 

 

No it was not. You wouldn't be saying this if NH didn't happen. I don't know if I saw anything from the manga that foreshadows NH, other than the confession in Pain arc (which was later brushed off and forgotten by Naruto) and the holding hands in the War arc (but that's just Naruto sharing his chakra, there was nothing romantic about that). NH wasn't really all that deep. If you believe NH make sense then you need to show me some scans of their developments before The Last. NS sure as hell had a lot of developments throughout the manga that could easily be interpreted as romantic. It wasn't even the parallel between Sakura and Kushina that made us think the possibility of NS. It was not a one sided love like NH because Sakura have actually grown feelings for Naruto (romantic love as i see it) and this was shown back when Naruto went four tails against Orochimaru in the 1st half of shippuden, captain yamato noticed it too. And the hug after Naruto beat pain could easily be seen as romantic. The only thing that prevented NS from happening was SS. You can't deny Sakura's undying love for Sasuke, but her confession to Naruto was not a lie. She did in fact also had feelings for Naruto (you could see her blushing during the confession). She only lied when she said she was no longer in love with Sasuke, that's why Naruto denied it. It was also out place as they were dealing with some enemies at that time.

 

Before the Last happened, it was either pointing to NS or SS, not NH. Even you don't read the manga you could tell NS was the most obvious choice and it would've worked even without a movie.

 

yeah, I recall the interview where when kishi was asked about the so called 'fake' confession when the manga was still ongoing, he said he wanted to portray sakura as an honest kind girl. that's bluntly sating it wasn't fake, the only ones who said it was fake is all the nh fans who pretended the interview was fake, they pretended every interview that didn't support their nh was fake. that and sent him sakura hate mail.

Edited by ultranx, 20 August 2017 - 10:56 PM.

[BlackShirtGuy]

@Analyzer

The only part Sakura was lyiing about is that she didn't care about Sasuke anymore, how else do you explain that Naruto wasn't calling out on her lyiing to herself until AFTER she mentioned not caring about Sasuke at all?

This is even more telling because Sakura probably knew that if she failed to deal with Sasuke she would probably die, so she did the same as Hinata, confess her feelings to the protagonist and then go on a suicide mision, later both of theese confessions are never adressed nor talked about again and, NO, THE LAST DOESN'T COUNT.

Edited by BlackShirtGuy, 21 August 2017 - 12:42 AM.

[ultranx]

sigh analyzer it wasn't a generalization, it was a literal response to being asked if the confession was fake. authors do stuff like that all the time as responses to specific questions to answer but be vague, they aren't seen as generalizations, but for some reason you always make excuses for defending your "ending". like they said, the having feelings for naruto thing was legit, the not caring about sasuke part is what was fake, heck she was willing to kill sasuke and have naruto hate her just to be sure naruto was safe, that's a dead giveaway of her having feelings for naruto. you act like her and naruto were never close and that she saw him the same as in part 1, but in fact the majority of part 2 in the manga they were basically best friends  and closer than the narusasu bond ever was, and their bond gets broken in the ending and last just for nh to happen.

Edited by ultranx, 21 August 2017 - 02:20 PM.

[ultranx]

 

You misunderstand to what generalization is being attributed to. Saying "all the nh fans" is a generalization, and that which I was referring to as inaccurate and dangerous, because we should not group everyone as a collective like this. 

 

No one is disagreeing that Sakura genuinely tried to help Naruto, or she cared for him, even, or that their friendship developed. That which is on the table and being refuted by Naruto himself is the implication of romantic feelings. Their bond remains and is really sunk as being anything more than platonic here. The error on your part is attributing the actions she is doing out of love for Naruto after that is specifically debunked. She is willing to bear Naruto's hate, yes. 

 

How does the NS bond get "broken"? Sakura plays matchmaker in the Last and saves Naruto's life. Nothing is damaged or ruined or destroyed. And if you are referring to the ship, nothing was ever destroyed, because we never had it. 

I was talking nh fan pro enders, all nh fans that support this ending. and lol, there you go again with the "generalization" excuse you always use against every single forum user here when its freaking obvious they don't mean every single nh fan and just the pro enders, because unlike you, there are in fact nh fans who despise the ending who we know, when we say nh fans we're talking the nh fans who are pro enders, not every single nh fan, but for some reason you feel the need to always point that out and try to correct us. and again I ask, why do you care so much and constantly stay on this site? do you really have nothing better to do in your life than stay on the site every single day for almost 24/7 just to correct us on your opinion you treat as the one and only fact all because your "ending" happened? are you really that obsessed with naruto? because guess what, none of us here are, we have all moved on to other series and just talk here because we are friends, you're the only one here constantly obsessing over the ending and correcting us over every single thing we debate on how naruto could have turned out better.

 

just having an ending doesn't make a story good, the journey is what is most important, the writing leading up to the ending, there was no nh writing to justify your ending, just subjective onesided hinata moments, most of which not romantic whatsoever, how many times did she appear in the manga? lets see, chunin exams, when naruto came back with jiraiya post time skip, the sasuke retrieval arc, the pain arc, and the war. all of which were non romantic other than the confession, which even then was subjective and onesided, an ending doesn't justify poor writing during the manga's run analyzer, what about all the dropped plot points like the curse of hatred and changing the system and bringing world peace?what about surpassing the previous generation, what about everyone's dream besides naruto's and hinata's obsession with naruto, like for example, tenten wanting to surpass tsunade?.  when did naruto and hinata ever have interactions over time showing them come closer? naruto had that with sakura, hinata didn't, she barely showed up in the manga, dbz on the other hand has videl and gohan spend time together over time training together and hanging out with friends and at the tournament and grow feelings for each other over time, that's how writing relationships in anime/manga usually are, they are done over time, showing the characters actively grow attached to the other, with naruto and hinata we got none of that, naruto still viewed hinata as his weirdo friend who always passed out, the ending is completely out of nowhere for people who understand the rules of writing and only "makes sense" to people like you. heck even goku and chichi spend more time together in their childhood than naruto and hinata did the entire manga

Edited by ultranx, 21 August 2017 - 07:48 PM.

[ultranx]

 

I fully believe and know there are NH fans and SS fans that dislike the ending, as much as I believe and know there are NS (Myself, for one, despite your claims otherwise), SNS, and SK fans that like the ending.

 

You may mean not to be general, but you were being general, so I point it out as an error to avoid. It's best to have meanings and words match.

 

I do it because I enjoy the discussion and making corrections? It's not even about caring so much, it's just about enjoyment. I believe I have already told you this answer though. This is an NS fan site, I'm an NS fan. Does it bother you that I also like the ending? Honestly, I think it helps the forums not be an echo chamber. 

just because you think I was doesn't mean I was, so no, you just think we need to be corrected. well maybe its not welcome here because this is a discussion thread, not a "correct everyone with your biased opinion nonstop for months on end thread", there is literally no one needing correcting here, everyone here part of the conversation knows they mean proenders because no one here is new, everyone here knows each other from past threads in the past long before you showed up,  you just feel the need to because you have nothing better to do, only you. all you're doing is just proving my point. or are you just correcting us for lurkers when we don't care if lurkers listen into our topic because last time I checked, we stopped caring about your fandom and how they judge us here.

 

I am a neutral who was always shunned for saying naruto and sakura's names in the same sentence, and I wanted hinata to save the hyuuga clan and become the clan heir and not just focus on naruto, and would have been okay with nh happening if it made sense over the course of the manga, but it didn't, and I refuse to follow your nh bandwagon just because of your so called "ending", unlike you I never read naruto for couples, I read it for the action, story, characters, not for who ended up with who, I wanted closure to naruto's story and every character to achieve their dreams and every plot point to be resolved, not pairing crap and spinoffs and retcons. that's like me watching dragon ball z just to see who goku ended up with, which is ridiculous, noone does that. at least dragon ball doesn't obsess with a moe character and who she ends up with nor is it obsessed with pairings and retcons, dragon ball is still true to itself and dragon ball super takes place in the last timeskip of the manga, the manga story untampered with.

Edited by ultranx, 22 August 2017 - 03:58 AM.

[ultranx]

 

why should my diction match my meaning when everyone reading my post gets it but you who always wants to correct it, or are you that bad at understanding what I just stated, that the only ones misinterpreting me are you and lurkers.

also again, when you say you're a neutral fan it begs the question why do you care so much about what we say here on a daily basis and even stalk the site, since you're literally the only neutral fan staying on the site correcting people like this, every other neutral fan is anti ending and agrees with everyone here, or are you still on the "everyone anti ending is an pairing fan" bandwagon?

because newsflash, majority of anti enders are neutral fans, not just pairing fans

 

I can bring up how relationships work in literature without being a pairing fan, and I bring up pairings because during the original naruto fandom pre-ending(before the fandom split up, which you also seem to be in denial of)   everyone, even neutral fans knew about pairing fans because of how rabid they were, especially when they bashed you and called you a narusaku shipper just for thinking they had a chance or saying their names in the same sentence, even if you stated multiple times you don't care who ends up with who as long as it makes sense in the story and the story has closure. did we get that? no we did not. 

or how on deviantart they would spam anti "art posts" bashing sakura as a character to the point people did the same to the hinata fans doing it, which you pro enders pretend never happened xD

I was a lurker on deviantart and saw all the stuff go down long before the hinata hate started. 

or how on youtube they would harass people for making videos about sakura or naruto and sakura being a couple and bash anyone who supported em.

I was harassed on youtube and was invited here to get away from the fandom, getting away from usual people like you who want  to judge me as a pairing fan just for being on this forum instead of getting to know me or anyone else here. unlike you, I despise people who judge people, I hate stereotypes with a passion, like how anime fans are treated, how gamers are treated, how anyone is treated over their likes, dislikes, or preferences, everyone has things about them that makes them an individual and a human being, I don't see how being friends with people on this site  automatically makes me in love with the pairing and not just a neutral diehard fan of the story and how the characters developed over time in the manga, that's very hypocritical of you I must say, coming from you coming here pestering people here on a daily basis calling them ns fans and posing as a neutral fan, majority of the people here are fond of the couple but have moved on and no longer consider themselves pairing fans or were always neutral and story fans first, couple fans second. me for example, I only support the canon couples in series I like and only when they have actual development through the story because the story always comes first to me and how the characters develop over time, the journey is what matters to me, so I don't care what you say, I will always deny your "ending" because of how the story elements went to crap just for the couple you support to happen.

 

oh and there you go again with the denial of hinata being a moe character when you were already debunked on that by shadowwolf, what are you, a 12 year old? you sure act like it with how you deny anything we say even when we post the definition of a moe character, character profile of hinata, and countless manga panels to you, last I checked this was a discussion thread for debates with actual facts, not for someone like you correcting people and denying what people say for months on end.

 

ever think I'm not generalizing you but watching how you're acting over time to other users because you aren't doing any favors being so against people who defend naruto and sakura's development in the story? that I'm watching the discussion every once in a while, like every 2 weeks, to see what I miss in the thread? maybe I wouldn't call you a pairing fan if you would actually prove me wrong and stop pestering people nonstop with your replies, like I asked you to do a month ago, and actually leave people be and reply to others instead? since having freedom of speech on a forum doesn't automatically make it okay to harass someone with replies last time I checked, if someone doesn't want to be replied to you respect their wishes and reply to someone else instead of shoving your opinion down their throat. maybe people wouldn't call you an nh fan and pairing fan then? plus the fact you defend nh nonstop yet deny any part of sakura and naruto's development in the manga even when we show you the manga panels from the chapters as evidence, which you always ignore, when the manga is the original work and what should matter most. literally every other neutral fan has a life, me included, and doesn't stalk here like you do, and you seem to always have to butt into every conversation correcting people here when you aren't welcome to even be in the conversation.  especially when you butt in the conversation to bring it right back to the previous one. what are you so iliterate you can't tell we're talking sakura and naruto's development as from teammates, to friends, to best friends, the development of their bond over time through the manga, and the hints of romantic feelings in that? because from what I've seen, you deny them even ever being friends, which is completely wrong and just proves even more you never read the manga.

 

last I checked, you could acknowledge hints of couples or canon couples in series and like it or support it without being a pairing fan or rather a shipper, a shipper and pairing fan are the same thing, but people who like or support something just for what's in the story aren't automatically shippers at default last time I checked, that's just crap you nobodies in the naruto fandom spout who have never experienced any other fandom, I mean there are plenty of non shippers in the pokemon fandom who support ash and misty or saw the hints, and they acknowledge shippers, people can like gohan and videl's relationship shown in db super without being a

pairing fan/shipper, a couple can be talked about  and liked by someone who's watching a show just for the action without being a pairing fan/shipper, heck even sonamy, the ship of sonic and amy, is acknowledged by non shippers, pairing fans/shippers are a widespread known thing in fandoms, or are you so unknowing of the internet you think only pairing fans know about pairing fans or use the word pairing or bring up the words, if so that's a laugh. there are plenty of incidents where rabid shippers have harassed nonshippers for not agreeing with them online, I don't see how using the term automatically makes the person a shipper.

Edited by ultranx, 22 August 2017 - 09:42 PM.

[ultranx]

 

1: Points out flaws in presentation and use of generalization, you resort to an implication of calling me stupid, because I do not connect that you do not mean what you say. This is not misinterpretation of your diction, this is criticizing your diction. Whether you mean it or not, generalization in written language is best avoided. 

2: I'm not a "neutral" fan, and nowhere did I say I was. I find the term ridiculous, because typically, it's used by people who -do- care about shipping,  and that neutral and fan are oxymoronic when paired together. I am a pairing fan, I am a big fan of NS. But I do constantly defend the other pairings because they are constantly misrepresented and intellectually dishonestly discussed with misinformation thrown about. And this isn't even just on this forum alone. How do you even stalk a forum? Do you realize that this is silly, and does not mean at all what you think it does?

 

3: No, some of the fans were rabid. And to fairly represent, it was certainly coming from all sides. And no, the fandom didn't "split". The Anti-fandom is but a small sub-group within a group of the fandom. I don't have much comment on the art part, but I find it skeptical at best that "one" side was so bad that it propped another side to do the same, nor is that justifiable regardless.

 

4: No, surprisingly a lot of Anti-fans do care about the pairings, irregardless of who they shipped, if anyone. Some do hate the series just regardless, and bash it, regardless, but they are in no way the majority. The fact you discuss 

 

5: No, Shadowwolf did not debunk my points, nor prove Hinata was a moe character, she is not, she is by definition unable to fit this, as she -can- protect herself. This is easily debunked, but you're welcome to try at it yourself. 

 

6: No, I did not deny NS ever being friends. I specifically have reinforced this to be the case. Where are you even getting this from?

 

Here's the thing, after getting through your words, which are mainly you defending behind a wall akin to social issues, still not refuting or discussing any of my points: You can ship who you want. No one is saying you can't. No one is stopping you. We ship the same thing. You can dislike the ending, whatever. No one is harassing or stopping you. You can even discuss why.

 

But it's a forum, and I'm going to talk about it true, in agreement, or disagreement, and say why, and this with no malicious intent. Let's remove the social issues cover and engage properly on the points, or don't if you aren't interested. But let's move away from this victimization mentality. Everyone has seen it, or felt it, and it doesn't source from any primary side. 

I never called you stupid, I pointed out you are the only one that cares how I worded it. its funny how you think you're always right when noone here agrees with you on your "generalization" crap, the proof being the fact your posts are like free, if you knew anything about this forum, you'd know people only like on posts here when they agree on something, not posting for likes or views.

 

the rest of your comment I'm not gonna bother with, because you're wrong on each one, I have actively been in the original naruto fandom pre-ending unlike you for years, I have actually  been dealing with the fans, and its laughable how you try to correct someone who has actual experience and knowledge with the fandom and other fandoms instead of only a group related to your naruhina mess. I have been keeping track of naruto since 1999, and always read more of  the manga than watching the anime, actively buying shonen jump magazines to find out what happens or going to the library and reading em, and I was involved in the naruto fandom since 2011 and before that I lurked on deviantart and witnessed all the anti, I dealt with the fans myself, the anti ones, the nice nh fans, the rabid nh fans,the fellow neutral ones,   I've dealt with every form of fans in the fandom pre ending and I can tell by the way you act here you are not a neutral fan,  you have the mindset you are or are posing as one to troll us.

 

I only state neutral fan because you people always judge anyone who thinks naruto and sakura had a chance as a narusaku fan, which frankly I am getting sick of, really shows your maturity. if you were a true neutral fan you wouldn't judge someone as a pairing fan/shipper from the get go, you would hear what they have to say, nor would you judge them just by how they word things or how they feel on the story either, you would actually get to know the person.

I have to use the "neutral fan" term because the naruto fandom is so full of immature rabid people that anyone who is friends with a certain side must automatically be just like those one side hates and not be an individiual friends with people on both sides and just friends with someone over the series and story, not the pairing.

in the pokemon fandom you can be a fan of misty or ash and misty's bond without being a shipper, but in this dumb fanbase anyone who liked sakura or liked naruto and sakura's bond or thought something could come of it is automatically a shipper.

 

the fandom did split up, most fans of narusaku and most neutral fans literally left the naruto fandom and stopped being fans of naruto period, and moved on to series they like much better, and have moved on with their lives, people like you on the other hand have this mindset that everyone who hates the ending is still part of the fandom and is always a shipper and haven't left, literally everyone here stays away from the naruto fandom and is no longer a part of the fandom, they are not involved in it, this literal site is no longer a naruto fandom site, its a general site of people that met through naruto and have similar likes and dislikes that those people hang out on, and is a safe haven from your so called "fandom" post ending, made up of rapid pro ender nh fans and ss fans stalking people on tumblr and other sources on everything they say even over a personal tumblr conversation between friends because apparently your "fandom" treats any conversation against the ending like a part of their "naruto fandom".when most original naruto fans left and the only ones still involved are shippers, and you guys for some reason obsess over what we talk about on this site like we haven't moved on when we have and just stay to talk to each other because we are friends.

 

also how are you stalking a site? how about the fact you are always on this thread every single day for several months  pestering people and "correcting" them when they don't care about your point of view on it, when everyone else here has a life and isn't here as much as you are, they'll come on like one time to make a post, then leave for hrs or the whole day or days or months before making a post, whereas you its like you literally stay on this site for hrs on end every single day all the time to pester everyone here.  not to mention when people tell you to stop nicely and leave them be you go on and on with replies to them and won't leave the individual alone, to the point several users had to leave this site to be away from you. maybe you could make your own thread to talk to people instead of pestering people here, and maybe just only reply to people who want to talk to you, and the big thing, NOT BE HERE EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR SEVERAL HRS AND JUST LIVE YOUR LIFE OUTSIDE THE INTERNET LIKE WE ALL ARE? literally everyone here is living their life instead of staying on this site 24/7

 

yeah, hinata can totally defend herself in the anime and in post ending pfft. manga? she was beaten to a pulp by neji, oneshot by pain before she could land a hit, and had trouble with a single zetzu and couldn't fight her own battles, and tripped over a rock. still helpless. still is a moe character. if you looked into other series to understand what a moe character was you would understand, helpless doesn't equal not having combat abilities whatsoever, it means having to rely on others the whole time, not able to fight your own battles, constantly being a damsel in distress, you know, like hinata is the whole manga? everyone here has watched/read countless other series besides naruto and naruto is not their first series, you on the other hand seems like you're a teenager or child trying to troll us who only has experience  with story writing through the naruto series

Edited by ultranx, 23 August 2017 - 12:58 AM.