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Posted 25 July 2022 - 08:51 AM

Agreed they really did need at least an arc of essentially filler episodes that show Sasuke and Naruto growing as friends maybe even 1 or 2 flashbacks that show them becoming friends before the academy with the friendship becoming strained in the academy because of Sasuke getting all the praise and attention while naruto struggles to even be noticed acting out when he does which causes triouble

 

then post massacre with Sasuke basically wanting to be alone Naruto tries to reach him but is pushed away which naruto takes badly because he doesnt understand so the rivalry grows stronger espeically when Sakura enters the picture which creates the infamous triangle


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Posted 26 July 2022 - 01:22 AM

I hate to bring in Star Wars, but a couple of the things people have said remind me it.

 

I definitely agree that Part 1 needed an additional filler arc that built on the Land of Waves Arc. For anyone familiar with the Red Letter Media Mr. Plinkett reviews of the prequels, one of his criticisms of them was that they didn’t really show any of the Obi-Wan/Anakin adventures and, at least one screen, didn’t act that way very often. the audience was mostly told about them. The NaruSasu friendship has the same issue. The spend most the series at odds and really only had the Land of Waves. There is some in the Chunnin Exams, but that arc does so many things you don’t get a ton of focus. A arc that spent most of that time would have helped the friendship feel the same way Naruto talked about it

 

Regarding what phantom said with respect to Naruto, i agree to an extent. I’m a big believer in the idea that the manga was supposed to end much sooner than it did. Naruto’s character stopped developing after Pain because there was nowhere else for it to go other than Sasuke. I think its one reason everything after it is so bad. Naruto had largely achieved his goals. He wasn’t Hokage, but he could have been named it right then and no one would have complained. Well, it did have one place it could go, but Kishimoto wasn’t willing to prod the weaknesses of Naruto’s worldview, so he stalled out and because a rudderless character. 

 

I actually think the Kage was terrible for the series in that the NaruSasu conflict worked on a micro level but as a solution for al the world’s problems, it doesn’t. If world peace were that simple, we’d have it. For example, the Earth and Water villages had no ties to the main plot and largely did nothing of substance. Brining in Sand and Cloud was fine as Naruto had direct connections with Gaara and Bee. But adding them cut off story threads that could have been used in the sequel without adding anything,

 

As far as the Uchiha are concerned, I actually have come to like the Senju-Uchiha conflict in that I can understand why people did what they did. It was actually a good way to demonstrate the system’s problems. It could have been really effective had it not been confined to a lore dump by resurrected Kage’s at the end of the series.  Well that, and the “love too much” fiasco. That was so bad and just a last ditch effort to resurrect the Uchiha’s negative potrayal throughout the series  If the conflict had been presented much earlier and in different way it could have worked.



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Posted 01 August 2022 - 09:29 PM

All the "special" Uchiha Jutsu with the Sharingan are if you ask me, Nate! And I mostly refer to Izanagi, Izanami, and Kotoamatsukami because of how stupid busted they are, even if the eye loses all sight.

The Uchiha's eyes are the swiss army knife of eyes, they have everything and can do everything.

Speaking of their eyes, can someone explain to me how does transferring ones Mangekyo eyes into another give you Eternal Mangekyo.

I mean my understanding of how it's suppose to work is that once you gain the Mangekyo you start losing your sight, the more you use its powers the quicker you lose your sight. And in order to regain your vision and more powers even, you have take the eyes of another Mangekyo sharingan user. That's what I remember.

 

Now maybe I'm the only one that thought about this, but how does transferring the eyes of someone who's losing their vision gets you back your vision? My understanding is that in order to get the Eternal, you need the eyes of someone who's got the Mangekyo, so someone who's losing or lost their sight. How does getting rid of your bad eyes and getting another's bad eyes gets you good vision?

 

I mean I know the whole transferring eyes thing was mainly so Itachi can scare Sasuke, at least in that point, but eventually it became the rule of how it works.


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 04:14 PM

Story wise id guess that the intent of the transfer is to basically how do I put this. its combines the two eyes into one super eye effectively wiping out the weakness of the individual eyes. and ppening access to the full power of the eyes

 

individually the sharingan while powerful cant handle the raw chakra needed to use all the speical powers the human eye can only take so much power flowing through it without damaging it

 

so the double mangekyo reinforces the eye to superhuman levels which allows it to channel chakra more easilly meaning theres no risk of blindness as the eye no longer deteriorates with each use

 

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Posted 02 August 2022 - 07:26 PM

 

The Uchiha's eyes are the swiss army knife of eyes, they have everything and can do everything.

Speaking of their eyes, can someone explain to me how does transferring ones Mangekyo eyes into another give you Eternal Mangekyo.

I mean my understanding of how it's suppose to work is that once you gain the Mangekyo you start losing your sight, the more you use its powers the quicker you lose your sight. And in order to regain your vision and more powers even, you have take the eyes of another Mangekyo sharingan user. That's what I remember.

 

Now maybe I'm the only one that thought about this, but how does transferring the eyes of someone who's losing their vision gets you back your vision? My understanding is that in order to get the Eternal, you need the eyes of someone who's got the Mangekyo, so someone who's losing or lost their sight. How does getting rid of your bad eyes and getting another's bad eyes gets you good vision?

 

I mean I know the whole transferring eyes thing was mainly so Itachi can scare Sasuke, at least in that point, but eventually it became the rule of how it works.

Story wise I'd guess that the intent of the transfer is to basically how do I put this. its combines the two eyes into one super eye effectively wiping out the weakness of the individual eyes. and opening access to the full power of the eyes

 

individually the sharingan while powerful cant handle the raw chakra needed to use all the special powers the human eye can only take so much power flowing through it without damaging it

 

so the double mangekyo reinforces the eye to superhuman levels which allows it to channel chakra more easily meaning there's no risk of blindness as the eye no longer deteriorates with each use

Cat gave the best excuse for how it possibly works; a single set is incomplete and damages the eyes causing blindness, combining two sets somehow stabilizes the eyes' power, and also restores the sight.

 

As for story-wise the problems with it was a mixture of kishimoto's habit of trying to keep powers and Ninjas balance, a reason for Itachi's actions, and his obsession of the Sasuke Naruto rivalry.

 

1) Kishimoto tends to prefer not to make broken characters or abilities. Characters tend to be specialist that are good at one form of fighting while poorer in other fields to justify teamwork...that never really happens. While powerful abilities tended to have draw backs.

 

From what I recall Dosu of the Sound was killed because Kishi thought he was too well balanced compared the rest of the genin during the chunin exam. Neji and Lee were close range fighter that lack range attacks. Gaara was a defensive stationary fighter, Shikamaru's shadow powers lack offensive abilities at the time, Kankuro relied on surprised and his puppets, Temari her fan, and Shino his bugs. Look at any fight Dosu was in, he was very versatile with his vibration gauntlet that made any fight lean in his favor unless there was a massive power discrepancy.

 

Team 7 should had in part one in theory had: Naruto was their close combat focus fighter that could scout, Sasuke a close-mid range ninjutsu fighter, Sakura a long range genjutsu support, and Kakashi an all-rounder with a problem with his stamina.

 

The Rasenshuriken couldn't be thrown at first for example of powerful abilities having limits and damages the users showing drawbacks. So, the same with the Mangekyo a fire that can't be put on, instant unbreakable illusions, and summons a giant invincible armor spirit all for the price of slowly losing your eye sight.

 

2) Originally, at least before he finally drew him, Itachi was suppose to be evil. An evil power hungry monster that murder his entire family to gain the power of the mangekyo sharingan and his reason for not Killing Sasuke was; he needed him to be his second set to gain even more power. Of course that was abandon for what both consumed both Kishimoto and the story all things to fuel that drawn out Naruto-Sasuke conflict.

 

3) As all should know Kishimoto was obsessed with the final battle being a final fight between Sasuke and Naruto and spent large portions in trying to justify it. One of his obsession was Sasuke and Naruto must be equal in power no matter how strong Naruto got. The thing due to being the container of Kurama once he gained access to his power Naruto would become instantly one of the strongest ninjas to ever exist. How was Sasuke suppose to match this? At first Kishimoto gave him the curse seal, but he clearly thought it would be stupid if it got passed the level 2 staged. So that left him with things like the Sage mode which Sasuke doesn't seem the type, or power up the sharingan till it could match the power of the nine-tailed fox. He went with the latter. So, the more powerful Naruto got the more broken the Mangekyo sharingan had to be to match him.


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Posted 02 August 2022 - 08:18 PM

The Uchiha's eyes are the swiss army knife of eyes, they have everything and can do everything.

Speaking of their eyes, can someone explain to me how does transferring ones Mangekyo eyes into another give you Eternal Mangekyo.

I mean my understanding of how it's suppose to work is that once you gain the Mangekyo you start losing your sight, the more you use its powers the quicker you lose your sight. And in order to regain your vision and more powers even, you have take the eyes of another Mangekyo sharingan user. That's what I remember.

 

Now maybe I'm the only one that thought about this, but how does transferring the eyes of someone who's losing their vision gets you back your vision? My understanding is that in order to get the Eternal, you need the eyes of someone who's got the Mangekyo, so someone who's losing or lost their sight. How does getting rid of your bad eyes and getting another's bad eyes gets you good vision?

 

I mean I know the whole transferring eyes thing was mainly so Itachi can scare Sasuke, at least in that point, but eventually it became the rule of how it works.


IIRC, it's not even just another Mangekyo Sharingan set in general, but specifically a set from a sibling who also had a Mangekyo Sharingan (so Madara taking Izuna's eyes and Sasuke getting Itachi's), so if you're a single child, you're SOL, lol.


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Posted 03 August 2022 - 04:34 PM

IIRC, it's not even just another Mangekyo Sharingan set in general, but specifically a set from a sibling who also had a Mangekyo Sharingan (so Madara taking Izuna's eyes and Sasuke getting Itachi's), so if you're a single child, you're SOL, lol.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:30 PM

Cat gave the best excuse for how it possibly works; a single set is incomplete and damages the eyes causing blindness, combining two sets somehow stabilizes the eyes' power, and also restores the sight.

 

As for story-wise the problems with it was a mixture of kishimoto's habit of trying to keep powers and Ninjas balance, a reason for Itachi's actions, and his obsession of the Sasuke Naruto rivalry.

 

1) Kishimoto tends to prefer not to make broken characters or abilities. Characters tend to be specialist that are good at one form of fighting while poorer in other fields to justify teamwork...that never really happens. While powerful abilities tended to have draw backs.

 

From what I recall Dosu of the Sound was killed because Kishi thought he was too well balanced compared the rest of the genin during the chunin exam. Neji and Lee were close range fighter that lack range attacks. Gaara was a defensive stationary fighter, Shikamaru's shadow powers lack offensive abilities at the time, Kankuro relied on surprised and his puppets, Temari her fan, and Shino his bugs. Look at any fight Dosu was in was very versatile with his vibration gauntlet that made any fight lean in his favor unless there was a massive power discrepancy.

 

Team 7 should had in part one in theory had: Naruto was their close combat focus fighter that could scout, Sasuke a close-mid range ninjutsu fighter, Sakura a long range genjutsu support, and Kakashi an all-rounder with a problem with his stamina.

 

The Rasenshuriken couldn't be thrown at first for example of powerful abilities having limits and damages the users showing drawbacks. So, the same with the Mangekyo a fire that can't be put on, instant unbreakable illusions, and summons a giant invincible armor spirit all for the price of slowly losing your eye sight.

 

2) Originally, at least before he finally drew him, Itachi was suppose to be evil. An evil power hungry monster that murder his entire family to gain the power of the mangekyo sharingan and his reason for not Killing Sasuke was; he needed him to be his second set to gain even more power. Of course that was abandon for what both consumed both Kishimoto and the story all things to fuel that drawn out Naruto-Sasuke conflict.

 

3) As all should know Kishimoto was obsessed with the final battle being a final fight between Sasuke and Naruto and spent large portions in trying to justify it. One of his obsession was Sasuke and Naruto must be equal in power no matter how strong Naruto got. The thing due to being the container of Kurama once he gained access to his power Naruto would become instantly one of the strongest ninjas to ever exist. How was Sasuke suppose to match this? At first Kishimoto gave him the curse seal, but he clearly thought it would be stupid if it got passed the level 2 staged. So that left him with things like the Sage mode which Sasuke doesn't seem the type, or power up the sharingan till it could match the power of the nine-tailed fox. He went with the latter. So, the more powerful Naruto got the more broken the Mangekyo sharingan had to be to match him.

 

Dosu being wasted was one of the few problems I had with part 1 given how interesting of a villain he was becoming with him learning that orochimaru just sees him as a pawn to lure in sasuke and then plans to kill sasuke to get back at him. Personally If I rewrote Naruto I'd probably would of had him fight Sakura in the final round of the chunin exam or when the invasion happens so that Sakura has a rematch against on of trhe sound ninja she was helpless against during the forest of death.

 

You know it probably would have been better for the uhchia if the sasano had been a power that got from other than from their eyes. like it  was an ancient spirit avatar or something they created or discovered to protect themselves against enemies like taijustu uses or giant summons or tailed beasts which their shiragan abilities really don't work well against. With them doing some kind of ritual or binding contract for them to awaken it. 

 

Honestly the more I think about Sasuke should have been the final opponent of the series, he should have had a story arc more like that of Harry Osborn in the Sam Rami trilogy. Be Naruto's enemy for a bit have a fight, learn he was wrong and help him in the final battle to redeem himself. Whether or not he dies like Harry I think is up for debate.







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