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#301 FireFox

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 10:54 PM

 

I think too that he's showing his true colors now, but he's forced to write about something he didn't decide in the beginning. So it must be difficult to find good ideas. IMO, that's why everything is so phony and bad.
I'm aware of the interviews, but I tend to interpret all this by the reaction of a really embarrassed man that does'nt know what to say anymore because editors tell him to say certain things, and he's also wanting to say other things to expiate himself, and sometimes the truth is just out of his mouth makes him even more embarrassed. That's how I interpret all this. But I understand some people are just angry at him. It's understandable. It's just that, I think there is something hidden under all that. I try to keep in mind that Kishimoto is NEVER ALONE TO DECIDE.

 

 

 

I don't think something because it's making me happy. I think something because it appears to me to be the truth.

 

Nah a good author is always creative or finds a way even fans are having better ideas  and that's a pity and pathetic bc it show how much of an failure he is . But I guess I can see where you're coming from in a way , though I really really don't think its the case as he leaves us little to no room for any interpretation ,so  agree to disagree then . Either way it still doesn't excuse him of his crap  that we can all agree on I think. 


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 11:07 PM

Nah a good author is always creative or finds a way even fans are having better ideas  and that's a pity and pathetic bc it show how much of an failure he is . But I guess I can see where you're coming from in a way , though I really really don't think its the case as he leaves us little to no room for any interpretation ,so  agree to disagree then . Either way it still doesn't excuse him of his crap  that we can all agree on I think. 

But my question is- so what if he was forced to make these decisions? So what? He's already admitted that he barely wrote the entirety of Naruto and that his editors influenced everything. That still doesn't excuse the belittlement out of his mouth. It doesn't excuse the blatant sexism found in his work either.It comes off as if he wanted to be their yes-man instead of going against them. So saying that his editors/other influences excuse his behavior is unreasonable. I agree with you.


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 11:22 PM

But my question is- so what if he was forced to make these decisions? So what? He's already admitted that he barely wrote the entirety of Naruto and that his editors influenced everything. That still doesn't excuse the belittlement out of his mouth. It doesn't excuse the blatant sexism found in his work either.It comes off as if he wanted to be their yes-man instead of going against them. So saying that his editors/other influences excuse his behavior is unreasonable. I agree with you.

Yeah that's what I was pointing out . True author stays true to himself and his story he doesn't allow others dictate his life work as many great authors have shown that and pointed out time and a time again when their work becomes more and more popular . But Kishi just sold out as he bluntly admitted it and said tons of other horrible things  and then laughed at us his "fans" even visually showing it sign. This is more then enough to accuse him of his BS let alone all the rest  there's just no saving grace in here . 


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 11:23 PM

But my question is- so what if he was forced to make these decisions? So what? He's already admitted that he barely wrote the entirety of Naruto and that his editors influenced everything. That still doesn't excuse the belittlement out of his mouth. It doesn't excuse the blatant sexism found in his work either.It comes off as if he wanted to be their yes-man instead of going against them. So saying that his editors/other influences excuse his behavior is unreasonable. I agree with you.

 

Well it's difficult to talk about sexism when it comes to Japan.

The american/european model is really different. What is appearing sexist to us is not really sexist in Japan.

 

Also, I know he said some things really weird, but I think we are interpreting it as mockery while it's not that.

Kishimoto wouldn't mock us, they all know the money and celebrity come from us.
They are just trying to excuse themselves that's all. They are all embarrassed and they don't know what to say anymore.

Well I'm not saying that it's the actual truth, because we will never know the whole story for sure... but I'm certain there is something off. All those interviews, what he is writing right now... Naruto still calling Sakura "Sakura-chan" and smiling brightly only when talking about her... LOL
Something's off. Definitely. He never intended to make MinaKushi a red herring. We were supposed to see NaruSaku's future in it.

 

But well, Kishimoto has been weak about all that. It was difficult for sure, and he had a lot of pressure, but maybe if he had been stronger then...


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 11:45 PM

 

Well it's difficult to talk about sexism when it comes to Japan.

The american/european model is really different. What is appearing sexist to us is not really sexist in Japan.

 

Also, I know he said some things really weird, but I think we are interpreting it as mockery while it's not that.

Kishimoto wouldn't mock us, they all know the money and celebrity come from us.
They are just trying to excuse themselves that's all. They are all embarrassed and they don't know what to say anymore.

Well I'm not saying that it's the actual truth, because we will never know the whole story for sure... but I'm certain there is something off. All those interviews, what he is writing right now... Naruto still calling Sakura "Sakura-chan" and smiling brightly only when talking about her... LOL
Something's off. Definitely. He never intended to make MinaKushi a red herring. We were supposed to see NaruSaku's future in it.

 

But well, Kishimoto has been weak about all that. It was difficult for sure, and he had a lot of pressure, but maybe if he had been stronger then...

I understand and respect your point of view but I disagree.  

 

I believe that Western sexism =/= Eastern sexism, but that also doesn't exclude that sexism still exists. Japan still has sexist attributes that discriminate against women, since it is a male-dominated society. The fact that people like Kishimoto think it's okay to write off almost every female character as a love interest (or if not a love interest, fat and depressed) is a huge issue. And I'm not saying that having a love interest is an issue- but when the entirety of that character's personality revolves around it then yeah, it causes problems. That's dehumanizing. (And it's not just that; the whole making Sakura pretty for popularity, the absence of backgrounds for female characters, etc.)

 

Mockery is mockery. He literally said that NS and the Minakushi parallel was a red herring just to troll fans. He didn't even have to address that. There was no need for him to say that. He also said that a woman changing her heart would be a bad thing. Maybe he didn't want to be mean, but that's still involuntary mockery of all women. It comes to a point where you really have to question why he does these interviews anyway. It would have been better if he'd just stay silent and only do a small amount of talking like Tite Kubo. He made the entire situation worse for himself because of his mouth.  


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Posted 27 May 2015 - 12:16 AM

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So you also know that in the raw Naruto still calls "Sakura-chan"? Why didn't you say that earlier?

 

 

Well, I didn't knew it back then

 

After better translations came out we got the confirmation that Naruto still said "Sakura-chan", not that it matters, it's empty now because naruto and Sakura aren't that close anymore even as friends


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Posted 27 May 2015 - 01:08 AM

 

The English ones come in the early hours of Thursday, the raws usually the following Monday (when it's officially released in Japan).

Oh, thanks! ^_^

 

Well, I didn't knew it back then

 

After better translations came out we got the confirmation that Naruto still said "Sakura-chan", not that it matters, it's empty now because naruto and Sakura aren't that close anymore even as friends

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