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#45561 TheBestUsernameEver

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:45 AM

2. Ah I see. You're right.
3. True. But Naruto keeping his promise had no signifying development or meaning to the end chapters and the movie. So, I don't really see the necessity of keeping Sasuke connected to the village.
4. But I would think that SP would NOT want an SS kid being in the same generation as their NH kid. Because an SS kid would trump in popularity compared to the NH kid. Salad is a girl, yet she still has more popularity than Boruto at this point. It would have been better if it were a SK kid. SK isn't popular so her kid wouldn't be as popular as a SS kid would be.

3.Sasuke's connection to Konoha is necessary as it brings him around for part 3. He's a fan favourite so he brings his fans along for part 3.With Karin he has no reason to return to Konoha.SS is just to simplify things in part 3. Its just a profit making, fan-pleasing plot device.
4.I think SS was SJ influenced and not SP influenced.But even then SS was sidelined for NH.
For part 3 SP has to gather as many fans as possible.Doesn't matter if they come because of Bolt or Sarada.They are rebooting the series so the first agenda would be to establish a new loyal fanbase for it I believe. And SP hates Karin too.

I don't think Perriot expected this backlash tbh.They expected that the people(especially Kakashi and Sasuke fans) would be dissatisfied AFTER watching the film, so they promoted them the most to reel in those fans in the earliest days.And it worked.No studio makes a movie to lose money.I think the incompetent members of the research team miscalculated Hinata's popularity.They made a movie thinking that that's what the people in the west wanted.And its no wonder they came to this conclusion because Hinata fans really are the loudest. NB,NF,Facebook,youtube you name it.Nana Mizuki also played a part in this.Albiet not the major reason for the disaster I think still SP wanted to cash in on her fanbase. They expected negetive responses but not a full on backlash.

Edited by TheBestUsernameEver, 03 January 2015 - 10:46 AM.


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:01 AM

The reason for why the film is inapplicable to the cnaon timeline is that it violates Naruto's established inability to use clones at the beginning of the manga. Readers are lead to believe that Naruto was a dimwitted underdog who began with nothing but the clothes on his back and a fiery will to change himself. What The Last tries to do is subvert his first actual accomplishment by retroactively writing that Naruto was able to use clones from early childhood when he apparently already had an established connection to Hinata when in the manga his knowledge of her was limited to his perception that she was awkward and quiet.The crap from this film is not coincident with the manga. It spits in the face of what was established because Pierrot can't separate their hormones from their wretched skulls. When events from the film are contradictory to the manga, the order of importance dictates that the manga's explanation comes first, regardless of Pierrot's petty attempt at claiming their anime is important to the story Kishi established. 

Fair enough. I can agree that if the movie contradicts the manga then manga is more credible than the movie. But then, what are you going to make of Hyuuga's Tenseigan abilities? There is nothing in the manga that states this can't happen.

Resentment felt towards Hinata only escalated into a raging wildefire once the actual contents of the film were revealed and people came back from the theatres realising that they had been duped by false advertisement. General opinion seemed fairly modest before the 24th of November and 6th of December came around.

I think you misunderstood my post earlier. Resentment towards her character existed before the movie. The resentment towards the NH pairing was AFTER the movie.

General opinion seemed fairly modest regarding the pairings, NOT the character.

In fact, from your own account, it seems that most people were more interested in vilifying Sakura for her lack of acknowledgement towards Naruto in the last two chapters.

Could you quote me from earlier? I don't think I said that. I think I said that I saw some comments of people feeling sorry for Naruto and hated on Sakura for her fake confession. Which turned into Naruto hate and victimizing Sakura's character in the LAST. And I also posted some comments about people saying that chapter 699 resets her development but that was nowhere near as "most".

The supicious placement of Hinata in the promotional content may have caught the eyes of the Japanese fandom, but how many of them could have anticipated that it was to be her role to butcher the sanctity of the characters we know for her own benefit? It was assumed that her role would be greater since Toneri was established as a villain interested in the Hyuga - not that "Hyuga" would mean Hinata alone while her emptyheaded pining for Naruto takes centre stage. 

True story.

Words coming from the studio that is already reaping the benefits from their underhanded tactics. If the backlash is severe enough, they may just distance themselves from the comments given by two men to preserve whatever dignity they have left before it's destroyed in their next scheme, after which they will attempt to protect themselves again and the cycle will go on for the 12 movies that are rumoured to be in development.

I doubt it. What is your reason for thinking that SP would make a rational decision? So far, we only have proof that they've done anything but that.

Frankly, I never cared for Neji myself. To me he was just a Hyuga equivalent to the Sasuke archetype with an added quirk of being a loyalist dog to Konoha who thought he and his clan were better than they actually are (this is prior to the bastardisation that takes place in The Last). Neji's legitimacy as an important player in the game dried up sometime at the end of Part 1.You'll have to forgive me because I don't recall Neji's face being in the last popularity cover that Kishi drew. It could just be a memory lapse brought on by my utter contempt for Kishi and Naruto though. 

He was ranked number 7 in the total character poll and that was BEFORE he died protecting Naruto. And SP and Kishi yet decided to kitten on a number 7 character for number 6.

The fact that they feel it important enough to go out of their way to bribe for fradulent reviews and automated machines is a clear indicator for all of this negative reception actually having an effect on them. It's perceived as a threat to the benefit of their film. While that may not be the sort of consideration from Pierrot that most of us are hoping for, it's a sign that they are able to recognise us. 

I understand what you mean. And I must agree. They recognize the dissatisfied fans.

This is only a thought, but I believe that it's going to take more than just a 2 or 3 second cut of Sasuke to pique the curiousity of fans. If the rumours about Sasuke being the sensei of the Hinata spawn are somehow proven accurate, that may be enough for a percentage of the disenfranchised to reconsider their stance on not watching it.With a newly reformed Sasuke taking up the mantle of sensei, some might even begin to see him as being a combination of his old personality with the responsibilities, grit, and intelligence of a teacher like Kakashi who he was once likened to. Two popular characters in one!Such an event wouldn't earn back everyone, of course, but it may just be enough to salvage the studio's reputation if they feed the Sasuke fans (and by extension, Kakashi fans) what they want.

Then what do you think are the percentage of Sasuke fans going to watch a movie? I've seen Sasuke fans already predicting that this new movie is a lame attempt of SP trying to damage Sasuke's character so a NH kid and Naruto would look better. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I doubt Sasuke fans are going to give SP a second chance. But then again, I don't know how a Sasuke fan feels anymore because I stopped being his fan at chapter 698 when he threw away his resolution like dust and ended his character. But if I were them, the more they try to cater to us, the more furious I'll become of how they're trying to toy with us so we can fill their pockets when we already did so with this whole Sasuke merchandise in the LAST.
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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:02 AM

Today's ep of Naruto Part 1 here is when Jiraiya introduced Gamabunta to Naruto. Naruto stood on Gamabunta. Gamabunta moved to brink (brink? gap?cliff?). Then Jiraiya said, "Finally you (Naruto) can make your Sakura out". Then Naruto and Gamabunta scene. Then Jiraiya said that again. At first I thought it has to be chakra, not Sakura. But when Jiraiya said that for the second time, it's clear he said Sakura

 

Anyone still remember this ep? I think this NH ending makes me hearing something that bad.  :twitch:  :twitch:  :twitch:


Edited by xpopurix, 03 January 2015 - 11:04 AM.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:07 AM

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I don't remember. But I believe it is chakra. No, it's chakra and not sakura.
Global tv right?

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:08 AM

3.Sasuke's connection to Konoha is necessary as it brings him around for part 3. He's a fan favourite so he brings his fans along for part 3.With Karin he has no reason to return to Konoha.SS is just to simplify things in part 3. Its just a profit making, fan-pleasing plot device.

That actually makes sense. They need Sasuke to bring in money.

4.I think SS was SJ influenced and not SP influenced.But even then SS was sidelined for NH.
For part 3 SP has to gather as many fans as possible.Doesn't matter if they come because of Bolt or Sarada.They are rebooting the series so the first agenda would be to establish a new loyal fanbase for it I believe. And SP hates Karin too.


So they're totally hoping for a completely new fanbase to watch a movie about a kid called Boruto out of nowhere? That doesn't really make sense though. Why not they make a completely new character and a new movie that has nothing to do with Naruto. People who never watched Naruto will not watch it because they think it's a continuation of Naruto. And people who watched Naruto won't watch it for obvious reasons.

I don't think Perriot expected this backlash tbh.They expected that the people(especially Kakashi and Sasuke fans) would be dissatisfied AFTER watching the film, so they promoted them the most to reel in those fans in the earliest days.And it worked.No studio makes a movie to lose money.I think the incompetent members of the research team miscalculated Hinata's popularity.They made a movie thinking that that's what the people in the west wanted.And its no wonder they came to this conclusion because Hinata fans really are the loudest. NB,NF,Facebook,youtube you name it.Nana Mizuki also played a part in this.Albiet not the major reason for the disaster I think still SP wanted to cash in on her fanbase. They expected negetive responses but not a full on backlash.

Completely agree. They were stupid and incompetent. They thought that everyone in the world shared their moe-obsessed princess fairy tale. I can only wonder what kind of upbringing they have to think like this.
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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:17 AM

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I think we shouldn't take hasty judgement over burito series. You never know what market want. They could like it or hate it. If they like it, we could get another 5 or ten year story. If they hate it, the series failed and we can laugh at it.

I think they will go as far as rip hunterxhunter completely. They could explore the naruto world by making narutoverse dark continent. I will not surprise if they did it.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:17 AM

Naruto and Hinata are really having another kid. I thought that was just a rumor?

This sentence sounds like a statement. Really.  :facepalm:


Edited by xpopurix, 03 January 2015 - 11:18 AM.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:21 AM

This sentence sounds like a statement. Really.  :facepalm:

When kishi forget something, it only mean that is not important.
Case in point, he forget about sakura :zaru:

It only show you how useless byakugan is, outside of it vision ability.
I mean how could he forget about byakugan when he create two children of nh.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:23 AM

NaruSaku kids look way better than those fugly naruhina kids

 

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:24 AM

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I don't remember. But I believe it is chakra. No, it's chakra and not sakura.
Global tv right?

Yeah. Some episode in a day. Now it's 15:30 until 17:00 if I'm not mistaken. I often regret to check some channels at those hours. "Nooo. It's Naruto - (talking o Naruto) If you know that based on Kishi you don't know what love is until you're 18. Don't waste your time with Sakura-chan."  :facepalm:  

 

That was clear "Sa-" not "cha-" tho. Idk. Lets end this. It doesn't deserve attention  :wave:


Edited by xpopurix, 03 January 2015 - 11:25 AM.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:26 AM

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:28 AM

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2. Not a COMPLETELY new fan base. Just a loyal fanbase. They're targeting the old loyal fans of the series by promising more Sasuke screen-time. Fans who would still want more of him would come.
Its a new world in the Narutoverse. Its no longer about ninjas.There's technology and all that jazz. THAT brings in the new fans.Boruto being Naruto's kid brings in (even though few) the older fans.
Its easier to work with a series with an established set of rules and characters. Starting a series from scratch- creating a whole new world,set of characters, establishing new charachter dynamics etc would require major work. And as is evident by the lazy writing of The Last Perriot is just not good enough to pull this off. The Last just copy pastes SNS and NS and a few NH moments from the manga.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:44 AM

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2. Not a COMPLETELY new fan base. Just a loyal fanbase. They're targeting the old loyal fans of the series by promising more Sasuke screen-time. Fans who would still want more of him would come.
Its a new world in the Narutoverse. Its no longer about ninjas.There's technology and all that jazz. THAT brings in the new fans.Boruto being Naruto's kid brings in (even though few) the older fans.
Its easier to work with a series with an established set of rules and characters. Starting a series from scratch- creating a whole new world,set of characters, establishing new charachter dynamics etc would require major work. And as is evident by the lazy writing of The Last Perriot is just not good enough to pull this off. The Last just copy pastes SNS and NS and a few NH moments from the manga.

Sounds like complete flop to me.

Would they be THAT insane!? (Yes, they will)
Trying to bring in loyal Naruto fans in a movie that isn't about ninjas but technology just because Sasuke is in it? That's a really a stupid idea they have there. Why the hell would anyone want to watch a movie where Sasuke is a useless mentor of a boy who isn't a shinobi? What is he going to teach? Nuclear Physics? Peace between technology and ninjas?

I mean yeah, I've got to admit I can totally see them doing this.....but still it's so absurd
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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:48 AM

i'm still figure why that man put the absurd technology in the epilogue........

Holy kitten, the technology in THE LAST was even more advanged than that we have in our real world. LMAO


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:49 AM

Sounds like complete flop to me.

Would they be THAT insane!? (Yes, they will)
Trying to bring in loyal Naruto fans in a movie that isn't about ninjas but technology just because Sasuke is in it? That's a really a stupid idea they have there. Why the hell would anyone want to watch a movie where Sasuke is a useless mentor of a boy who isn't a shinobi? What is he going to teach? Nuclear Physics? Peace between technology and ninjas?

I mean yeah, I've got to admit I can totally see them doing this.....but still it's so absurd

I am fully confident that both Part 3 and the new movie will fail horribly.
The Last I was sure would be a success because it was advertised as the last film of the franchise,699.5, a must-watch as it answers all the left questions etc. But Part 3 will fall flat on its face just like Hinata.

i'm still figure why that man put the absurd technology in the epilogue........
Holy kitten, the technology in THE LAST was even more advanged than that we have in our real.
world. LMAO

Two reasons. First to show how fast the world progresses after the war in times of peace.
Second to establish a completely new universe for part 3.

Edited by TheBestUsernameEver, 03 January 2015 - 11:56 AM.


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:58 AM

Fair enough. I can agree that if the movie contradicts the manga then manga is more credible than the movie. But then, what are you going to make of Hyuuga's Tenseigan abilities? There is nothing in the manga that states this can't happen.


"You can't prove that there's not an invisible clown juggling pie dishes laden with monkey feces and venemous scorpions in the corner of my room."

Same principle as the people who use the "you can't prove it doesn't exist" claim for a doujutsu that was never stated or implied to exist in the manga. It's up to the person who makes the allegation to offer up proof for its existence.
 

I think you misunderstood my post earlier. Resentment towards her character existed before the movie. The resentment towards the NH pairing was AFTER the movie.

General opinion seemed fairly modest regarding the pairings, NOT the character.


What did they have to crucify Hinata for preceding the release of this movie? She was a blank slate whose actions consisted of being released from the Tsukuyomi, staring solemnly at the ground during a funeral, and replying to her disgusting cockroach spawn while placing flowers on Neji's grave.

Short of cursing Hinata for being alive instead of Neji - a circumstance that they would already be venting over for some time now since it was established two years ago - they have no reason to detest Hinata unless it had to do with her obssessive romantic feelings for Naruto.
 

Could you quote me from earlier? I don't think I said that. I think I said that I saw some comments of people feeling sorry for Naruto and hated on Sakura for her fake confession. Which turned into Naruto hate and victimizing Sakura's character in the LAST. And I also posted some comments about people saying that chapter 699 resets her development but that was nowhere near as "most".


I'm not going to scavenge through your posts for one measely quote. But from what I recall, either you or someone who was familiar with the Japanese fandom was explaining that the sentiments felt towards Sakura for her lack of appreciation or acknowledgement towards Naruto in the last two chapters bothered people.

If you didn't make that reference then I apologise for crediting you with that information.
 

I doubt it. What is your reason for thinking that SP would make a rational decision? So far, we only have proof that they've done anything but that.


They had enough sense to use ambiguous terminology with the sketches and appeal to the interests of those who wanted to see Kakashi, Sasuke, and Team 7 in action with their ads. Pierrot may be prejudiced, but they are able to recognise what is able to generate hype when they're promoting a film.

Since the fans are wearier to their schemes, they will either make good on the promotions (no matter how half-assed the effort may be) or they continue to lose profit and appeal.
 

He was ranked number 7 in the total character poll and that was BEFORE he died protecting Naruto. And SP and Kishi yet decided to kitten on a number 7 character for number 6.


Who is number 6? And why is the death of a popular character so demonised? I assume it has to do with either the execution or the motives behind it.
 

Then what do you think are the percentage of Sasuke fans going to watch a movie? I've seen Sasuke fans already predicting that this new movie is a lame attempt of SP trying to damage Sasuke's character so a NH kid and Naruto would look better. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I doubt Sasuke fans are going to give SP a second chance. But then again, I don't know how a Sasuke fan feels anymore because I stopped being his fan at chapter 698 when he threw away his resolution like dust and ended his character. But if I were them, the more they try to cater to us, the more furious I'll become of how they're trying to toy with us so we can fill their pockets when we already did so with this whole Sasuke merchandise in the LAST.


From what you have told us, these people are already willing to turn a blind eye towards certain injustices because the concept of romance doesn't concern them, no matter how despicable or spontaneous it may seem. They sound eerily similar to the blind critics over at NB who care little for reasoning or justification for the things they support and oppose. Of course, this isn't a broad brush that encompasses all of their opinons. But there is still plenty to find fault for when they have no grievances over what Kishi did in the final two chapters to justify horrors like SS.

And yes, I do believe that there are a number of people over at 2chan who are gullible enough to feed into Pierrot's promotions. If they won't enjoy the film for Hinata spawn then they'll attend the premiere to savour those moments dedicated to Sasuke and his bastard spawn.



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Posted 03 January 2015 - 12:12 PM

i'm still figure why that man put the absurd technology in the epilogue........
Holy kitten, the technology in THE LAST was even more advanged than that we have in our real world. LMAO

It only took 4 year for them to create smart phone, hologram technology, and chakra canon.
And it only take 12 year to make barren rock on konoha to become New York City.

Oh and I don't see any sign of mass transportation. Like train maybe.

Edited by rocci, 03 January 2015 - 12:15 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 12:17 PM

That New York city and Technology cracked me up.



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Posted 03 January 2015 - 12:23 PM

i'm still figure why that man put the absurd technology in the epilogue........
Holy kitten, the technology in THE LAST was even more advanged than that we have in our real world. LMAO

they'll surely use that for the third series plot or whatever ...the us of technology in the narutoverse always bothered me, especially since they do that in almost every movie except RtN..but now, it's just too much..I'm not against progress but that one is kinda ruining the original universe kishi created

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 12:45 PM

"You can't prove that there's not an invisible clown juggling pie dishes laden with monkey feces and venemous scorpions in the corner of my room."
Same principle as the people who use the "you can't prove it doesn't exist" claim for a doujutsu that was never stated or implied to exist in the manga. It's up to the person who makes the allegation to offer up proof for its existence.

The difference between Naruto's Kage bunshin no jutsu when he was five years old and Tenseigan doujutsu ability is that the Kagebunshin contradicts manga canon. The movie is canon as well but since manga > movie, the manga would be more credible. Tenseigan doujutsu ability was never stated in the canon manga but since it was shown in the canon movie, it exists. Because the next credible source to a manga is the canon movie which is supposed to be chapter 699.5.
 

What did they have to crucify Hinata for preceding the release of this movie? She was a blank slate whose actions consisted of being released from the Tsukuyomi, staring solemnly at the ground during a funeral, and replying to her disgusting cockroach spawn while placing flowers on Neji's grave.
Short of cursing Hinata for being alive instead of Neji - a circumstance that they would already be venting over for some time now since it was established two years ago - they have no reason to detest Hinata unless it had to do with her obssessive romantic feelings for Naruto.
 


It's mostly about the character wank she receives from the loud fans and SP over glorifying her time and again. Their hate for her stems from some factors outside the canon manga. But there are also hate her for her "Naruto-kuning"

They had enough sense to use ambiguous terminology with the sketches and appeal to the interests of those who wanted to see Kakashi, Sasuke, and Team 7 in action with their ads. Pierrot may be prejudiced, but they are able to recognise what is able to generate hype when they're promoting a film.
Since the fans are wearier to their schemes, they will either make good on the promotions (no matter how half-assed the effort may be) or they continue to lose profit and appeal.


Fair enough I can see where you're coming from. Let's wait and see then.
 

Who is number 6? And why is the death of a popular character so demonised? I assume it has to do with either the execution or the motives behind it.

Sorry that was a mistype. I meant number 11 which is Hinata. They probably want to make Neji look like a jerk so people will stop blaming him for Hinata's death. I don't really know their motivations.
 

From what you have told us, these people are already willing to turn a blind eye towards certain injustices because the concept of romance doesn't concern them, no matter how despicable or spontaneous it may seem. They sound eerily similar to the blind critics over at NB who care little for reasoning or justification for the things they support and oppose. Of course, this isn't a broad brush that encompasses all of their opinons. But there is still plenty to find fault for when they have no grievances over what Kishi did in the final two chapters to justify horrors like SS.
And yes, I do believe that there are a number of people over at 2chan who are gullible enough to feed into Pierrot's promotions. If they won't enjoy the film for Hinata spawn then they'll attend the premiere to savour those moments dedicated to Sasuke and his bastard spawn.

Well can you blame them? They believed the false advertisement that the movie will solve every question they have and answer them. I myself and several posters here decided not to trash the chapter until we actually saw the LAST. Because for all we know the movie could actually make sense like they promised it would. But we were played as fools in the end.

Let's wait and see if there really are some people who would watch the movie.
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