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#31561 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:11 PM

Crimson Fox, the assistant is Ikemoto that "volunteered" to work on the Boruto manga, which is a massive failure. However he has been dealing with a burden that should have been Kishi's for the past ten years. To openly stab him in the back would pretty much blacklist him from the industry as no one would be able to trust working for him. If there is to be a rewrite of the ending it has to be handled carefully. Granted I get the increasing feeling that the various companies are tired of Boruto's poor performance.

 

For stories it always best to go for a simple answer only going more elaborate when the simple doesn't fit.

 

No matter what it quite clear that Kishimoto didn't really look into his fanbase, more than he was told by others, till after the ending.

 

Just so everyone understands Slam Dunk is considered THE SHOUNEN SPORTS MANGA. The one that set the standard that all sports manga follow after. It also still one of the most profitable manga ever and I think still in the top ten. It was huge in the 90s.

 

Phantom/Kagomaru, people don't like the rug pull out from under them. If they get invested in a story they want a satisfying pay off. Part of that for romance if a manga spend years building up a couple they expect them to get together. That not happening greatly annoys the sexually frustrated Japanese.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 19 March 2024 - 02:35 AM.


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Posted 26 March 2024 - 11:29 AM

Crimson Fox, the assistant is Ikemoto that "volunteered" to work on the Boruto manga, which is a massive failure. However he has been dealing with a burden that should have been Kishi's for the past ten years. To openly stab him in the back would pretty much blacklist him from the industry as no one would be able to trust working for him. If there is to be a rewrite of the ending it has to be handled carefully. Granted I get the increasing feeling that the various companies are tired of Boruto's poor performance.

 

For stories it always best to go for a simple answer only going more elaborate when the simple doesn't fit.

 

No matter what it quite clear that Kishimoto didn't really look into his fanbase, more than he was told by others, till after the ending.

 

Just so everyone understands Slam Dunk is considered THE SHOUNEN SPORTS MANGA. The one that set the standard that all sports manga follow after. It also still one of the most profitable manga ever and I think still in the top ten. It was huge in the 90s.

 

Phantom/Kagomaru, people don't like the rug pull out from under them. If they get invested in a story they want a satisfying pay off. Part of that for romance if a manga spend years building up a couple they expect them to get together. That not happening greatly annoys the sexually frustrated Japanese.

 

Sorry it took so long to get back to you because...

 

Well, I going to admit I do not like pull out from underneath when the ending doesn't go my way. But it does not impact me as much as before 10 years ago.

 

Anyways...

 

I have mixed feelings, because I never expected that Ikemoto that I see people talk (very bad impression) about on social media and some old anime forums I visited from time to time talked about him was  "the NH assistant" that has been with Kishi. This comes to me as a shock because I thought Ikemoto was just some random artists/author SJ pulled out of nowhere for Boruto. Besides from you, I heard of shading things he's done on Twitter now X. Is it true that he has a Sarada fetish or its just peoples assumption  :sweat:

 

Reason why I have mixed feelings because on one hand, I blamed/hated him from preventing a NS ending, which made  stopped shipping character together from numerous stories I stumbled upon this past decade in general. On the other hand, I thanked him because during the final 2 years of Naruto manga, I started getting tired of manga and anime. I did mentioned during my debates serval time in 2013-2014. Not only here, but when I was still in involved in the shipping wars on OneManga and Mangafox. The ending forced me to move. Made me read more manga. Also opened a new door for me that introduced me to Manwa... my first being The Breaker series I read back in 2015 (I still got to read the third season). 

 

If Naruto ended NS. There's at least a 90% chance that my last post on this forum will be somewhere in 2015. Happy (sort of) that theory will never happen because I love being here  :thumb:

 

But that's besides the point. As you told me 2 years ago that Ikemoto was replaced,  I assumed that this will impact his resume as a potential major mangaka in the future because of his involvement of the endgame pairings and him being kicked out from Boruto him if I'm correct. I think that I did not fully addressed your last post about NH being part of popularity. Now I really see the complications.  

 

Theoretically, there to talks between SJ and Kishi's entire studio about how about the conclusion and future sequel that's to follow after Naruto's conclusion. I'm not sure if many of you remember, I've seen SJ's magazine promote NS on the cover page of their magazine part of a Valentine special at least once. The higher brass of SJ had to know that NH and SS could have a negative outcome on the ending. Someone has to take the blame and heat if things goes south. So I wondered if its possible Ikemoto was exiled from Boruto because of this too?

 

NS spinoff/reboot will be very trick to pull off without adding more salt to Ikemoto's wounds. To tack on more on this theory, there is a possibility that if Boruto ever gets axed or remains in the red for a long period of time, a spinoff or reboot might be needed to least attempt to fix the previous ending. It's not like it has never been done before in the world of manga and anime. It seems to be the trend these days in Japan, especially, the gaming industry. Companies like Capcom and Square Enix are rebooting/recreating their popular old games. Granted, a lot of it has to do with upgraded art and graphics to meet modern standards.

 

So it's still in the realm of possibility. That's just me saying. Well that puts a wrap to it. 

 

Bail, I do trust information on the franchise comes from you so I might PM you in the future if I need and info if that's alright?


Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 26 March 2024 - 11:31 AM.

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Posted Yesterday, 03:12 AM

Other, Kishimoto has never mentioned the Dragon Quest anime you watched as his primary inspiration for Naruto in any interview. He has mentioned that the NartuoXSasukeXSakura dynamics were based off of Slam Dunk. Which I assume you have not watch/read. Hanamichi Sakuragi was a dumb punk that falls in love with Haruko Akagi an avid basketball fan that has a crush on the ace's of her high school's basketball team the gifted Kaeda Rukawa. To win her affection Sakuragi joins the team and is rivals with Rukawa. In Slam Dunk, none of them end up together at the end. Rukawa was never interested in Akagi, and Sakuragi eventually became more interested in focusing on basketball. So if Haruko got together with Sakuragi, She would have been Haruko Sakuragi. Haruko Sakuragi. Haruno, Sakura. Sakura Haruno.

 

Crimson Fox, it is clear that you have given a lot of time to thinking deeply into why the ending happen, and you hope that Kishimoto's reasonings were just as deep to justify your contemplations.

 

The simple truth is this. Kishimoto did not have any long term story with tons of intricacies. His story is quite simple. For most of the characters of Naruto, unless they managed to hold his interest, their initial story was all they were going to get. 

 

For Sakura that means, near the end of the manga she would discover that Naruto was the one that gave her the forehead comment and fall in love with him. Of course plans change, as there was a change in how girls are portrayed in shounen, going from rarely fighting and mainly just hit the main character comically, to can and will fight while still hitting the main character comically, but that meant Kishimoto never really knew what to do with her beyond that. As he never fully understood the change nor embraced it.

 

Yahagi was Kishimoto's editor until right before the Pein arc. He was his editor for about 10 years when the average is 2. After Yahagi, Kishimoto went through 14 different editors in 5 years. Rumors have it that after Yahagi his next editor was a big fan of Hinata even wanting her to become the love interest/heroine and was the one pushing her to have the scenes she got in the Pein arc.

 

You seem to think that just because they didn't get together after the Rescue Gaara arc that Kishimoto abandoned it right then and there. When again, it was more him wanting them to get together at the end of the manga. If they did end the pairing at that arc. Why did Sakura have the moment when Naruto was in 4-tails? Why did she try to feed him ramen after the Shikamaru arc? Why she hug him after Pein? Why did she keep having scenes like that till near the end of the manga? The answer is again, they were suppose to get together until Kishimoto was 'convinced' to change it at the last minute.

 

Sakura is Kishimoto's type. He married a woman that everyone says is very like Sakura.

 

Kishimoto has said multiple times he does not get the appeal of Hinata, but went with her because he was told she was what the fans wanted. He understand why people like SS and thinks it's cliche. That might have changed after seeing how far Naruto-Boruto has fallen, but he can't do anything right now without it look like he is stabbing his former assistant in the back.

 

As for the Japanese fanbase...what has happened to Star Wars is a good analogue. Naruto's manga average sale was 3.47 million. Boruto averages out at around 100k. The SS manga got about 50K. Most of the Japanese fanbase either understand that the ending was a move to appease the Western Fanbase, or just assume it was his intention. Either way most have moved on with only nH and SS really staying around, with SS being the larger one by far.

i don't doubt slam dunk was a inspiration i don't remember him saying that but it's hard to find interviews with kishi now unfortunately. but for dragon quest i feel the similarities are pretty numerous. "a fire that doesn't go out till the target burns away"? even demon slayer pretty clearly copied dragon quest despite the author not saying it was an inspiration. it's not only dragon quest but also beet the vandal buster which was written by the same author which has similarity to naruto (in beet the vandal buster beet leaves for 3 years and reunites with poala his love interest). maam who's similar to sakura in the story has no skill and decides to leave to train and be useful to her team (not unlike sakura). she's also a tsundere and i think pop also calls her a monster because of her strength (not a hundred percent sure) and tells himself not to play around with her now that she can break rocks with her legs (pretty similar once again). there's also a ridiculously similar scene to the confession sakura does to sasuke in the series so i'm pretty convinced kishimoto took inspiration from it. there's a lot of similarity with zetsu with one character and one character was also a little similar to kaguya. all of the disciples of avan also wear pendants which might be similar to the first hokage necklace naruto was given too which in dragon quest also protect the wearer. dai's transformation also is triggered by his anger which is like how naruto used the nine tails power as well. also keep in mind slam dunk didn't have someone similar to hinata or karin (i assume since i haven't read slam dunk myself yet). 


Edited by totherpage95, Yesterday, 03:16 AM.






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