So. Back to what I was saying.
Fans that ship Hinata together with Naruto, as I've said only wanted an instant gratification relationship between the two characters and nothing else. You can see it from how they argue for Hinata and Naruto's relationship, "Hinata always loved him first, Sakura is mean to Naruto, or Naruto and Sakura are just friends, etc. etc."
Now where this drives me bonkers and I'm sure it does for anyone else here as well is not only that they dismiss Naruto's moments with Sakura, but they can't come up with any arguments for a potential fullfilling and healthy relationship between Hinata and Naruto except for WISHING they were together when questioned. Hinata was always "in love with Naruto" but she never went out of her way to be with him or become closer to him. The most intimate she ever got with Naruto on her end was stalking him from a distance and having this longing look on her face with the typical blushing bright red, as expected of "anime shy characters". Besides giving Naruto the ointment cream after his fight with Kiba, and having exactly 2 pep talks from Naruto regarding her self esteem, you don't see the two interact in a meaningful manner OR AT ALL. I don't know how NH hierophants think, but if I was going for a ship in all seriousness, I'd like at least evidece of it on the writer's end of things. And even taking in fillers to account, Hinata doesn't even interact with Naruto if they are NOT on a mission together. She doesn't eat with him or talk to him privately with just the two of them alone. She doesn't even mention any personal problems to him, such as being seen as a failiure by her family despite the great expectations put on her, particularly by her father. Can anyone tell me different? And last time I checked, a "love interest" in ANY SORT OF fictional media does at least SOME of those things. Think of any rom com anime with a "shrinking violet" as a potential love interest. They are never assertive in their feelings for their crush but they GET THEIR MOMENTS. If they didn't, that is a death flag right then and there that they are not important enough to give focus on their feelings.
Compare the moments Naruto has with Sakura. Sakura is usually with Naruto particularly in Part II/Shippuden, for one reason or another when the two are relaxing in the village or just talking. she is seen eating ramen with Naruto, and offered to feed him when he could not hold his chopsticks properly. When something of personal importance to her pops up like Tsunade's coma or when when Tsunade finally woke up, she ran STRAIGHT to Naruto to talk about it or inform him of the news. when Naruto went to start his Sage training Sakura is among the few to see him off with no Hinata in sight. Sakura is always showing support for Naruto to be Hokage even back when she was crushing on Sasuke hard. Perfect example; the written test of the Chunin exam where Ibuki employed that reverse psychology tactic by saying anyone who fails will never get another promotion in their ninja career again And Sakura completely disregarded Sasuke's feelings on the matter and thought solely that she didn't want to ruin Naruto's dream. ANOTHER perfect example. Sakura was thinking that she couldn't let Naruto die because "his stupid dream was right in front of him". WHERE has Hinata shown interest in Naruto's dream of becoming Hokage? She WASN'T EVEN AT his inauguration.
Now you (Hinata cultists) can say that all of those moments with Sakura is only platonic concern, And I will say "Fine." But what does Hinata have?.......... EXACTLY. It doesn't matter if Hinata loved Naruto first, her actions should SHOW her love instead of assuming because Hinata always loved Naruto first, she's entitled to him. Side note, but whenever I see a relationship between an male and female that is meant to be platonic and is insisted to be platonic, I would see some moments of emotional intamacy with their love interest. Hinata gets zilch. How funny is it that Naruto's relationship with Sasuke "is considered more romantic" than his relationship with Hinata?
Ultimately whenever I see arguments or Hinata and her "boundless love" for Naruto I don't see factual evidence from the writing. All I hear is made up fantasies in the debaters' heads or anedoctical "BECASUE I SAY SO" BS. That tips me off more than anything that the relationship between Naruto and Hinata is nothing more than a wish fullfillment fantasy to their defenders rather than the latter wanting wanting to see a happy healthy relationship between two characters that are ACTULLY IN LOVE. Love without reason is love that does not last. Period.
I think, at least in my case, Karin knew what she was getting into and was 100% okay with it. She wouldn't let Sasuke ignore her. Sakura was quick to get depressed and sulk off. Sakura knew what she was getting into but hoped it would be better. Even now she hopes it'll get better and she's not satisfied with her 'marriage'. She just puts up with it because she's, as Kishimoto put it, addicted to Sasuke like a drug. But Karin made herself a part of his life and happened to be in a good position to do so.
I'm not going to say it's a healthy relationship by any means. I can't defend that. But I can say, with the same reasons as my last post, it would be way more happy than SS. Sasuke couldn't ditch her and his kid for 12 years if he were with Karin. They'd likely travel with him and even if he didn't want them to, Karin would probably have none of that.
Kind of like how we believe Sakura would not have put up with current Naruto's behavior of never being home and refusing to be a part of the family.
That's something I've noticed. In SS/NH, Sakura and Hinata just let their 'husbands' walk all over them brutally and without complaint. NS/SK, neither Sakura or Karin would have put up with that. I feel like Karin coming back to Sasuke despite what he did is an example of that.
Those are just my thoughts. I don't think SK is worse than SS. It's the other way around because Karin never started getting sad or depressed over Sasuke's rejection of her advances, like Sakura.
Two other things of note. Sasuke SOUGHT KARIN as part of his team when going on his hunt for Itachi. Even if it was merely interest in her tracking power, that is more than he ever showed for Sakura since they weren't paired by their own choice or decision. (even though Sakura wanted it) Also, Sasuke saved Karin in the forest of death in Karin's flashback and he gave her a pretty warm if not cocky and cool smile, WHICH AGAIN was more than he ever showed Sakura. Just being objective about this, though I DO AGREE that if you want to Say SasuSaku is toxic then SasuKarin does show that unheathy mess almost completely too. It has to be a two way street, guys and gals
Edited by Phantom_999, 19 November 2020 - 06:59 PM.
