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#988109 Sakura in the New Manga.

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 02 December 2022 - 07:32 PM

...Its not Saturday, so that's not from the official sites. So, you want us to support this manga, probably even financially, but you pirate it? Huh, we really are going back to the old fanbase now aren't we?


Also, I'm not reading that. I'll do that when I do the summary tomorrow.


Look, I get it. You found your religion... new pairing and are a born again SS fans and you want to convert us. We are not interested. It is nice that they can do an art style that was intentionally made to be easy to copy, but the story is average at best.

#988046 Sakura in the New Manga.

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 26 November 2022 - 07:31 AM

I'm enjoying this so far. At some point  you guys gotta get over the pairings to be honest. I have no feelings seeing SasuSaku and ya'll should do the same.  I'm here for Sakura content.

To be honest, since I have to do the summaries. I'm somewhat analyze/critical of it, but even ignoring that the story is average at best. It's too reliant on contrivances that could have been fix with a few rewrites. The other side manga is superior in my opinion and I think its first chapter should be erased.


The only one of the three manga I even dislike is Boruto and that because I've been doing summaries for 6 year with nothing happening because the writer clear does not put in any effort unless someone higher up is breathing down his neck, and he does not respect or care for his audience.


I don't have a problem with SS nor do I with nH in of its self. Though, I do dislike people in that fan base. Anyways.


Listen forgiveness does not mean embracing it.  What crime has SS done to me that needs forgiveness? What, it was one of the pairing the damaged a manga series that I bought merchandise of when I was younger. OK. Oh and it wasn't even the intended end pairing, that was nH, but a pairing of the spares with the former heroine being stripped of her position. Again, OK. Honestly, I find it more pathetic, if someone completely abandons a previous stance, just because this story was decent at best. Does anyone seriously want people to read this manga and go. "Oh I was completely wrong for Twenty years, this manga proves that Sasuke and Sakura are the most perfect couple to have ever been written, and I completely support it for the rest of my life!" This manga is not good enough for that.


Its better than Boruto, congratulations. It managed to pass that low bar.

Guys actually Sakura was used as damsel in distress to show NS or Naruto so many times both in Anime filler and manga.

The most famous example was when  Sasuke was exausted from his fight against Danzou and Kages, was blind and a 100% Sakura who fought against Sasori and 100 pupets have to be saved. If Sakura  didn't want to hurt Sasuke, she could easily simple dodge that Kunai instead of be saved by Naruto like a princess.

Sasuke broke a sound guy arm for hurting Sakura and was willing to sacrifice himself to save her in Part 1 when he was actually a sane person. So i really don't see a problem with him being "protective" with Sakura in a story focused on both, now they are married.

I have Nothing against Hinata, ikemoto or Boruto.
She is a Secondary Character and Boruto is simply a desperate attempt to continue Naruto.

Hinata's  toxic fanboys who are daily bullying Sakura and tried to downplay Sakura's status as main heroine make me hate her fandom.

Most of the fanboys hate Sakura, SasuSaku and NaruSaku because both are always  outshining Hinata and NH.
So aside to finally see Sakura in action again, it's nice to see a story showing that Sakura is the true main heroine. Putting Hinata's fanboys in their place.

Boruto was the intended sequel for Naruto. They were expecting it to be profitable. These side manga are the desperate attempt at seeing if there is a market for Naruto content.


The old fanbase didn't have a problem with Sakura, only a vocal minority. The old fanbase left with the ending and all are left with SS, nH, and fans too addicted to quit.


Now, those two bits out of the way. Lets compare Naruto rescuing Sakura to the stupid attempted prison rape scene so they can proclaim their marriage to some guy. Naruto saving Sakura tends to flow into the story whether its during the fight with Gaara or when Sasuke was about to kill her for getting in his way, again. The scene in this manga is absurd. 1) there are no guards protecting the medical ward, 2) what happened to the guard that was escorting him, 3) they hid Sasuke just to set up the scene, 4) they for some reason need to tell him they are married for some reason, 5) somehow telling him that they are married will protect her due to I guess the Guy Code or something. As for her in combat, we will see but I wouldn't get my hopes up too much.

Sakura is not allowed to be herself when she is with Sasuke. Also, Sasuke apparently acts out of character too. Glad I stopped reading this crap.

They gave him a scene where he gives a guy a pass just to show he is a good guy now that felt out of places.


+1. They tried to kill each other in the past, furthermore Sasuke tried without hesitation. Its the toxic relationship context on which their interactions is built upon that turns off rationale female readers. Clearly not their target demographic with this story. Although its clear they are targeting female SS old fans.

I'm waiting for the manga sales to come out. There's a past study that reveals 67% of manga readers are female. Therefore series like Spy x Family picked up very well the series reached 500 million views in Shonen Jump+ , with 10 volumes, it has 27 million copies in circulation (physical) while its digital version was ranked 5th on Rakuten's Top 20 Best Selling Digital Manga of 2022. Since its targeting female readers, I think we can use Spy x Family as a benchmark and mental model for this spinoffs sales performance. Well see.

People are free to enjoy whichever content they're interested in. True contribution to the franchise is demonstrated by purchasing their products, not just debating online.

I do hope it does better than Boruto, which shouldn't be that hard. Just so, it completely buries, 'the Hinata sell better that Sakura,' narrative in those companies, if it hasn't been already.


Women reading rationally may not like it, but women reading it as smut and just wanting to fantasize about dreamy bad boys will probably love it.

#988036 Sakura in the New Manga.

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 25 November 2022 - 09:16 PM

No thanks.

Sakura's character is destroyed by the end of the manga. Im not sure who is the target audience of a character that throw away her self-dignity, self-respect and self-worth for someone who doesn't even care for her and her daughter.

Well see how the manga sales fare when it comes out. That'll be the true yardstick.

Oh that's simple, people that don't care about her character and only care about using as a insert character; so, they fantasize about a relationship with a hot dreamy bad boy who is still semi-wild and dangerous.  


Aparently NaruHina and Hinata fans are bitter and angry as ever with this adaptation from Retsuden story.

First because they chosen SasuSaku story.

Second because it's doing supremely well, with better numbers than Boruto, what shows that SasuSaku, Sasuke or Sakura is much more financially successful than NaruHina and the own Boruto.

Sakura is doing something important like fighting in a mission and being a medic-nin not just a useless HouseWife like Hinata.

Also Hinata scenes was completely excluded from the special Naruto's 20 years video comemoration while they put Sakura moments and SasuSaku departure scene.

Because they haven't gotten anything like this since the last despite the fact that they are the end pairing and the couple that made the new main character.


Again, showing how this was the worst option for Naruto to end on because they actually hate each other.


Again, making them bitter and likely making the people in charge of Ikemoto putting a fire under his ass.


Not sure about the housewife part they just hate she is involved in the story at all, and that this story is about having SS moments.


They did? I skimmed through that video.

#988029 Sakura in the New Manga.

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 24 November 2022 - 05:25 AM

I just want to point out that there was an attempted prison rape scene (the sixth one you picked), just so the story could have a scene where they state they were married. That is the SS scene we have had so far...No thank you.

#988020 Sakura in the New Manga.

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 23 November 2022 - 04:05 AM

Just because she is in a side manga based off a light novel that's about appeasing SS fans doesn't means she is 'back.'


The side manga could sell a thousand-fold to Boruto and that doesn't means she will be involved in the story.

#988012 Boruto: The Never-Ending Prologue Chapter 75

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 22 November 2022 - 03:48 AM

About time we finished part one of this story. It was so booooring

Its something. This has been the first chapter since chapter one that even has hinted at Boruto/Bolt Vs Kawaki/Nail conflict other then vague prophecies about Bolt's eyes and them fighting due to karma. From the looks of it, Kawaki isn't really down with the whole giving up his karma seal to restore Madoc's daughter. As he wants the power to fight Punk. He will resist. Injure Bolt if not kill Naruto this of course upset everyone, he flees the village, and he also fights Cups.


Just took us...75 chapters...75 months...6 years and three months to get some level of progress to the story.

#987999 Naruto: Sasuke's Story-The Uchiha and the Heavenly Stardust: Chapter 3

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 20 November 2022 - 06:55 PM

How much a Flop Boruto  really is? A Spin Off surpassed the original Story





Is Sasuke, Sakura or SasuSaku really this popular  or simply Naruto's son (and Kawaki) is too uncharismatic to carry a story alone? This could give some feedback to Kishimoto/Ikemoto that almost nobody from old fans Naruto's fans care about Boruto and his alliens.

First. Thank you for showing that, last time this side manga beat out Boruto people on reddit and other places tried to play it off that the site lowered view after awhile so that's why it won. Clearly that is not the case.


Second. As for this story, they went with the Naruto name because clearly the Boruto name was considered toxic for sales, I think its a 4/10 because while the art is good (it has problems in places but it can copy Kishimoto style well enough) the story is bad. The background for why this story is happening is contrive as are a lot of the story beats, they randomly put a dinosaur in the ninja world for no reason damaging the feel of the world, the writer put their desire over obvious logic, and the story could be fixed with very easy rewrites which makes it feel like a first draft in a way. I however, also think Boruto is only a 1 or 2/10, so it is doing better than Boruto I just don't like the story, and Boruto's manga is pretty much a flop.


Third. After the ending the franchise was suppose to rely on nH as it new flagship to get fans to purchase products, but the Last (and other projects) quickly showed that nH fans don't financially support Naruto-Boruto; they just pirate it. So, they had to switch to appeasing the secondary pairing SS whose fans do purchase Naruto-Boruto products.


Fourth. No one really likes Bolt they defend him because he is Hinata's son, some maybe like Nail, but that overall story is garbage.

#987973 Announcement coming in Jump Fiesta 2022

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 14 November 2022 - 02:50 AM

December 20th around then.

#987958 Announcement coming in Jump Fiesta 2022

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 11 November 2022 - 02:54 PM

Well my thoughts on those.


NNS5: I find unlikely due to the failure of the last game. Now some of you are immediately thinking, "But Bail NNS4 sold well." I'm talking about Shinobi Strikers, that was the last Naruto game that wasn't a mobile game and it sold very poorly. They aren't doing any games until they have more confidence that they will sell. 2/10


New movie: The chikara arc was originally a movie before Kishimoto wanted to do a movie, I think that's even on the wiki. A movie would be a very quick check to see if Naruto could still be popular. "The two Naruto-Boruto movies we release internationally were before streaming took off maybe it was just bad luck and with the renaissance of international interest in anime, new Naruto-Boruto movies could sell," some Executives have likely thought. However, if they don't sell it will be quite clear with easy comparisons to the other movies they have released since streaming anime took off. So an expensive check 3/10.


Naruto-Kai: If its going to be anything beyond NFTs its gonna be this. A season of an anime can cost around the same as a video game or a movie from what I understand, but they can obscure the numbers a bit more from the public while they check the data themselves. Also, if it doesn't work they can just do Naruto up to the wave arc then stop if it doesn't sell, but if it does then they can continue very quickly without having to wait like they would for a movie or game which both have at least a year of development time. NS happening depends on how the executives believe Naruto's fall and Boruto's failure happened. If they believe that simply, Boruto isn't as popular as his father, they will stop it there, but if they believe its because people wanted him to get together with Sakura not Hinata they may go for it. 10/10 if its more than just NFTs.

#987932 Announcement coming in Jump Fiesta 2022

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 05 November 2022 - 09:21 AM


They could get around the whole "thou shalt not let Naruto and Sakura be themselves" Boruto Era commandment by going the dragon ball heroes route and creating a Naruto multiverse of sorts. That way, they wouldn't have to worry about pissing off the vocal minority!

Lol, better than what I would do as I would be all screw the vocal minority! And tell them all to take writing classes on how development works.

But right now we have no idea what they will do. Still this is SP and they could still screw all of this up.

I'm playing the optimist, that it will be Naruto focus probably no nH or Boruto maybe NS, because it is amusing, but if it doesn't happen, oh well.


SP is not a monolith that solely supports nH. There is a strong faction of animators and some writers that do obese over Hinata. But, there were others that thought this was a terrible idea; they were apparently largely women according to kishimoto. Also, you have the higher up execs that went along with it because their employees promised that it would be a huge profit earner. It hasn't, or at least not to the level they were promised.


I see this as coming full circle to why Boruto exist. Like before they (WSJ/SP) are looking at their products and realize that they don't have anything to replace a successful money maker in sales, yet. My Hero Academy is ending; it is at its final battles right now. Black Clover anime hasn't started up again. Jujutsu's mangaka already said he is at the final arc. The guy who made demon slayer hasn't started a new manga yet. Dragonball Super I think is on hiatus both because still Bulma's VA passing but also them deciding where to go from where they are after the success of Super Heroes. Many of their old IPs such as Bleach and Kenshin are getting new anime. They want something to bring in sales, at least till they find a new money maker.


Now, they are looking at Boruto. The anime stuck in endless filler and still hasn't managed to outsell Naruto's reruns yet. The manga refusing to move its plot along at all even after kishi was brought back and even declining in sales. Then, they look at Naruto who manga reprints still out sell Boruto, and the anime who still beats its sequel in earnings while its on reruns. They look at two spin off manga with Naruto's name on it crushing Boruto in views (which they probably did to see if this would happen,) therefore hopefully sales. This is also after giving Boruto at least 5 years to get it own legs, but it can't beat an IP that been over for almost a decade now. Now, you are an executive in a company with this information, what do you do?


So, I see this as testing the waters. If its successful go from there. If they get information that its would make more money with NS they will eventually do it...maybe. They're not cancelling Boruto partially due to no point in it, since they already done a lot of cost cutting measure to make sure it was profitable, or at least stayed out of the red.

#987928 Announcement coming in Jump Fiesta 2022

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 04 November 2022 - 02:28 AM


Alternate NaruSaku timeline!

Oh if only that was true, sadly wont happen with SP and the Hinata staff there. The fear I have if they do a reboot they would remove Sakura or have Hinata on Team 7.

With the anniversary video not having Hinata in it, I doubt it is a reboot with Hinata as team 7 third member.


It is more the companies are testing the water. They know Naruto still sells -due to international sales- and they know that Boruto only gets a fraction of Naruto's earnings (therefore its almost worthless and doesn't have the same pull as Naruto does with its audiences). The Boruto focused franchise hasn't been doing hot this last decade, but would going back to Naruto change that? So, they are likely to due something Naruto focus to see if it still sells, and go from there. Doubt it will be NS unless they are really confident but I also doubt there will be much nH in it as well.

#987923 The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 02 November 2022 - 03:19 PM

So, any opinions on the new Sasuke manga that's been released?



Did a summary. The story is poorly structured with a lot of contrivances that could be fixed with some rewrites and editing. 3-4/10. The art is better than Boruto, but apparently not as good as the other side manga.

#987908 Romantic Killer

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 29 October 2022 - 01:01 PM

Hey Tricksie, I finally found a shounen jump manga that's a romance trying to deal with Japan's Declining Birth Rate.


Romantic Killer




"Gamer girl Anzu's days of playing with her cat and eating chocolate are interrupted by a magical fairy named Riri who curses her to spend her days in a world of shojo manga tropes. Can Anzu fend off all the hot guys who keep showing up, or is she destined to fall in love?"


The fairy that looks like a poorly drawn bear in a wizard hat and cape brings up Japan declining population (which apparently is affecting magic as less kids means less magic in Japan) as for why this story is happening. The girl Anzu was selected because she was considered eternally single if the fairy didn't intervene as she would spend her time eating chocolate while playing game with her cat by her side, instead of falling in love. So, the fairy got rid of the games and chocolate as well as sent her parents overseas for a year so she can focus on finding a man. Also, they took the cat.  


She also meets a guy named Tsukasa who according to the fairy parameters of this story is also a hot guy that would remain eternally single without intervention. 


So, its a shounen manga spoofing shoujo manga tropes. I find it funny because I finally found a shounen jump manga about fixing the birth rate.


Oh and its already got an anime on netflix....



To me the manga is better because the anime goes a bit over the top.


From what I have seen of the anime.


Tsukasa is the default disinterested pretty boy that all women drool over, literally. However, this has made him develop a fear of women especially after a bad experience. He is fine with the main character because he was first put at ease by how weird she was, then the fact that she doesn't want to date him.


Second male lead is the nice childhood friend that always loses Junta. He used to be fat when he was young, but by high school grown into the ace of the baseball team. He always had feeling for her she just didn't notice him because she was too busy with her own passions. Everyone can tell he has feeling for her, but she plays the clueless heroine so she doesn't have to outright reject him, and he is too meek to ever ask her out.


Third male lead is Hijiri the arrogant rich boy. He is so use to people particularly women never saying no to him and desperate to date him that he figured Anzu was the same. He becomes interested in her because she rejects his gifts and tries to learn more about regular life which is why his father sent him to a public school instead of his old private school.


There is also the best friend who is more traditionally feminine and therefore beautiful Saki. However, this leads to guys wanting to dating her and even one that tricked into coming to his house so they could get it on; which she ran from but he blamed her. Anzu was the only one that stood up for her so they been best friends ever since. I think she develop feelings for the friendly if bland best friend of the male lead Makoto.


There is also Ryuya who was the leader of the gang of boys she used to hang out with when she was in elementary. He always had a crush on her, but he is not as hot as the three main guys so he doesn't stand a chance.

#987905 Boruto: The NeverEnding Prologue Chapter 74

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 25 October 2022 - 12:33 AM

Again, kinda sad how Sarada and Mitsuki are side lined when they are supposed to be the "the three amigos" with Boruto, and again Sarada is supposed to be a new Hokage candidate of her own volition. We could at least watch her studying politics or the like to to show that plot line is working out in the background. The cringe in in Hime being a hot perfect girlfriend for Kawaki almost makes me want to gag, plus once more it was just an uneventful bore.

The focus on Salad being Hokage and Bolt as her supporting shadow was Kishimoto's story idea that he gave to Ikemoto to get the manga story going. Ikemoto clearly rejected that plan from the second he got control of the manga, and decided it would be better to rehash SNS with Bolt and Nail. I suspect, because he is on some level bitter about kishi being his boss for years while he was the assistant and wants to prove he is better.


This entire chapter is suppose to show how much an ethereal beauty Hime is, but it fails because he doesn't put the effort in his art to invoke emotions from the reader. When an artist wants their audience to feel something during a certain scene they will put more effort or make it more intense to highlight the scene and hopefully get a reaction out of their audience. I understood he wanted people to understand she is incredibly beautiful and her powers enhance this to an ethereal level, but he draws her panels that are suppose to show this with the same bare minimum low effort he does the rest of the manga; so it falls flat.

#987900 Naruto: Sasuke's Story-The Uchiha and the Heavenly Stardust: Chapter 1

Posted by Bail o' Lies on 23 October 2022 - 10:50 PM

Did anyone else find the dinosaur inclusion to kinda stupid and feel out of place in naruto?

Yes, but it so stupid that you just kind of look at it go 'welp,' and just move on.


That is true, actually. Th story just feels like a a bunch of built up contrivances and none are explained at the moment. that's why it doesn't have a pull on me over all, since I'm just thrown in the scenario with not much explained at all.

With a few adjustments this story could be actually good/decent. The story starts out with Naruto in a hospital bed Sakura gives a diagnosis; he picked up a disease on a diplomatic mission at some point, he was able to ignore it for an unknown amount of time, but stress from both overworking as well as problems at home have exacerbated it till the point its become terminal. She can't cure him with current medical technology & techniques, you have someone point out that if Sakura can't heal him no one can. Sasuke comes in and presses her for any cure she hasn't tried yet, but there is none; the only thing she can think of is an old legend. Sasuke decides to check it out.


Then, you could have the whole meeting the antique shop owners daughter helping them out and pointing out where he needs to go next. Instead of him figuring it out on his own. They point out where he needs to go next has been turned into a prison because powerful people want to control & harness where this mystical cure comes from.


The level of coincidences would be at a tolerable level of convenient instead of becoming contrived to me if the story was that.