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[RedFaction]

I would agree that if we swapped Sakura out with Hinata, and left everything else the same, Boruto would still be in dire straits right now.

It might even be in a worse spot as you would be trading two big shipping fandoms for just one.

That's why I expect we will never ever get a reboot, alternate ending, etc. Not in a million years will that happen because it probably isn't even a thought in anyone's mind that the ending and Boruto was a mistake.

If Boruto ends up being cancelled that will be the end of it and we will get nothing of it, same as it is now.

[Namaenash]

Well 8/6 months  after the manga ending the post Material drawing/made by Kishimoto aren't performing bad.

Gaiden got 1.000.000 of sells the the same quantity for a regular Part 2 Naruto Volume
Boruto The Movie got 40.000.000 of Box Offices. The Biggest  Naruto Movie in the history.
Far better than The Last  or Road to Ninja.
The Novels was selling good too.

Thats why i don't belive SS/NH and the loss of NS fandom have some impact in the casual fans who never cared about pairings and only like the fights..

Boruto's flop is the entire fault of the trash/uninteresting story who are damaging the entire franchise since 2016.

Not really. This is a very easy argument to debunk. So, allow me to simplify things for you. Ockhams razor.

First, you need to compare lifetime sales of each of the volume or each of the product. Only the publisher have this information, so, we have to work with data that is available to us and make assumptions. The various charts that you present does not exhibit lifetime sales of the individual volume. It exhibits the sales recorded (typically by aggregators, such as Oricon) as long as the product is in their radar (typically their rank).

What is available publicly, though:
- Naruto manga sold ~250 million copies over 15 years and 72 volumes,
- Boruto manga sold about 4 million over 6 years and 12 volumes (stats 2 years back I think).

You can clearly see the Power Law here, in which the new direction of this franchise lost more than 90% of its financial prowess.

You can twist and turn, but you will end up with the same conclusion. Theres just a systematic lost of fanbase purchasing the manga. Just a plain arithmetic of lifetime sales gives you that conclusion already. Again, Ockhams razor the simplest explanation is most likely to be true. In this case, NS fanbase, the 20% that contributes to 80% of the revenue has gone.

Second, it is about the gradual decline. Now, this is coming from me, someone who spent more than a decade living in Japan. So, you can take it as it is. Just trying to explain you why the decline was gradual and systemic, not sudden.

You need to appreciate how their manga supply chain works. There are four major channels to sell manga in Japan:
1) direct sales,
2) wholesale that goes to bookstores, konbini, etc
3) dealers that goes to smaller shops,
4) online sales

Now, we are talking about 2014-2015, in which online sales are not that big yet and it is still growing (it was roughly 15% of overall manga sales, before it beats physical manga sales in 2019-2020). So, lets not add that to the mix yet.

Now, for Naruto, again this is coming from someone who lives there since late 90s for about a decade or so; the biggest channels are wholesale and dealers. Now, if my memory serves me correctly, only wholesale gets the consignment agreement with the publisher. That is, if the manga is unsold after a period of time, they can return it to the publisher up to certain amount. The publisher can then recycle it or convert its paper to something else (commonly toilet paper). Why only wholesale gets to do it? Because of logistics constraints, easier to collect the unsold from few points in a region, rather than thousands of points in the case of dealers. Few dealers gets consignment agreements, but thats more of an exception rather than the norm.

Majority of Naruto manga buyers are actually dealers that redistribute again to the next chain and some wholesalers who opt to partial purchase agreements to get more discounts. Not really John Doe the end reader.

So, when you put this into perspective, it explains clearly why it takes a while for the the franchise to find a new equilibrium. Simply because the demand generation comes from wholesalers and dealers that orders based on recent purchase trends. These wholesalers and dealers will book the order to their best knowledge based on previous period purchase to gain the optimal cost-benefit ratio.

This explains why the decline is systemic. They order the next volume, based on the purchasing trends of the past few volumes. Sometimes, they order based on special deals or discounts (for instance, last volume of a series typically have a larger discount to ensure longer shelf-life in bookstores, etc. that explains typically the sales of last volume tends to spike slightly, but its overall lifetime sales may be on par with the other volumes on average).

The wholesalers and dealers wont know the exact lifetime sales of a volume at the time the new volume comes out (typically in the next 2-3 months). So, they have to forecast based on various things as well, apart from the past purchase trends. This also can be used as a proxy to gauge the lifetime sales of a volume prior to the current one. If the current volumes order is low, you can make a guess that one or two volumes before it is also declining. Do you all remember back in 2014/2015, there was anecdotal post in this site and social media that the last volume of Naruto was pilling up at the stores? And then suddenly when Boruto Gaiden came out, the sales were not as stellar as volume 70, 71, 72 if Im not mistaken (a drop of more than 30% if Im not wrong).

For Naruto franchise, the decline was systemic. You can clearly see a step-by-step reduction (based on non-lifetime sales tracked by Oricon, etc) until it found its new equilibrium.

Coming back, I can totally understand why it is difficult for SS / NH fanbase to accept the fact that they are a very small segment financially. They live in a delusion that they are so big and so popular. It is their insecurities and it is only normal they would blame something else when the actual data/facts dont go according to the narrative they want people to believe (e.g. blaming Boruto when SS Retsuden sales is low, etc).

It is a case study of wrong business decisions based on false assumptions and false pretext: that NH and SS is huge, therefore new direction of the franchise with these pairings as the premise and their children as the features is the bet they are taking.

Edited by Namaenash, 15 February 2023 - 02:02 PM.

[Therece]

Boruto floped:

1 - Wasn t written by Kishimoto
2 - Ikemoto art was far worse than Kishimoto art.
3 - People aren't interested in follow Boruto's story and see Sasuke/naruto/Sakura/Kakashi and others as a side characters.
4 - Boruto abandoned everything who made Naruto famous.
5 - Boruto the Movie was great because Sasuke/Naruto fights and stories. People never was interested in Boruto. Maybe the giant Box Office of the Movie passed the wrong impression to producers about a Boruto series.

Boruto never give any fanservise/scenes or development for SS/NH. Just few Anime fillers give that.

NH only have the Last in the past 8 years and SS had Gaiden and now Retsuden.

Boruto isn't directed for NH/SS fans. It's just another shonen manga who wanted to grab Naruto money.


Anyway if you really wants just change Boruto's mother to Sakura but the story remains same with alliens, Karma and technology with Ikemoto.
Do you really believe this slightly change would make any diffence in Boruto sales?
The only difference is the SS/NH fans would blame NS for Boruto's flop...
 

Edited by Therece, 15 February 2023 - 02:28 PM.

[Namaenash]

That is indeed the mentality of SS/NH mindset: always made up a situation and narrative that does not exist. Lol.

There is no point debating on what-if. Its just a simple plain fact that SS/NH are the wrong bet. They thought they are big, but the fact says otherwise. The ending and the continuation is made for NH/SS, and these fanbase need to own it up, rather than throwing the blame to something else.

There is absolutely no point having a what-if discussion about Sakura being Borutos mother. Lol. That is not what happened and you just cant make smart arguments based on what-ifs and wishful thinking.

Facts are facts, and NS folks go by facts (what is written in the manga, what is recorded in sales figures, etc). Now, discussing based on facts and data is most welcome, but discussing based on what-if or non-factual events, hm, I dont know. Not my cup of tea :)

[Bail o' Lies]

Ah so that Japanese manga are actually similar to American comics. So that 100,000 are largely just Japanese store owners/managers going, 'whelp I need to stock 5-10 of the latest volume for the handful of people that still buy it and few more just incase or because buying in bulk is cheaper.' Compared to the old days of needing to constantly restocking the latest Naruto volume every week to keep up with demand a decade earlier.

 

About the alternate universe option. That could have worked, if they had done that far earlier; at the ending earlier. It won't work know because of consumer apathy.  You need customers to be interested in keeping track of two or more separate continuities or in comic a brief what if elseworlds comic. If you do it with people not interested in doing so, which is most casual audiences, it just going to scare them off. Naruto-Boruto has a general audience that is already disinterested in its products making it more complicated is just going to disincline them from buying anything, even further. 

 

This alternate universe option has increasingly come up in fandoms recently, because companies are destroying their IPs through awful products. So people hope that alternate universe could be a form of appeasement to protect those IPs. But, appeasement can easily be seen as surrender. It is the last hope for fans who don't want to admit their favorite IP is on its deathbed.

 

The only way for the going back to NS plan to be successful is to go all in. As it the only thing dramatic enough to shake off the customers apathy. Of course the plan who need to be carried out by someone who is bold, ambitious, and cunning enough to enacted it as see it through so it becomes a success.  The more polls I see the more I'm convince they don't have anyone like that who is in charge of Naruto-Boruto.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 15 February 2023 - 05:32 PM.

[Therece]

This week episode suffered a lot of hate and become a international meme:

 

 

The damage was huge in Pierrot:

I don't think this single Naruto Monster Image is enough for Boruto Cancellation.  But it's the beggining of the end for the anime and manga.

 

 

Edited by Therece, 15 February 2023 - 11:48 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

The thing is people are losing interest for the Hinata fans who only ever wanted Hinata with Naruto they dont care they got what they wanted.
And since shes not showing up none of them care neither is her daughter who if I remember didnt a nH fan make an art of Hinatas daughter with big boobs?

Plus no one likes Boruto maybe a few do, but their taste isnt the best if they like trash like this.

We have to remember also that we have learned Ashs story from Pokemon is ending and some are already jumping to conclusions that Ash will get married and the girl we see is his daughter.

I dont think she is since they could possibly want to keep Ash around if this new show with new main characters dosent work out.

Plus theres also better works in Japan too.

[Dalton.T.R]

Isn't Ash still like 10 years old? That'd be one hell of a jump. 

[Therece]

That is indeed the mentality of SS/NH mindset: always made up a situation and narrative that does not exist. Lol.

There is no point debating on what-if. Its just a simple plain fact that SS/NH are the wrong bet. They thought they are big, but the fact says otherwise. The ending and the continuation is made for NH/SS, and these fanbase need to own it up, rather than throwing the blame to something else.

There is absolutely no point having a what-if discussion about Sakura being Borutos mother. Lol. That is not what happened and you just cant make smart arguments based on what-ifs and wishful thinking.

 

Pairings Fandoms (SS + NH + NS and others Pairings) isn't even 10% of a public Shonen manga. The vast majority are casual fans who like cool fights and characters.  Again Naruto is a Shonen with few romantic chapters and Fanservices. Pairings aren't important to these fans. (You can call Retsuden sales weak, But still will get 50% or more of the current Boruto Sales).

Boruto isn't a story focused in SS/nH. (Why SS fandom should care about Boruto? He isn't Sasuke and Sakura's son)

It's a story about Naruto's son, Kawaki and Alliens with old casting serving as a support Characters (And not rarelly being humilliated or disappearing for years)

The problem is you wants to blame the entire Boruto Flop just to SS/nH Fandoms and ignore the entire trash that is Boruto's story which failed to sustain the original Naruto public in these eight years.


If you are blaming SS/nH fandom for Boruto's fiasco. Please explain why with NS fandom could be different?

I don't undertand how  NS "fandom" could have saved Boruto from the  Flop. Unless if you really think NS fandom was responsible for 90% of Naruto sales...

Many NS fans would  abaddon  Boruto too. Just like many SS/NH/Sasuke/Naruto/casual fans left in these 8 years,  The story will remain the same with NS being canon ignoring Sarada Gaiden. The only difference is Sakura slapping Kawaki in Hinata's place.
You have to Reboot the ENTIRE Boruto, change the author and even put the anime in a another studio to save the series. Not just change a pairing.

 

Edited by Therece, 16 February 2023 - 06:42 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

You know I didnt wanna announce anything just yet, but this discussion has rejuvenated a Naruto rewrite fic thats been in the back of my mind for the last month.

Its a multi- first person perspective story centered on Team 7 specifically.

Not exactly going to reveal all the details, but its one heavily pushes NaruSaku and is written properly with none of the certain decisions that were made in the story.

This actually the first time in a really long time Ive been super excited to write a NaruSaku fic since 2017 <- If were not counting my Tales of Sachiko Uzumaki fic lol 😅



What I can say is that its gonna start off with Sakura first before we get to Naruto or Sasuke for that matter.


Now heres a fun little question I wanna ask will this rewrite of Naruto fic Im planning begin from Part 1, or will it begin from Part 2?

[Namaenash]

 

Pairings Fandoms (SS + NH + NS and others Pairings) isn't even 10% of a public Shonen manga. The vast majority are casual fans who like cool fights and characters.  Again Naruto is a Shonen with few romantic chapters and Fanservices. Pairings aren't important to these fans. (You can call Retsuden sales weak, But still will get 50% or more of the current Boruto Sales).

Boruto isn't a story focused in SS/nH. (Why SS fandom should care about Boruto? He isn't Sasuke and Sakura's son)

It's a story about Naruto's son, Kawaki and Alliens with old casting serving as a support Characters (And not rarelly being humilliated or disappearing for years)

The problem is you wants to blame the entire Boruto Flop just to SS/nH Fandoms and ignore the entire trash that is Boruto's story which failed to sustain the original Naruto public in these eight years.


If you are blaming SS/nH fandom for Boruto's fiasco. Please explain why with NS fandom could be different?

I don't undertand how  NS "fandom" could have saved Boruto from the  Flop. Unless if you really think NS fandom was responsible for 90% of Naruto sales...

Many NS fans would  abaddon  Boruto too. Just like many SS/NH/Sasuke/Naruto/casual fans left in these 8 years,  The story will remain the same with NS being canon ignoring Sarada Gaiden. The only difference is Sakura slapping Kawaki in Hinata's place.
You have to Reboot the ENTIRE Boruto, change the author and even put the anime in a another studio to save the series. Not just change a pairing.

 

 

Well, again, I'm not going to debate over something that's never happened.

 

NS in Boruto never happened. Sakura becomes Boruto's mother never happened. You won't be able to make smart arguments that are fact driven.

 

If the best counter argument that you have is based on what-if and non-existent situation, then we can stop debating/discussing, since it's unproductive. You can have your opinion, and I can have my facts. Let readers choose which ones to believe.

 

What I've stated so far are merely facts:

 

1. The ending was made for NH and SS. Turns out they are the wrong bet, and the franchise were doomed financially.

 

2. No one except the publisher have lifetime sales figure. The sales published by aggregators (e.g. Oricon) are factual so long as they are within their top X ranking. Aggregators do not publish lifetime sales.

 

3. ~15 years of Naruto manga yields a lifetime sales figure of ~250 million copies (You have NS, NH, SS during this period).

 

4. ~6 years of Boruto: Naruto Next Generation manga yields a lifetime sales figure of ~4 million copies (You have NH, SS during this period).

 

5. There was a systemic decline and loss of revenue that demonstrates clearly the Power Law (Pareto Principle) of the fanbase (NS clearly being the significant few).

 

 

...and the best part that I find it amusing from your argument:

 

 

 

Pairings Fandoms (SS + NH + NS and others Pairings) isn't even 10% of a public Shonen manga. 

 

You, Sir/Madam, just agreed with the Pareto Principle argument that I spoke about that there are significant few who finance the franchise. I don't know where you get that 10% from, but regardless, you just reinforce my argument. It is an adage of business management that "80% of sales come from 20% of clients" --Feel free to educate yourself. You're welcome. It can be 20%, it can be 10%, whatever the exact number might be we wouldn't know without the actual granular data points; but the mental model and the posture is the same: significant few.

 

Now, we finally know how small SS and NH are and it won't be surprising that the franchise doomed financially the moment they removed NS.

 

The rumour about hiatus of Boruto anime also comes without surprise. Most of the time, anime is more like advertising channel. The real revenue generators are Merchandise, Advertising, Licensing, etc. For instance, Hello Kitty makes about $80 billion from merchandise sales, while Star Wars makes about $42 billion. 

 

Think of it this way: TV Tokyo has always put Boruto as the top selling product, but they never share the breakdown of their profit margin for Boruto. And then suddenly there's a rumour that it is going to hiatus. Common sense when you put these together: they're not making much profit all this while. Perhaps just barely enough to survive. It's possible that the executives decides that whatever capital they put to Boruto for the past 8 years better be allocated elsewhere that is more profitable. 

[Bail o' Lies]

Well, Therece I believe I asked you before if you were keeping up with the Naruto news or did you just regain interest due to the SS manga. You said you were always keeping up. Well, at least thank you for bringing this latest news.

 

Naruto has always looked bad when the anime animate him as hokage, or honestly anytime he isn't wearing his headband.

 

The hiatus is new as far as I recall, the anime hasn't done that before. The fact they are waiting for Code/Punk arc to be done in the anime is trouble for it. Punk in the last chapter was just spending time bonding with his nudist, and even stated he was disinclined to attack the village due to Hime being there. Given Boruto's regular pace, it is unlikely he would attack the village until November at the earliest, and with last chapter clearly being rushed; likely the intended date was November of next year. The fact that they are clearly demanding Ikemoto to get it done in 3 chapters MAX is showing that someone is done with the manga's pacing.

 

Therece, the companies will not care about technicalities like, its Boruto failing not nH/SS. As Boruto was built off them. At best, if Boruto is done so are they, worse so its the entire Naruto-Boruto franchise. If that poll winner's manga doesn't sell or they don't decided to go back to NS.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 19 February 2023 - 09:59 AM.

[Nostradamus]

This week episode suffered a lot of hate and become a international meme:

 

 

The damage was huge in Pierrot:

I don't think this single Naruto Monster Image is enough for Boruto Cancellation.  But it's the beggining of the end for the anime and manga.

 

 

 

I can't stop laughing. What have they've done? I thought some of the animations were bad, but this, this is on a different level all together.

At this point they should just admit defeat and leave it on a shelf for a while so people forgot about this and after a while reboot it.

It can not be saved otherwise.

[Serenity Namikaze]

 

I can't stop laughing. What have they've done? I thought some of the animations were bad, but this, this is on a different level all together.

At this point they should just admit defeat and leave it on a shelf for a while so people forgot about this and after a while reboot it.

It can not be saved otherwise.

 

I remember some of the past animations from SP being bad but it was usually from actions/fight scenes, not static poses like that.....seriously, that's a new low and coming from SP, that's saying a lot lol

 

It's like the Hinata situation all over again, give one character, for example, this Ada chick  all the animation budget (saw some pictures of animation for this character and her eyes/eyeshadow had soo much detail, it was crazy) but for the rest of the poor losers that doesn't deserve SP attention ( SP : Naruto!?, who's Naruto? some poor secondary character.....not really important), cut as much as possible   

 

I don't know this Ada chick since again, I don't watch/read Boruto but that made me think about Hinata's confession episode all over again....

 

 

Not only the animation is bad but the official illustrations of Ikemoto isn't all that great either. Kishimoto had 1 week to produce 1 chapter while Ikemoto has 1 month and not just that, he has experience after working with Kishimoto all those years, one would assume that he would have had learn and evolve his art but what I can see is that the progress isn't that impressive, at least nothing compared to Kishimoto's art at the beginning vs let's say, before shippuden.

 

Plus the story being all over the place, it's no wonder that Boruto is on Hiatus (or rumour of being cancelled or whatever).

 

I agree that cancelling this, leave it to rest and then make a proper reboot would be the only option but again, with the very same people that kittened up the end of Naruto and now even worst Boruto, not sure how a reboot would save this mess.

Edited by Serenity Namikaze, 16 February 2023 - 09:04 PM.

[Nostradamus]

I agree that cancelling this, leave it to rest and then make a proper reboot would be the only option but again, with the very same people that kittened up the end of Naruto and now even worst Boruto, not sure how a reboot would save this mess.

If it's the same people then yeah it's going to be bad. These people clearly are stuck in insanity which is to do the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.

They probably don't even realize what they did wrong and why people don't like what they put out. These people have their own internal polls, data, and go by their own bias.

 

I've always said that a remake of what is more workable is the ending will be a thing eventually. Simply because of the "Naruto" name. Whether we like it or not the name itself has power behind it. It's like Star Wars, or Batman, or Superman, Harry Potter, etc. no matter how dead those are now ( some more than others) they still have weight behind the name.

Look at Disney with Star Wars they ruined it. They made someone like me a fanboy hate Star Wars, but if they put out something good (which right now will not happen or in the near future) will bring me back and will bring back a lot of people. Does that mean I forgive them or forgot the past? No. And the same thing Naruto. What is done is done and nothing can change that. Nothing can change the fact that they betrayed the majority of the fanbase by appealing to a very small but very loud part of the fanbase which doesn't even support them financially and only cared about getting their way.

 

I doubt Kishi or SP will ever admit they did something wrong, they will just continue will nothing happened. At best we might get a comment like "what we did back then was good for the times, but now we're excited about the new material" when they will announce a remake.

I'm convinced one day they will redo it, when? I don't know. Maybe Kishi won't even be around for it. Or even us.

[Derock]

I doubt Kishi or SP will ever admit they did something wrong, they will just continue will nothing happened. At best we might get a comment like "what we did back then was good for the times, but now we're excited about the new material" when they will announce a remake.

I'm convinced one day they will redo it, when? I don't know. Maybe Kishi won't even be around for it. Or even us.

 

Oh, Masashi will definitely come running whenever money involve. So if anyone convince him to redo the series that will potentially make more money, he will jump ship. The only suggestion he needed is to get better editors and assistants that don't put in their two cents.

 

With Studio Pierrot however, that might be a different story unless they pull many workers that was working on the franchise either fired or moved them to a different project. I see this happened all the time.

[Bail o' Lies]

I don't know this Ada chick since again, I don't watch/read Boruto but that made me think about Hinata's confession episode all over again....

Ada is who I call Hime. She has two powers. Clairvoyance, she can see anything happening or in the past up to her birth. Attraction, outside of the Otsutsuki, everyone is in love with her by default once they get a good look at her.

 

She hates the second power because she can't fall in love with anyone naturally. So she wants one of the two people that are immune to her power, Nail/Kawaki or Bolt/Boruto. She chose Nail because he is older.

 

She is what I imagine Ikemoto's ideal perfect woman is. A pretentious snarky Hinata.

 

I doubt Kishi or SP will ever admit they did something wrong, they will just continue will nothing happened. At best we might get a comment like "what we did back then was good for the times, but now we're excited about the new material" when they will announce a remake.

I'm convinced one day they will redo it, when? I don't know. Maybe Kishi won't even be around for it. Or even us.

SP? Never. Kishimoto? If they want any reboot to succeed he has to.

 

They are clearly sick of Boruto current state and going for something. So it will be "soon." Whatever it is, at least you can be assured, it will be faster than Boruto.

 

Oh, Masashi will definitely come running whenever money involve. So if anyone convince him to redo the series that will potentially make more money, he will jump ship. The only suggestion he needed is to get better editors and assistants that don't put in their two cents.

 

With Studio Pierrot however, that might be a different story unless they pull many workers that was working on the franchise either fired or moved them to a different project. I see this happened all the time.

He does need people to give him advice, but it needs to be in benefit toward the story he is working on, not their own personal agendas.

 

SP probably already know who the Hinata supporters are on the staff, not like they had a reason to keep it secret these past few years. It mainly just animators and a few of the writers. A good director could manage them or remove those they have to.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 06 March 2023 - 01:54 AM.

[Nostradamus]

 

Oh, Masashi will definitely come running whenever money involve. So if anyone convince him to redo the series that will potentially make more money, he will jump ship. The only suggestion he needed is to get better editors and assistants that don't put in their two cents.

 

With Studio Pierrot however, that might be a different story unless they pull many workers that was working on the franchise either fired or moved them to a different project. I see this happened all the time.

Oh yeah he'll come back if they give him enough money. However that's not what I meant. I was saying who knows when they'll redo it, and by then maybe he won't be alive anymore. Time passes after all.

Like I said I have no doubt that they will reboot it, redo it, restart it whatever term fits best one day. However I don't know when.

 

The smart move the way I see it is to end Boruto in whatever way doesn't really matter, leave it for some years in order for people to not have as strong feelings towards it as they do now, to forgot a little bit about it. Then announce a movie. I say a movie because they need something big and also small enough to get people hyped for it. Coming out with a manga or anime continuation won't have the same effect. Plus I've always believed that the best way is to redo the Naruto vs Sasuke fight. Why that point? Well because no one will ever reboot the whole series or start somewhere at the halfway point. That's just too much to erase. But mainly because having a fight especially a good animated one on the big screen with those two will be the big thing that they need.

 

[Derock]

The smart move the way I see it is to end Boruto in whatever way doesn't really matter, leave it for some years in order for people to not have as strong feelings towards it as they do now, to forgot a little bit about it. Then announce a movie. I say a movie because they need something big and also small enough to get people hyped for it. Coming out with a manga or anime continuation won't have the same effect. Plus I've always believed that the best way is to redo the Naruto vs Sasuke fight. Why that point? Well because no one will ever reboot the whole series or start somewhere at the halfway point. That's just too much to erase. But mainly because having a fight especially a good animated one on the big screen with those two will be the big thing that they need.

 

 

I rather redo the whole Ninja War arc starting from the end of the Pain Arc. The whole situation, (exclude Naruto meeting Kushina) was a hot mess that even affected the hyped Naruto Vs. Sasuke Part 2 fight. Do a number of changes and do it ala Mortal Kombat 9's plot (without majority of the good guys died at the end).

[Therece]

If they ever make a Reboot Part 1/Part 2 will be left untouched.

This is material only for a Anime Remake.

Most likely they only will work in Blank Period Era/Adult Era in a possible effort to erase Boruto.

Of course they have to dismiss Pierrot. Pierrot is responsible for all the kitten the series gets since the beggining with their bias and amateur animation...

Only their favs (Hinata) gets top tier animation.

 

Edited by Therece, 17 February 2023 - 12:01 AM.