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[totherpage95]

 

 

 

 

 

 

can't believe this exists

Edited by totherpage95, 17 November 2020 - 01:44 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Of course I say that then this happens the next day.

 

Kishimoto Officially Takes Over Boruto Manga

 

Kishi is taking over the Boruto manga?............... STILL not buying it. Even if the manga improves from here on out I see no reason to support this franchise anymore, its messages and meaning have been lost to me and it has so much more to do than just pairings. The integrity of the story is just gone. I find myself no longer charmed by it so what I feel in all honesty, is indifference.

Edited by Phantom_999, 17 November 2020 - 12:00 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Hmm, true, I'm not putting hope in it either, I mean Kishi would need to come out and say the ending was a mistake I mean we can all dream and hope, but if this is true how can they do it that will make it feel right?

Even if he does that it will not change what has been done. The damage has been done. There's no way to come back from it because it should've never existed in the first place.

Again this news isn't me hoping for a new ending aka the true ending. Because like I said even if they do that, it won't change what is done.

The Last, Gaiden, Boruto, the novels, the dumb interviews will always be there. Those will always be there haunting us. And that will never change. War, war never changes. XD

However like I said, something changed that made him return. And that something is what I'm focusing on, not interested that much, but curious to know what that is for him. For SP and Shuiesha it's obvious.

 

I'd say desperation, not on Kishimoto end, but rather from the publisher and/or anime studio. People need to know that Kishimoto has always been involved in Boruto (supervising, whatever that entails). So, this is nothing new, and probably just a marketing stunt.

Why I think it shows desperation? The franchise generated a gross revenue of 8.1 billion for manga magazine and manga volume alone in the span of 15 years (https://en.m.wikiped...edia_franchises) starting from 2000. It's sold 250 million copies in that timeframe.

Contrast that to less than 1 million copies Boruto sold in 2019. It's not even 1/10 of what Naruto pre-2016 generated.

Of course they're desperate to fix it. More than 80% of Naruto franchise's gross revenue comes from manga magazine and manga volumes.

The whole point of Boruto is to gain more profits. All these U-turn in the storyline, killing NS to make NH/SS canon, put Hinata as the heroine and push Sakura as non-important character. All of these have only one objective: money.

And not only they didn't get the money they thought they would've got, those steps actually killed the very engine that finances this franchise its loyal readers. Those that supported the manga since its early days.

The signs are very clear. They didn't put Hinata in the front seat anymore, immediately after The Last. You hardly get any meaningful NH/SS moments in the manga or anime after The Last. They advertised Hinata as the true heroine when The Last came out, and at the start of Boruto manga. Have anyone heard anything about it again?

When it aired in Netflix, or other streaming media, you'd see Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura on the poster, or Team 7. You wouldn't see Hinata, even after The Last. I keep telling this, and I'll repeat again: Hinata doesn't sell. She didnt bring money to the table. They tried selling merchandise with her in it, it just didnt fly.

As for the official take over, whatever they call it (honestly, it's more like someone was getting fired, lol), majority of the fans probably don't care anymore. It's a lost on Kishimoto end, if he wished the old fans to return and buy his manga. We have moved on.

I think it's important to note that money may not be Kishimoto's motivation in coming back. He's worth more than $20 million (a rarity for mangaka to attain such value, although I think it's an unfair distribution considering the overall gross revenue).

Regardless, he has placed himself in a difficult position. If the Boruto manga sales stays flat or decline even more, he'll proof even further that his name as a brand doesn't carry weight. If the Boruto manga sales gain steam, he'd be expected to bring it at Naruto level of success or even more. This can only be done by major overhaul to Boruto storyline. Anything below Naruto sales will further proof the whole storyline u-turn brings nothing but destruction to the franchise.

He's competing against himself a decade ago. The difference this time is he no longer have that loyal readers supporting him, he no longer have editor like Yahagi who steers the storyline direction (let's face it, Kishi is not a storyteller genius like Yoko Taro) and he's not that young anymore.

I wouldn't hold my breath on the news. Deep down we know where this is going...

100% it's desperation from the Shuiesha and SP. I mean it's way too obvious, they have a product which performed really well before the creator left and now they are doing terribly. So bringing back the creator is because they are desperate.

Oh and it's not going to miraculously save this mess, nothing can do that. Maybe a little spike of curiosity from old fans, but Samurai 8 proved that his name alone doesn't mean much anymore plus he's not good.

Edited by Nostradamus, 17 November 2020 - 08:35 AM.

[ree]

I'd say desperation, not on Kishimoto end, but rather from the publisher and/or anime studio. People need to know that Kishimoto has always been involved in Boruto (supervising, whatever that entails). So, this is nothing new, and probably just a marketing stunt.

Why I think it shows desperation? The franchise generated a gross revenue of 8.1 billion for manga magazine and manga volume alone in the span of 15 years (https://en.m.wikiped...edia_franchises) starting from 2000. It's sold 250 million copies in that timeframe.

Contrast that to less than 1 million copies Boruto sold in 2019. It's not even 1/10 of what Naruto pre-2016 generated.

Of course they're desperate to fix it. More than 80% of Naruto franchise's gross revenue comes from manga magazine and manga volumes.

The whole point of Boruto is to gain more profits. All these U-turn in the storyline, killing NS to make NH/SS canon, put Hinata as the heroine and push Sakura as non-important character. All of these have only one objective: money.

And not only they didn't get the money they thought they would've got, those steps actually killed the very engine that finances this franchise its loyal readers. Those that supported the manga since its early days.

The signs are very clear. They didn't put Hinata in the front seat anymore, immediately after The Last. You hardly get any meaningful NH/SS moments in the manga or anime after The Last. They advertised Hinata as the true heroine when The Last came out, and at the start of Boruto manga. Have anyone heard anything about it again?

When it aired in Netflix, or other streaming media, you'd see Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura on the poster, or Team 7. You wouldn't see Hinata, even after The Last. I keep telling this, and I'll repeat again: Hinata doesn't sell. She didnt bring money to the table. They tried selling merchandise with her in it, it just didnt fly.

As for the official take over, whatever they call it (honestly, it's more like someone was getting fired, lol), majority of the fans probably don't care anymore. It's a lost on Kishimoto end, if he wished the old fans to return and buy his manga. We have moved on.

I think it's important to note that money may not be Kishimoto's motivation in coming back. He's worth more than $20 million (a rarity for mangaka to attain such value, although I think it's an unfair distribution considering the overall gross revenue).

Regardless, he has placed himself in a difficult position. If the Boruto manga sales stays flat or decline even more, he'll proof even further that his name as a brand doesn't carry weight. If the Boruto manga sales gain steam, he'd be expected to bring it at Naruto level of success or even more. This can only be done by major overhaul to Boruto storyline. Anything below Naruto sales will further proof the whole storyline u-turn brings nothing but destruction to the franchise.

He's competing against himself a decade ago. The difference this time is he no longer have that loyal readers supporting him, he no longer have editor like Yahagi who steers the storyline direction (let's face it, Kishi is not a storyteller genius like Yoko Taro) and he's not that young anymore.

I wouldn't hold my breath on the news. Deep down we know where this is going...

I think SP wanted Boruto maintain the Naruto's status in West, but they didn't take care of who were the ones that gave them the money and I'm sure wasn't the kid whom were starting to w1nk with Hinata, but were the ones whom grown up with Naruto and we were not as active in social media as they were (pareto 80/20).

So SP took bad data, based in 2 points, the 1 I mentioned before, and the second paring war was in his peak and NH was the favorite (kinda like luffy x nami is the preferred paring in One Piece, but no one gives a damn if they get together). Plus the new generation was coming hard, MHA, SNK, Dr Stone, haykiu, and Kimetsu. So SP pissed off, the main strength naruto have, his fans based. So against a really hard contenders and an poor story they just hang onto fans services, but it can't be forever. Now they put Kishimoto in the front to try to save it, I wish he would make it, but I really doubt it. 3 charapters and Boruto will be as bad as he is right now.

Edited by ree, 17 November 2020 - 08:58 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

I think SP wanted Boruto maintain the Naruto's status in West, but they didn't take care of learning who were the ones that gave them the money. I'm sure wasn't the kid whom were starting to w1nk with Hinata, but were the ones whom grown up with Naruto and we were not as active in social media as they were (pareto 80/20).

So SP took bad data, based in 2 points, the 1st, I mentioned before, and the 2nd, paring war was in its peak and NH was the favorite (kinda like luffy x nami is the preferred paring in One Piece, but no one gives a damn if they get together).

 

Plus the new generation was coming hard, MHA, SNK, Dr Stone, haykiu, and Kimetsu.

 

So SP pissed off, the main strength naruto have, his fans based. So against a really hard contenders and an poor story they just hang onto fans services, but it can't be forever. Now they put Kishimoto in the front to try to save it, I wish he would make it, but I really doubt it. 3 chapters and Boruto will be as bad as he is right now.

That was always the goal of Boruto. Naruto was WSJ/Shueisha big international seller. (SP wanted nH to be canon.) They wanted a sequel that would continue the money making. Bad data, poor understanding of the western fanbase and SP made them go with a pairing that wasn't as popular as they had hope.

 

Luffy and Nami are not like nH. LN is the default pairing like in any shounen main male character with main female character. nH was "perceived" as most popular pairing when it wasn't. Technically, it was actually KakashiXIruka, but beside that the default pairing that everyone just assumed would get together was NS.

 

The new generation manga hadn't hit their stride when Boruto was thought up, but by that time the anime and manga started they did.

 

More member berries than fanservice.

 

...Boruto is far worse then what Kishimoto is, I see some improvement happening but not enough to save it since too much of the story is already set.

[LuckyChi7]

Well BlueStars clamoring of Kishi returning to Boruto has come true.

The power of the cursed child ladies and gentlemen 🤣🤣🤣

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Kishi is desperate after his failed Mario series.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Kishi knows what he needs to do to make it right... in my eyes anyways.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Kishi is desperate after his failed Mario series.

I remember that oneshot, it wasn't half bad.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 18 November 2020 - 05:59 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

I'll be the first to say that I actually thought Samurai 8 was pretty decent, wouldn't call it the greatest thing in the world. However,  compared to Naruto Kishi already knew what the story would be and that it was gonna last 10 volumes in total.  Which I do kinda feel bad that he wasn't able to tell his complete vision to the story since it was his passion project.  Given from what I knew about Samurai 8 from start to finish it did show that as a writer, Kishi improved compared to Naruto. 

 

Now, of course there were some issues such as the exposition dump in the first few chapters which could've been better refined, and it was one of those slow burn series. Though, Kishi did say it would be hard pitching a Sci-fi genre in weekly shounen jump so it's not like he didn't see it coming.  Anyway, in terms of female characters despite how rushed it was there is definitely a stark contrast between how he wrote Sakura vs how  he wrote Ann from start to finish (despite the series cancellation). Same could be said about how Kishi wrote Naruto's character vs how he handled Hachimaru's character journey. 

 

So that's something to take in account. 

 

Not saying that Boruto is gonna instantly be better because Kishi is coming back, but just pointing out his writing style isn't necessarily the same as around the time as when we got to the second half of Part 2.

[Moon_Girl]

Kishimoney taking over the Burrito manga? Whew, I wonder where that'll go? Considering all his contributions to Burrito are negative hits to NH/SS...
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Naruto's final dying thoughts had to do with his regrets; including Sakura.
Not getting my hopes up, but it would be nice.

Edited by Moon_Girl, 18 November 2020 - 09:13 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Kishimoney taking over the Burrito manga? Whew, I wonder where that'll go? Considering all his contributions to Burrito are negative hits to NH/SS...
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Naruto's final dying thoughts had to do with his regrets; including Sakura.
Not getting my hopes up, but it would be nice.

Hey, at least this proves one thing.

A lot of proenders believe Kishimoto was always writing the Burrito manga....now we know this is NOT the case considering this is big news that he is only NOW he is going to start writing it.

"Don't worry. I won't kill anyone else for a ship this time."

[Illnevergiveup3]

Kishimoney taking over the Burrito manga? Whew, I wonder where that'll go? Considering all his contributions to Burrito are negative hits to NH/SS...
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Naruto's final dying thoughts had to do with his regrets; including Sakura.
Not getting my hopes up, but it would be nice.

would be even more funny if that's when the real Naruto wakes up right in the middle of the war with Sakura-Chan giving CPR to him.

[Chatte]

Kishimoney taking over the Burrito manga? Whew, I wonder where that'll go? Considering all his contributions to Burrito are negative hits to NH/SS...
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Naruto's final dying thoughts had to do with his regrets; including Sakura.
Not getting my hopes up, but it would be nice.

I'd laugh my ass out, I swear.

 

Tho I don't think he has the guts.

 

The man never had it to begin with.

[Bail o' Lies]

Hey, at least this proves one thing.

A lot of proenders believe Kishimoto was always writing the Burrito manga....now we know this is NOT the case considering this is big news that he is only NOW he is going to start writing it.

"Don't worry. I won't kill anyone else for a ship this time."

...Are they that uninformed & illiterate that they can't even read the credit on the title page?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Naruto's final dying thoughts had to do with his regrets; including Sakura.
Not getting my hopes up, but it would be nice.

To be honest, I thought about this, like his final dying thoughts will be how he failed to confess, that would be both hilarious and deserved. Kishi would come back to Naruto to just let him down one last time 

[Nostradamus]

...Are they that uninformed & illiterate that they can't even read the credit on the title page?

Yes.

[Illnevergiveup3]

To be honest, I thought about this, like his final dying thoughts will be how he failed to confess, that would be both hilarious and deserved. Kishi would come back to Naruto to just let him down one last time 

😂😂😂😂

Kishi to Naruto: you thought I was done?

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 19 November 2020 - 12:12 AM.

[ThroughWithLove]

I'd say desperation, not on Kishimoto end, but rather from the publisher and/or anime studio. People need to know that Kishimoto has always been involved in Boruto (supervising, whatever that entails). So, this is nothing new, and probably just a marketing stunt.

Why I think it shows desperation? The franchise generated a gross revenue of 8.1 billion for manga magazine and manga volume alone in the span of 15 years (https://en.m.wikiped...edia_franchises) starting from 2000. It's sold 250 million copies in that timeframe.

Contrast that to less than 1 million copies Boruto sold in 2019. It's not even 1/10 of what Naruto pre-2016 generated.

Of course they're desperate to fix it. More than 80% of Naruto franchise's gross revenue comes from manga magazine and manga volumes.

The whole point of Boruto is to gain more profits. All these U-turn in the storyline, killing NS to make NH/SS canon, put Hinata as the heroine and push Sakura as non-important character. All of these have only one objective: money.

And not only they didn't get the money they thought they would've got, those steps actually killed the very engine that finances this franchise its loyal readers. Those that supported the manga since its early days.

The signs are very clear. They didn't put Hinata in the front seat anymore, immediately after The Last. You hardly get any meaningful NH/SS moments in the manga or anime after The Last. They advertised Hinata as the true heroine when The Last came out, and at the start of Boruto manga. Have anyone heard anything about it again?

When it aired in Netflix, or other streaming media, you'd see Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura on the poster, or Team 7. You wouldn't see Hinata, even after The Last. I keep telling this, and I'll repeat again: Hinata doesn't sell. She didnt bring money to the table. They tried selling merchandise with her in it, it just didnt fly.

As for the official take over, whatever they call it (honestly, it's more like someone was getting fired, lol), majority of the fans probably don't care anymore. It's a lost on Kishimoto end, if he wished the old fans to return and buy his manga. We have moved on.

I think it's important to note that money may not be Kishimoto's motivation in coming back. He's worth more than $20 million (a rarity for mangaka to attain such value, although I think it's an unfair distribution considering the overall gross revenue).

Regardless, he has placed himself in a difficult position. If the Boruto manga sales stays flat or decline even more, he'll proof even further that his name as a brand doesn't carry weight. If the Boruto manga sales gain steam, he'd be expected to bring it at Naruto level of success or even more. This can only be done by major overhaul to Boruto storyline. Anything below Naruto sales will further proof the whole storyline u-turn brings nothing but destruction to the franchise.

He's competing against himself a decade ago. The difference this time is he no longer have that loyal readers supporting him, he no longer have editor like Yahagi who steers the storyline direction (let's face it, Kishi is not a storyteller genius like Yoko Taro) and he's not that young anymore.

I wouldn't hold my breath on the news. Deep down we know where this is going...

They made the mistake all too many companies are making these days: The assumed that because a vocal minority was clamoring about NH/SS on youtube/tumblr/twitter, that that meant a massive majority wanted it to happen. In the end, what Kishimoto ended up doing was appeasing no more than maybe 1% of the actual fanbase. Turns out a majority of us don't get on youtube screaming like little goblins every time we see Sakura hit Naruto while simultaneously gushing all over Hinata . . . no I'm sorry, Hinata-hime sama!!!  

 

Anyways, the only chance I see of saving Naruto is to reboot it ENTIRELY, except with the goal of fixing stuff that went wrong the first time around while simultaneously telling a different story. Core stuff like the dynamic of Team 7, Naruto hosting the Nina Tailed fox, Sasuke eventually leaving the village and Sakura having a crush on Sasuke can remain, but I'd like to see a Naruto series that does away with the convoluted crap that ended up burying this series into the ground (RETCON EVERYTHING AFTER PAIN, Orochimaru STAYS a bad guy, no child of prophesy BS, ninja battles remain ninja battles instead of DBZ battles, actually multiple team 7 missions BEFORE the chuunin exam arc, etc). They could rebrand it as "The Legend of Naruto" or something.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 19 November 2020 - 12:51 AM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

This time around in the reboot he has to finally let Sakura-Chan realize that what she feels for Sasuke doesnt compare to the true love that she will eventually feel for Naruto. Naruto has to stop being a pussy and confess his feelings. He has to become the Hokage the right way. And he has to earn his strength like he said he would, through sheer will and hard work. They have to actually follow through with the parallels, etc. I dont mind it be the same story, as long as the fix everything that went wrong. NS happens this time, Naruto becomes the Hokage the right way, like a respectable Hokage, he lives up to his nindo, Hinata will finally accept that Narutos heart is with Sakura-Chan and she will go become greater somewhere else. Sasuke could be with Karin and still give Sakura-Chan what she wanted, acknowledgement by finally acknowledging her as a friend and a teammate. Simply put, he has to do the ending he actually wanted to do and show us how Sakura-Chan slowly chooses Naruto over Sasuke while Sasuke is there during the war.

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 19 November 2020 - 01:24 AM.