Edited by Hyuga Sage, 05 August 2013 - 04:43 PM.
Neji's Death Was BEYOND Horrible
#1
Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:39 PM
#2
Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:45 PM
I know I've seen this post before on another forum. Are you the same person?
Anyway I somewhat agree. I liked the message that he was now free and understood his father's actions.
Besides that, I feeI like his death was a plot device and for Hinata's development. I did not like the way he died, it was too easy. Jumping in front of a stick to protect Hinata and Naruto. I did not like that Hinata placed herself to face Naruto instead of the deadly sticks either, not a good move.
Edited by sushi., 05 August 2013 - 04:47 PM.
ナルサク
#3
Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:57 PM
I know I've seen this post before on another forum. Are you the same person?
Well, Yeah, I am.
#4
Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:27 PM
Heck in Part 1, GENIN Neji survived worse from KidomaruAnd it's not like his actual death was handled any better. Hinata refers his dying words. guess what? I'd MUCH rather have some legit well done death flashbacks like ALL THE OTHER half-decent deaths had. We get Lee crying, and then Gai tells him to man up. ****. YOU. MIGHT. GAI. You stupid piece of kitten. You'd never say something like that if that was Lee.....We were all expecting Gai to at least show some sadness, but NOTHING.
Rofl totally recognized this post from MF. It's hilarious how true your post is ( ̄▽ ̄)
To be fair genin Neji recovered because of Tsunade's expertise, but even then he could manage to survive on his own for a little while until help arrives, but the jounin neji died within a few moments.. ( ̄Д ̄)
And Gai was clearly devastated when lee was injured in part I.. but it's that team formula from naruto manga again.. there's always a student that the teacher favors over..
Edited by Hanabi, 05 August 2013 - 05:29 PM.
I can't even say good bye to you for the last time
I'm sorry
#5
Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:53 PM
I found there was not enough emotion in his death.
Gaara's death was so much more better.
I thought that Neji was the Hyuuga Clan's futur, but I was wrong.
From the beginning, Hinata was the character who was suppose to become the leader of Hyuuga clan. I you look carefully, she makes a better ninja than Neji, even if her cousin was a genious, and not her. Hinata was supposed to be stronger and stronger by time, and today, finally, Neji has to die to finish her developpement.
Yes, his death was all for Hinata's developpement, nothing more.
I found it sad, cause to me, Neji was a better Hyuuga, and... a better character with better background and developpement until war.
I think that Kishimoto really destroyed Neji's character by sacrifising him like this. He died without showing anything great in the manga.
He died without fighting Lee, without showing some new jutsus.
But yeah, it's Kishimoto's writing. I don't understand how Hyuuga Clan didn't have any importance in the story?
They have one of the three Dojutsus, and yet... Kishimoto doesn't use this for making the Hyuuga story more interesting.
Hinata is now the only hope to get some interesting developpement for Hyuuga Clan, but sadly, this character only exist for Naruto and her own lovestory...
Edited by Sojobo, 05 August 2013 - 05:55 PM.
#6
Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:20 PM
I think i'm the only one, for me Neji's death never served for Hinata's development, that was for Naruto, neji's speech and words were directly towards him, his death opened an scenario were Hinata went OOC and give that speech, that's not development seeing that Neji's words didnt affected Hinata, (Hinata didnt thanked Neji and her thoughts were on Naruto) the ones who got affect by his death were, Naruto, Lee and the rest of his team (TenTen and Gai).
Even when Neji showed on that chapter, Hinata once again give the credtis to Naruto, i beleive that the problem with Hinata is her focus and how she leechs development from Naruto, would be a good character if she had things on her own, but she's always centered on Naruto like a satellite, but she getting development recently and seems that she accepted the possibility of friendzone.
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 August 2013 - 06:23 PM.
#7
Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:06 PM
This sentiment I agree with. Neji had potential. He was an interesting character, THEN he got trashed for no reason. His death developed Hinata? NO, apparently all she need to do to be competent at something is to be there for her, "Naruto-kun". Not bashing here or undermining her development but that scene just left a sour taste in my mouth because she's STILL TOO CLINGY to Naruto. Not saying this for pairing reasons but as a character, she doesn't have much depth and never will until she stops treating Naruto as her universe. And Neji's death was supposed to "change this" apparently. It just is more of a slap to the face for his fans. He's supposed to make Hinata be less simple minded but no, not even his death changed that. That was SO WELL handled. *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP,* And Agreed with Gai also. He had no right to be saying Lee should stop crying and focus when he would be bawling like a baby if Lee was killed. But calling him a piece of S*** is not justified, and could be considered bashing. Just pointing this out because bashing characters is not tolerated here.
Edited by Phantom_999, 05 August 2013 - 08:05 PM.
#8
Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:18 AM
If anyone asks why this is being posted so late after Neji's death, well, it's because I re read the Kidomaru VS Neji fight some time ago and realized how much BETTER it would have been for him to just die BACK THEN.
Neji got killed by a weak attack that he should be able to deal with, that makes his death look contrived and forced and makes Neji look weak.
He died from a wooden needle, that Naruto could easily have tanked
Heck in Part 1, GENIN Neji survived worse from Kidomaru
The attack was stated to be too fast, yet somehow Hinata is casually able to walk in front of it, Neji is able to jump in from no where, yet they can't use air palm or rotation to stop?
Neji also didn't get any development at all in part two and the first panel he appears in after a long time, he dies. This means Kishimoto only pulled Neji out of nowhere to kill him and use him as a plot device/fodder. The problem here is it is super obvious and that shouldn't be the case.
Also when you say "people asked for deaths", I never asked for more deaths because I'm smart and know that killing undeveloped characters means nothing to the readers.
he died meaninglessly to a random attack in the same chapter he just showed up. since he didn't get any development for he most of part 2, to the point when he was dying Kishi had to show CHUNNIN EXAM moments of Neji , because he was never around in part 2! How much more obvious can it get that Neji was undeveloped, so much so that Kishi had to use panels from 400 chapters ago.
I agree with your overall point that it was horrible, but my reasons differ.
His death was not meaningless. It was supposed to drive home Obito's point. Of course, the manga just slides right by the fact that there may not be a less credible person available to make it. I've posted on that problem elsewhere, so I won't spend much time with it. It's just that to accept Obito's path you're kind of forced to trust him. You know, the guy that killed his friend.
It also set up Naruto refutation of that point, which was equally as bad. As has also been explain in other threads, Hinata shouldn't have to drive home the message Neji just stated and had been repeated before in the story. Naruto's reaction to the whole thing was terribly disappointing.
His death had a point, but one of them had been made before and the other well...like I said...Naruto's really going to hear it from THAT guy? Obito's trail of bodies should have been sufficient.
The other reason is Tsunade, Pain, and Gaara. All three were contrived resurrection/near-resurrections. Gaara used a disposable character who was just introduced and happen to know that technique. I still site Pain mass resurrection as the worst moment in the story, and Tsuande's save may be more contrived that both of those combined as it involved a minor character cheating Edo Tensei long enough to give her a power boost that gave her enough energy to stay alive until she is discovered by one of the few people who can do something about her problem.
After all that Neji has to bite it the way he did? Whatever. When Tsunade was being put back together I said if I were Neji I would be throwing a cosmic hissy fit over that,
I don't think his death was meant to make the war more real. I think that was the broader purpose of Edo Tensei and stating the huge number of deaths (50% of the army and 0% of established good guys! What are the odds!) at the end of day one. As an aside, I think that tends to be a good example of why telling instead of showing is considered a weakness in writing. It gave names and faces to the opposition. Most of them were still slight-upgraded mooks, but it was superior to a mass of white-zetsu's.
As far as it's emotion impact, I think it was okay. It would be better if he spent more time developing Neji the person. The Hyuuga story generally isn't that important. It's a back drop to minor characters, and it's just not important to the overall story. If developing Neji means spending time with it, so be it. But there back story really didn't need more focus.
#9
Posted 06 August 2013 - 03:29 AM
I feel like maybe Neji's death would have been better or more meaningful if Naruto didn't just breakdown and willing to give up to give Hinata this weird out of place moment that has no meaning down the road. It would have been better if he got pissed and tried to deal with Obito alone, letting his anger get to him and nearly dying from it. So of like a blood rage.
The way it was all written really felt like all it was doing was giving the NH fans to ooh and aww over. Fan service so to speak. Some will disagree with me, but I really feel like that is all the meaning the scene had. Sure, Lee got upset, but that was more comedy than an actual emotional hit.
(I do want to emphasis that it wasn't because Hinata did it, but the moment itself that was just so awkward. Hell, even if Sakura would have done it it would have felt weird.)
I feel Neji's death was needed, but was executed poorly.
#10
Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:35 PM
I agree with your overall point that it was horrible, but my reasons differ.
His death was not meaningless. It was supposed to drive home Obito's point. Of course, the manga just slides right by the fact that there may not be a less credible person available to make it. I've posted on that problem elsewhere, so I won't spend much time with it. It's just that to accept Obito's path you're kind of forced to trust him. You know, the guy that killed his friend.
It also set up Naruto refutation of that point, which was equally as bad. As has also been explain in other threads, Hinata shouldn't have to drive home the message Neji just stated and had been repeated before in the story. Naruto's reaction to the whole thing was terribly disappointing.
His death had a point, but one of them had been made before and the other well...like I said...Naruto's really going to hear it from THAT guy? Obito's trail of bodies should have been sufficient.
The other reason is Tsunade, Pain, and Gaara. All three were contrived resurrection/near-resurrections. Gaara used a disposable character who was just introduced and happen to know that technique. I still site Pain mass resurrection as the worst moment in the story, and Tsuande's save may be more contrived that both of those combined as it involved a minor character cheating Edo Tensei long enough to give her a power boost that gave her enough energy to stay alive until she is discovered by one of the few people who can do something about her problem.
After all that Neji has to bite it the way he did? Whatever. When Tsunade was being put back together I said if I were Neji I would be throwing a cosmic hissy fit over that,
I don't think his death was meant to make the war more real. I think that was the broader purpose of Edo Tensei and stating the huge number of deaths (50% of the army and 0% of established good guys! What are the odds!) at the end of day one. As an aside, I think that tends to be a good example of why telling instead of showing is considered a weakness in writing. It gave names and faces to the opposition. Most of them were still slight-upgraded mooks, but it was superior to a mass of white-zetsu's.
As far as it's emotion impact, I think it was okay. It would be better if he spent more time developing Neji the person. The Hyuuga story generally isn't that important. It's a back drop to minor characters, and it's just not important to the overall story. If developing Neji means spending time with it, so be it. But there back story really didn't need more focus.
Yep me too, seeing Naruto wavering after previously telling Obito he would not give up because a lot of people died for him to succeed, that proved me that Kishi did bad writing to give development to Hinata and a bit of fanservice.
For Hinata it was the worse, seemed that she's a very confident girl when close to Naruto but when she's far we have her wavering in front of that bijuu dama when Sakura was healing Naruto.
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