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#1441 luffyq1

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:36 AM

Can you explain to me, the...rational hate?

Anti's hate that she manipulated Naruto's feelings, even if she did have good intentions. They hate her uselessness during that arc. They hate that she knocked out her comrades when they where there to help her out with Sasuke. They hate how she's the Heroine but doesn't get treated as such sometimes. 

 
I lurk the NF anti Sakura club to see what they have to b*tch about. I see where they're coming from, but even so she's still my fav character. I actually love her flaws.

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:38 AM

No wonder he tried to blow up baby Naruto, he was just jealous of his beautiful family in front of him.

lmao oh god.

Yep, if he couldn't have that, Naruto couldn't, either.

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:42 AM

I also like how it was never addressed that he killed Sarutobi's wife or Kurama apologizing to Naruto for shishkabobing his parents and making him an orphan.

Also at this point if Obito wanted to see Rin so badly he could have just had Kabuto...idk Edo Tensei her or something.

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#1444 luffyq1

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:50 AM

I also like how it was never addressed that he killed Sarutobi's wife or Kurama apologizing to Naruto for shishkabobing his parents and making him an orphan.

Also at this point if Obito wanted to see Rin so badly he could have just had Kabuto...idk Edo Tensei her or something.

All of that stuff gets swept under the rug as though it never happened. If Kishi is making Obito being looked at as innocent, then there's a good chance that Sasuke is gonna be living in a five star apartment in Konoha after he is labeled a hero next to Naruto in the war.  

 

He's either too lazy or just doesn't give a kitten to actually address these issues. I'm gonna go with a combination of both.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:52 AM

Basically, we should stop acting self-righteous and not condemn every translator that even so much as hints to being pro SS, right?

Yeah, I am also including being critical towards "professional" translations, like Viz. Viz may not be a good at translating the series for multiple of reasons, though I doubt they are bias shipping fans. Even if they were, I wouldn't have known that, and wouldn't make that assumption.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:52 AM

Wow what  a discussion! 

 

I've been following this topic for the last several days and I have yet to weigh in on the matter with my thoughts.Honestly I'm not of the belief that this chapter killed SS per se. True other than the Viz translation it definitely sounds like Kakashi is making the observation that the nature of Sakura's love for Sasuke has changed to something more akin to friendship. Although in my opinion Viz has already covered their butts with their own translation even if it turns out Sakura doesn't have romantic feelings for him anymore. Yes "totally other level" does sound like it implies deeper feelings but it could also be construed as a different type of love. Regardless that part of the translation was embellished. Now as to why I think it doesn't kill SS is because the viewpoint is coming from a third party. Kakashi probably can read Sakura's feelings quite well but he isn't actually Sakura. She may indeed still think she has, or actually have romantic love for Sasuke, and until she proves otherwise I can't say SS is officially dead.

 

Be that as it may as far as the story is concerned I've considered SS more or less dead since Sasuke's arrival to the battlefield if it was ever really alive in the first place. The phrase "it takes two to tango" comes to mind. In order for SS to make any sense to me I would need to see Sasuke actually show some kind of feelings for Sakura. NaruSaku actually has mutual development and while none of it is explicitly romantic there are certainly hints and many of the themes of the story support it. As far as I'm aware none of the explored themes apply especially to SS. It just kind of exists in its own little bubble inside Naruto and Sakura's minds. Whenever it does surface it acts as nothing but an antagonizing force for them. 

 

Also something to think about if ever you may find yourself becoming angry at KIshimoto for not just coming out and making NaruSaku canon or not outright killing SS or NH. Kishimoto has placed great importance on the seemingly unreachable goal of Naruto winning Sakura's heart. Think back to the beginning when Sakura hated him and it seemed like never in a million years Naruto would achieve that. Even though he has not placed great emphasis on the actual romance aspect Kishimoto has kept things in the dark as far as the precise nature of Sakura's feelings for Naruto. This indicates to me that this is actually a very important plot point. If it wasn't he wouldn't be so coy about it and would probably have already ended the possibility of NS happening. The hints are there to show that Sakura falling for Naruto would make sense. So even now we're unsure or at least not completely 100% sure about Sakura's feelings. Yes it's drama but Naruto is central to this drama. This is reinforced by his statement to Sai where he feels he can't confess to Sakura unless he keeps his promise to her. Also the girlfriend comment to his dad. If Naruto still loves Sakura, her not returning those feelings would greatly affect him. Also remember Naruto's words from a somewhat recent chapter, something along the lines of how he takes the most difficult path. Think about that line in relation to Naruto gaining the affection of Sakura! :smile:

 

Honestly nothing at this point short of Sakura again declaring her love for Sasuke and begging for his acknowledgment will faze me and only that because it would lessen her character in my eyes. The pieces are set for NaruSaku. The story and themes support it and nothing as far as I can comprehend has harmed its credibility. :happy: 
 



#1447 narusaku256

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:04 AM

yeah and this time they will not make the same mistakes they did the first time

You mean Sakura now helping Naruto unlike the first time when she ignored him and went "Sasuke kun Sasuke kun" right?

 

Anti's hate that she manipulated Naruto's feelings, even if she did have good intentions. They hate her uselessness during that arc. They hate that she knocked out her comrades when they where there to help her out with Sasuke. They hate how she's the Heroine but doesn't get treated as such sometimes. 

 
I lurk the NF anti Sakura club to see what they have to b*tch about. I see where they're coming from, but even so she's still my fav character. I actually love her flaws.

 

Like we both know, she did NOT manipulate his feelings and even if she did it was ll for him. She is anything but useless. I don't know why she knocked Kiba and everyone out. About the heroine thing, I'll wait before asserting.

 

Like you, I love her for her flaws! She will always be my favourite irrespective of what other fandoms say about her!


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:09 AM

 

First of all, thanks for stating how you feel.  I can understand that pairing debates can get a bit hostile at times, and I even personally like discussions that deal with pro-pairings instead of anti-pairings. 

 

While I agree that some people may come off as narrow-minded about this particular topic, it should be noted that at least some of us are looking at the previous chapters and the context of the images that went along with the text for clues on how Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have changed.  For example, Kakashi is observing Sakura as she is discussing Madara with Naruto and Sasuke.  If we compare Sakura's image to how Kakashi remembered her, we can see that she is no longer the smitten girl that she used to be.  She stands tall with her teammates and greatly matured from how she used to be. As Kakashi is thinking about Sakura's feelings, she is also not showing any visual signs of attraction to Sasuke as she is talking.  That goes along with the idea that Kakashi is thinking that Sakura doesn't love Sasuke romantically anymore. 

 

I wouldn't say that SS is dead or anything yet, though.  I believe the true meaning of Kakashi's words will come out soon anyway, so we may just need to be patient.  It will get interesting. 

Yeah, but that was quickly cleared up.  As far as I know, the major debate for chapter 631 is how serious Naruto was when he answered his dad's question. 

Or maybe it showed that Sakura was no longer purely devoted to her crush on Sasuke, as she was in Part 1. She could still be in love with him for all we know, but she is more than that now, she has other responsibilities.



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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:14 AM

@TrueSacrifice

I agree about SS not being dead, but more hanging on by a thread type thing. Until Sakura comes out and says she no longer loves Sasuke, there will still be a bit of doubt and possibility of SS. Unless of course she kisses Naruto or something.

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:18 AM

 

@TrueSacrifice

I agree about SS not being dead, but more hanging on by a thread type thing. Until Sakura comes out and says she no longer loves Sasuke, there will still be a bit of doubt and possibility of SS. Unless of course she kisses Naruto or something.

 

Well I would say she did perform CPR on him, but I guess given the context that wouldn't count. The again she also saved him by literally grabbing onto his heart to manly pump it so that he wouldn't die, while at the same time thinking of his dreams and how she wants him to succeed, AS she gives him mouth-to-mouth. Still not a kiss, but pretty goddamn close, especially considering what kind of Manga Naruto is supposed  to be (a non-romantic one).


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:23 AM

 

@TrueSacrifice

I agree about SS not being dead, but more hanging on by a thread type thing. Until Sakura comes out and says she no longer loves Sasuke, there will still be a bit of doubt and possibility of SS. Unless of course she kisses Naruto or something.

 

 

You could say that, but for me there is no doubt. SS survives simply on me not knowing Sakura's actual feelings. The plot, themes, and characters take precedence over Sakura being completely over Sasuke or not at this time.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:26 AM

You mean Sakura now helping Naruto unlike the first time when she ignored him and went "Sasuke kun Sasuke kun" right?

Like we both know, she did NOT manipulate his feelings and even if she did it was ll for him. She is anything but useless. I don't know why she knocked Kiba and everyone out. About the heroine thing, I'll wait before asserting.

 

Like you, I love her for her flaws! She will always be my favourite irrespective of what other fandoms say about her!

yes thats exactly what i mean heh and hopefully sasuke will put more trust in his comrades


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:34 AM

yes thats exactly what i mean heh and hopefully sasuke will put more trust in his comrades

I'll not be so sure about this. I can be sure of Naruto and Sakura, but I doubt about Sasuke. He can entrust things to Naruto, but Sakura....I doubt!


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:11 AM

73 pages, holy crap. heres hoping kishi keeps the vague to a minimum next chapter. fat chance of tht probably tho lol



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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:52 AM

I'll not be so sure about this. I can be sure of Naruto and Sakura, but I doubt about Sasuke. He can entrust things to Naruto, but Sakura....I doubt!

yeah lol i can't wait to see the sakura haters get trolled tomorrow


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:13 AM

This has nothing to do with the chapter, but I saw the new poster for volume 69.

 

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They included both Sakura and Karin.


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#1457 narusaku256

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:22 AM

yeah lol i can't wait to see the sakura haters get trolled tomorrow

OH YES! Can't wait for that already!


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:22 AM

This has nothing to do with the chapter, but I saw the new poster for volume 69.

 

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They included both Sakura and Karin.

Neat. That's the volume vibe I truly got: live or dead. So many anticipation of life and death. Good volume.

 

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:24 AM

This has nothing to do with the chapter, but I saw the new poster for volume 69.

 

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They included both Sakura and Karin.

Where's Sakura? I can see Karin and Naruto but no Sakura :/


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:25 AM

Where's Sakura? I can see Karin and Naruto but no Sakura :/

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