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#1 tricksie

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:55 AM

So with the new rinnegan in combination with the sharingan, is Sasuke more powerful than he was before? Or less powerful?

 

Can he control the rinnegan along with this old doujutsus, or did he gain something new, but loose some of his old powers (like Susano, etc.)?

 

Is he now at the same level of power to Naruto, or a close second? I know he's decided to wander, but isn't Sasuke at Kage level or sage level now? 

 

There is not much to go one with Sasuke wandering for no good reason. No explanation of how he feels or what he hopes for now in life. (Obviously he's given up being Kage, and even having a wife and child aren't enough reasons to keep him in the village.) But I was wondering if it was a case of the two of them, Naruto and Sasuke, being too powerful to be in the same village together. Too much potential friction. And the way they leave it at the end, with Sasuke saying the will resolve things between them at some later time, seems like Naruto ans Sasuke haven't really reached any peace or understanding at all. Just a mutual truce.

 

Anyway, so what are Sasuke's new potential powers with his rinnegan?

 

(Oh yeah, if it's not completely obvious, this is another fanfic question I'm grappling with.)



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 05:17 AM

Well, I imagine Sasuke now can access the powers of the Six Paths, since he did Chibaku Tensei/Catastrophic Planetary Construction to trap Kurama and the other Biju away after his declaration to kill the Gokage and start his "revolution". Plus he would have stronger versions of all of his Jutsu and power with his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, so I would say he's pretty powerful, more so than he had been before, YET he is only an equal of Naruto's now.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 05:42 AM

I still think that the Rinegan should had been a temporary upgrade or should had never been given to him at all. I never really liked that it was just a  sharingan upgrade.

Besides, Nagato getting the eyes of Madara was the most stupid ass pull ever. Couldnt they have just been a tool that Madara wanted to obtain for his goals?



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:41 AM

I still think that the Rinegan should had been a temporary upgrade or should had never been given to him at all. I never really liked that it was just a  sharingan upgrade.
Besides, Nagato getting the eyes of Madara was the most stupid ass pull ever. Couldnt they have just been a tool that Madara wanted to obtain for his goals?

This.

Naruto and Sasuke are just too powerful now,its very difficult to relate to them.

In the end i would have liked for Sasuke to go blind, it would been a nice punishment for his character. But instead he got the most powerful doujutsu in existence

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:00 PM

Really powerful. Rinnegan Madara level

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 03:18 PM

Thanks for the responses. I'm trying to write for Sasuke in my revised ending fic, but it's so hard. There's just nothing to go on. We accept the Sasuke's story is resolved and he's out traveling the world with a peaceful intent only because we're told that's what is happening. But the reality is something different. He's still got all his crazy powers, he's still unfocused in his goals, he's still looking for answers, and he admits there are still things unresolved with Naruto. They just 'hug it out' in the end, with a promise to fight later. 

 

It's crazy that the whole damn story has revolved around Sasuke for so long, and now in the end he is literally brushed aside. There is no resolution to his character, no purpose for his future. All 15 years of his build up over Naruto, his plot driving the story, and in the end it all leads nowhere. Only to be replaced by Hinata. Sheesh.

 

 

Well, I imagine Sasuke now can access the powers of the Six Paths, since he did Chibaku Tensei/Catastrophic Planetary Construction to trap Kurama and the other Biju away after his declaration to kill the Gokage and start his "revolution". Plus he would have stronger versions of all of his Jutsu and power with his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, so I would say he's pretty powerful, more so than he had been before, YET he is only an equal of Naruto's now.

 

Yes, that's what I was thinking too. He is super powerful, but only equal to Naruto. Which is a sort of anticlimactic ending, if you think about it. Naruto strives to beat Sasuke, but in the end, they're still on par with each other. Sasuke has just given up his quest for a life of darkness. 

 

I still think that the Rinegan should had been a temporary upgrade or should had never been given to him at all. I never really liked that it was just a  sharingan upgrade.

Besides, Nagato getting the eyes of Madara was the most stupid ass pull ever. Couldnt they have just been a tool that Madara wanted to obtain for his goals?

 

 

This.

Naruto and Sasuke are just too powerful now,its very difficult to relate to them.

In the end i would have liked for Sasuke to go blind, it would been a nice punishment for his character. But instead he got the most powerful doujutsu in existence

 

Yes, there doesn't seem to be much punishment for him, other than a lecture from Kakashi not to go crazy again. His powers aren't docked, and his power-ups are still intact. And there is no clear outcome for what he's going to do with it in the future. 

 

Really powerful. Rinnegan Madara level

 

Yes, that's what I was thinking too. But there is nothing said about Sasuke vowing not to use his powers to turn into the next Madara, even though he's basically following in Madara's footsteps.



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Posted 17 December 2014 - 04:13 PM

Sasuke's goal is world peace. From that mindset, he's going to put his powers to the use of serving that goal, just not with all the murder/mayhem. I see him operating from the shadows, contrary to Naruto operating from the light (i.e. starting a secret organization like the akatsuki, with taka at the base, but using it for the purpose of apprehending criminals, so as to prevent people like Obito or Madara from ever becoming a danger again). They both become leaders helping each other. I also don't see him living in Konoha (at least for another 20 years) or most people knowing he's at the head of this organization. Prior to 699, the people in Konoha had brains and thus are going to take issue with a mass murderer walking around the streets like its no big deal.

 

As for his abilities, Sasuke ought to have been a HELL OF A LOT MORE POWERFUL than what we saw on panel. Granted, he may have been exhausted from the war. Even so,  Naruto is always ahead of him by a hair. :wink:


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 04:38 PM

Yes, that's what I was thinking too. He is super powerful, but only equal to Naruto. Which is a sort of anticlimactic ending, if you think about it. Naruto strives to beat Sasuke, but in the end, they're still on par with each other. Sasuke has just given up his quest for a life of darkness. 

 

I know how that feels. I know for my own fanfic, I am trying to figure out the best way to handle Sasuke and Naruto's power levels without having their going as insanely far as they are in the canon itself. The hardest part to me is trying to keep them from using the same powers as the Sage of Six Paths, though I am taking different approaches to Naruto and Sasuke in my fic since it is an alternate universe after all.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 01:13 AM

Sasuke's goal is world peace. From that mindset, he's going to put his powers to the use of serving that goal, just not with all the murder/mayhem. I see him operating from the shadows, contrary to Naruto operating from the light (i.e. starting a secret organization like the akatsuki, with taka at the base, but using it for the purpose of apprehending criminals, so as to prevent people like Obito or Madara from ever becoming a danger again). They both become leaders helping each other. I also don't see him living in Konoha (at least for another 20 years) or most people knowing he's at the head of this organization. Prior to 699, the people in Konoha had brains and thus are going to take issue with a mass murderer walking around the streets like its no big deal.

 

As for his abilities, Sasuke ought to have been a HELL OF A LOT MORE POWERFUL than what we saw on panel. Granted, he may have been exhausted from the war. Even so,  Naruto is always ahead of him by a hair. :wink:

 

But here's the thing, if he wants world peace and he forms a shadow organization to keep that peace...doesn't that make him like Danzo??

 

And actually, I agree with your idea. It would make sense for Sasuke to work in tandem with Naruto, doing things his own way. It would have been great in the manga, if Kishimoto hadn't already shot that idea down by making Danzo a villain, even after giving him a redeemable backstory.

 

And the Danzo-Sarutobi dynamic is repeated with Hashirama-Madara, and again with the two sons of the Sot6P. None of these were resolved successfully. And in the end, Sasuke says that one day he'll come back and they'll 'resolve' things between the two of them. So we know that in the end of the manga, there really is no satisfactory answer. I think that's why Kishimoto copped out on the ending.

 

Anyway, yeah it makes sense for Sasuke to be a type of Danzo character. But I think since Kishi crapped all over that storyline there's no way he could save it for Sasuke. It would have been a nice parallel though, having Sasuke succeed where generations before had failed, and having them partner for peace inside and outside of Konoha. But, nope. That's too much of a tidy ending.

 

Oh and yes, I agree - Sasuke should have been a lot stronger than was shown. The fight was supposed to mirror the VotE fight, which was suspenseful and gruesome. But in this last grand finale fight, it just feels like Kishimoto ran out of gas. Throwing punches and beat up faces. That's it. Sure there is the last scene of the blood where their hands used to be. But all the drama is taken out of the image because the fight is over. It's not like you look at the bloody scene and worry for the life of the one fighting.

 

As far as fights go, the last one was pretty disappointing.

 

 

 

I know how that feels. I know for my own fanfic, I am trying to figure out the best way to handle Sasuke and Naruto's power levels without having their going as insanely far as they are in the canon itself. The hardest part to me is trying to keep them from using the same powers as the Sage of Six Paths, though I am taking different approaches to Naruto and Sasuke in my fic since it is an alternate universe after all.

 

Yeah, it's tough. I want to show them as both enjoying the benefits of their powers, but also being burdened by it. I swear, when you start writing a fic about the end, you really realize how open and vague everything is. Kishimoto just let so much go.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 01:30 AM

Yeah, it's tough. I want to show them as both enjoying the benefits of their powers, but also being burdened by it. I swear, when you start writing a fic about the end, you really realize how open and vague everything is. Kishimoto just let so much go.

 

Even mine is an AU and it can come off hard to work with sometimes, babe. =/ I'm sure you can figure it out though, even with all of us to help!



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 03:18 AM

Kishimoto's version of Sasuke...I can't see him actually getting much of a degrade in powers or really have to pay anything back for his redemption. It didn't seem like Kishi was interested in the redemption part of Sasuke's story, almost like we were simply supposed to accept from one action that Sasuke was sorry and wouldn't do it again. Really? The only time Sasuke did something for someone else was saving Naruto at the beginning of the manga. Every other action since then was a selfish one, and Kishi was fine leaving Sasuke just as selfish. He chose to wander, to be absent.

 

If there's anything I'd like to see for Sasuke, it'd be him actually learning how to live for others rather than forever living only for himself. I also think it would be interesting to see him lose his eye powers and have to work his butt off making a difference in the world without his hand-given god powers. He could become a disciple of hard work himself and maybe actually learn some humility. Basically, make it believable that Sasuke actually did change. After all, the entire story revolved around the fact that he needed to for Naruto to move on with his life as well. Kishi failed to show us that and instead expected us to just accept that it happened off screen somehow.

 

Since there was once a part of Sasuke that was willing to die for someone else (Naruto), somehow building off of that I think would help with his character.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:06 AM

 

But here's the thing, if he wants world peace and he forms a shadow organization to keep that peace...doesn't that make him like Danzo??

 

And actually, I agree with your idea. It would make sense for Sasuke to work in tandem with Naruto, doing things his own way. It would have been great in the manga, if Kishimoto hadn't already shot that idea down by making Danzo a villain, even after giving him a redeemable backstory.

 

And the Danzo-Sarutobi dynamic is repeated with Hashirama-Madara, and again with the two sons of the Sot6P. None of these were resolved successfully. And in the end, Sasuke says that one day he'll come back and they'll 'resolve' things between the two of them. So we know that in the end of the manga, there really is no satisfactory answer. I think that's why Kishimoto copped out on the ending.

 

Anyway, yeah it makes sense for Sasuke to be a type of Danzo character. But I think since Kishi crapped all over that storyline there's no way he could save it for Sasuke. It would have been a nice parallel though, having Sasuke succeed where generations before had failed, and having them partner for peace inside and outside of Konoha. But, nope. That's too much of a tidy ending.

 

Oh and yes, I agree - Sasuke should have been a lot stronger than was shown. The fight was supposed to mirror the VotE fight, which was suspenseful and gruesome. But in this last grand finale fight, it just feels like Kishimoto ran out of gas. Throwing punches and beat up faces. That's it. Sure there is the last scene of the blood where their hands used to be. But all the drama is taken out of the image because the fight is over. It's not like you look at the bloody scene and worry for the life of the one fighting.

 

As far as fights go, the last one was pretty disappointing.

 

 

 

Yeah, it's tough. I want to show them as both enjoying the benefits of their powers, but also being burdened by it. I swear, when you start writing a fic about the end, you really realize how open and vague everything is. Kishimoto just let so much go.

 

Imo, it comes down to the premise on which Sasuke is redeemed. For canon Sasuke, I feel your points are correct. He's just an uncompelling repeat of Danzo with the reassurance that he'll do better for no other reason than the author saying so. For my idea of Sasuke though, he's not redeemed due to realizing that he's been "hurting for Naruto", or whatever the heck he meant in his homoerotic monologue. He's redeemed by realizing his willful solitude makes him weak, even with powers and advantages beyond Naruto's. Danzou chose his path because he was jealous of Saratobi. He never sought to learn what made Saratobi better. Same goes for Madara. Sasuke, however, is willing to accept the truth in the end and learns firsthand what's wrong with him. And so he'll still operate from the darkness, but from the perspective of what not to do. And with Karin, the rest of Taka and maybe Kakashi (still debating over that one in my head!), he'll have allies there to catch him when he stumbles (recall what Kakashi said to Obito). In other words, no different than Naruto.

 

Anyways, with all this talking, I've decided to go back to writing my fic! :yes:  Kishi has certainly given me a lot to clean up, which is why I'm going from 693 to 700. Honestly, I'd have to rewrite everything from the LOI arc and up if I wanted to fix most of the glaring problems I have with this series, but since the most grievous offenses are in the last eight chapters, I'll focus on those.

 

Agree about the fight! It is such a snooze fest! Most of it is pretty much too invincible cavemen pounding each other with clubs. No tactics/strategy. No showcasing of what the Rinnegan is truly capable of. What happened to that Meteor Madara ripped out of the sky? Naruto would've been in some real trouble if Sasuke did that!


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 06:47 PM

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 11:29 PM

Kishimoto's version of Sasuke...I can't see him actually getting much of a degrade in powers or really have to pay anything back for his redemption. It didn't seem like Kishi was interested in the redemption part of Sasuke's story, almost like we were simply supposed to accept from one action that Sasuke was sorry and wouldn't do it again. Really? The only time Sasuke did something for someone else was saving Naruto at the beginning of the manga. Every other action since then was a selfish one, and Kishi was fine leaving Sasuke just as selfish. He chose to wander, to be absent.

 

If there's anything I'd like to see for Sasuke, it'd be him actually learning how to live for others rather than forever living only for himself. I also think it would be interesting to see him lose his eye powers and have to work his butt off making a difference in the world without his hand-given god powers. He could become a disciple of hard work himself and maybe actually learn some humility. Basically, make it believable that Sasuke actually did change. After all, the entire story revolved around the fact that he needed to for Naruto to move on with his life as well. Kishi failed to show us that and instead expected us to just accept that it happened off screen somehow.

 

Since there was once a part of Sasuke that was willing to die for someone else (Naruto), somehow building off of that I think would help with his character.

 

I agree with this so much.


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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 02:15 AM

sasuke in god mode was evenly matched with naruto to in god mode. i like to imagine naruto as a hammer (raw power) and sasuke as a katana (efficiency).

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 12:21 AM

bend reality with his shiny new eyes..
cast a genjutsu on kishimoto when he draws him
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Posted 31 December 2014 - 03:43 AM

Makes a baby just by poking a forehead.

lol sorry tricksie. I heard you're a great writer and i would love to read your stories but maybe i need a few more months to recover.

Im looking forward to your story and to other narusaku fanfics as well because i havent really done that so far.

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 03:56 AM

he he xD

sasuke:Sakura I want to restore my clan
Sakura: And I should care about that... why?

*poke* *poke*

*Baby wails*

Sasuke:She will be called sarada.

*runs off to poke others*

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 04:41 AM

he he xD
sasuke:Sakura I want to restore my clan
Sakura: And I should care about that... why?
*poke* *poke*
*Baby wails*
Sasuke:She will be called sarada.
*runs off to poke others*


Lol
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