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Hello everybody, I've been here for a long time, but I'm sort of like a sleeper and "woke up" and started posting since last week. I de-lurked! I haven't introduced myself so I will now because I have enough post numbers to be an Academy student hahaha 

I'm megi, I work as a translator and research assistant at a college. 
What I research is language 'assimilation', how people learn language, how well they learn it, and "keep" that knowledge. It's very interesting! I have one dog, is name is Sushi!

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Inferno, I agree with your post!

I think cultural difference is one of the key elements and translation keeping everyone on their toes.

A lot of the discussion focus on things like pairing of characters too deeply. I know that this is forum board for people who like NaruSaku and like to talk about their connection in the chapters and I think that is fine, but sometimes there is a paranoia?

Since 632 is the most recent in discussion I want to use it as an example. It is only outside of Japan that I have seen so many people caught up with a "Sasuke-kun". It surprise me that it was the central discussion.

As for translation, sometimes it is hard to make things clearer when changing from Japanese to English. In English language and culture it is okay for something to be said straight forward, but in Japanese everything is said vaguely due to the culture. So in literal translations, it can be taken wrongly.

Shonen is of course geared to boys, but Shonen is also most popular type of manga, because it speaks well to all age groups!

I enjoy the manga, there are imperfections, but which story doesn't have some type of imperfection?

It's very fun to speculate! I like it when people have theories for it.

Yes, Sakura did not have this power at the beginning of part 2.

As for her irresponsibility of not using all of her chakra, I think it's been touched upon a few times.

Sakura is putting part of her chakra into the seal at all times.

Let's say 40/60 so that we have different numbers to look at . She can only use 40% of her chakra while the other 60% is being put into the seal. (these are not accurate numbers)

If she would have "released" the chakra or stopped the chakra building during the battle with Scorpion or during the Pein arc, she would still only have 40% to use at that time.  The theory is that she had to sacrifice a certain amount of her natural chakra reserve to make this seal. That 60% (or whatever amount) is being used solely for that.

For her to stop doing it at once doesn't mean that she can fully use 100% at once. Because she now has the seal, that is where all her stored chakra is. Before, she did not have the seal, and all that extra chakra wouldn't not be at her disposal to use.

My opinion is that she is near the level of Sasuke and Naruto. Her abilities are quite different than the others. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, and that's why I say they are on the same level. It's like the Sannin - they are not equal in every part of their stat, but their strengths balance each other out.

Hm. Is there is confusion when using "strength" as the literal translation?

 豪 part of the Kanji is pronounced "gou", and the English literal translation would be these:

• overpowering/powerful
• strength
• great (ample, distinguished)
• Australia! <-- we will not use this one

This Kanji "gou" does not mean physical strength. So for instance, it would not make sense for you to say "He is strong (physically)" using this Kanji. You would however, use this Kanji to say something like "He is strong spirited". You also use this kanji for saying someone is a great person. Inner strength I suppose?

Let me give you another example: in Japanese, to say someone is rich as in a millionaire , they are called 富豪 aka "fugou"

That literally means "strength of wealth", or the more easily translated "great wealth".

It can clearly be seen with Tsunade's technique, it does not have to do anything with her physical strength.

"Strength of 100" which increase her healing ability by 100 fold.

Ah, sorry for my long post! I wanted to say that Sakura's seal is probably not an "offensive" seal.

And to my last point, we don't know how different or similar Sakura's and Tsunade's seals and abilities are! 

Do the seals do different things for Sakura and Tsunade? Perhaps.

But Sakura's monstrous strength due to her using her chakra to fullest potential. I believe Tsunade does this too. They are the same in this respect.

I don't think this means that everything Sakura gains from her seal will be different from Tsunade. I don't even know what the difference is besides the name of it! I think she'll have a healing technique. She is the disciple of the 5th afterall! 

It is BYAKUGOU SEAL. Not a technique, it is a seal! 

In my reading of the chapter Kishi's trying to re-establish the triangle of Team 7 (love/unresolved feeling stuff is still a part of their dynamic) paralleled with the Sannin. Since part 1 it has always been Naruto vs Sasuke, with Sakura in the back unable to do much about it. When they fought seriously it has always been about Naruto and Sasuke's friendship. Of course Naruto wants to save Sasuke for Sakura as well but when they fight it is about themselves. In chapter 486, Naruto says that if they were to both fight against against each other, they both will die and the only person who can go up against Sasuke is himself. I truly believe this. They are now equal in strength and the strength of their feelings. It will be destructive on both sides no matter what. They won't let the other get a higher footing.

That is where Sakura comes in, the final piece of the triangle. Although I will say that Sakura has gone back and forth about this many times in the manga either to rely on Naruto to deal with Sasuke or to do it together. She tries actively to help Naruto and pursue Sasuke but she ends up "looking at their backs" each time. Now she doesn't. She has the power to stand by their sides and possibly the power to stop their destruction. She's not about to revert back to her old self now that she's grown this much.

I sort of see it like a bicycle with two wheels can't stand on it's own, it will always come crashing down. A tricycle doesn't have that problem. An uneven tricycle is pretty uncomfortable too.

Kishi is also establishing Sakura's pivotal role in the end fight with Naruto and Sasuke. It's definitely going to be important. Right now, the chapter entails that they are equal in this triangle (people can argue about the equality of their strengths). I actually like the interactions of the characters in this chapter, even Sasuke's. Yes I'm still really baffled by his turn in character and I'm looking forward to what is happening with him. 

As for Obito, Kakashi and Rin thing going on...I really hope it won't end up with Obito and Kakashi killing each other because that would be foreshadowing what might happen in the future with Sasuke and Naruto. I hope not, Kakashi is one of my favorites! 

Whew everyone got to it before me :) I do not blame the English translators, it's pretty smudged and tiny! Hurray we figured it out after a few agonizing days ( to me haha)

Sakura's seal is in fact Byakugou  and NOT HYAKUGOU

People keep on trying to compare Tsunade's and Sakura's Byakugous but they are unrelated.

Right now, the only connection between both of the Byakugous is the pronunciation.

Tsunade's is a technique.  STRENGTH OF 100 technique

Sakura's seal is  白豪の印　(BYAKUGOU NO IN) WHITE STRENGTH SEAL

Tsunade's seal is 陰封印 (INFUUIN) YIN SEAL

If we could see the color of the seal, it's possible that the seals are of different color

You cannot compare them. To the question as to what the differences between the two, for now it is everything but the pronunciation.

KANJI is different. I do not see why people are trying to compare Tsunade's ability to the abilities of Sakura's seal

However, I really want to look into why Kishi wanted to have Tsunade's attack be named Byakugou, and Sakura's also be Byakugou (different meanings)

Of course, if relating back to the Buddhist culture, pronunciation 白亳 BYAKUGOU is related to the Buddha. What's interesting is Sakura's is closer kanji-wise to that meaning.

A lot of people have said it so far I think, I can't remember who (Chatte? Atheck?) but it seems to be on a different level than the Yin Seal. Haha, I think it would be strange for Sakura to even KNOW Tsunade's Byakugou no Jutsu. I believe she harnesses something entirely different now. 

ramen is going somewhere with the color meaning. I mean it has WHITE in it's name! 

The seal does not give Sakura the ability of that monster strength but actually gives her the ability to create that strength.

So next we'll see the we-don't-know-yet no jutsu hahahaha!

I don't believe that her next move or all over move-set will be offensive as some say, I believe she has a healing technique up her sleeve (as well as offensive)

Let me copy and paste here what I have said!

百豪の術 This is Tsunade's technique translated as "Byakugou no Jutsu", the Strength of One Hundred Technique.

百 "hyaku" is 100, and but can sometimes also be translated as "byaku" (i know, confusing!). However for 百豪の術 it is definitely "Byakugou" 

This is a technique, which required her to use her Yin Seal. I believe that Tsunade's forehead diamond is the "Yin Seal".

陰封印 - "Infuuin" means Yin Seal literally "Shade Seal", representing the Yin's black.

白豪 の印 is what Shizune calls Sakura's Seal. It should be translated as "Byakugou no Shirushi"
印 is "in" or "shirushi" which means mark/seal

白豪 is definitely "Byakugou", which happens to be the same pronunciation as Tsunade's technique. It was translated as Hyakugou, for reasons I'm not sure. I have not seen the raw, but I can confirm that later. However, the work should definitely be pronounced "Byakugou"

白豪 is meaning "White Strength"

Edit: My mistake. The kanji means "White brush", or like Tsunade's technique, "White strength". The third eye stuff is allusion due to the placement of the seal, and the Kanji would be:　白毫

a Buddist term referring to a characteristic of Buddha, his "third eye". It's translated as "fine white hair" because it is thought that Buddha physically had a whorl of hair in the middle of his forehead. However, Byakugou just refers to the "mark" on the forehead, which is seen usually as a spiral, dot, jewel, always on the middle of the forehead. 

"B/Hyakugou" refers to Sakura's seal, not her technique. It happens to have the same pronunciation as Tsunade's. It might be an allusion because it looks like Sakura really does have the strength of one hundred haha, however, the Kanji is different!

Sakura has not released a technique, only formed a seal. It's safe to say there is more to come. Hope this helps!

It’s definitely possible that it would be spelled that way, which makes it very interesting to me because I’m not sure why it would be “Hyakugou”!

As for the response to what the furigana is in the raws scans 

It’s very possible that Kishimoto just wanted to use the same Kanji as the allusion to the forehead diamond, but use different sounds for the Kanji!

I believe the reason for the “H” sound coming around would be because when　白 (white, pronounced “shiro”), when it is used with another Kanji, it’s sound becomes “Haku” haku-something.

I understand if Kishi would use 白豪 as “hakugou”. 　はくごう

It would also separate it from Tsunade's technique and make it less confusing.

But I seriously do NOT understand it being “hyakugou” ひゃくごう

 

Maybe in the raw those kanjis had the furigana "ひゃくごう" ? For this reason Mangapanda and Mangastream written it as "Hyakugou" instead of "Byakugou".

It’s definitely possible that it would be spelled that way, which makes it very interesting to me because I’m not sure why it would be “Hyakugou”!

It’s very possible that Kishimoto just wanted to use the same Kanji as the allusion to the forehead diamond, but use different sounds for the Kanji!

I believe the reason for the “H” sound coming around would be because when　白 (white, pronounced “shiro”), when it is used with another Kanji, it’s sound becomes “Haku” haku-something.

I understand if Kishi would use 白豪 as “hakugou”. 　はくごう

It would also separate it from Tsunade's technique and make it less confusing.

But I seriously do NOT understand it being “hyakugou” ひゃくごう

So I guess in the end we need the raws?!

At least I am right when I say Sakura's one is a seal while Tsunade's is a technique but GOD this is confusing!

 

Can we do a separate thread for this misconfusion so I don't have to look everywhere in this forum? I need to understand something about Sakura and the information from you guys would be VERY helpful.

Thanks in advance!

Of course! I wouldn't know where to put it though.

Hi guys, I've been around just not posted much. I posted an explanation of the Japanese Kanji some pages back but there still seems to be some confusion. (It's even hard for Japanese sometimes!) 

百豪の術 This is Tsunade's technique translated as "Byakugou no Jutsu", the Strength of One Hundred Technique.

百 "hyaku" is 100, and but can sometimes also be translated as "byaku" (i know, confusing!). However for 百豪の術 it is definitely "Byakugou" 

This is a technique, which required her to use her Yin Seal. I believe that Tsunade's forehead diamond is the "Yin Seal".

陰封印 - "Infuuin" means Yin Seal literally "Shade Seal", representing the Yin's black.

白豪 の印 is what Shizune calls Sakura's Seal. It should be translated as "Byakugou no Shirushi"
印 is "in" or "shirushi" which means mark/seal

白豪 is definitely "Byakugou", which happens to be the same pronunciation as Tsunade's technique. It was translated as Hyakugou, for reasons I'm not sure. I have not seen the raw, but I can confirm that later. However, the work should definitely be pronounced "Byakugou"

白豪 is a Buddist term referring to a characteristic of Buddha, his "third eye". It's translated as "fine white hair" because it is thought that Buddha physically had a whorl of hair in the middle of his forehead. However, Byakugou just refers to the "mark" on the forehead, which is seen usually as a spiral, dot, jewel, always on the middle of the forehead. 

Edit: It is not a buddhist term (sorry the Kanji is different) but it does mean "White Brush" or "White Strength". It is an allusion to the Buddha third eye.

"Byakugou" refers to Sakura's seal, not her technique. It happens to have the same pronunciation as Tsunade's. It might be an allusion because it looks like Sakura really does have the strength of one hundred haha, however, the Kanji is different!

Sakura has not released a technique, only formed a seal. It's safe to say there is more to come. Hope this helps!