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[Bail o' Lies]

After chapter 700 the end there was a special volume called Gaiden where the plot of it and I'm not kidding, was "Who's the mommy".

For 10 chapters readers were led to believe that Salad was indeed Karin's daughter, there was even a DNA test to tell the reader that, only to reveal at the very end that it's actually Sakura who's the mother but still she isn't really. It was so poorly done.

They did a test on Salad and the umbilical cord that was with Karin the whole time, the test showed it's a match. And then at the end they said that Sakura gave Karin that cord because some reason that I can't recall. It's just stupid.

It even got to the point Naruto believed that Salad wasn't Sakura's kid and even gave a speech to her about how "bonds were more important then blood."

 

Honestly, like I said before the gaiden really comes off as Salad deciding her blood parents don't matter because she decided Naruto and Sakura were her parents due to being her role models. She immediately decided that she wanted to be the next hokage, and by the time of the chunin exam she proudly stated she wanted to be the exact opposite of Sasuke.

That's legitimately funny. Sounds like someone watched too much Maury and made a manga volume out of it. How the hell did they get ten chapters out of that? Because I'm pretty sure the plot could be ended within ten pages by sitting both women down and asking which one of them had a kid. Or, hell, just one of them, even. Who needs both? We're not talking about men here. I'm pretty sure they'd remember giving birth to a kid.

 

Also. Also. Is hanging on to umbilical cords a thing and I just don't know about it?

It was originally suppose to be a one shot but Kishimoto heard the claim that he was some sort of sexist. So to try and prove he was not; he extended it to ten chapters.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 16 December 2018 - 07:13 AM.

[dl316bh]

It was originally suppose to be a one shot but Kishimoto heard the claim that he was some sort of sexist. So to try and prove he was not; he extended it to ten chapters.

 

A ten chapter side story about how no one knows who gave birth to a kid without a DNA test seems like an odd way to try and disprove that, gotta say.

[KClaws_2]

So. Uhh. I didn't bring this up before, but... Salad. They really named a character that? Seriously?

From what I heard, when coming up names, Kishimoto claimed he was hungry.

Boruto here has also been called Buritto to make them match.

 

 

I missed a lot of things dude. But those are pretty stupid reasons. Was that implied, though? That Sarada was supposed to be Sasuke and Karins kid originally? Or is that just speculation based on her appearance?

 

 

That's the first thing that comes to mind for me. A kid holding the parents together does not imply a healthy marriage, as if everything else didn't already do that. Which makes it doubly sad. He seems to hang around because of the kid, but isn't even a good father.

 

I said it before, but dude turned out to be someone I thought he wasn't.

There is a theory some believe that Boruto was originally supposed to be a NaruSaku child and Sarada a SasuKar child, and for some reason Kishimoto changed their parentage at the last second.

 

With Boruto, his hair was shaped like a flower, and his jacket has PINK highlights. 

 

With Sarada, well I guess the Gaiden pretty much speaks for itself.

 

Some clarification on the Gaiden, Suigestsu THOUGHT the umbilical cord was Karin's, and when comparing it to Sarada's saliva, got a match. However, as Karin explained, the umbilical cord was Sarada's to begin with, Both she and Sakura traveled together looking for Sasuke when Sakura was pregnant with their child, and at some point Sakura went into labor during this search. Karin delivered the baby, and Sakura let her keep the cord (again, despite it being the custom the mother keeps the cord). Karin also gives Sakura some glasses for Sarada...how she knew Sarada would need corrective lenses growing up...same answer as that Tootsie Pop question.

 

Either way, I don't really need to "prove" Karin is Sarada's mother. At the end of the day, Sakura and Sasuke's relationship is kitten, Sasuke's a kitten husband and father, and the fact that this was a plot considered for a shonen obvioius is pure dog kitten (heh, that's actualy kinda funny). So it's still a no-go for SasuKar shippers in the end.

 

So...they're TIMING their dates? What the hell can you do with two and a half minutes? It wouldn't surprise me if Sasuke is not only fast in the battlefield.

[James S Cassidy]

From what I heard, when coming up names, Kishimoto claimed he was hungry.

Boruto here has also been called Buritto to make them match.

 

There is a theory some believe that Boruto was originally supposed to be a NaruSaku child and Sarada a SasuKar child, and for some reason Kishimoto changed their parentage at the last second.

 

With Boruto, his hair was shaped like a flower, and his jacket has PINK highlights. 

 

With Sarada, well I guess the Gaiden pretty much speaks for itself.

 

Some clarification on the Gaiden, Suigestsu THOUGHT the umbilical cord was Karin's, and when comparing it to Sarada's saliva, got a match. However, as Karin explained, the umbilical cord was Sarada's to begin with, Both she and Sakura traveled together looking for Sasuke when Sakura was pregnant with their child, and at some point Sakura went into labor during this search. Karin delivered the baby, and Sakura let her keep the cord (again, despite it being the custom the mother keeps the cord). Karin also gives Sakura some glasses for Sarada...how she knew Sarada would need corrective lenses growing up...same answer as that Tootsie Pop question.

 

Either way, I don't really need to "prove" Karin is Sarada's mother. At the end of the day, Sakura and Sasuke's relationship is kitten, Sasuke's a kitten husband and father, and the fact that this was a plot considered for a shonen obvioius is pure dog kitten (heh, that's actualy kinda funny). So it's still a no-go for SasuKar shippers in the end.

 

So...they're TIMING their dates? What the hell can you do with two and a half minutes? It wouldn't surprise me if Sasuke is not only fast in the battlefield.

That story is still so...fake.

It really does sound like a story made-up to cover up the fact that Karin is really Salad's mother and all of this happened with not one person knowing this was occurring. Not one. Not Ino. Not even Naruto. No one saw Sakura leave. Noone even questioned it.

Naruto was so perplexed and was angry at Suigetsu for revealing the truth.

So we are to be believed that Sasuke and Sakura are married and have a kid when...
1. Sasuke has never been in the village long enough and has been away for over 15 years.
2. Sakura has no ring or marriage proof such as photographs anywhere. NH at least had these.
3. Salad wearing Karin's glasses and needing them is a total coincidence. She is an Uchiha.
4. Karin and Sakura are supposedly "best friends."
5. Karin had to give Sakura a picture of Sasuke for her to have a picture at all.
6. When asked by Salad to Sakura whether she had relations at all with Sasuke....she is dumbfounded and blank. She has no memories of being with Sasuke other than a forehead poke and constantly gets angry or upset when prodded for information.
7. Sasuke cannot kiss or even hug his wife and you want me to believe they had sex? Sakura asks Sasuke for a kiss and he turns his back.

Like, even for a simple shounen, this is really bad. They could have just made it simple...Occam's razor...but no, SS is way too complicated to be a thing. They want me to believe that they are married, but have no proof of their marriage.

The story of Salad's birth is even more complicated. She has no birth certificate and the only concept of what happened is from two women who lie non-stop about how good everything is. They want me to believe that Sakura, while pregnant, went to go see Karin who was hiding in one of Orochimaru's lairs, asked Karin to help her find Sasuke to which they failed, went missing for 9 months with not one person knowing not even Naruto who can sense people, gave birth on the road with a women who has no medical knowledge what so ever, and then came back into the village with a baby in hand. Again, no one knows anything, and Sakura did not even file a birth certificate.

So what is easier to believe? This story or perhaps that Karin was pregnant with Salad, went to Sakura who she knew was a medical ninja, asked Sakura for help finding Sasuke and didn't. Gave birth out in the open and knew that Orochimaru may want to experiment with the kid. (We know he is still doing child experiments.) Gave it to Sakura with her glasses so Salad would have at least have something to remember her by and Sakura gave Karin the umbilical cord.

I go with the later that the former.

He attac
He attac
But most important of all He never comin back

Edited by James S Cassidy, 16 December 2018 - 06:30 PM.

[Nostradamus]

It even got to the point Naruto believed that Salad wasn't Sakura's kid and even gave a speech to her about how "bonds were more important then blood."

 

Yeah I forgot about that part. Like James said, it really sounds like it's a cover up in lore.

Honestly I've always viewed Gaiden as Kishi's poor attempt not to convince the fans of SS and to tell the readers that Salad is Sakura's daughter, but to tell us that this wasn't suppose to happen and just so you know this character that looks Karin and acts like Karin is what he wanted to do because she is Karin's daughter or more accurately was created as such, but in the end he couldn't do that.

Like the chapter called The Real Ending, I view this one as a hint from him.    

[Bail o' Lies]

Well look on TV tropes again. turns out they claim Salad got her hair style from Sakura's mother Mebuki.

[James S Cassidy]

Well look on TV tropes again. turns out they claim Salad got her hair style from Sakura's mother Mebuki.

ProEnders: "Just because Salad wears Karin's glasses and acts like her does not mean it is her kid."

ProEnders: "Minato was wrong, Sakura is nothing like Kushina even if they share similar traits."

Also ProEnders: "Sakura's mom and Salad have slightly similar hairstyles. They are totally mother and daughter."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 December 2018 - 07:40 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

ProEnders: "Just because Salad wears Karin's glasses and acts like her does not mean it is her kid."

ProEnders: "Minato was wrong, Sakura is nothing like Kushina even if they share similar traits."

Also ProEnders: "Sakura's mom and Salad have slightly similar hairstyles. They are totally mother and daughter."

 

Pretty much, man, they just could give a damn about consistency, and constantly try to tell US how we're wrong and they're right, only to show how pathetically desperate they are. They're just stalling because they're not quick OR smart enough to look at the evidence in front of them because they just wanna live in their rich fantasy lives, free of thought and free of actual realization!

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Yeah I forgot about that part. Like James said, it really sounds like it's a cover up in lore.

Honestly I've always viewed Gaiden as Kishi's poor attempt not to convince the fans of SS and to tell the readers that Salad is Sakura's daughter, but to tell us that this wasn't suppose to happen and just so you know this character that looks Karin and acts like Karin is what he wanted to do because she is Karin's daughter or more accurately was created as such, but in the end he couldn't do that.

Like the chapter called The Real Ending, I view this one as a hint from him.    

It did feel like, at certain points since the last bit of the Pein Arc, Kishi was trying to send "subliminal" messages about what was supposed to happen, but not. Still showing more NS moments while Hinatatas is still stuffed in the background and nothing involving her ever being revisited, the CPR scene (and mirroring Naruto/Sakura to Sasuke/Karin) compared to the tripping, and so on,

[sushi.]

ProEnders: "Just because Salad wears Karin's glasses and acts like her does not mean it is her kid."

ProEnders: "Minato was wrong, Sakura is nothing like Kushina even if they share similar traits."

Also ProEnders: "Sakura's mom and Salad have slightly similar hairstyles. They are totally mother and daughter."

Also proenders: Naruto and Sakura are both like Kushina so Narusaku is like Kushikushi

 

Also proenders; Hinata is like Kushina because they both love him

 

Also proenders: Naruto is Kushina cus they're hyperactive and Hinata is Minato cus they're both calm

 

[James S Cassidy]

Also proenders: Naruto and Sakura are both like Kushina so Narusaku is like Kushikushi

 

Also proenders; Hinata is like Kushina because they both love him

 

Also proenders: Naruto is Kushina cus they're hyperactive and Hinata is Minato cus they're both calm

 

Also Proenders: "Hinata is like Kushina cause they both have long hair."

Also proenders: "Parallels don't mean anything."

[Yyubie]

@sushi

Can you imagine Minato knitting scarf ?

[Phantom_999]

Also Proenders: "Hinata is like Kushina cause they both have long hair."

Also proenders: "Parallels don't mean anything."

 
Proenders: Parallels don't mean anything. Except for when WE SAY THEY DO.   double standards, thou art a mindless b**ch  

Edited by Phantom_999, 18 December 2018 - 02:15 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 
Proenders: Parallels don't mean anything. Except for when WE SAY THEY DO.   double standards thou art a mindless b**ch  

Me: Throws a NaruHina party saying I will have a 100 life sized Hinata dolls that they can keep, them I leave the building and send them all into the deepest parts of outer space. 😎😎😎

Edited by TheFirstEvil100, 18 December 2018 - 02:03 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Btw everyone I have something to say on the whole “Naruto is not a romance manga argument”. Read my last comment on the Boruto chapter 29 thread

[James S Cassidy]

So I am watching Chivalry of a Failed Knight and I realized a very interesting detail about the series. It is not a harem and the main pairing gets together almost immediately. The issues they face is not the drama of whether or not they get together, but rather real relationship problems. Problems that actually cause or can cause rifts.

Ikki and Stella become a couple around I think episode 4. (Going by the anime not the manga or light novels just so you know.)
In episode 5, they talk about how they never went on a date in 2 weeks despite being together and this causes a strain leading Stella to believe that Ikki doesn't really care or she is too slow...many things that go through her mind. Ikki tries to explain and she jumps the gun, as people do, and they have a small fight. She asks Ikki why he doesn't seem interested if he truly loves her and he says that he is very interested, but did not want to come off as rude or for her to think he only sees her as a sex object. (Funny enough, she basically says that she kind of likes it if he perverts over her citing that that is what real couples do to show affection sometimes.)

Now Stella is a tsundere, but she is more mellow.

The reason I bring this up is because this is what NH and SS SHOULD be doing if they want to make these couples believable, but they don't. Hinata and Sakura are too subservient where they will complain in private maybe, but in person they say nothing.So no problems get solved and the men think mostly everything is okay....at least until their kids speak up to which their mothers tell them to basically shut up and don't question.

In essense, Hinata and Sakura are trying to tell their kids not to question and just accept their father's behavior regardless if it is right or wrong. They want their kids to be just as subservient as they are and it is really sad. Their "love" is so toxic and more infatuation that Sasuke and Naruto can do no wrong.

Yet here, Ikki and Stella talk to each other like a real couple would and face problems like real couples would. This is how we view NS being. Sakura would love Naruto, but wouldn't tolerate bad behavior and knock some sense into him.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

So I am watching Chivalry of a Failed Knight and I realized a very interesting detail about the series. It is not a harem and the main pairing gets together almost immediately. The issues they face is not the drama of whether or not they get together, but rather real relationship problems. Problems that actually cause or can cause rifts.

Ikki and Stella become a couple around I think episode 4. (Going by the anime not the manga or light novels just so you know.)
In episode 5, they talk about how they never went on a date in 2 weeks despite being together and this causes a strain leading Stella to believe that Ikki doesn't really care or she is too slow...many things that go through her mind. Ikki tries to explain and she jumps the gun, as people do, and they have a small fight. She asks Ikki why he doesn't seem interested if he truly loves her and he says that he is very interested, but did not want to come off as rude or for her to think he only sees her as a sex object. (Funny enough, she basically says that she kind of likes it if he perverts over her citing that that is what real couples do to show affection sometimes.)

Now Stella is a tsundere, but she is more mellow.

The reason I bring this up is because this is what NH and SS SHOULD be doing if they want to make these couples believable, but they don't. Hinata and Sakura are too subservient where they will complain in private maybe, but in person they say nothing.So no problems get solved and the men think mostly everything is okay....at least until their kids speak up to which their mothers tell them to basically shut up and don't question.

In essense, Hinata and Sakura are trying to tell their kids not to question and just accept their father's behavior regardless if it is right or wrong. They want their kids to be just as subservient as they are and it is really sad. Their "love" is so toxic and more infatuation that Sasuke and Naruto can do no wrong.

Yet here, Ikki and Stella talk to each other like a real couple would and face problems like real couples would. This is how we view NS being. Sakura would love Naruto, but wouldn't tolerate bad behavior and knock some sense into him.

This is why the series stood out so much for me similar to Mashiro-iro Symphony several years ago (harem genre, but the MC actually does get together with a girl, not even the "default" / "cover" girl, about halfway through) - they didn't try to be coy or "open" with the relationship but actually made them seem realistic whereas the competitor series from that season, Gakusen Toushi Asterisk / The Asterisk War, is pretty much a by the books harem series.

Funny thing is that they start out very similar with the male MCs ending up fighting the main female over a misunderstanding, but the male MCs are already complete opposites in terms of the narrative; Ayato (Asterisk MC) is already the strongest and is pretty much Kirito while Ikki is labeled as "the weakest" and had to work his butt off to get to where he is due to his lack of magic power.

[Phantom_999]

So I am watching Chivalry of a Failed Knight and I realized a very interesting detail about the series. It is not a harem and the main pairing gets together almost immediately. The issues they face is not the drama of whether or not they get together, but rather real relationship problems. Problems that actually cause or can cause rifts.

Ikki and Stella become a couple around I think episode 4. (Going by the anime not the manga or light novels just so you know.)
In episode 5, they talk about how they never went on a date in 2 weeks despite being together and this causes a strain leading Stella to believe that Ikki doesn't really care or she is too slow...many things that go through her mind. Ikki tries to explain and she jumps the gun, as people do, and they have a small fight. She asks Ikki why he doesn't seem interested if he truly loves her and he says that he is very interested, but did not want to come off as rude or for her to think he only sees her as a sex object. (Funny enough, she basically says that she kind of likes it if he perverts over her citing that that is what real couples do to show affection sometimes.)

Now Stella is a tsundere, but she is more mellow.

The reason I bring this up is because this is what NH and SS SHOULD be doing if they want to make these couples believable, but they don't. Hinata and Sakura are too subservient where they will complain in private maybe, but in person they say nothing.So no problems get solved and the men think mostly everything is okay....at least until their kids speak up to which their mothers tell them to basically shut up and don't question.

In essense, Hinata and Sakura are trying to tell their kids not to question and just accept their father's behavior regardless if it is right or wrong. They want their kids to be just as subservient as they are and it is really sad. Their "love" is so toxic and more infatuation that Sasuke and Naruto can do no wrong.

Yet here, Ikki and Stella talk to each other like a real couple would and face problems like real couples would. This is how we view NS being. Sakura would love Naruto, but wouldn't tolerate bad behavior and knock some sense into him.

 

Equal relationships NH and SS are not. NO ONE thinks they are good or even believable couples, except for their fanatics 

Edited by Phantom_999, 21 December 2018 - 12:21 AM.

[dl316bh]

This is why the series stood out so much for me similar to Mashiro-iro Symphony several years ago (harem genre, but the MC actually does get together with a girl, not even the "default" / "cover" girl, about halfway through) - they didn't try to be coy or "open" with the relationship but actually made them seem realistic whereas the competitor series from that season, Gakusen Toushi Asterisk / The Asterisk War, is pretty much a by the books harem series.

 

It was actually kind of refreshing to see that. Most series, overseas or here, are all about the lead-up, making it a good change of pace when they cut the bulls***. I liked it quite a bit. But maaaaan, I almost didn't finish it. Episode two was rooooooough with the sister shenanigans. From what I understand, that was changed from the original work, too; I've read that apparently he reacted with more disgust and pointing out it wasn't cool. The actual show he's just brushing it off like it's a friendly greeting, like she didn't stick her tongue down his throat in front of everyone. Cringe as hell. Glad I held out though.

 

Funny thing is that they start out very similar with the male MCs ending up fighting the main female over a misunderstanding, but the male MCs are already complete opposites in terms of the narrative; Ayato (Asterisk MC) is already the strongest and is pretty much Kirito while Ikki is labeled as "the weakest" and had to work his butt off to get to where he is due to his lack of magic power.

 

Both were strikingly similar, yeah. Asterisk and and Chivalry came out in a weird year or two where it seemed like there were a lot of "tournament anime". I think there were a couple others like Irregular at Magic High and the like (though it seemed like that one got it out of the way quick, I dunno, I ducked out of it before I got too far so I don't know if it picked up again). Trends come and go, I guess.

 

Speaking of Irregular... don't ever watch that, for your sanity.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

It was actually kind of refreshing to see that. Most series, overseas or here, are all about the lead-up, making it a good change of pace when they cut the bulls***. I liked it quite a bit. But maaaaan, I almost didn't finish it. Episode two was rooooooough with the sister shenanigans. From what I understand, that was changed from the original work, too; I've read that apparently he reacted with more disgust and pointing out it wasn't cool. The actual show he's just brushing it off like it's a friendly greeting, like she didn't stick her tongue down his throat in front of everyone. Cringe as hell. Glad I held out though.

 

 

Both were strikingly similar, yeah. Asterisk and and Chivalry came out in a weird year or two where it seemed like there were a lot of "tournament anime". I think there were a couple others like Irregular at Magic High and the like (though it seemed like that one got it out of the way quick, I dunno, I ducked out of it before I got too far so I don't know if it picked up again). Trends come and go, I guess.

 

Speaking of Irregular... don't ever watch that, for your sanity.

I only got up to around episode 7 of Irregular before dropping it when it first came out...it wasn't quite as bad (though it did get bad, lol) as it was boring though. It's something that is much more suited to its LN self because of all the magical techno-jargon there is to explain just why Tatsuya is able to seem so broken in spite of everything; too much for the anime to adapt without stretching the series out to 50 episodes just to fit in the explaining. Sadly, the anime went the other way where they explain not even the bare minimum of stuff so Tatsuya comes off as a broken Gary Stu who conveniently pulls everything out the rear.