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#21 Phantom_999

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 10:59 PM

Eh, it's simple. convince people to not watch it


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:45 AM

That moment you realize Boruto made twice as much as Road to Ninja and even the Last did better despite its piss poor reception and supposedly flopping

 

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:49 AM

@dexter
The last and burito movie is not financially flop in japan.

Edited by rocci, 03 December 2015 - 12:49 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 01:50 AM

That moment you realize Boruto made twice as much as Road to Ninja and even the Last did better despite its piss poor reception and supposedly flopping
 
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should have photo shopped Lois holding a Burrito dvd :hehehe:
 

@dexter
The last and burito movie is not financially flop in japan.


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:35 AM

@phantom
The franchise will not dead. It's still popular.

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:38 AM

That moment you realize Boruto made twice as much as Road to Ninja and even the Last did better despite its piss poor reception and supposedly flopping

 

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Well internationally, RTN dominates both the films.


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 10:20 AM

thematically, and in story and characterization too. not to mention no filler character was added in it. and it doesnt even have the best animation for a movie either. just goes to show.



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 01:16 PM

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The last and burito movie is not financially flop in japan.

That is most certainly not true.....The last only barely reached the absolute minimum of the BO it needed. It would need to make more to be considered a success...yes it was most certainly a flop

 

 

@phantom
The franchise will not dead. It's still popular.

 

60% decline in sales in Japan....its making even less money here now (only 1/10th of what it used to make theater wise)

 

kitten out of here with that negative nancy kitten.


Edited by Dexter, 03 December 2015 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 01:35 PM

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So that mean Rtn is a flop too?

The manga sell is do good.

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 01:41 PM

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So that mean Rtn is a flop too?

The manga sell is do good.

wrong again buttercup. Gaiden dropped down to below the Top 50 by teh 3rd chapter. The final volume was among the lowest sales results the series ever had.



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 01:51 PM

wrong again buttercup. Gaiden dropped down to below the Top 50 by teh 3rd chapter. The final volume was among the lowest sales results the series ever had.

Gaiden is a spinoff who sell a million copy. It's not a failure.
What's this top 50?

Final volume isn't a failure. Just because it doesn't sell for two million doesn't make it failed in the selling department.

Edited by rocci, 03 December 2015 - 01:54 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 01:56 PM

Gaiden is a spinoff who sell a million copy. It's not a failure.
What's this top 50?

Final volume isn't a failure. Just because it doesn't sell for two million doesn't make it failed in the selling department.

That's pretty bad by Naruto standards. And Top 50 is the selling manga at the time....

 

yes they are both major failures.



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:05 PM

That's pretty bad by Naruto standards. And Top 50 is the selling manga at the time....
 
yes they are both major failures.

Bad is when naruto final volume sell only 500 thousand. That's bad, really bad. And it will be worst if it only sell for 200 thousand, that's total failure. But it doesn't happen in reality.

I think I know where you got that top 50. She's wrong.
Individual chapter doesn't sell. Only the volume count and it's sell for a million.
Oh and gaiden doesn't get ranking in the wsj because it's a spinoff.

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:08 PM

Bad is when naruto final volume sell only 500 thousand. That's bad, really bad. And it will be worst if it only sell for 200 thousand, that's total failure. But it doesn't happen in reality.

I think I know where you got that top 50. She's wrong.
Individual chapter doesn't sell. Only the volume count and it's sell for a million.
Oh and gaiden doesn't get ranking in the wsj because it's a spinoff.

Clearly you don't know how sales work

 

and no it was for the Gaiden. It does get a ranking for the volume because it's part of wsj



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:20 PM

Clearly you don't know how sales work
 
and no it was for the Gaiden. It does get a ranking for the volume because it's part of wsj

Doesn't make naruto manga sell bad or the like of ft, bleach, and any manga who "only" sell less than 1 million a flop.

No, it doesn't. Wsj doesn't have 50 manga serialize at the same time in the weekly shonen jump magazine.
Individual chapter doesn't get ranking. That's why I ask you what is this top 50.
What I know is naruto doesn't make in top 50 manga sell after three week if I'm not mistaken.

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:23 PM

Doesn't make naruto manga sell bad or the like of ft, bleach, and any manga who "only" sell less than 1 million a flop.

No, it doesn't. Wsj doesn't have 50 manga serialize at the same time in the weekly shonen jump magazine.
Individual chapter doesn't get ranking. That's why I ask you what is this top 50.
What I know is naruto doesn't make in top 50 manga sell after three week if I'm not mistaken.

For the final volume....that's really, really bad especially for a series as popular as Naruto...

 

Again you'd be wrong. Sales have decreased dramatically by the third week and hate to say it but there really is nothing you can do about it. I could've sworn we've been over this the past couple of years rocci but until someone with credit brings a decent argument (ie anyone but you) then it would be worth bringing up until then at the very least its atleast adorable you think your misguided and incorrect "facts" are worth more than a urine stain on the floor of a 7/11



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:40 PM

@dexter
It may not live to the expectation, but I will not call it bad in term of volume sales.

Gaiden indeed get decline in the third week to the point it doesn't make in top 5. But it's not a bad thing when a spin off about who's the mother sell for a million or 800 thousand for three weeks. It show that naruto is still popular enough to make a spin off sell.

Now if you said third week instead of third chapter, I can agree with that.
I'm sorry if I have bad argument since English isn't my first languange and I don't really like debate.

Edited by rocci, 03 December 2015 - 02:42 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:45 PM

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It may not live to the expectation, but I will call it bad in term of volume sales.

Gaiden indeed get decline in the third week to the point it doesn't make in top 5. But it's not a bad thing when a spin off about who's the mother sell for a million or 800 thousand for three weeks. It show that naruto is still popular enough to make a spin off sell.

Now if you said third week instead of third chapter, I can agree with that.
I'm sorry if I have bad argument since English isn't my first languange and I don't really like debate.

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No you see it's actually really really bad. A series as popular as NAruto and the final volume should be the highest selling point a series should ever have...here its among its worst and had it lose most of its fanbase

 

third chapter=third week. Also it was because of the mother situation that it even sold at all. People were hopeful for the pairings to be different only for Kishi to say that Salad is a test tube baby. Saying NAruto is supremely popular among fans when movie sales are less than 1/10th here than they were before is completely retarded. 



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 04:19 PM

Rocci, when you factor in the R & D, in example paying Salaries of the staff to paying for the printers to print the novels

50K to 80k Salaries to pay the staff, which is about 300 hundred people. 15 million

Cost of Animation: 14 million based on the quality of the Last and Buroto movies

Printing and other expenses probably a million yen to 2 million yen exporting things outside and inside cost money.

Advertising: 2 million yen

Let's say about, 1 million dollars in royalties and it will depend on the contract Kishimoto has with SJ.

I would say about 39 million in retrospect and 659,000 is not breaking even.
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Posted 03 December 2015 - 06:53 PM

@rocci Let me tell you something. I know you want to say Naruto is still popular (and that's true on some degree) and it's profitable. But the truth is it's not really. Neither you or I know exactly how much they actually spend on making the movies, the manga, ads, paying everyone who worked, paying Kishi, etc. since they haven't told us that information.

However that being said you seem focused on those numbers that were given to us and keep saying that it's profitable and popular.

Well it's not. While we can't say 100% how big their budget for everything was, we can safely assume how profitable it really was due to us knowing how that industry works based on other information.

 

Let me give you an example. In America the minimum amount of money allocated by a studio for advertising a movie is around 15 million dollars. With some movies going up to 100 and with each year it's going up. You can believe me or not I don't really care, you have the internet at your fingertips and you can find out how everything works by yourself.

Now since Naruto is an anime, I'm going to be very generous here and say that for the burrito movie the studio payed just 2 million just for ads. And that includes all forms of ads. TV commercials, cinema commercials, radio, posters, internet everything just in America.

How much did the burrito movie made? Around 700000, right? Well that's not even half of what they payed for the ads (and that's with me being very generous and saying they just spend 2 million).

 

When you factor in that combined with everything else (like the salaries, the royalties, the animation cost, etc) you're going to realize that it's not as profitable as you say it is or as they say it is. You have to learn to ignore the sensational titles given to articles these days like "Due to its success the burrito movie is coming back", you have to learn to ignore that and learn how much these things cost in order to produce them and how much they made. Basically you have to look at the numbers and think about them. Not just look at high numbers and say "Yes it's a success".

 

The taco movie is not coming back because it was a success, it's coming back because it was a failure at the box office.


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