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#2501 Yyubie

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 04:09 PM

In my opinion whenever japanese people trying to cater to western fan , 90% of a time they will ended up with failure. I saw this in anime and video game industries , especially video game industries. I think there's a fine line between making money base on what people/customers wants , or making money base on what you passionate about. In Naruto case i think it start off as passion and love of manga , from a man who love reading manga and aim to be come a mangaka Kishimoto start his story. But as time pass things become different , it's no longer become what he love and passionate about , it starting to become what is the fans wants??. It's like when you late the train will leave , the train will never wait for you and you are the one that have to wake up early and catch the train. But the rule change into , no matter how much you overslept or late the train will always be there to wait for you , isn't that ridiculous?.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 05:34 PM

People are talking about the US NH fanbase and they a majority for what we seen in the fanbase, but two things. 1. Kishimoto made a comment that he didn't know about the pairing debates and the passion behind them until much later and 2. they supposedly made a decision based off two youtube videos by obviously bias NH fans. (Aka Sawyer.) They took one, maybe two opinion's and said "Oh this is what the fandom must want." Yet, when I see the Naruto fanbase as a whole only in America is NH the predominate pairing choice. Everywhere else (Japan, Europe, Spanish countries, and so many more,) the Naruto fandom there were more NS and hated Hinata's character. So why did America's opinion of it all outweigh the rest of the world? Kishimoto even said in the SP crew they wer eeven split down the middle with one side wanting NS and the other wanting NH.

My theory? NH fans were just in higher positions to make decisions. If all your workers are NS fans, but your boss is a NH fan...you are probably going to listen to what your boss tells you. That's why I see them using the "because the majority fanbase was NH" as an excuse because they talked about it like saying "We saw two videos and this is how we knew NH was the most popular," but look at Shonen Jumps polls in Japan and you see that Hinata and NH are not even in the top ten most popular and quite the opposite they are in the top ten couples they hate. (with SS too.) How could they ignore this info? If they truly were listening to the fans, how did they ignore this most obvious fan reaction?

It just seems fishy to me. If they truly listened to the fans, NS was globally more popular than NH and SS and SNS was WAAAAY more popular than even that, but sense they couldn't really do SNS....might as well went with the second best.

This is all I am saying.

If I typed NS in google and saw like 8 million hits and then I typed in NH and only saw 4 million hits...I think it would be a more accurate indicator than just going by one or two bias youtube videos.
 

Boruto episode 62 "The Otsutsuki Invasion"

Momoshiki, Kinshiki and Urashiki of the Otsutsuki Clan suddenly appear in the arena filled with spectators. Using his Scientific Ninja Tool, Boruto hurls jutsu after jutsu to no avail against Momoshiki, who is targeting Naruto. Meanwhile, Urashiki is curious about Mitsuki's strange power and goes after him, but he is confronted by Gaara along with the Mizukage Chojuro. Naruto and the other ninja do all they can to protect the citizens, and for the first time, Boruto witnesses the magnitude of his father's power in real combat.

 

So in the end he use the cheating device to attack the stupidsuki clan. "for the first time, Boruto witnesses the magnitude of his father's power in real combat" ... :lmao: :lmao:

So they changed it where Boruto doesn't use the cheating device in the actual exam and just against a real enemy? Wow, that is almost completely changing Kishi's work.

There is your difference, Bail, Kishi makes Boruto into an uneducated, but potentially powerful ninja who originally cheats to get his way, while Kodachi/SP makes Boruto into a gary stu who can do no wrong.

 


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 01:11 AM

There is your difference, Bail, Kishi makes Boruto into an uneducated, but potentially powerful ninja who originally cheats to get his way, while Kodachi/SP makes Boruto into a gary stu who can do no wrong.

 

Oh, god dammit... X_X Studio Pierrot and Kodachi are so stupid!  :wallbash: And it shows what a big mistake Kishi made trusting them to "continue" his work.



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Posted 15 June 2018 - 01:29 AM

Oh, god dammit... X_X Studio Pierrot and Kodachi are so stupid!  :wallbash: And it shows what a big mistake Kishi made trusting them to "continue" his work.


Ya cause gary and Mary stu characters are always like and make great main characters not. I'm sure I'm wrong that feel free to correct me on where it worked.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:55 AM

Ya cause gary and Mary stu characters are always like and make great main characters not. I'm sure I'm wrong that feel free to correct me on where it worked.

Some Gary Stu and Mary Stu characters can be great main characters. Most do not because they are written so weirdly that they are like a fored Mary Su.
Ainz from Overlord is good.
Saitama from OPM obviously.
Usui from Maid-Sama was great too.
Sakamoto from Haven't You Heard? I'm Sakamoto


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 12:22 AM

I saw a video somewhere that stated for a gary Stu cahracter to be interesting, they need to have some internal conflict or moral dilemma to make them seem more relate-able and I suppose that is true


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:50 AM

Some Gary Stu and Mary Stu characters can be great main characters. Most do not because they are written so weirdly that they are like a fored Mary Su.
Ainz from Overlord is good.
Saitama from OPM obviously.
Usui from Maid-Sama was great too.
Sakamoto from Haven't You Heard? I'm Sakamoto

 

You could add Godai Yusuke from Kamen Rider Kuuga to that list. He kinda proves one of my big points with Sue characters, they can work but they can't be the major focus of the story. Godai is the classic hero, skilled at a wide variety of talents and they even pull "he's too strong" as a fault. Granted, when his kicks begin creating explosions 3km in radius IIRC, yeah. Him being too strong kinda becomes an issue around Tokyo.

 

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But Godai wasn't the main focus of the show despite being the hero. The Grongi threat were treated, well, realistically. We saw the public react to monsters murdering people for sport, as well as the police try to develop methods to fight them themselves. Not to mention trying to decipher the ancient texts that outline Kuuga's powers while dealing with each threat. It showed how frightening it would be to live in the world of Kamen Rider, but it also made Godai's heroism seem all the more important.

 

If you have the Sue as a side character, like a perfect rival for a flawed protagonist (like Ned Flanders in the earliest Simpsons episodes), a mentor or just playing it for laughs, it can work. But to create tension with a Sue main character, you're going to have to go multiple extra miles.

 

Cast in point, Godai's final fight.

 

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 03:25 AM

 

From episode 62 , i don't watch boruto movie yet so i don't know how much they changed here. This is where boruto using the cheating device on stupidsuki clan. The last part makes me puke the moment boruto realize his beloved daddy is a saint :lmao: , maybe i'm just a salty hater at this point , i admit i can't judge things fairly / professionally anymore whenever it comes to boruto.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 04:56 AM

...They added another one? Ugh. I recall Bolt sending out one jutsu and seeing it get absorb by the eye, which is why his disappearing rasengan became important later.

 

Yes that was implied in the other iteration that this was the first time Bolt really saw Naruto fight.

Sometimes Boruto video can go over a million, but the question remains; "how many of those people that watch it online also financially support it?"

 

They assumed US Anime fans of the Millennial generation would be the same as the Japanese Otaku.

 

Japanese Otaku spend all their money on anime products (figures, video games, posters, love pillows, ect.) of their favorite anime.

 

American Millennials are cheapskates for the most part. A lot are college educated by this point which means they have college debts they need to pay off. A lot of them don't have job or only have minimum wage job so they don't have a lot of disposable income. Socialism and its ilk have become popular among certain circle, and they despises the idea of having to pay for stuff. They are entitled brat so they get offended by the idea they have to pay for something, and if they even spend a penny they will behave like the have full copyrights to it.

 

So SP tried it believing that their cultural norm of the Otaku will buy everything if they give them what they want to the US nH fanbase that is full of annoying entitled moralizing cheapskates.

This probably belongs in the politics threads, but I doubt pirating anime has anything to do with socialism (when people talk about this term they're usually talking about being provided necessities). It's just the simple truth of human nature: WE LIKE FREE STUFF. I had a roommate who was an anime fan and quite conservative, and he got most of his stuff for free. He would never defend it though; if one of his favorite sites was shut down, he would just smile and say "Hey, that's the law" If you had a choice between paying for something and getting something for free with no consequence, which are you going to pick? Most everyone would go for the latter.

 

Okay. That's over. Anyway, yes, the merchandising is another stark difference between the anime fanbases. The fans over there will buy most of the merchandise they offer, both because they tend to be more obsessive than westerners and want to support the series' they like, but here, it's usually just the show and manga, IF they're lucky. To be fair, Naruto has been pretty successful in selling other merchandise in the west, but it still pales in comparison to Japan. I'm still laughing at the rumors I heard about the Last merchandise not selling.



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Posted 17 June 2018 - 02:31 AM

 

From episode 62 , i don't watch boruto movie yet so i don't know how much they changed here. This is where boruto using the cheating device on stupidsuki clan. The last part makes me puke the moment boruto realize his beloved daddy is a saint :lmao: , maybe i'm just a salty hater at this point , i admit i can't judge things fairly / professionally anymore whenever it comes to boruto.

 

For this it's okay to be salty because its not good :zaru:


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 03:00 AM

 

From episode 62 , i don't watch boruto movie yet so i don't know how much they changed here. This is where boruto using the cheating device on stupidsuki clan. The last part makes me puke the moment boruto realize his beloved daddy is a saint :lmao: , maybe i'm just a salty hater at this point , i admit i can't judge things fairly / professionally anymore whenever it comes to boruto.

I don't understand. Are the kids using these devices to be able to perform jutsu's? no hand signing or anything? just technology?


Edited by NaruSaku122, 17 June 2018 - 03:01 AM.


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 03:40 AM

I don't understand. Are the kids using these devices to be able to perform jutsu's? no hand signing or anything? just technology?

The device was made by sleazy inventor that leads the Konohan's institute of research. Naruto forbid the device use for the exam. So, sleazy inventor to make sure his device was in the exam to promote it gave one to Bolt to use during the exam with the intention of revealing that he won the chunin exam with it, but Naruto found out. In the movie, and the manga during Bolt's fight with Shikamaru's son. In the anime in the final three way battle with Salad and Gaara's son.

 

Only Bolt is using it, and it was only just invented before the exam. Bolt has been using it throughout the exam despite the fact that His father personally banned the device for the exam in front of him. So he has been cheating throughout the exam.


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 03:00 PM

The device was made by sleazy inventor that leads the Konohan's institute of research. Naruto forbid the device use for the exam. So, sleazy inventor to make sure his device was in the exam to promote it gave one to Bolt to use during the exam with the intention of revealing that he won the chunin exam with it, but Naruto found out. In the movie, and the manga during Bolt's fight with Shikamaru's son. In the anime in the final three way battle with Salad and Gaara's son.
 
Only Bolt is using it, and it was only just invented before the exam. Bolt has been using it throughout the exam despite the fact that His father personally banned the device for the exam in front of him. So he has been cheating throughout the exam.

Bolt is nothing but a cheater and can't win on his own. Yeah this is the spawn of both Naruto and Hinata. I hope you like that NH fans. The old Naruto would never do that.

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 08:07 PM

I just wish Kishimoto would tell the truth. There are a lot of interviews but not many relevant answers about what happened

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 02:59 PM

I just wish Kishimoto would tell the truth. There are a lot of interviews but not many relevant answers about what happened

I just wish Kishimoto would tell the truth. There are a lot of interviews but not many relevant answers about what happened


Not going to happen. He was influenced by a studio who had an agenda and he went with their plan and instead of his own. You can bet they will refuse to accept that they screwed up with Naruto and say this was the plan all along to avoid the truth of what happened to the series.





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