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[Phantom_999]

Still NOT a good message to teach to kids. that leads to overblown self criticism to their own appearance and self esteem which leads to those "dangerous for their health" methods to try look like a movie star. it is damaging to see that especially if you are young and VERY susceptible to outside influence 

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 August 2018 - 01:29 PM.

[hisaberpie]

Still NOT a good message to teach to kids. that leads to overblown self criticism to their own appearance and self esteem which leads to those "dangerous for their health" methods to try look like a movie star. it is damaging to see that especially if you are young and VERY susceptible to outside influence 

 

Not only that but in this episode, chou chou also snapped at salad and mitsuki by calling them average looking or something just cuz they didnt let her kiss the actor guy. Why do they make all the female characters so obsessed with boys? .. from the hinata clone to salad fangirling over boruto and now chou chou choosing an older guy over her friends. Does SP really believe that girls have nothing going on in their lives except pining after guys?

 

I wish SP would take some pointers from horikoshi on how to write side female characters. Not one girl in my hero academia obsesses over boys like the girls in naruto or boruto do.

[DrK]

 

Not only that but in this episode, chou chou also snapped at salad and mitsuki by calling them average looking or something just cuz they didnt let her kiss the actor guy. Why do they make all the female characters so obsessed with boys? .. from the hinata clone to salad fangirling over boruto and now chou chou choosing an older guy over her friends. Does SP really believe that girls have nothing going on in their lives except pining after guys?

It's not like SP is doing anything that Kishi didn't do. Sakura famously, after Ino, her first, best, and as far as the story is concerned only friend, protected her from bullies and raised her self-esteem from a 1 out of 10 to at least a 5 or something, ended their friendship just because Ino also liked Sasuke. And Ino did not say "If you like Sasuke too, we can't be friends". Sakura just did that. You would think that after everything Ino did for her Sakura would be more likely to abandon her interest in Sasuke than abandon Ino. I mean that is pretty awful.

 

And rather than grow to be a better person she just moved on to abandoning Naruto for Sasuke as well even though he kept trying to murder her. Great story messages 101

Edited by DrK, 11 August 2018 - 04:26 PM.

[Yyubie]

https://comicsverse....ns-still-trash/

(All 4 of those who comment there is disagree , they said the article is trash and boruto is good)

 

[RulesofNature]

Still NOT a good message to teach to kids. that leads to overblown self criticism to their own appearance and self esteem which leads to those "dangerous for their health" methods to try look like a movie star. it is damaging to see that especially if you are young and VERY susceptible to outside influence 

 

Yet, it's not really unexpected in Japan. The pressure to conform there is pretty great, to the point that bullying is more acceptable. After all, to them the victim is in the wrong because they don't fit in with the rest of their peers for whatever reason. FFS, kindergarten teachers will teach the kids to laugh at the ones who don't fit in or, in one reported case, crying because they didn't like it there. So, mocking someone for being fat isn't as outrageous there and, sadly enough, fits into the undertones of the "work for the good of the village" message Naruto ended on.

 

This is probably why Isekai has gotten so popular as of late.

[DrK]

 

Yet, it's not really unexpected in Japan. The pressure to conform there is pretty great, to the point that bullying is more acceptable. After all, to them the victim is in the wrong because they don't fit in with the rest of their peers for whatever reason.

Developmental psychology actually does teach this idea that bullying is in large part caused by social problems on the part of the one being bullied and that treating the victims to correct that may be the best way to combat it. It's definitely a case of "You're not wrong, you're just an a**hole"

[TheFirstEvil100]

Still NOT a good message to teach to kids. that leads to overblown self criticism to their own appearance and self esteem which leads to those "dangerous for their health" methods to try look like a movie star. it is damaging to see that especially if you are young and VERY susceptible to outside influence 

that's very true remember that in Japan they did try to over-sexualised Misty is season one of pokemon, and she is 10 for Japan they see it as okay but as Suede said in his review that it was way too far and everyone in the US backlashed that it got banned.

 

 

Misty is ogled by an old man

Misty is pressured into a beauty pageant to help pay off the old man’s debt

 

Misty is body shammed by James; the fact James is cross-dressing is incidental, he still says that Misty should be ashamed of her figure even though she is healthy, confident and uninterested in drawing attention to her body.

 

Some may say this is just Japan being Japan. Yes, it is this is a cultural phenomenon Japan have a deep-rooted obsession with the image of innocent youth going all the way back to the Tale Of Genji,

 

Hell they in 2015 they made the possession of child pornography illegal, and this was the same with the pokemon episode when the US saw this and how bad it was and Japan mainly the pokemon part saw this and knew they had to change if they were going to sell Pokemon oversea.

 

Now, all that needs to happen is the same thing with Bolt if people really kick up how a 12-year-old girl is being treated and stop it.

[VanitasDS76491]

 
I'm curious i have to admit , because i suddenly remember one of the best black girl i like in the anime which is Yoruichi the cat girl from Bleach (i have this feeling SP did try to copy Yoruichi). So i decide to take a look on google about Chocho butterfly mode.

Yoruichi is so much better , hotter and kick ass than chocho. Yoruichi would kitten her up give Yoruichi is one of the fastest soul reaper in bleach and has shunko and her hand to hand skills are way better and being over 100 years old she's more experienced.

[Bail o' Lies]

We got to remember this. If Boruto has been receiving praise recently it because it was doing the chunin exam/movie. Now they no longer have that. What they have is the manga -which you been hearing my complaints about-, and their own ideas. It is very likely that Boruto has already peaked.

 

It's not like SP is doing anything that Kishi didn't do. Sakura famously, after Ino, her first, best, and as far as the story is concerned only friend, protected her from bullies and raised her self-esteem from a 1 out of 10 to at least a 5 or something, ended their friendship just because Ino also liked Sasuke. And Ino did not say "If you like Sasuke too, we can't be friends". Sakura just did that. You would think that after everything Ino did for her Sakura would be more likely to abandon her interest in Sasuke than abandon Ino. I mean that is pretty awful.

 

And rather than grow to be a better person she just moved on to abandoning Naruto for Sasuke as well even though he kept trying to murder her. Great story messages 101

Sakura's excuse was that she didn't want to spend her life in Ino's shadow. So she made Ino her rival, and made the competition who could win Sasuke's heart. Then more or less got over that in the chunin exam where the rivalry became much more friendly. You're right that Kishimoto made a lot of his female characters boy obsessed, but he did try to give them something beyond that. However, SP favorite character was Hinata the only girl kishi truly didn't care about or add anything to.

 

Yet, it's not really unexpected in Japan. The pressure to conform there is pretty great, to the point that bullying is more acceptable. After all, to them the victim is in the wrong because they don't fit in with the rest of their peers for whatever reason. FFS, kindergarten teachers will teach the kids to laugh at the ones who don't fit in or, in one reported case, crying because they didn't like it there. So, mocking someone for being fat isn't as outrageous there and, sadly enough, fits into the undertones of the "work for the good of the village" message Naruto ended on.

 

This is probably why Isekai has gotten so popular as of late.

Isekai is popular because a lot of light novels are Isekai out of laziness because a lot of those writers are otaku who can't write to the point their books are finished by their editors, and their books demographics are other otaku. 

 

Normally, Shounen is anti-conformist because it targeted at teenagers that want to rebel against a very conformist society. But Boruto is written by Hinata otaku who target demographic is themselves, and just hope enough people watch it to keep the lights on.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 12 August 2018 - 01:29 AM.

[RulesofNature]

 

Isekai is popular because a lot of light novels are Isekai out of laziness because a lot of those writers are otaku who can't write to the point their books are finished by their editors, and their books demographics are other otaku. 

 

Normally, Shounen is anti-conformist because it targeted at teenagers that want to rebel against a very conformist society. But Boruto is written by Hinata otaku who target demographic is themselves, and just hope enough people watch it to keep the lights on.

 

But those same otaku are the ones trying to escape the world they live in, which allows them (and their audience) to vicariously live through their self-inserts. Granted, then we have cases like Konosuba which takes delight in subverting isekai expectations and it's pretty popular. I think the isekai genre itself has been steered into a more deconstructionalist direction as of late, taking the piss out of those otaku avatars. Not to mention we also have good fantasy series like Delicious in Dungeon to compare the standard Isekai against. I'd recommend checking out D in D myself, since the characters and setting really sell it.

 

There are so many days I want to switch my avatar to Senshi.

 

Huh. Just though of something. To Boruto, being anti-conformist isn't telling kids to rebel against the system. It's anti-conformist in that unlike other shonen series it's pushing conformity. It tells the audience to work for the good of society, even hiding the atrocities said society commits, while conforming to the other various trappings of the genre. It's like this thing I once wrote to get a chuckle out of a teacher "be an individual and unite," presented without awareness or irony. While Black Clover is shonen through and through and MHA is willing to challenge the old ways, Boruto is stuck trying to be something that it just isn't in it's heart.

 

And that's no doubt a reason why it's so goddamn unappealing to most people.

[jak123]

 

But those same otaku are the ones trying to escape the world they live in, which allows them (and their audience) to vicariously live through their self-inserts. Granted, then we have cases like Konosuba which takes delight in subverting isekai expectations and it's pretty popular. I think the isekai genre itself has been steered into a more deconstructionalist direction as of late, taking the piss out of those otaku avatars. Not to mention we also have good fantasy series like Delicious in Dungeon to compare the standard Isekai against. I'd recommend checking out D in D myself, since the characters and setting really sell it.

 

There are so many days I want to switch my avatar to Senshi.

 

Huh. Just though of something. To Boruto, being anti-conformist isn't telling kids to rebel against the system. It's anti-conformist in that unlike other shonen series it's pushing conformity. It tells the audience to work for the good of society, even hiding the atrocities said society commits, while conforming to the other various trappings of the genre. It's like this thing I once wrote to get a chuckle out of a teacher "be an individual and unite," presented without awareness or irony. While Black Clover is shonen through and through and MHA is willing to challenge the old ways, Boruto is stuck trying to be something that it just isn't in it's heart.

 

And that's no doubt a reason why it's so goddamn unappealing to most people.

I guess you could look at it that way. The problem is the concept of "conformity and non-conformity" is shaky at best. People who "rebel" against the "conformity" of a certain way tend to be following someone else's example so in reality they are just conforming to a different way of thinking. So in reality, non-conformity doesn't really exist for 99.99999999% of people because they followed. If you get lucky you can be that 0.00000001% of people who start the trend. 

 

If anything, it's just kitten writing that completely contradicts what the original story setup to accomplish. I don't think there's really any deeper meaning than that.

Edited by jak123, 13 August 2018 - 02:14 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

I wonder who got butt kittened more in terms of character naruto or luke Skywalker I say both the last jedi Luke is the complete opposite of how we met him.

[jak123]

I wonder who got butt kittened more in terms of character naruto or luke Skywalker I say both the last jedi Luke is the complete opposite of how we met him.

Oh god yes. LJ was absolutely terrible, but the worst thing was them destroying Luke's character. Even Mark Hamill criticized the movie.

[RulesofNature]

I wonder who got butt kittened more in terms of character naruto or luke Skywalker I say both the last jedi Luke is the complete opposite of how we met him.

 

I say Naruto. They've both become something of an antithesis of what they were originally supposed to be, but I think Naruto has it worse for two reasons. The first is that you can ignore the sequel trilogy if you want, whereas the transformation into Boruto's dad was done at the end of the manga/anime. And second, Lucas was not the one who wrote/directed TLJ (which I have to say, RJ's disrespect for the creations of others is appalling. Though this is the same guy who at first said he wasn't trying to split the fanbase only for an old quote to resurface where he said he wanted to make films that split the audience. You got what you wanted buddy, so quit crying about manbabies) whereas Kishi betrayed Naruto himself.

[Nostradamus]

I wonder who got butt kittened more in terms of character naruto or luke Skywalker I say both the last jedi Luke is the complete opposite of how we met him.

Both, but I say Naruto was the one that suffered the most amount of damage since it happened at the end of his journey.

What was meant to be his triumphant was instead his death.

Luke's journey (Lucas's version) ended well. It was only after years that Kathleen Kennedy decided that girl power must be victorious in Hollywood, without actually knowing how to do it or even having any knowledge about what she was in charge, even though she worked under and with Lucas for years.

And her version was make a Mary sue and make sure you destroy all the male characters including the previous hero around her in order to make the Mary Sue look better. Then fire anyone who dares to oppose your vision and give the project to the guy who did Looper.

You literally had the recipe for the perfect disaster.

[VanitasDS76491]

Both, but I say Naruto was the one that suffered the most amount of damage since it happened at the end of his journey.
What was meant to be his triumphant was instead his death.
Luke's journey (Lucas's version) ended well. It was only after years that Kathleen Kennedy decided that girl power must be victorious in Hollywood, without actually knowing how to do it or even having any knowledge about what she was in charge, even though she worked under and with Lucas for years.
And her version was make a Mary sue and make sure you destroy all the male characters including the previous hero around her in order to make the Mary Sue look better. Then fire anyone who dares to oppose your vision and give the project to the guy who did Looper.
You literally had the recipe for the perfect disaster.

Sounds like hinata since she's a Mary sue as well. Also while I hate the last jedi is really what naruto to wind up like Luke was in that movie it'd the best thing for he's character.

[VanitasDS76491]

Oh god yes. LJ was absolutely terrible, but the worst thing was them destroying Luke's character. Even Mark Hamill criticized the movie.

When mark Hamill himself says it's bad it's time to rewrite it every scene of that movie is dumb but I'd watch last jedi over the last any day. It's sad cause naruto story was kind of like Luke's before kishi ripped off alot of star wars and metal gear.

[KClaws_2]

Out of curiosity i type "Boruto low sale" in goggle search bar and the result is not what i expected (or what i like maybe).

Just want to post this here i don't know if it's true or not.

http://comicbook.com...-ratings-japan/

 

Info is bit old , in may 2018.

Looks like this cockroaches gonna take longer than that to kick the bucket.

 

That really doesn't sound right. I've heard repeatedly that DragonBall consistently outsold Naruto. Maybe it's because DBS ended recently that Boruto is getting a chance to catch up. As for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, I can believe that to some extent. Both of those shows have been around for a while now, so I can see people getting bored of them. But the games? Oh hell no, no way the anime alone is making that much money. We know the printed works of Boruto aren't selling well either for that matter. 

Still, as I said before, if you push your series beyond 50 episodes, you're doing something right. From what I feel, Boruto is selling well enough with it's target audience (kids) but it's really not making waves among hard-core fans

The anti boruto tumblr is full of hate right now , apparently because in the recent filler episode , chouchou can use the butterfly technique that chouji use without any risk. It's vague but from what i read it looks like when she use that technique she become skinnier and her skin turn light. And apparently this pissed off a lot of black people , they said that it's racist / racism , because when shes fat and black nobody likes her but when she use that butterfly technique and she become skinnier and lighter the fans like her. There's no image or screenshot so i don't really know for sure how she looks like , but if i have to guess : when she use that butterfly technique she basically become sexy pretty skinny and shes no longer black , her skin is white .... could be wrong but once again they piss off their own fans , nice job SP.

To be fair, in Japanese culture, lighter skin is considered more beautiful (just look at Geishas) and Cho-Cho's still dark-skinned. 

Still, it's really insultuing to Chouji's character to just have this skinny jutsu you could activate at random (though to be fair, that HAS been the pattern lately). This was more in the anime, but during his fight with Jirobo, he flashbacked to being made fun of for being a fat kid, but his friendship with Shikamaru gave him the courage to accept himself for whom he was. Cho-Cho is just annoying, and she's incredibly shallow. That thing about hoping Sasuke was her Dad...um, I really don't want to know about this fetish. It would have been one thing if they explained Chouji trained hard for his weight loss for health reasons, but no. He just did so his daughter wouldn't run away again.

 

Come on! Girl, do you know how many teenage girls live with heavy-set parents? Some have parents who are sick, pattern-baldness and other such things that make them less than "perfect", and I bet they would slap the kitten out of you disowning him for a problem they all have.

 

 

Not only that but in this episode, chou chou also snapped at salad and mitsuki by calling them average looking or something just cuz they didnt let her kiss the actor guy. Why do they make all the female characters so obsessed with boys? .. from the hinata clone to salad fangirling over boruto and now chou chou choosing an older guy over her friends. Does SP really believe that girls have nothing going on in their lives except pining after guys?

 

I wish SP would take some pointers from horikoshi on how to write side female characters. Not one girl in my hero academia obsesses over boys like the girls in naruto or boruto do.

I've a feeling she's going to revert back to her fat form soon. Of course, I could be wrong and they decide to keep her this way.

But yeah, SP and Kishimoto have BADLY handled women. Except for maybe Sarada, almost all the major females are obsessed with some man. No subtly, no moral message, just...this is how women are (in their stupid fantasy world). Almost every other anime and manga out there balances their female characters. They usually have their own dreams, personalities, and skills. They may not be top-tier all the time, but at least they have effort put into them. At SP, it's just "Hey, here's a girl. First off: Who is she going to crush on?" Then they just have her "borrow" skills from other established characters.

 

As for trying to make her like Yorouichi...yeah, that doesn't work. 1) Yorouichi is a grown woman 2) Yorouichi is actually awesome (yes, I've said repeatedly I'm not a big fan of Bleach, but I'm down for a spin-off staring her) and 3) Yorouichi is not boy-crazy. Yes, it's implied she and Urahara have a thing, but it's really not made a big thing out of. 

 

 

I say Naruto. They've both become something of an antithesis of what they were originally supposed to be, but I think Naruto has it worse for two reasons. The first is that you can ignore the sequel trilogy if you want, whereas the transformation into Boruto's dad was done at the end of the manga/anime. And second, Lucas was not the one who wrote/directed TLJ (which I have to say, RJ's disrespect for the creations of others is appalling. Though this is the same guy who at first said he wasn't trying to split the fanbase only for an old quote to resurface where he said he wanted to make films that split the audience. You got what you wanted buddy, so quit crying about manbabies) whereas Kishi betrayed Naruto himself.

I still need to see TLJ, no matter how bad it may be. However, I've heard that RJ actually THREW OUT JJ's script for episode 8. Like, I get you want to put your own stamp on the movie, but could you do so in a way that's consistent with the previous entry?

Another problem this trilogy is having is that there is no game plan. The original's goal was the redemption of Darth Vader through his son. The prequels, flawed as they were, set up the origin of Darth Vader. What's the point of this one? It feels like they are making this up as they go along and are adding side stories thinking this can work out like the MCU. Once more, others have a HUGE misunderstanding of the key to the MCU's success: Kevin Feige. He had a plan for all the movies to lead up to Infinity War, and that's exactly where he took us. Not only that, but John Campena recently talked about this and mentioned KF's main job as president of Marvel Studios was to make sure everyone was on the same page, and really pay close attention to continuity, which Kennedy has failed to do. They're throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick. If you're doing a serious series of movies, that's not how it's going to work.

And while I don't believe actors should have the final say in how a character is portrayed, when the same actor who played that same character is not agreeing with you on anything, you should probably rethink what you're doing. The Skywalker in the new movies is not a different rendition of the character like we see in so many other superhero media, it's the exact same person from before, so you probably SHOULD at least discuss with them what are the appropriate changes.

[Bail o' Lies]

DragonBall is aired Fuji TV. DragonBall isn't a TV Tokyo product which is where Boruto, Naruto, Gintama, Pokemon, and Yu-Gi-Oh are aired. (Though that title comicbook gave is a lie since its only considering TV Tokyo products.) 

 

Why does everyone just assume Fat Filler was some "fat acceptance character," and how many times will I have to explain again, and again she isn't? At the end of the gaiden when she heard that their was a move that would slim her down she instantly wanted to learn it. Other then that she was always a walking fat joke, not a character the staff wanted you to admire.

 

Rian Johnson thought he could what ever he wanted because it was star wars and the fans will just accept it. When they didn't, he is now desperately trying to make "Star Wars Gate" a thing to just claim that it was the evil sexists that don't like his movie, and that he should still get his trilogy that KK promised him.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 20 August 2018 - 09:46 AM.

[DrK]

Why does everyone just assume Fat Filler was some "fat acceptance character," and how many times will I have to explain again, and again she isn't? At the end of the gaiden when she heard that their was a move that would slim her down she instantly wanted to learn it. Other then that she was always a walking fat joke, not a character the staff wanted you to admire.

We get it, she makes Cartman look like Don Draper. But it's not like the other characters are much better. They could have played that angle just to create something of substance.