Jounin
Posted 23 February 2016 - 04:32 PM
Statement: Have The Last -Naruto the Movie- work differently on Naruto and Hinata's development, it could have been not only a good pairing, but well established reasonable than any other pairings, including NaruSaku.
Agree or disagree?
Elite Teacher
Posted 23 February 2016 - 05:02 PM
Statement: Have The Last -Naruto the Movie- work differently on Naruto and Hinata's development, it could have been not only a good pairing, but well established reasonable than any other pairings, including NaruSaku.
Agree or disagree?
DISAGREE
No matter what they do the it WON"T WORK.There was the manga and 15 yrs for that.
If sakura was dead then maybe they would have had a meaning to do it atleast.
Edited by Advaith, 23 February 2016 - 05:03 PM.
Kyuubi
Posted 23 February 2016 - 05:17 PM
If Sakura died then develop NH in the Manga then Maybe I would buy NH. Would I still ship it? Hell no.
Edited by NaruSaku fan in Kentucky, 23 February 2016 - 05:19 PM.
Jounin
Posted 23 February 2016 - 05:54 PM
Legendary Ninja
Posted 23 February 2016 - 06:57 PM
Statement: This series would have been better off with no romance focus at all. Showcase bonds but never get deep as in romance and end with no pairings would help the series to be better than today.
Agree. The ending we got alienated half of the fanbase. If there was no romantic pairings, they could have continued the story with another generation, then kept the old fans around to ship the new generation and hope that their fav pairing might get together. Instead they shut the door on the most devoted group of fans.
Statement: When dealing with anime, there are series that you take it serious due to its nature and there are series that are over the top that you can throw your brain out of the window and enjoy the ride. That all being said if you look at Naruto with the latter point of view, this series is much more forgiving; therefore, result as a good series.
Disagree. They started with a good, cohesive story, then bailed on it. Unfortunately, when the good story was deconstructed into the weekly cliffhanger nonsense we got. Naruto's popularity and wide audience came from the Pain arc. After that, the audience may have been there, but the story became a confusing mess of revolving characters, speeches, actions and ships. It was all downhill and intentionally confusing and baiting to their most long-term fans.
It's sort of like waiting so long to go on a roller coaster ride, going over a couple of big drops, and expecting the big finale...only to find out that the last loops were just a slow, winding kiddie ride that they'd hidden from view. A bad story is a bad story. And they way they carried it off made it even worse.
Statement: Have The Last -Naruto the Movie- work differently on Naruto and Hinata's development, it could have been not only a good pairing, but well established reasonable than any other pairings, including NaruSaku.
Disagree. Naruto's story was never set up for Hinata to be a main character. This wasn't a fairytale, with Naruto getting the princess in the end. The goal wasn't for Naruto to be recognized by a traditional clan and welcomed into their family, thus cementing his commitment to doing things the old-fashioned way. Hinata was only supposed to worship him from afar, and use him as inspiration to better herself. Naruto was only supposed to see her as another villager and teammate whom he could give a boost to.
Naruto's story was the under-appreciated underdog who longs to be acknowledged by his village, triumph over his rival and win the affection of the girl who, so far, only has eyes for his rival. And he when he finally gets those things, he wants to become Hokage and do things his own way, surpassing the generations and brutal clan/ninja/village traditions that came before him. That's the summary of Naruto's motivation. NONE of that involved Hinata. Throwing her in a sappy movie at the end changes nothing. The story is not about her. And if it were — if she were heavily involved as a passive, sympathetic heroine from the beginning — I guarantee the Naruto series wouldn't have been as popular as it was.
Jounin
Posted 23 February 2016 - 07:03 PM
Loyal Follower of the OTP of Naruto
Posted 23 February 2016 - 07:23 PM
Statement: Have The Last -Naruto the Movie- work differently on Naruto and Hinata's development, it could have been not only a good pairing, but well established reasonable than any other pairings, including NaruSaku.
Agree or disagree?
Disagree.
As others have said, the only way to make this pairing work was to have at least hinted at it throughout the entire manga, not just the final 100 or so chapters. Hinata was left so far behind in development that even having a movie pretty much solely based around the pairing made things worse. Naruto/Hinata could have been a good pairing if Kishi and others had introduced and developed it throughout the manga, but instead they just let it sink to the bottom of the sea and tried to resurrect it at the very end. Honestly, I don't think that Kishi had any plans to pair Naruto and Hinata together until the very last moment (last 25 chapters or so) since if he had, he would have made more of an effort to at least show them talking after Hinata's confession in the Pain Arc. Without any conversation or screen time between the two, the confession comes off as a last act of desperation to talk to Naruto before they all die, making it just as bad if not worse than Sakura's 'confession' in the Land of Iron.
Naruto and Hinata's relationship is even less developed than Harry and Ginny's in Harry Potter. Both authors/writers didn't need to add a lot to make the relationship's at least somewhat believable, a scene or two scattered throughout the books/manga would have been enough.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 23 February 2016 - 10:39 PM
Have kishi develop it in the manga, the last will be their honeymoon story.Statement: Have The Last -Naruto the Movie- work differently on Naruto and Hinata's development, it could have been not only a good pairing, but well established reasonable than any other pairings, including NaruSaku.
Agree or disagree?
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 23 February 2016 - 10:45 PM
Nah, she would not change.If Hinata were to be the intended heroine from the get go, I'm sure her characterization would be been entirely different
Jounin
Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:14 PM
Nah, she would not change.
She will be more relevant if she's the heroine.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:16 PM
I think it could happen.It would over time through character development.
Actually, if Hinata was the heroine more focus would have been on the hyugas. Poissibly even more than the Uchihas
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:29 PM
Statement: When dealing with anime, there are series that you take it serious due to its nature and there are series that are over the top that you can throw your brain out of the window and enjoy the ride. That all being said if you look at Naruto with the latter point of view, this series is much more forgiving; therefore, result as a good series.
Agree or disagree?
Statement: Have The Last -Naruto the Movie- work differently on Naruto and Hinata's development, it could have been not only a good pairing, but well established reasonable than any other pairings, including NaruSaku.
Agree or disagree?
Legendary Ninja
Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:48 PM
Statement: Have The Last -Naruto the Movie- work differently on Naruto and Hinata's development, it could have been not only a good pairing, but well established reasonable than any other pairings, including NaruSaku.
Agree or disagree?
Disakitteningagree, nothing would make NH believable with how Kishi it I mean maybe Hiro and Kojima could have done or Comic book writer like Geoff Johns, Gail Simone, Grant Morrison they could have done it better to.
Edited by VanitasDS76491, 23 February 2016 - 11:51 PM.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:29 AM
Why does Sakura need to die in order for Naruto to gain feelings for Hinata? He could just move on from her romantically for whatever reason
Sakura is the girl Naruto was chasing after throughout the entire story. Therefor she is the gold prize if Naruto wins her. Naruto ending up with hinata is settling for her. So no matter what they may say, she is the silver prize. -I know people are going to complain about me making the romance have a competition analogy and put the girl as nothing more then prizes for the men...but i don't fell like writing something like 12 paragraphs right now- This would be fine if the staff at least admitted it and would have made the last better. But instead they had this weird thing where they were acting like she was the first prize Kewpie doll, while still in some way still -probably subconsciously- treating her like the second place reward. If in the manga say Sasuke did fall for Sakura and we see it (i don't count at the last minute in chapter 699) then Naruto accepts it and decides to let them be happy together and eventually ended up with hinata. Fine. The problem is once again they didn't do this and instead desperately trying to act like she the first place golden prize by cramming the entire romance into one movie. Killing Sakura doesn't resolve the problem but it at least clears the stage and leaves only Hinata to end up with Naruto.
If Hinata were to be the intended heroine from the get go, I'm sure her characterization would be been entirely different
If she was the heroine she would have been or eventually become Sakura. The main difference between her and Sakura would be that her Ino would be Naruto and she would be creepily obsessed with him even more then she already was(hopefully this part would have been removed by yahagi early on and replaced with something else). But we probably would have started with the incredibly shy girl instead of the insecure girl growing into a strong willed confident girl. Remember kishi does have a type as we seen. He likes strong willed woman...at least what is defined as a strong willed woman in shonen manga. If he was to make hinata the heroine from the beginning. She would have eventually become the strong willed woman in shonen manga like chichi, bulma, and videl in dragonball, because that's what kishi's taste are.
Edited by Bail o' Lies, 24 February 2016 - 09:16 PM.
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 25 February 2016 - 01:05 AM
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 25 February 2016 - 01:10 AM
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 25 February 2016 - 01:25 AM
Statement: The flashback and the return of Minato did more harm than good to his character.
Agree or disagree?
Jounin
Posted 25 February 2016 - 04:32 AM
Statement: The flashback and the return of Minato did more harm than good to his character.
Agree or disagree?
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:12 AM
Minato being able to interact with Naruto and give his approval of Sakura was great. The problem is whenever it wasn't involving Obito Kakashi or Naruto. He was completely out of the loop. He was basically the Sakura of the Hokages (1st naruto 2nd sasuke 3rd kakashi). For example the Kages were brought back to talk/apologies to Sasuke and praise Itachi the Martyred Messiah. The First talk the most explaining Madara and his back story. The Second acted like a jackass though he had some good points. The Third explain the Uchiha massacre and Itachi. While Minato watched on confused and out of the loop for most of it. Other then maybe the Kyuubi attack. Hell they were being lectured by Orochimaru for Pete's Sake.
Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 February 2016 - 09:17 AM.
Elite Jounin
Posted 25 February 2016 - 04:17 PM
Statement: The flashback and the return of Minato did more harm than good to his character.
Agree or disagree?
Agree. I felt like the more panels we had with Minato, the less power and impact he had as a character. Some of it was the fact that we found out his fancy technique was kind of a knockoff. A lot of it was the fact that it wasn't even Naruto who got to go to the Uzumaki Temple. But all in all, he was another aspect of the War Arc that seemed like a good idea in theory, but was dragged on and on to the point that it really was a detraction.
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