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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

That's why I say it is enigmatic. It doesn't make sense and only seems to be a plot device. Not as bad as the sharingan because it is not as abused, but still just as plot convenient. 
Why can't wood release be passed down familiarly? Why can't Tsunade do wood release?  
By the way, yes Sakura has earth and water I do believe, but she never uses them. Hell, Naruto never uses his wind release other than rasenshurikan.

I get Wood Style is a nature transformation Kekkei Genkai, but you said it, James! Why couldn't more depth go into those kind of Kekkei Genkai to make them make sense? Same with Kekkei Tota like Onoki's Particle Style!

[Phantom_999]

Wood style is not some story breaker power, the way I see it, so it wouldn’t hurt to elaborate on it more or not make it exclusive to Hashirama or having his dna. I’ll comment more on it later I need to gather my thoughts. Oh side note I forgot where I heard this from, but apparently Wood style was a reference on how in Japanese mythology trees are used to trap or imprison monsters or evils spirits or something along those lines. Correct me if I’m wrong

[James S Cassidy]

I get Wood Style is a nature transformation Kekkei Genkai, but you said it, James! Why couldn't more depth go into those kind of Kekkei Genkai to make them make sense? Same with Kekkei Tota like Onoki's Particle Style!

Considering everyone and the mother can get a byakugan or Sharingan now, why is only wood release so hard to pass down?

I still don't get the whole "genetics can't be passed down, but if I inject it it would give it to me" kind of idea? Make it make sense
Oh and now that we had someone literally give a power after death, then there is no excuse at this point.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 June 2022 - 06:21 PM.

[Derock]

Wood style is not some story breaker power, the way I see it, so it wouldn’t hurt to elaborate on it more or not make it exclusive to Hashirama or having his dna. I’ll comment more on it later I need to gather my thoughts. Oh side note I forgot where I heard this from, but apparently Wood style was a reference on how in Japanese mythology trees are used to trap or imprison monsters or evils spirits or something along those lines. Correct me if I’m wrong

 

This is what EXACTLY needed for that damn comment Masashi stated when Madara was causing havoc during the war because he was OP and he doesn't know how he could be stopped. A sealer was needed and it can be incorporated to Wood Style-type sealing technique. SMH

[James S Cassidy]

 

This is what EXACTLY needed for that damn comment Masashi stated when Madara was causing havoc during the war because he was OP and he doesn't know how he could be stopped. A sealer was needed and it can be incorporated to Wood Style-type sealing technique. SMH

The Uzamaki Clan and the Wood release were said to be MASTERS of sealing techniques and yet we see barely any save for the Death god seal. 

Random thought, whatever happened to the body Edo Tensei Madara was using after he revived himself? Does it just fade away or discarded? Seems like a fate worse than death.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 22 June 2022 - 07:22 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

The Uzamaki Clan and the Wood release were said to be MASTERS of sealing techniques and yet we see barely any save for the Death god seal. 
Random thought, whatever happened to the body Edo Tensei Madara was using after he revived himself? Does it just fade away or discarded? Seems like a fate worse than death.

Tell me about it... and it's still ignored

[LuckyChi7]

The Uzamaki Clan and the Wood release were said to be MASTERS of sealing techniques and yet we see barely any save for the Death god seal. 

Random thought, whatever happened to the body Edo Tensei Madara was using after he revived himself? Does it just fade away or discarded? Seems like a fate worse than death.

 

 

The stuff with the Uzumaki Clan is something I'm still not gonna get over when it pertains to the timeskip.  I could understand not giving it a lot of focus in Part 1, but come on at the very least we could've gotten an entire arc centered around The Uzumaki clan even if it was like the same length as say The Search for Tsunade Arc. 

[lupina]

The Uzamaki Clan and the Wood release were said to be MASTERS of sealing techniques and yet we see barely any save for the Death god seal. 

Random thought, whatever happened to the body Edo Tensei Madara was using after he revived himself? Does it just fade away or discarded? Seems like a fate worse than death.

Maybe Orochimaru experiments with it in his Labs, because with Naruto being Hokage, there is no Problem a criminal like him can do as he pleases.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Maybe Orochimaru experiments with it in his Labs, because with Naruto being Hokage, there is no Problem a criminal like him can do as he pleases.

Which is as much BS as other crap we've had like Neji dying so he could be Cupid, and so much else story-wise

[James S Cassidy]

Maybe Orochimaru experiments with it in his Labs, because with Naruto being Hokage, there is no Problem a criminal like him can do as he pleases.

Okay, let me be more specific just to make sure what we are talking,

So the Edo Tensei requires a sacrifice of a person's body to bring another back to life. Correct? So after Madara used the rinnegan to literally bring himself back from the dead, whatever happened to the sacrificial body he was using?

I think this is fridge horror material here

[lupina]

Okay, let me be more specific just to make sure what we are talking,

So the Edo Tensei requires a sacrifice of a person's body to bring another back to life. Correct? So after Madara used the rinnegan to literally bring himself back from the dead, whatever happened to the sacrificial body he was using?

I think this is fridge horror material here

Ok - I didn't remember that. Now I understand.
Good question tho. I can't imagine Kishimoto thought of that while writing.
 

[Bail o' Lies]

Okay, let me be more specific just to make sure what we are talking,

So the Edo Tensei requires a sacrifice of a person's body to bring another back to life. Correct? So after Madara used the rinnegan to literally bring himself back from the dead, whatever happened to the sacrificial body he was using?

I think this is fridge horror material here

He absorbs it. Remember the edo tensei coats and consumes the host so the dead can possess it. Its why when the body is damages it turns to ash and reforms. Only releasing the Jutsu/revived-soul do you see the original body.

 

The process of edo tensei using are: get a remnant of a person you want to summon, get a sacrifice, uses the jutsu to coat the sacrifice putting the revived soul in nominal control of the body, use a special kunia with a seal to both kill the host and put the revived soul under your control.

 

Orochimaru did it in front of the third which this was explained and Kabuto did a full demonstration for Obito.

 

The rinnegan turn a body of ash into flesh and blood completing the possession. The original body is gone.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 June 2022 - 03:43 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

He absorbs it. Remember the edo tensei coats and consumes the host so the dead can possess it. Its why when the body is damages it turns to ash and reforms. Only releasing the Jutsu/revive-soul do you see the original body.

 

The process of edo tensei using are: get a remnant of a person you want to summon, get a sacrifice, uses the jutsu to coat the sacrifice putting the revived soul in nominal control of the body, use a special kunia with a seal to both kill the host and put the revived soul under your control.

 

Orochimaru did it in front of the third which this was explained and Kabuto did a full demonstration for Obito.

 

The rinnegan turn a body of ash into flesh and blood completing the possession. The original body is gone.

 

I checked back on the manga just to see if that ended up being accurate, and seeing the differences between the Edo Tensei, and the rinne tensei (Rinne rebirth in the dub)  

 

Based on everything that really does seem to be the case and we got to see that aspect too both in anime and in the manga.

Edited by LuckyChi7, 25 June 2022 - 02:01 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

He absorbs it. Remember the edo tensei coats and consumes the host so the dead can possess it. Its why when the body is damages it turns to ash and reforms. Only releasing the Jutsu/revived-soul do you see the original body.

 

The process of edo tensei using are: get a remnant of a person you want to summon, get a sacrifice, uses the jutsu to coat the sacrifice putting the revived soul in nominal control of the body, use a special kunia with a seal to both kill the host and put the revived soul under your control.

 

Orochimaru did it in front of the third which this was explained and Kabuto did a full demonstration for Obito.

 

The rinnegan turn a body of ash into flesh and blood completing the possession. The original body is gone.

So essentially....Madara ate it. 

A fate worse than death indeed

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 June 2022 - 12:55 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

So essentially....Madara ate it. 

A fate worse than death indeed

Oh it is, but thats why I love horror so much.

[James S Cassidy]

Oh it is, but thats why I love horror so much.

Okay, now imagine if that body had......wait for it.......a blood disease....PLOT TWIST!!!

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 June 2022 - 02:06 PM.

[LuckyChi7]

Okay, now imagine if that body had......wait for it.......a blood disease....PLOT TWIST!!!

 

 

You know that wouldn't really surprise me if something like that was something that led to Mdara's death especially since he Hashirama's face transplaneted onto his chest which always left my head scratching. 

[LuckyChi7]

I know this is a filler episode, but how dd I notice???

 

 

 

 

Okay so for whatever reason the pics can't work, but if you remember the filer episode where Naruto and Sasuke kissed again.... Look at the shape the splash takes after they fall into the water:

 

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[Bail o' Lies]

So essentially....Madara ate it. 

A fate worse than death indeed

The corpse he consumed was long dead by the time that happened.

 

Fate worse than death means the person is still alive. The final stage of edo tensei is to kill the host so the revived soul has free reign.

[James S Cassidy]

The corpse he consumed was long dead by the time that happened.

 

Fate worse than death means the person is still alive. The final stage of edo tensei is to kill the host so the revived soul has free reign.

You just like killing jokes don't you?

I don't supposed you think the forest in Orochimaru's lair was him becoming a botanist do you?
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 June 2022 - 09:13 PM.