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[Fenris]

People are actually complaining Naruto didn't do anything?

 

He didn't see the genjutsu. For all he knew, Sasuke just knocked her out with it.

 

All he heard and seen was Sakura venting. He's not going to get in the middle of that.

[Lilac]

honest and truthful are the same thing.

 

Let me try to explain it a little better. He didn't say that he wrote her (confession) as being honest/truthful, but wrote her as an honest girl. In response to a person calling her decietful. If he meant she was telling the truth about being in love with Naruto, then that's a really strange way of saying it. Plus...this chapter, she's really not acting on it. She's ignoring the death threat towards Naruto, and just begs Sasuke to stay/tells Sasuke she loves him right in front of Naruto's face. It just doesn't seem like the actions of someone who's in love? It comes off as callous on Sakura's part.

Edited by Lilac, 26 September 2014 - 02:39 AM.

[merryGOflava]

I'M PISSED. I AM SO FREAKING PISSED.

I went to mangafox and I can't believe they used present tense. I went over to mangapanda instead.

And I can't with all the absurdity in this thread. Don't you guys know how to read? It's all in past tense. You don't just ignore this and say the context is different. There is a difference between past tense and present tense.

Honestly, I see Sakura's tears as tears of disappointment and desperation. She's fed up with Sasuke. Just when she thought everything would be okay and peaceful again, Sasuke just had to burst that bubble of hers. I would cry if I were her. She's desperate. Sasuke was someone she had feelings for and for him to turn out this way, she's just disappointed. She's disappointed in him AND herself. She must have blamed herself because she couldn't helped him in the past, when she had liked him so much. I'm sure that's why Kakashi said that she still cries whenever she thinks of him. She wants to save him, Naruto wants to save him, Kakashi wants to save him, Team 7 wants everything to be back like how it was. Even though she knows that he didn't like her in the past, and also now, she was a friend and a comrade. She could have done something.

I don't understand why some of you are reading so much into it. Why can't you just take the words as it is?

I thought we already confirmed it was present tense?

[ultranx]

Reading more into the use of past and present in MP, and that weird comment about 'a love not like the one he had for his mother', I think MP is indeed incorrect. Sasuke uses present tense to talk about Sakura's feelings for him. He should have said, "I don't see what she liked about me" instead of, "I don't see what she likes about me" Which doesn't go with Sakura's past tense use.

 

It's probably best to wait for the raws, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Easier to take if it turns out MS is indeed correct

Wrong, think for a second, its been 3 years since sasuke actually was around sakura. You're telling me with a straight face he would know how she acts and feels when she's so different from how she was in part 1? She could easily say "loved" and he could think she still loves him because sasuke is an idiot and doesn't actually know sakura anymore since he's been away so long. And this is coming from  someone who is an English native in the United States.

[Fenris]

I thought we already confirmed it was present tense?

Not confirmed till the raws are out.

[Shadow1275]

You sure? I think someone here said that it was definitely present tense..

Perhaps but the Raws never lie

[merryGOflava]

Not confirmed till the raws are out.

 

eh it doesn't matter.

 

Sakura should know Sasuke by now. Then again Naruto should know him by now too.

[Lilac]

Wrong, think for a second, its been 3 years since sasuke actually was around sakura. You're telling me with a straight face he would know how she acts and feels when she's so different from how she was in part 1? She could easily say "loved" and he could think she still loves him because sasuke is an idiot and doesn't actually know sakura anymore since he's been away so long. And this is coming from  someone who is an English native in the United States.

 

.No..? If she uses past tense, then it doesn't make sense for Sasuke to use present. I'm just pointing out that MP has some issues with past and present. Like how they messed up could/can, and so on.

[rocci]

It's present tense, say our friend in here.

[Inferno180]

Really despite this mess as people made, I can honestly give you a simple solution:

 

We know SS is pretty much otherwise been proven just incapable and unacceptable to the story at this point, even when sasuke goes out saying its practically a good question in itself. I still say this is the chapter of no return for SS, because seriously at this point would people still expect sakura to just be the same? I don't expect her to be the same like this throughout the whole story, that just doesn't solve anything and yes this goes in line with the next thing I will say:

 

All that NS stuff is still there, it wasn't impacted, it hasn't come to full effect. This ordeal today didn't impact or show how she feels about naruto now did it? No, and that itself has been a constant question in the series, even then any fan can ask why does sakura have the better relationship with naruto yet not love him? What is kishi even doing in this case with stuff like today?

 

Really all I can say is, what is "shocking" for now will be made into sense later on, for all purposes this could be the start of something we would actually like, who knows this deal could lead to NS for all we know as unlikely as it may seem.

 

But again, as long as those NS development and hints have still been around and untouched by all these events, it hasn't been effected or harmed in the least, hell that whole deal of the promise to me says that naruto is still intent on the promise, still loving sakura, and still unable to confess to her.

 

At this point this chapter otherwise proved that SS is just antagonism, just plain clear cut antagonism on Sakura and this could have been the setup for her to overcome it as lackluster as some may see it.

 

We have had chapters like this before, I mean just a few weeks ago with kagyua people were dissapointed by what Sakura did but in all honesty, I was expecting that some event in the future would be confrontive with sakura in regards to sasuke and likewise, the deal of NS going canon over SS, long long ago I said it would take some event, some gradual progress.

 

That gradual progress of her towards naruto already exists, its just not fully answered, but the deal with sasuke, to move away, this may be the start of it.

 

People constantly think sakura is just love locked on sasuke, that is impossible for her to change. Well the oldest/heaviest mental traits tend to be the longest to change and for one case, Sakura loving Sasuke would be part of that gradual progress and if NS is to go canon, this may just be the climax for her confrontation with sasuke, that after all the antagonism, this is more or less the high point of it and some of sakuras resolution would be coming to terms with herself on this stuff. Hey its not the best but if it helps her become a complete character, to overcome this idealism love she had then thats all I say is needed.

 

Seriously, after today I had a mix of fun seeing SS just at the point of no return, at this point, even with what sasuke said, there is just no point, no way in hell SS could even be acceptable, not after all this, espcially not today.

 

But I also had a mix of seeing well, people too over-reactive to this stuff.

 

Now everyone is going "get the raws, get the right translation" when I just again say hold your horses, wait till you see the events unfold, this is the start of something, sakura will be impacted in someway by this after getting out of the genjutsu, and well yeah if that NS stuff is still around and it hasn't been impacted in anyway, how the hell did NS "die?" I mean for gods sake, naruto mentioned the promise within this same chapter, isn't that one of the key factors to our pairing? Isn't that part of the heart of NS?

 

Guys guys guys...

 

Most of you would disagree with me upon this stuff but I say again:

 

-raws wont hold all the answers, we need to see the events unfold themselves, context means one thing, actions mean a whole lot of another. Because just imagine, what if this really is the end of SS, really, what if this is the 3rd times the charm deal where Sakura tried to speak to sasuke and got over it after this time? We honestly just need to wait and see what happens for one thing, another is that, we have a lot of insurance in the form of all that lingering NS elements, it was untouched today, just cause sakura acted the way she did and just cause naruto didn't act out more on this doesn't mean NS is dead or that their relationship was impacted.

 

Geez, I cannot believe I am saying this but, this is the first time I am just going to take a break from this site.

 

I come back every couple of hours, everyone is still in a panic and discussing "kishi butchering things again" or "This was a confusing chapter" or 'Wait is NS dead?" or "We need the raws!"

 

I honestly have to say a few things:

 

'Again kishi isn't "messing around" this stuff is planned freaking weeks, god damn freaking weeks in advance, he is not trolling, this was intended weeks ahead of time.

 

The manga is not going to end by december 6th, seriously, there are still a few plot elements to address these events are not all capable of being finished within just 10 or so mere chapters. It will go a bit longer. I mean this is going to be the "big finale battle" of the manga, so would you expect it to last only 10 chapters or so? I am honestly finding it hard to believe it would be only 10 chapters.

 

Sakuras development isn't done, she is still changing in regards to both of them.

 

Everytime a "shocker" occurs, it could be the start of something. Remember how 615 looked like the end for us? That was the chance NH could have become bigger? Well it didn't. Doesn't it stand to reason that Sakura could get beyond Sasuke at anypoint? That she could move towards naruto? What law of the naruto universe says she cannot move on? Seriously, this is exactly the same kind of BS counter productive to character development that exactly made SS hard to believe in the first place. For all we know this event could be the end of that Sakura crying over Sasuke. Even I find it hard to believe that kishi, after writing a big manga for 15 years, would just have kept this stagnated trait that serves no purpose at this point on a character, on his heroine for crying out loud. This chapter today otherwise to me proved SS is nothing but antagonism, just not acceptable or believable.

 

-We have seen worst and honestly, there is no pleasing the fandom at this point, as some Sakura haters always have reasons to hate her, really this isn't any cataclysmic event, I mean in an ironic twist, doesn't it say that in one way, we should be happy sasuke is the ass he is for even outright saying he has no reason to love her and just act as the single biggest issue to SS?

 

-People have said kishis writing has gone downhill at this point so many times, well when exactly was the downhill part? I still see ups and downs throughout the war, ten tails, and genjutsu arc and some of it is good, some is bad to me, but thats the deal, I have my own opinion as a fan of this series.

 

-I honestly hate how some people go only by raws, that now the japanese words are the biggest evidence to context, while the manga is of course the only acceptable evidence, there is also reason in needing to remember that there is evidence in both

1. The evidence that is still in effect, aka the NS stuff like the development and the hints which were not touched upon in any negative way this chapter, if nothing NS related occured, then how the hell could it be impacted? All I saw today was nothing but harm upon SS.

2. There is evidence in story structure, seriously, can anyone tell me, depsite the writing issues and oddities at times, that NH or SS still makes sense beyond NS? NH is infrequent and at this point it would only happen simply because she loves him depsite all these issues for it that say NS has a better chance to occur. And no SS as said before, after today, has no chance, has no reason, has no purpose, no rational, no acceptablity.

 

I don't like going by just raws. This is a manga with plenty of visual clues and panels and story structure logic as well for one to interpret what is capable of occuring and what is incapable of occuring and at this point, it still simply can be said that NS has the best chance, NH the second best, but SS no reason at all. I don't go by just words, I go by the elements we are given, the pictures, the inference of what could come, the development that remains untouched at times until it comes back, if its not occuring then it cannot be impacted for a time.

 

The deal of the NS development is that, it didn't happen this chapter, then it didnt get impacted or effected. As far as I am concerned nothing impacted naruto and sakuras relationship this chapter. And I still see plenty of reason for it.

 

I don't run on just raws because even if it is okay, she still loves him, does this change anything for SS? No, and likewise it would still not change anything for NS in any negative way. No matter the translation, it doesn't take a genius to figure out Sasuke doesn't love sakura, mocked her, and naruto is still intent on his promise to her. Aka Naruto still loves Sakura as she still has this antagonistic love for Sasuke. But again, we have also had this constant deal of sakura changing and it still remains in effect.

 

I am sorry guys but I cannot stand this negativity, I'm going rogue for a while. Honestly the one thing I could never expect from a day we got a chapter saying just plain how much of an antagonistic mess that SS is, the very chapter just outright showing its not acceptable, reasonable, or even essential to the story. The one just showing how bad it is. Much of our fandom on this site goes insecure.

 

I have seen stuff like this before, but honestly, now even a guy who has a high integrity for this site and the fellow fans, yeah now I am finally out on this for a bit. Maybe the negativity has finally gotten to me, maybe I am just sick of how some others always go "the story is spiraling out of control, kishi is insane, etc.

 

Yeah, I have my opinions but after seeing today, really all I can say is if its that much an issue, than calm down, wait to see what happens, it may get better it may not. Again for all we know Sakura could get over sasuke at last after today's event.

 

I mean let me give you guys a quick history lesson out here:

 

I remember back last year when Sasuke decided to protect the village, everyone thought sasuke was a good guy or naruto failed and hashirama succeeded in convincing sasuke to return to the village basically, did he turn good though? No, we got hints for this stuff ever since 635, and look now, its still naruto there ready to face sasuke and end this. People honestly thought for a time this fight wouldnt happen, but again, fans like me said, it was an enemy of my enemy type deal, even then, we got moments we enjoyed after 615 "made NH canon" and look what has happened since then, NH has not gone anywhere, its literally just a dream right now, SS got hammered again and again with negativity, and NS just got more events and important moments and hints, I mean we know the hint is still around after it came up 3 weeks ago, so how the heck is this somehow a dark sign for us today? Guys guys guys, I frankly am just strained out on just seeing so much panicking and depression... some thought 685 would bring SS stuff and today if anything proved that was not the case at all. Today was as negative as SS could ever get and if SS fans think they won, this is literally like trying to claim victory when your own base is been conquered and ruined to the ground. Again for all we know this is just the start of something else, it could go in a way that benefits us.

 

All again I say is, I don't rely on the raws, I take the other past elements, the stuff still in effect, the story logic, the idea of what can occur, not just going on the context. I take more of a whole deal thing for my predictions and speculation on future chapters rather than just go "oh kishi sucks and is bringing everything to kitten for the story" No because its easy to see how much of a mess he could bring with SS, NH, or Sakura still loving Sasuke like nothing changed or mattered, its easy to see the mess this is, but I don't like to envision this, because I honestly would find this hard after such a long story for it to be like this didn't matter in the start or end in some way. Like if she never learned something then it would be dumb and the love subplot would be a complete failure, even for NS being the only acceptable resolution for it at this point, but for what its worth, even I doubt kishi would go off the deep end as much as some hope, the very fears some people and other NS fans have is the same as the insane thoughts and hopes that SS and NH fans have that just make the entirety of SS, NH, and Sakura never changing even harder to believe than Naruto and sasuke not having their final fight. I mean come on, kishi is not the best writer, but I doubt he is going to be that bad, because any reader could tell what a mess the other 2 pairings are and that Sakura, herself, even she has to change in some regard towards sasuke rather than just suffer in antagonism or just smile after the storm has passed simply because she hoped. I mean naruto and sasuke changed, surely she will too, maybe its taking effect now or it will take longer, but at this point, I have said all I could.

 

I'm outta here for a while.

 

For anyone that has agreed with me or took the time to see my posts, thank you for the comments. I have my opinions and views but for what its worth, just to make you happy remember,

 

-we still have the lead

-our pairing is fine

-ours is the only one acceptable for any means to ending the love subplot

 

take a breather from naruto if you are concerned, me I feel fine, nothing changed in regards to NS today, just a deathblow to SS.

 

and finally:

 

 

I may see you guys in 5 days or so, because guess its time I took my break from this site after today. Hope those of you concerned in anyway from today feel better in the coming week. See you guys around.

[Fenris]

You sure? I think someone here said that it was definitely present tense..

Not buying anything till I can see for myself and people have valid evidence, haha. I'll even wait for the Viz translation.

 

I can say the translation from Kakashi was that Sakura actually wanted the krabby patty secret formula, and people may actually believe it. 

 

So, imo, I'm just gonna wait.

 

Even then if it is present tense, this chapter was still Anti SS. Sakura will get a wake up call soon.

Edited by Fenris, 26 September 2014 - 02:45 AM.

[Gojira]

Really despite this mess as people made, I can honestly give you a simple solution:

 

We know SS is pretty much otherwise been proven just incapable and unacceptable to the story at this point, even when sasuke goes out saying its practically a good question in itself. I still say this is the chapter of no return for SS, because seriously at this point would people still expect sakura to just be the same?

YES!!!!

 

She was the same after he knocked her the kitten out and said she was annoying after she poured her heart out to him after all the murder attempts and him putting her down why would she change her mind just because she was rejected again. 

[AzureWaters]

I just found this on Narutoforums:
 

I just found part of the original script of chapter 693. And here it is.
It's incomplete but I'll give my opinion.
-----------------
「私にはどうすることも出来ないって本当は分かってる　大好きなのに…！！
サスケくんをこんなに想っているのに…..！！ー」
"In truth, I know that won't be able to do anything, even though I love you. Even though I care so much about you.

「でも….でもサスケくん！少しでも…少しでも私のことが心の隅っこにあるのなら…お願い！
But, But Sasuke-kun ! If there's a place in a corner of your heart where you think about me ... please

お願いもう遠くへいかないで….！ずっと一緒にいれば…いつか..昔みたいに….」
Please, don't go far away from me. If we stay together, eveything will become like in the old days. ( She says "it will become like before" in reality, but it's a bit plain. )

「お前は　本当にうざいな」
Sasuke : You really are annoying.

Point is, in japanese Sakura was not using the past tense.
I found this, so I might as well give it tou you guys.
If you know japanese, feel free to make you own opinion.
 

I'm not certain how RAWs can be released this early in the week and tbh I really hope this is fake. Not just for NaruSaku but for Sakura's character. She cried and begged Sasuke and it was disgusting and degrading. She deserves better and that's something Kishi should understand. =/

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Really despite this mess as people made, I can honestly give you a simple solution:
 
We know SS is pretty much otherwise been proven just incapable and unacceptable to the story at this point, even when sasuke goes out saying its practically a good question in itself. I still say this is the chapter of no return for SS, because seriously at this point would people still expect sakura to just be the same? I don't expect her to be the same like this throughout the whole story, that just doesn't solve anything and yes this goes in line with the next thing I will say:
 
All that NS stuff is still there, it wasn't impacted, it hasn't come to full effect. This ordeal today didn't impact or show how she feels about naruto now did it? No, and that itself has been a constant question in the series, even then any fan can ask why does sakura have the better relationship with naruto yet not love him? What is kishi even doing in this case with stuff like today?
 
Really all I can say is, what is "shocking" for now will be made into sense later on, for all purposes this could be the start of something we would actually like, who knows this deal could lead to NS for all we know as unlikely as it may seem.
 
But again, as long as those NS development and hints have still been around and untouched by all these events, it hasn't been effected or harmed in the least, hell that whole deal of the promise to me says that naruto is still intent on the promise, still loving sakura, and still unable to confess to her.
 
At this point this chapter otherwise proved that SS is just antagonism, just plain clear cut antagonism on Sakura and this could have been the setup for her to overcome it as lackluster as some may see it.
 
We have had chapters like this before, I mean just a few weeks ago with kagyua people were dissapointed by what Sakura did but in all honesty, I was expecting that some event in the future would be confrontive with sakura in regards to sasuke and likewise, the deal of NS going canon over SS, long long ago I said it would take some event, some gradual progress.
 
That gradual progress of her towards naruto already exists, its just not fully answered, but the deal with sasuke, to move away, this may be the start of it.
 
People constantly think sakura is just love locked on sasuke, that is impossible for her to change. Well the oldest/heaviest mental traits tend to be the longest to change and for one case, Sakura loving Sasuke would be part of that gradual progress and if NS is to go canon, this may just be the climax for her confrontation with sasuke, that after all the antagonism, this is more or less the high point of it and some of sakuras resolution would be coming to terms with herself on this stuff. Hey its not the best but if it helps her become a complete character, to overcome this idealism love she had then thats all I say is needed.
 
Seriously, after today I had a mix of fun seeing SS just at the point of no return, at this point, even with what sasuke said, there is just no point, no way in hell SS could even be acceptable, not after all this, espcially not today.
 
But I also had a mix of seeing well, people too over-reactive to this stuff.
 
Now everyone is going "get the raws, get the right translation" when I just again say hold your horses, wait till you see the events unfold, this is the start of something, sakura will be impacted in someway by this after getting out of the genjutsu, and well yeah if that NS stuff is still around and it hasn't been impacted in anyway, how the hell did NS "die?" I mean for gods sake, naruto mentioned the promise within this same chapter, isn't that one of the key factors to our pairing? Isn't that part of the heart of NS?
 
Guys guys guys...
 
Most of you would disagree with me upon this stuff but I say again:
 
-raws wont hold all the answers, we need to see the events unfold themselves, context means one thing, actions mean a whole lot of another. Because just imagine, what if this really is the end of SS, really, what if this is the 3rd times the charm deal where Sakura tried to speak to sasuke and got over it after this time? We honestly just need to wait and see what happens for one thing, another is that, we have a lot of insurance in the form of all that lingering NS elements, it was untouched today, just cause sakura acted the way she did and just cause naruto didn't act out more on this doesn't mean NS is dead or that their relationship was impacted.
 
Geez, I cannot believe I am saying this but, this is the first time I am just going to take a break from this site.
 
I come back every couple of hours, everyone is still in a panic and discussing "kishi butchering things again" or "This was a confusing chapter" or 'Wait is NS dead?" or "We need the raws!"
 
I honestly have to say a few things:
 
'Again kishi isn't "messing around" this stuff is planned freaking weeks, god damn freaking weeks in advance, he is not trolling, this was intended weeks ahead of time.
 
The manga is not going to end by december 6th, seriously, there are still a few plot elements to address these events are not all capable of being finished within just 10 or so mere chapters. It will go a bit longer. I mean this is going to be the "big finale battle" of the manga, so would you expect it to last only 10 chapters or so? I am honestly finding it hard to believe it would be only 10 chapters.
 
Sakuras development isn't done, she is still changing in regards to both of them.
 
Everytime a "shocker" occurs, it could be the start of something. Remember how 615 looked like the end for us? That was the chance NH could have become bigger? Well it didn't. Doesn't it stand to reason that Sakura could get beyond Sasuke at anypoint? That she could move towards naruto? What law of the naruto universe says she cannot move on? Seriously, this is exactly the same kind of BS counter productive to character development that exactly made SS hard to believe in the first place. For all we know this event could be the end of that Sakura crying over Sasuke. Even I find it hard to believe that kishi, after writing a big manga for 15 years, would just have kept this stagnated trait that serves no purpose at this point on a character, on his heroine for crying out loud. This chapter today otherwise to me proved SS is nothing but antagonism, just not acceptable or believable.
 
-We have seen worst and honestly, there is no pleasing the fandom at this point, as some Sakura haters always have reasons to hate her, really this isn't any cataclysmic event, I mean in an ironic twist, doesn't it say that in one way, we should be happy sasuke is the ass he is for even outright saying he has no reason to love her and just act as the single biggest issue to SS?
 
-People have said kishis writing has gone downhill at this point so many times, well when exactly was the downhill part? I still see ups and downs throughout the war, ten tails, and genjutsu arc and some of it is good, some is bad to me, but thats the deal, I have my own opinion as a fan of this series.
 
-I honestly hate how some people go only by raws, that now the japanese words are the biggest evidence to context, while the manga is of course the only acceptable evidence, there is also reason in needing to remember that there is evidence in both
1. The evidence that is still in effect, aka the NS stuff like the development and the hints which were not touched upon in any negative way this chapter, if nothing NS related occured, then how the hell could it be impacted? All I saw today was nothing but harm upon SS.
2. There is evidence in story structure, seriously, can anyone tell me, depsite the writing issues and oddities at times, that NH or SS still makes sense beyond NS? NH is infrequent and at this point it would only happen simply because she loves him depsite all these issues for it that say NS has a better chance to occur. And no SS as said before, after today, has no chance, has no reason, has no purpose, no rational, no acceptablity.
 
I don't like going by just raws. This is a manga with plenty of visual clues and panels and story structure logic as well for one to interpret what is capable of occuring and what is incapable of occuring and at this point, it still simply can be said that NS has the best chance, NH the second best, but SS no reason at all. I don't go by just words, I go by the elements we are given, the pictures, the inference of what could come, the development that remains untouched at times until it comes back, if its not occuring then it cannot be impacted for a time.
 
The deal of the NS development is that, it didn't happen this chapter, then it didnt get impacted or effected. As far as I am concerned nothing impacted naruto and sakuras relationship this chapter. And I still see plenty of reason for it.
 
I don't run on just raws because even if it is okay, she still loves him, does this change anything for SS? No, and likewise it would still not change anything for NS in any negative way. No matter the translation, it doesn't take a genius to figure out Sasuke doesn't love sakura, mocked her, and naruto is still intent on his promise to her. Aka Naruto still loves Sakura as she still has this antagonistic love for Sasuke. But again, we have also had this constant deal of sakura changing and it still remains in effect.
 
I am sorry guys but I cannot stand this negativity, I'm going rogue for a while. Honestly the one thing I could never expect from a day we got a chapter saying just plain how much of an antagonistic mess that SS is, the very chapter just outright showing its not acceptable, reasonable, or even essential to the story. The one just showing how bad it is. Much of our fandom on this site goes insecure.
 
I have seen stuff like this before, but honestly, now even a guy who has a high integrity for this site and the fellow fans, yeah now I am finally out on this for a bit. Maybe the negativity has finally gotten to me, maybe I am just sick of how some others always go "the story is spiraling out of control, kishi is insane, etc.
 
Yeah, I have my opinions but after seeing today, really all I can say is if its that much an issue, than calm down, wait to see what happens, it may get better it may not. Again for all we know Sakura could get over sasuke at last after today's event.
 
I mean let me give you guys a quick history lesson out here:
 
I remember back last year when Sasuke decided to protect the village, everyone thought sasuke was a good guy or naruto failed and hashirama succeeded in convincing sasuke to return to the village basically, did he turn good though? No, we got hints for this stuff ever since 635, and look now, its still naruto there ready to face sasuke and end this. People honestly thought for a time this fight wouldnt happen, but again, fans like me said, it was an enemy of my enemy type deal, even then, we got moments we enjoyed after 615 "made NH canon" and look what has happened since then, NH has not gone anywhere, its literally just a dream right now, SS got hammered again and again with negativity, and NS just got more events and important moments and hints, I mean we know the hint is still around after it came up 3 weeks ago, so how the heck is this somehow a dark sign for us today? Guys guys guys, I frankly am just strained out on just seeing so much panicking and depression... some thought 685 would bring SS stuff and today if anything proved that was not the case at all. Today was as negative as SS could ever get and if SS fans think they won, this is literally like trying to claim victory when your own base is been conquered and ruined to the ground. Again for all we know this is just the start of something else, it could go in a way that benefits us.
 
All again I say is, I don't rely on the raws, I take the other past elements, the stuff still in effect, the story logic, the idea of what can occur, not just going on the context. I take more of a whole deal thing for my predictions and speculation on future chapters rather than just go "oh kishi sucks and is bringing everything to kitten for the story" No because its easy to see how much of a mess he could bring with SS, NH, or Sakura still loving Sasuke like nothing changed or mattered, its easy to see the mess this is, but I don't like to envision this, because I honestly would find this hard after such a long story for it to be like this didn't matter in the start or end in some way. Like if she never learned something then it would be dumb and the love subplot would be a complete failure, even for NS being the only acceptable resolution for it at this point, but for what its worth, even I doubt kishi would go off the deep end as much as some hope, the very fears some people and other NS fans have is the same as the insane thoughts and hopes that SS and NH fans have that just make the entirety of SS, NH, and Sakura never changing even harder to believe than Naruto and sasuke not having their final fight. I mean come on, kishi is not the best writer, but I doubt he is going to be that bad, because any reader could tell what a mess the other 2 pairings are and that Sakura, herself, even she has to change in some regard towards sasuke rather than just suffer in antagonism or just smile after the storm has passed simply because she hoped. I mean naruto and sasuke changed, surely she will too, maybe its taking effect now or it will take longer, but at this point, I have said all I could.
 
I'm outta here for a while.
 
For anyone that has agreed with me or took the time to see my posts, thank you for the comments. I have my opinions and views but for what its worth, just to make you happy remember,
 
-we still have the lead
-our pairing is fine
-ours is the only one acceptable for any means to ending the love subplot
 
take a breather from naruto if you are concerned, me I feel fine, nothing changed in regards to NS today, just a deathblow to SS.
 
and finally:
 

 
I may see you guys in 5 days or so, because guess its time I took my break from this site after today. Hope those of you concerned in anyway from today feel better in the coming week. See you guys around.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=QM0dbwDc2FE

[ultranx]

Also to all you guys talking about the mother part, was it ever referenced how sasuke felt about his mom or dad specifically? No it wasn't, so how do you know this isn't a new thing hinting at a little flash back? plus why would he be talking about the love of his own mother when the whole point of what he was saying was the ashura indra reincarnation thing, and they are not a reincarnation of him? think about it for a sec instead of jumping to conclusions like this. and also, how do you know the manga will end right when the movie comes out and not just during the same month or a little later? there could be more than 7 chapters left.

[Lilac]

Also to all you guys talking about the mother part, was it ever referenced how sasuke felt about his mom or dad specifically? No it wasn't, so how do you know this isn't a new thing hinting at a little flash back? plus why would he be talking about the love of his own mother when the whole point of what he was saying was the ashura indra reincarnation thing, and they are not a reincarnation of him? think about it for a sec instead of jumping to conclusions like this. and also, how do you know the manga will end right when the movie comes out and not just during the same month or a little later? there could be more than 7 chapters left.

 

The mother thing is from the MP translation. The translation with the past tense, lol.

[Gojira]

I believe the whole point Kishi's trying to get across is that Sakura will always love Sasuke but she'll end up with Naruto. 

 

Sure he'll have her save Naruto instead of Sasuke to make it seem like he isn't second choice but at this point there's no denying that Naruto is a silver medal and Sasuke is the kittening golden chalice that can't be touched. 

Edited by Pepsi, 26 September 2014 - 02:53 AM.

[Fenris]

Really despite this mess as people made, I can honestly give you a simple solution:

 

We know SS is pretty much otherwise been proven just incapable and unacceptable to the story at this point, even when sasuke goes out saying its practically a good question in itself. I still say this is the chapter of no return for SS, because seriously at this point would people still expect sakura to just be the same? I don't expect her to be the same like this throughout the whole story, that just doesn't solve anything and yes this goes in line with the next thing I will say:

 

All that NS stuff is still there, it wasn't impacted, it hasn't come to full effect. This ordeal today didn't impact or show how she feels about naruto now did it? No, and that itself has been a constant question in the series, even then any fan can ask why does sakura have the better relationship with naruto yet not love him? What is kishi even doing in this case with stuff like today?

 

Really all I can say is, what is "shocking" for now will be made into sense later on, for all purposes this could be the start of something we would actually like, who knows this deal could lead to NS for all we know as unlikely as it may seem.

 

But again, as long as those NS development and hints have still been around and untouched by all these events, it hasn't been effected or harmed in the least, hell that whole deal of the promise to me says that naruto is still intent on the promise, still loving sakura, and still unable to confess to her.

 

At this point this chapter otherwise proved that SS is just antagonism, just plain clear cut antagonism on Sakura and this could have been the setup for her to overcome it as lackluster as some may see it.

 

We have had chapters like this before, I mean just a few weeks ago with kagyua people were dissapointed by what Sakura did but in all honesty, I was expecting that some event in the future would be confrontive with sakura in regards to sasuke and likewise, the deal of NS going canon over SS, long long ago I said it would take some event, some gradual progress.

 

That gradual progress of her towards naruto already exists, its just not fully answered, but the deal with sasuke, to move away, this may be the start of it.

 

People constantly think sakura is just love locked on sasuke, that is impossible for her to change. Well the oldest/heaviest mental traits tend to be the longest to change and for one case, Sakura loving Sasuke would be part of that gradual progress and if NS is to go canon, this may just be the climax for her confrontation with sasuke, that after all the antagonism, this is more or less the high point of it and some of sakuras resolution would be coming to terms with herself on this stuff. Hey its not the best but if it helps her become a complete character, to overcome this idealism love she had then thats all I say is needed.

 

Seriously, after today I had a mix of fun seeing SS just at the point of no return, at this point, even with what sasuke said, there is just no point, no way in hell SS could even be acceptable, not after all this, espcially not today.

 

But I also had a mix of seeing well, people too over-reactive to this stuff.

 

Now everyone is going "get the raws, get the right translation" when I just again say hold your horses, wait till you see the events unfold, this is the start of something, sakura will be impacted in someway by this after getting out of the genjutsu, and well yeah if that NS stuff is still around and it hasn't been impacted in anyway, how the hell did NS "die?" I mean for gods sake, naruto mentioned the promise within this same chapter, isn't that one of the key factors to our pairing? Isn't that part of the heart of NS?

 

Guys guys guys...

 

Most of you would disagree with me upon this stuff but I say again:

 

-raws wont hold all the answers, we need to see the events unfold themselves, context means one thing, actions mean a whole lot of another. Because just imagine, what if this really is the end of SS, really, what if this is the 3rd times the charm deal where Sakura tried to speak to sasuke and got over it after this time? We honestly just need to wait and see what happens for one thing, another is that, we have a lot of insurance in the form of all that lingering NS elements, it was untouched today, just cause sakura acted the way she did and just cause naruto didn't act out more on this doesn't mean NS is dead or that their relationship was impacted.

 

Geez, I cannot believe I am saying this but, this is the first time I am just going to take a break from this site.

 

I come back every couple of hours, everyone is still in a panic and discussing "kishi butchering things again" or "This was a confusing chapter" or 'Wait is NS dead?" or "We need the raws!"

 

I honestly have to say a few things:

 

'Again kishi isn't "messing around" this stuff is planned freaking weeks, god damn freaking weeks in advance, he is not trolling, this was intended weeks ahead of time.

 

The manga is not going to end by december 6th, seriously, there are still a few plot elements to address these events are not all capable of being finished within just 10 or so mere chapters. It will go a bit longer. I mean this is going to be the "big finale battle" of the manga, so would you expect it to last only 10 chapters or so? I am honestly finding it hard to believe it would be only 10 chapters.

 

Sakuras development isn't done, she is still changing in regards to both of them.

 

Everytime a "shocker" occurs, it could be the start of something. Remember how 615 looked like the end for us? That was the chance NH could have become bigger? Well it didn't. Doesn't it stand to reason that Sakura could get beyond Sasuke at anypoint? That she could move towards naruto? What law of the naruto universe says she cannot move on? Seriously, this is exactly the same kind of BS counter productive to character development that exactly made SS hard to believe in the first place. For all we know this event could be the end of that Sakura crying over Sasuke. Even I find it hard to believe that kishi, after writing a big manga for 15 years, would just have kept this stagnated trait that serves no purpose at this point on a character, on his heroine for crying out loud. This chapter today otherwise to me proved SS is nothing but antagonism, just not acceptable or believable.

 

-We have seen worst and honestly, there is no pleasing the fandom at this point, as some Sakura haters always have reasons to hate her, really this isn't any cataclysmic event, I mean in an ironic twist, doesn't it say that in one way, we should be happy sasuke is the ass he is for even outright saying he has no reason to love her and just act as the single biggest issue to SS?

 

-People have said kishis writing has gone downhill at this point so many times, well when exactly was the downhill part? I still see ups and downs throughout the war, ten tails, and genjutsu arc and some of it is good, some is bad to me, but thats the deal, I have my own opinion as a fan of this series.

 

-I honestly hate how some people go only by raws, that now the japanese words are the biggest evidence to context, while the manga is of course the only acceptable evidence, there is also reason in needing to remember that there is evidence in both

1. The evidence that is still in effect, aka the NS stuff like the development and the hints which were not touched upon in any negative way this chapter, if nothing NS related occured, then how the hell could it be impacted? All I saw today was nothing but harm upon SS.

2. There is evidence in story structure, seriously, can anyone tell me, depsite the writing issues and oddities at times, that NH or SS still makes sense beyond NS? NH is infrequent and at this point it would only happen simply because she loves him depsite all these issues for it that say NS has a better chance to occur. And no SS as said before, after today, has no chance, has no reason, has no purpose, no rational, no acceptablity.

 

I don't like going by just raws. This is a manga with plenty of visual clues and panels and story structure logic as well for one to interpret what is capable of occuring and what is incapable of occuring and at this point, it still simply can be said that NS has the best chance, NH the second best, but SS no reason at all. I don't go by just words, I go by the elements we are given, the pictures, the inference of what could come, the development that remains untouched at times until it comes back, if its not occuring then it cannot be impacted for a time.

 

The deal of the NS development is that, it didn't happen this chapter, then it didnt get impacted or effected. As far as I am concerned nothing impacted naruto and sakuras relationship this chapter. And I still see plenty of reason for it.

 

I don't run on just raws because even if it is okay, she still loves him, does this change anything for SS? No, and likewise it would still not change anything for NS in any negative way. No matter the translation, it doesn't take a genius to figure out Sasuke doesn't love sakura, mocked her, and naruto is still intent on his promise to her. Aka Naruto still loves Sakura as she still has this antagonistic love for Sasuke. But again, we have also had this constant deal of sakura changing and it still remains in effect.

 

I am sorry guys but I cannot stand this negativity, I'm going rogue for a while. Honestly the one thing I could never expect from a day we got a chapter saying just plain how much of an antagonistic mess that SS is, the very chapter just outright showing its not acceptable, reasonable, or even essential to the story. The one just showing how bad it is. Much of our fandom on this site goes insecure.

 

I have seen stuff like this before, but honestly, now even a guy who has a high integrity for this site and the fellow fans, yeah now I am finally out on this for a bit. Maybe the negativity has finally gotten to me, maybe I am just sick of how some others always go "the story is spiraling out of control, kishi is insane, etc.

 

Yeah, I have my opinions but after seeing today, really all I can say is if its that much an issue, than calm down, wait to see what happens, it may get better it may not. Again for all we know Sakura could get over sasuke at last after today's event.

 

I mean let me give you guys a quick history lesson out here:

 

I remember back last year when Sasuke decided to protect the village, everyone thought sasuke was a good guy or naruto failed and hashirama succeeded in convincing sasuke to return to the village basically, did he turn good though? No, we got hints for this stuff ever since 635, and look now, its still naruto there ready to face sasuke and end this. People honestly thought for a time this fight wouldnt happen, but again, fans like me said, it was an enemy of my enemy type deal, even then, we got moments we enjoyed after 615 "made NH canon" and look what has happened since then, NH has not gone anywhere, its literally just a dream right now, SS got hammered again and again with negativity, and NS just got more events and important moments and hints, I mean we know the hint is still around after it came up 3 weeks ago, so how the heck is this somehow a dark sign for us today? Guys guys guys, I frankly am just strained out on just seeing so much panicking and depression... some thought 685 would bring SS stuff and today if anything proved that was not the case at all. Today was as negative as SS could ever get and if SS fans think they won, this is literally like trying to claim victory when your own base is been conquered and ruined to the ground. Again for all we know this is just the start of something else, it could go in a way that benefits us.

 

All again I say is, I don't rely on the raws, I take the other past elements, the stuff still in effect, the story logic, the idea of what can occur, not just going on the context. I take more of a whole deal thing for my predictions and speculation on future chapters rather than just go "oh kishi sucks and is bringing everything to kitten for the story" No because its easy to see how much of a mess he could bring with SS, NH, or Sakura still loving Sasuke like nothing changed or mattered, its easy to see the mess this is, but I don't like to envision this, because I honestly would find this hard after such a long story for it to be like this didn't matter in the start or end in some way. Like if she never learned something then it would be dumb and the love subplot would be a complete failure, even for NS being the only acceptable resolution for it at this point, but for what its worth, even I doubt kishi would go off the deep end as much as some hope, the very fears some people and other NS fans have is the same as the insane thoughts and hopes that SS and NH fans have that just make the entirety of SS, NH, and Sakura never changing even harder to believe than Naruto and sasuke not having their final fight. I mean come on, kishi is not the best writer, but I doubt he is going to be that bad, because any reader could tell what a mess the other 2 pairings are and that Sakura, herself, even she has to change in some regard towards sasuke rather than just suffer in antagonism or just smile after the storm has passed simply because she hoped. I mean naruto and sasuke changed, surely she will too, maybe its taking effect now or it will take longer, but at this point, I have said all I could.

 

I'm outta here for a while.

 

For anyone that has agreed with me or took the time to see my posts, thank you for the comments. I have my opinions and views but for what its worth, just to make you happy remember,

 

-we still have the lead

-our pairing is fine

-ours is the only one acceptable for any means to ending the love subplot

 

take a breather from naruto if you are concerned, me I feel fine, nothing changed in regards to NS today, just a deathblow to SS.

 

and finally:

 

 

I may see you guys in 5 days or so, because guess its time I took my break from this site after today. Hope those of you concerned in anyway from today feel better in the coming week. See you guys around.

This was the best thing I read all day. 

 

We will only prevail from this.

 

[ultranx]

 

.No..? If she uses past tense, then it doesn't make sense for Sasuke to use present. I'm just pointing out that MP has some issues with past and present. Like how they messed up could/can, and so on.

You missed my point entirely, yes it does make sense, tell me, how is he gonna know how sakura feels when he hasn't actually been around her for 3 years? Therefore it doesn't matter if she said past tense, he could still say present tense and think she still loves him because he doesn't know how she feels because he no longer actually KNOWS her.

[Dragunov]

>muh otp 

 

someone help