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Posted 07 September 2019 - 04:51 PM

 

That's.............. what several of us have always been saying. As far as tsunderes go, even the most extremely "violent and over the top ones" get a pass in general from the (western) weaboos, where as Sakura is evil incarnate for daring to hit Naruto and be all gaga over Sasuke. But don't get me wrong, those tsunderes will have their nay sayers and are actually quite divisive in their series' fan base as well but you don't see them being outright demonized and HATED for being a tsundere like Sakura has. Plus on the opposite end of the spectrum, since when has has an anime character type like Hinata EVER been as popular as the "aforementioned Hinata?" You'd swear you'd be losing your mind with that double standard kitten right there

People go gaga over Louise (Zero no Tsukaima / Familiar of Zero) and she literally treated Saito like both an abused servant AND a dog for the first chunk of the story.


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Posted 07 September 2019 - 05:02 PM

People go gaga over Louise (Zero no Tsukaima / Familiar of Zero) and she literally treated Saito like both an abused servant AND a dog for the first chunk of the story.

Yeah, but I loved Louise. I'm sorry. XD



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Posted 07 September 2019 - 09:27 PM

Oh yeah that's fine. I'm just saying that there are a lot of kookoo loonies that say Sakura is Naruto's Satan equivalent for being a tsundere, but much worse tsunderes than her are loved and put on a pedestal. Again there is nothing wrong with loving tsundere characters and I'm not judging, only wondering what the difference is then between Sakura and any other tsundere in anime. Although I already have my theory and the behaviour that I analyze from NH fanatics seem to confirm it 


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 12:55 AM

Oh yeah that's fine. I'm just saying that there are a lot of kookoo loonies that say Sakura is Naruto's Satan equivalent for being a tsundere, but much worse tsunderes than her are loved and put on a pedestal. Again there is nothing wrong with loving tsundere characters and I'm not judging, only wondering what the difference is then between Sakura and any other tsundere in anime. Although I already have my theory and the behaviour that I analyze from NH fanatics seem to confirm it 


Maybe they need to be locked up then, because that sounds unhealthy of them.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 02:24 AM

Oh yeah that's fine. I'm just saying that there are a lot of kookoo loonies that say Sakura is Naruto's Satan equivalent for being a tsundere, but much worse tsunderes than her are loved and put on a pedestal. Again there is nothing wrong with loving tsundere characters and I'm not judging, only wondering what the difference is then between Sakura and any other tsundere in anime. Although I already have my theory and the behaviour that I analyze from NH fanatics seem to confirm it

besides there's other people to hate in Naruto that have done worst than Sakura, like danzo, obito, marada and orochimaru, but I guess them committing murder and genocide mean nothing compared to Sakura hitting naruto sorry these haters of Sakura are not human there monsters.
  

Maybe they need to be locked up then, because that sounds unhealthy of them.

Clockwork orange there ass.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 01:38 PM

Well here we go the epic continuation of Phatnom_999's Naruto love triangle argument lol.

 

So we've covered SS, We've covered NH, now let's delve into the the realm of NaruSaku shall we. But before we get into it and trust me I' m VERY excited to finally be posting this, remember what I said in my last comment about how Naruto not being a romance manga is not an excuse? Well the fact of the matter is if that WAS TRUE why were those moments between Naruto and Sakura ever present? Why delve so deeply and not to mention in detail about how they develop an emotional bond and are each other's main source of comfort when the other is in distress? Why do they not seek other friends to pour open their sadness and anguish at those times? Why doesn't Sakura consult Ino or Naruto go to Hinata for a much needed talk for instance, if NH was the end game and Sakura needed an person to confide in until the sexy B@$t@rd boyfriend Sasuke Uchiha returns to her arms? Why is it that Naruto and Sakura confide in each other their weak sides and show themselves fully to each other but not any of their other friends? And as you can see they are NOT lacking in that regard. It is more than just because they are squad mates because I don't care what the excuse is, if you can confide in someone you fears, pains and failures, there is a deep emotional intimacy there. An even better question, If Naruto is NOT A ROMANCE manga, then why did Naruto and Hinata need a movie dedicated to their romance instead of just leaving it to the readers/viewers interpretation of how they got together and not elaborate on it like Dragon Ball. That is what "not a romance series is", you don't delve into the specifics of a romance, they are just taken at face value and there is so little teasing at a couple if at all that whoever a character gets together with does not have to make narrative sense or need an explanation because again there was little focus OR NONE. But you see the story going out of it's way to have Naruto keeping his bond with Sakura strong when Team 7 was broken up and they are barely seen with Kakashi anymore. Now with that out of the way Let's begin.

 

We start with Sakura's introduction in Chapter three. Naruto introduces her as a cute girl that he likes a lot. Not a a romance manga you say? Then that part is not even needed. Sakura though does not enjoy Naruto's company to say the least, and instead turns red when in the popular "bad boy" Sasuke's presence. Now the teams are formed and by coincidence (or so it is suppose to be) Naruto is teamed up with Sakura, his crush, and Sasuke, his sworn rival. Sakura of course wastes no time to get Sasuke's attention and tells Naruto he is annoying her when he tries to talk to her and to get lost. Naruto at this point wants really wants to get Sakura to like him and so catches Sasuke off guard and ties him up, then transforms into him to charm Sakura. Sakura meets up with "Sasuke" who compliments her forehead. This is SIGNIFICANT because Sakura always hated her forehead and in fact was bullied over it as a young girl.  "Sasuke" then asks what she thinks of Naruto and Sakura says, to be blunt, Naruto is an obnoxious loud mouth, and wanted approval from someone she likes which Naruto realized he could relate to. Sakura then tries to give "Sasuke" a smooch which is interrupted by a carton of expired milk. Sakura then meets the real Sasuke who was looking for Naruto, and Sakura thinking that she had the conversation with him already delves into how annoying she thinks Naruto is and that he probably has it easy cause he has no family to scold him. That hits home for Sasuke who coldly rebukes her as she shows no true understanding of not having a family and calls her annoying which really stung Sakura's feelings. She then realizes that is what Naruto felt when she told him the same and silently tells herself to try be nicer to Naruto. And that, ladies and gentlemen is quite a popular romance building literary device for stories where one character's completely negative behaviour towards another starts to improve, if just a tiny bit. Now onto the Bell test with Kakashi where after the failed attempt to gain a bell from him he criticizes Sakura's lack of care towards Naruto, Naruto's cocky attitude and Sasuke's superiority complex. He then tells Sakura and Sasuke not to give Naruto lunch as punishment for trying to sneak out a box for himself, and tells them they fail the test if either of them try to feed him. Sasuke of course eventually breaks that rule, reasoning out that all of them need to work together to get the bells and Sakura then offers Naruto some of her own lunch. So to supporters of the "Sakura hates Naruto and never gave a flying eff about him" argument, I ask you, would YOU do something nice for someone that YOU HATE if you stand to lose something quite important as in that very scenario? Now obviously that was a bluff to see if they would stick their necks out for each other despite the consequences as Kakashi's belief is that saving a comrade is more important than obeying an order or law. We now move to the first c rank mission for team 7 where Naruto berates himself for cowardice and stabs his hand as a vow to never runaway anymore after panicing in the middle of a brief scuffle with some mist ninjas and Sakura once again, whom SOME of the fan base says despises Naruto with all of her being and only exists to make his life miserable shows worry in the form of angrily snapping at him as to why he would do that to himself? Next is a manga only moment I believe, but Sakura tackled Naruto to the ground when Zabusa's sword came whirling at them. Sakura then has a blush on her face as and supposedly her heart skips a beat when she witnesses Naruto's determination to fight. we then skip to the tree climbing exercise where Naruto in a surprising display of humility asks Sakura if she can give him pointers on chakra control, and she does, again for someone that she "hates and never stopped hating". :zaru:  She didn't tell him to figure it on his own or give Sasuke special treatment by telling him and not Naruto, despite SS shippers and those that won't let go of their first impressions of her thinking that is what she would do.

 

Okay I'm a bit over taxed right now but I WILL get back to this later.  Like I said, I want to fill in as much as I can and there is so much still to say :yes:


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 05:02 PM

Oh yeah that's fine. I'm just saying that there are a lot of kookoo loonies that say Sakura is Naruto's Satan equivalent for being a tsundere, but much worse tsunderes than her are loved and put on a pedestal. Again there is nothing wrong with loving tsundere characters and I'm not judging, only wondering what the difference is then between Sakura and any other tsundere in anime. Although I already have my theory and the behaviour that I analyze from NH fanatics seem to confirm it 

 

It's simple why; people just didn't wanna let go of their first impressions of Sakura just ebcause they failed to see how human she is.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 01:08 PM

 

That's.............. what several of us have always been saying. As far as tsunderes go, even the most extremely "violent and over the top ones" get a pass in general from the (western) weaboos, where as Sakura is evil incarnate for daring to hit Naruto and be all gaga over Sasuke. But don't get me wrong, those tsunderes will have their nay sayers and are actually quite divisive in their series' fan base as well but you don't see them being outright demonized and HATED for being a tsundere like Sakura has. Plus on the opposite end of the spectrum, since when has has an anime character type like Hinata EVER been as popular as the "aforementioned Hinata?" You'd swear you'd be losing your mind with that double standard kitten right there

Yeah. It is ONLY Sakura that gets this abuse from the fandom for only 4 times she ever hit Naruto in a comedic way. You don't even have to look that far...KUSHINA gets a pass even when she hit Naruto directly. I guess mothers get an excuse too. Hell, if HInata struck Boruto...she would get a pass.

Only Sakura gets and I literally mean...ONLY Sakura gets bashed and hated on because "she hit Naruto." Name any other character even in the Naruto series itself that hit Naruto and they get love and hugs. Even that Karui I think her name is that brutally beat Naruto up to the point of a bloody pulp.
 

 

Agreed I feel like I'm losing my mind with this.

 
You're not the only one.
 

 

People go gaga over Louise (Zero no Tsukaima / Familiar of Zero) and she literally treated Saito like both an abused servant AND a dog for the first chunk of the story.

Louise from Zero No Tsukaima
Narusegawa from Love Hina
These two just as example have hit their main love interest more times in one episode than Sakura has hit Naruto in the entire series.

The list just keeps going....but ONLY Sakura gets that much hate. ONLY Sakura.
 

 

Oh yeah that's fine. I'm just saying that there are a lot of kookoo loonies that say Sakura is Naruto's Satan equivalent for being a tsundere, but much worse tsunderes than her are loved and put on a pedestal. Again there is nothing wrong with loving tsundere characters and I'm not judging, only wondering what the difference is then between Sakura and any other tsundere in anime. Although I already have my theory and the behaviour that I analyze from NH fanatics seem to confirm it 

Yeah, Tsundere are meant to be comedic. It is like farts in British comedy. To the Japanese, a tsundere is a very comedic girl. Sometimes overplayed, other times not so much.

Another thing I want to add is is that some want to bring up the fact that the reason why Sakura is bad is because she is obsessed with Sasuke and while I can agree with that, this wouldn't be the first time a tsundere character was loving to another character AT FIRST.

Look at Evangelion with Asuka and Shinji...some people like them as a couple and yet Asuka was obsessed with Kaji. (A much older man..creepy.)
Narusegawa was attracted to her teacher and even attracted to some other guys before Keitaro

I can't think of more examples at the moment, but I know there are more. The point is...whatever reason they give for why Sakura is a bad person...every other single anime girl gets a pass for their transgressions by them. They have no problem with all the other girls being just like Sakura, but Sakura is hated.

Again, this is them admitting that if NaruSaku would have been canon they would have liked Sakura more.


 




 




 


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 03:58 PM

Yeah. It is ONLY Sakura that gets this abuse from the fandom for only 4 times she ever hit Naruto in a comedic way. You don't even have to look that far...KUSHINA gets a pass even when she hit Naruto directly. I guess mothers get an excuse too. Hell, if HInata struck Boruto...she would get a pass.

Only Sakura gets and I literally mean...ONLY Sakura gets bashed and hated on because "she hit Naruto." Name any other character even in the Naruto series itself that hit Naruto and they get love and hugs. Even that Karui I think her name is that brutally beat Naruto up to the point of a bloody pulp.
 

 

 
You're not the only one.
 

 

Louise from Zero No Tsukaima
Narusegawa from Love Hina
These two just as example have hit their main love interest more times in one episode than Sakura has hit Naruto in the entire series.

The list just keeps going....but ONLY Sakura gets that much hate. ONLY Sakura.
 

 

Yeah, Tsundere are meant to be comedic. It is like farts in British comedy. To the Japanese, a tsundere is a very comedic girl. Sometimes overplayed, other times not so much.

Another thing I want to add is is that some want to bring up the fact that the reason why Sakura is bad is because she is obsessed with Sasuke and while I can agree with that, this wouldn't be the first time a tsundere character was loving to another character AT FIRST.

Look at Evangelion with Asuka and Shinji...some people like them as a couple and yet Asuka was obsessed with Kaji. (A much older man..creepy.)
Narusegawa was attracted to her teacher and even attracted to some other guys before Keitaro

I can't think of more examples at the moment, but I know there are more. The point is...whatever reason they give for why Sakura is a bad person...every other single anime girl gets a pass for their transgressions by them. They have no problem with all the other girls being just like Sakura, but Sakura is hated.

Again, this is them admitting that if NaruSaku would have been canon they would have liked Sakura more.


 



 



 

 

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 05:28 PM

Yeah. It is ONLY Sakura that gets this abuse from the fandom for only 4 times she ever hit Naruto in a comedic way. You don't even have to look that far...KUSHINA gets a pass even when she hit Naruto directly. I guess mothers get an excuse too. Hell, if HInata struck Boruto...she would get a pass.
Only Sakura gets and I literally mean...ONLY Sakura gets bashed and hated on because "she hit Naruto." Name any other character even in the Naruto series itself that hit Naruto and they get love and hugs. Even that Karui I think her name is that brutally beat Naruto up to the point of a bloody pulp.
 
 

 
You're not the only one.
 
 


Louise from Zero No Tsukaima
Narusegawa from Love Hina
These two just as example have hit their main love interest more times in one episode than Sakura has hit Naruto in the entire series.
The list just keeps going....but ONLY Sakura gets that much hate. ONLY Sakura.
 
 


Yeah, Tsundere are meant to be comedic. It is like farts in British comedy. To the Japanese, a tsundere is a very comedic girl. Sometimes overplayed, other times not so much.
Another thing I want to add is is that some want to bring up the fact that the reason why Sakura is bad is because she is obsessed with Sasuke and while I can agree with that, this wouldn't be the first time a tsundere character was loving to another character AT FIRST.
Look at Evangelion with Asuka and Shinji...some people like them as a couple and yet Asuka was obsessed with Kaji. (A much older man..creepy.)
Narusegawa was attracted to her teacher and even attracted to some other guys before Keitaro
I can't think of more examples at the moment, but I know there are more. The point is...whatever reason they give for why Sakura is a bad person...every other single anime girl gets a pass for their transgressions by them. They have no problem with all the other girls being just like Sakura, but Sakura is hated.
Again, this is them admitting that if NaruSaku would have been canon they would have liked Sakura more.

First hinata needs to grow a spine to punish her son and we all known hinata will never grow a spine.
I seriously I'm almost 200 episodes into one piece and Nami has hit luffy and the other crew so many more times and yet Nami is awesome, with Sakura it's like burn the witch.
Part 1 Sakura had her flaws Sasuke being a big one. Shippuden seemed like she was getting over him but nope kishi can't kittening write for kitten, sorry no Girl would stay with Sasuke even if he's begging on his knees don't forgive him.
So James think hiei can beat Sasuke in the next death battle?

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 05:49 PM

First hinata needs to grow a spine to punish her son and we all known hinata will never grow a spine.
I seriously I'm almost 200 episodes into one piece and Nami has hit luffy and the other crew so many more times and yet Nami is awesome, with Sakura it's like burn the witch.
Part 1 Sakura had her flaws Sasuke being a big one. Shippuden seemed like she was getting over him but nope kishi can't kittening write for kitten, sorry no Girl would stay with Sasuke even if he's begging on his knees don't forgive him.

How many girls in real life would put up with a man like Sasuke? That is what is so unrealistic about Naruto. No matter the story there has to be some realism put in, but here in Naruto even the the characters themselves are unrealistic. No woman in her right mind would stay with a guy like Sasuke.

Multiple attempts at murder
Abuse both physical and mental
Dead beat dad who can't pay bills.

He treats his daughter nice once and people forgive him of everything. How? Are they so stockholmed to Sasuke that when he finally does something nice they forgive him?

It is sad and ridiculous.
 

So James think hiei can beat Sasuke in the next death battle?

 

I don't know. It will probably be Naruto vs Ichigo all over again.
"Sasuke is faster than light and can blow up moons. That means he can beat anything spiritual Hiei throws at him."
That's basically what happened in the other one.
 


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:06 PM

I don't know. It will probably be Naruto vs Ichigo all over again.

"Sasuke is faster than light and can blow up moons. That means he can beat anything spiritual Hiei throws at him."
That's basically what happened in the other one.

 

Yeah, but I thought Ichigo won his death battle. Guess it's been a while... though Hiei is also fast too, so while Sasuke has more rw power, I'd say it's not gonna be so easy.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:34 PM

How many girls in real life would put up with a man like Sasuke? That is what is so unrealistic about Naruto. No matter the story there has to be some realism put in, but here in Naruto even the the characters themselves are unrealistic. No woman in her right mind would stay with a guy like Sasuke.
Multiple attempts at murder
Abuse both physical and mental
Dead beat dad who can't pay bills.
He treats his daughter nice once and people forgive him of everything. How? Are they so stockholmed to Sasuke that when he finally does something nice they forgive him?
It is sad and ridiculous.
 


I don't know. It will probably be Naruto vs Ichigo all over again.
"Sasuke is faster than light and can blow up moons. That means he can beat anything spiritual Hiei throws at him."
That's basically what happened in the other one.

hmm being to Sarada changes nothing, and no him trying to kill Sakura multiple times no one would want to be with him. Agreed on the bills thing and I don't see why Sakura is waiting for him he's never around like vegeta says goku is never around or abridged vegeta cause he's not wrong.
It's going to be a tough fight but I can assure you hiei is not a push over and I've seen people actually do this fight and hiei usually wins and they used rinnegan Sasuke and hiei still won, plus s class demons are not to be messed with since they could destroy the world and hiei took a hit from mokuro which probably hurt bad.
  

Yeah, but I thought Ichigo won his death battle. Guess it's been a while... though Hiei is also fast too, so while Sasuke has more rw power, I'd say it's not gonna be so easy.

No ichigo lost bad since naruto is so broken.
Hiei is an s-class demon those could destroy the world and hiei dragon of the darkness flame is pretty powerful even for b-ranked demons and up. Besides hiei jagon eye will be useful in countering the Sharigan.

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:46 PM

hmm being to Sarada changes nothing, and no him trying to kill Sakura multiple times no one would want to be with him. Agreed on the bills thing and I don't see why Sakura is waiting for him he's never around like vegeta says goku is never around or abridged vegeta cause he's not wrong.
It's going to be a tough fight but I can assure you hiei is not a push over and I've seen people actually do this fight and hiei usually wins and they used rinnegan Sasuke and hiei still won, plus s class demons are not to be messed with since they could destroy the world and hiei took a hit from mokuro which probably hurt bad.

I hope you are right about Hiei. I did see YuYu Hakusho back in the day I am mostly remember it, but I don't remember details that much admittedly.

Vegeta, canonically, actually told Goku he is a bad father when Goku said he was not around when either of his kids were born.
 


No ichigo lost bad since naruto is so broken.
Hiei is an s-class demon those could destroy the world and hiei dragon of the darkness flame is pretty powerful even for b-ranked demons and up. Besides hiei jagon eye will be useful in countering the Sharigan

 

Yeah, Ichigo lost so insultingly although I'd argue if Bleach were to keep going, Ichigo would be more broken than Naruto by now.

 


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 07:28 PM

I hope you are right about Hiei. I did see YuYu Hakusho back in the day I am mostly remember it, but I don't remember details that much admittedly.
Vegeta, canonically, actually told Goku he is a bad father when Goku said he was not around when either of his kids were born.
 


Yeah, Ichigo lost so insultingly although I'd argue if Bleach were to keep going, Ichigo would be more broken than Naruto by now.

I hope so to hiei is my favorite anime character of all time. Plus I want to bastard Sasuke to lose hard.
I'd rather broken ichigo over Naruto cause I find ichigo as the better character than Naruto. Plus it's kishi fault for piling so much on Naruto that he can't really be beat, cause part of me think Naruto and Sasuke are the reason everyone says Sakura is useless they compare her to them and what they can do though I've heard current Sakura is as strong as Naruto and Sasuke before the sage power up.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 10:52 PM

Yeah. It is ONLY Sakura that gets this abuse from the fandom for only 4 times she ever hit Naruto in a comedic way. You don't even have to look that far...KUSHINA gets a pass even when she hit Naruto directly. I guess mothers get an excuse too. Hell, if HInata struck Boruto...she would get a pass.

Only Sakura gets and I literally mean...ONLY Sakura gets bashed and hated on because "she hit Naruto." Name any other character even in the Naruto series itself that hit Naruto and they get love and hugs. Even that Karui I think her name is that brutally beat Naruto up to the point of a bloody pulp.
 

 

 
You're not the only one.
 

 

Louise from Zero No Tsukaima
Narusegawa from Love Hina
These two just as example have hit their main love interest more times in one episode than Sakura has hit Naruto in the entire series.

The list just keeps going....but ONLY Sakura gets that much hate. ONLY Sakura.
 

 

Yeah, Tsundere are meant to be comedic. It is like farts in British comedy. To the Japanese, a tsundere is a very comedic girl. Sometimes overplayed, other times not so much.

Another thing I want to add is is that some want to bring up the fact that the reason why Sakura is bad is because she is obsessed with Sasuke and while I can agree with that, this wouldn't be the first time a tsundere character was loving to another character AT FIRST.

Look at Evangelion with Asuka and Shinji...some people like them as a couple and yet Asuka was obsessed with Kaji. (A much older man..creepy.)
Narusegawa was attracted to her teacher and even attracted to some other guys before Keitaro

I can't think of more examples at the moment, but I know there are more. The point is...whatever reason they give for why Sakura is a bad person...every other single anime girl gets a pass for their transgressions by them. They have no problem with all the other girls being just like Sakura, but Sakura is hated.

Again, this is them admitting that if NaruSaku would have been canon they would have liked Sakura more.

 

Akane from Ramna 1/2. She had feelings for an older guy and was a huge tsundere. Punched Ramna around way more than Sakura ever did to Naruto.
Kagome from Inuyasha was a tsundere as well. She didn't have feelings for someone else, but regardless.

Two series, created by one of the most famous mangaka in the world, Rumiko Takahashi, the woman who earned the nickname the princess of mangaused the tsundere trope in her works. And people loved it. Even westerners. And she was aware that her work was loaded with Japanese culture and humor that she was pleasantly surprised to hear that Westerners enjoyed.

Her work, though, was popular with the older Western fandom. Naruto was overrun with younger people. I think a generational gap is in play as well. That doesn't justify it, however.
How terribly ironic would it be for a NH fan to say they hate Sakura because she's 'abusive' and love Ranma 1/2 or Inuyasha. By their definition, the heroines would be even worse.  


NaruSaku will always be better than crack and fan fiction
 

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 01:20 AM

Her face might say different.

https://youtu.be/Z6EoY5mxUrc?t=348

there is some info on emirichu shipping nh but my suspicion is she is more of the "well i'll ship this even though it's improbable" and happened to be lucky with nh happening and on top of that she apparently never watched shippuden 



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Posted 11 September 2019 - 09:46 PM

 
Akane from Ramna 1/2. She had feelings for an older guy and was a huge tsundere. Punched Ramna around way more than Sakura ever did to Naruto.
Kagome from Inuyasha was a tsundere as well. She didn't have feelings for someone else, but regardless.

Two series, created by one of the most famous mangaka in the world, Rumiko Takahashi, the woman who earned the nickname the princess of mangaused the tsundere trope in her works. And people loved it. Even westerners. And she was aware that her work was loaded with Japanese culture and humor that she was pleasantly surprised to hear that Westerners enjoyed.

Her work, though, was popular with the older Western fandom. Naruto was overrun with younger people. I think a generational gap is in play as well. That doesn't justify it, however.
How terribly ironic would it be for a NH fan to say they hate Sakura because she's 'abusive' and love Ranma 1/2 or Inuyasha. By their definition, the heroines would be even worse.  

 
the sad part is, they probably would. And yeah it is common fact that some tsunderes in other anime probably hit their love interest in the span of a single episode than Sakura did in the entire manga. Even if you count the filler episodes, other tsunderes still hit their respective love interests dozens and dozens of times more than Sakura ever did in the entire Naruto anime run. Not only that, NO other series with an abrasive and violent tsundere ran as long as Naruto, most don't even hit 100 episodes

Edited by Phantom_999, 12 September 2019 - 11:35 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:05 PM

the sad part is, they probably would. And yeah it is common fact that some tsunderes in other anime probably hit their love interest in the span of a single episode than Sakura did in the entire manga. Even if you count the filler episodes, other tsunderes still hit their respective love interests dozens and dozens of times more than Sakura ever did in the entire Naruto anime run. Not only that NO other series with an abrasive and violent tsundere ran as long as Naruto, most don't even hit 100 episodes


Oh they do for sure. Well if you don't count one piece or early Pokémon cause I'm sure misty has hit ash before when he was dumb.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 11:56 PM

Yeah I should probably correct that. Lol NOT MANY anime with tsunderes in them run for very long. At least not the most extreme examples I can think of, like Louise and Naru being prime examples

 

P.S. thundered is the auto correct's fault, apologies 


Edited by Phantom_999, 14 September 2019 - 09:49 PM.

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