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[Bail o' Lies]

Seems all of the Sakura hate of the past was simply because she was perceived as "threat" to a rival pairing. Pathetic.

Somewhat. It didn't help that kishimoto wasn't doing much with her.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 13 January 2023 - 10:03 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

The poll is still ongoing and will last till Jan 31st, so keep voting if you want her to stay in top 3

[Therece]

From what i see SasuSaku fandom are massively voting in Sakura and ignoring Sasuke, plus even  others females fandoms are now suporting Sakura because she is the only female with real chances to get #1. (Minus Hinata stans).

 

 

It's really impressive she jumped to #9 to #3 surpassing Sasuke, Naruto, Kakashi, Madara, Jiraiya.

(WTF Shisui is doing in top 10?)

 

This came at a cost: having to focus on her only cost the other side of the  pairing can eve get out of the top 10.

From the side of ss fans, you can call them just sakura fans, sasuke fans or  even fans of both. They are just supporting sakura more now because of the side manga. If we base it on this statement from them: sasuke has been the focus of the franchise + got 3 novels + side manga + 2 novels  adapted in anime probably this can explain why Naruto is in #6 too. Neither Sasuke/Naruto needs this mini manga.

 

 

PS: Hinata isnt as popular like Pierrot made Kishimoto think.

Edited by Therece, 14 January 2023 - 05:22 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

From what i see SasuSaku fandom are massively voting in Sakura and ignoring Sasuke, plus even  others females fandoms are now suporting Sakura because she is the only female with real chances to get #1. (Minus Hinata stans).

 

 

It's really impressive she jumped to #9 to #3 surpassing Sasuke, Naruto, Kakashi, Madara, Jiraiya.

(WTF Shisui is doing in top 10?)

 

This came at a cost: having to focus on her only cost the other side of the  pairing can eve get out of the top 10.

From the side of ss fans, you can call them just sakura fans, sasuke fans or  even fans of both. They are just supporting sakura more now because of the side manga. If we base it on this statement from them: sasuke has been the focus of the franchise + got 3 novels + side manga + 2 novels  adapted in anime probably this can explain why Naruto is in #6 too. Neither Sasuke/Naruto needs this mini manga.

 

 

PS: Hinata isn't as popular like Pierrot made Kishimoto think.

Thanks for the info.

 

The only people who like Hinata at this point are Hinata fans. And the passed 8 years has made everyone else sick of her. No one wants her fans giving her any special position. They don't want her to get a title like Most Popular Female Naruto Character Around the World.

 

Shisui is the 'good uchiha,' the fans base as always like and obsessed over the 'good uchiha.' They are interested in a nice uchiha, since all the ones we meet in story are cold jackasses. Originally, it was Obito, but then he turned evil. So, when it was revealed the Shisui was the one uchiha that thought their coup would end in disaster and tried to stop it peacefully; he became beloved by the fanbase.

 

The important thing is the executives are going to see Sakura as the most popular main character years after she was removed as the heroine for the supposedly more popular Hinata. 

[Riverkid]

 

I used to fundamentally hate this idea. But for some reason . . .after reading your explanation here and thinking about it, it would have undoubtedly been a great (not to mention gutsy) decision on Kishimoto's part and would have improved the story. As you know, the actual series cowered away from any instance of Naruto have to actually come to terms with the flaws in his ideals. All the villains simply succumb to the talk-no-jutsu (or were otherwise dispatched by outside forces) for this to actually ever be placed on the table. When confronted by Sasuke's multiple efforts to murder Sakura during the land of iron arc, what is Naruto's response? To simply sing kumbya and even preach nonsense about how both he and Sasuke would "die together" and "understand each other" in the afterlife. And Naruto justified this claptrap by claiming that if he couldn't even save one friend, he could not become hokage. Really? Last I checked, the 1st Hokage managed that just fine!!!

 

In terms of your idea, I LOVE the idea of Naruto leaving the village and believe that this should have happened right after the Pain arc. Take out the Land of Iron nonsense and instead have Naruto go on his own journey directly afterward (which would have been a result of having contemplated on his last conversation with Nagato and how he had intended to find a way to bring peace to the world). At this point, we get multiple mini arcs on the scale of the Zabuza arc with Naruto solving smaller scale problems while being exposed to the world without the lense of the leaf village limiting his worldviews. Because Sakura had basically been shafted since the Rescue Gaara arc, I think it would be appropriate to have her accompany Naruto initially. Just Naruto and Sakura since the series seldom gives them any solo time together. Throw some news friends and enemies in every now and then, but Naruto and Sakura remains the focus and both get some character development over the course of these mini-arcs (Naruto slowly matures and Sakura slowly begins realizing her feelings for Naruto; there could be one scene, albeit played up for laughs, that hint a tad of jealousy, towards the way Hinata protected Naruto from Pain). Naruto and Sakura mini-adventures last one year and they return to the leaf village only to see that it has become cold & despotic and ruled with an iron fist by Danzo. I won't get into too many details, but I think the series would ultimately end in another battle within the leaf village (i.e. no war arc), only Sasuke being the one to try to destroy it this time and Naruto finally coming to terms with what it will take to protect the village and bring about world peace.

 

I used to think that Naruto's POAL was the main obstacle in the way of this idea, but a good writer could use Naruto's failure to uphold this promise to their advantage. Believe it or not, aside from the stupidity of Sakura giving a fake confession to Naruto, I actually LIKED seeing Naruto and Sakura argue with each other afterwards. Not in the playful fashion we're accustomed to when Naruto does something stupid, but hashed out spirited debate. I think this alternate version of events would incorporate more of that when it came to the subject of Sasuke. I could see Sakura being the first to come to the conclusion that Sasuke might be beyond saving and Naruto and Sakura hashing it out over this. I could see Naruto and Sakura saying all kinds of HARSH things about one another and even splitting up temporarily. Ultimately, their division on the subject would be portrayed as a reflection of just how much each one loves the other (Naruto doesn't want to abandon his promise to Sakura and Sakura does not want to lose Naruto).

 

I feel like Naruto's ultimately takeaway from all of these events and even his failure to save Sasuke would be the method of bringing about world peace and ending the cycle of hatred boils down to one thing and one thing alone: The Future. The way to end the cycle of hatred is to ensure that the next generation does not succumb to it. Naruto's tenure as hokage would be focused on the leaf village's youth; he would erase the circumstances that allowed children to grow up become Sasuke, Obito, Orochimaru and Nagato. The next generation of ninja would be steered towards love and peace as opposed to hatred and isolation. There would be no better example of this than Naruto and Sakura's own children who they raise to the best of their efforts.

 

But yeah, the actual canon Naruto is a complete loser who is so inept that he can't even solve the problem of juggling multiple responsibilities even though he can literally appear in 1000 different places at once for extended periods of time.

I would have changed the Pain-Arc completely. I've already talked this up and down, but the meeting between Sasuke and Akatsuki was terrible. If we follow the plot that Obito managed to convince Sasuke to spark a hatred against Konoha, the events afterward make zero sense. Sasuke was persuaded to join Akatsuki as a party, because both parties have the same goal - the destruction of Konoha - but is then excluded from said goal. Sasuke had no benefits at all in this whole interaction. Why does he leave the act of revenge, which he is seeking, on Akatsuki to deal with KilleBee instead? But well, I don't have to pretend that I don't understand the intention of Kishimoto. It would have been impossible to justify further the relationship between Naruto and Sasuke in the constellation as it is, if Sasuke attacked the village and its people for real.

But that's what should have happened. Not Pain, but Sasuke attacking Konoha. Pain would have taken care of KillerBee, at which point the Raikage then proclaims a world emergency to end the affair with Akatsuki once and for all - as it also happened in the plot, only that you bypass the obsolete plot with Sasuke-Mising-Nin which has been irrelevant in retrospect. And meanwhile, we have Sasuke, who then attacks Konoha. In this event, you got countless interactions between Sasuke and his former comrades and friends. Some would try to stop him without killing him, like Sakura and Kakashi, who share a special bond. Others might intend to kill him but are inferior to him. You would have the Batman-Joker dilemma that someone unstoppable can't be stopped unless you kill him. Naruto then appears late at Konoha's gates and sees Sasuke's path of destruction. Houses in flames, bodies on the ground, the streets filled with screams and fear - perhaps even the death of Teuchi (Ayame then takes over the shop). Naruto finally acknowledges a fatal realization: Sasuke is too far gone, and his only rescue is death. They meet at last, eyes met, and without exchanging words, a long bitter fight ends with Naruto doing the killing blow. That would have been the most critical point in the whole story. This would not be a friend killed in battle, as was the case with Neji or Asuma, but the death of a friend by the world into which he was born. A young boy, still haunted by his past and exploited by antagonists who have brought him more despair. This would be the biggest fire inside Naruto to pursue Jiraiya's dream. A world where this would never happen again. The death of Sasuke will serve as an exemplary symbolic figure for him and something that will forever haunt him on the path to finding true peace.

You have saved the plot by that. Obito (Akatsuki) is further antagonized because he gives Sasuke the final push over the cliff. Pain can be further held as the final antagonist - the same motivations as Naruto, but with different goals and approaches, collide to a climax at the end, deciding who found the solution to save this corrupted world.

This leads to a trembling relationship between Sakura and Naruto, who still doesn't quite understand why Naruto had to kill him - when he was the one who risked everything to save him. A mix of disappointment, helplessness, anger, and hatred would then arise in their relationship. Until the dust settles and Sakura realizes how many victims have been created by the hand of Sasuke. She realizes at the mass funerals how a young boy who has lost his parents suddenly carries the same hatred and anger in his eyes as Sasuke once did. She gets the whole picture, the depth of the entire tragedy, and why Naruto had to kill him.

On the other hand, you have Kakashi losing another one close to him. He lost Obito and Rin to senseless wars that he never understood and has now lost his student for whom he was responsible. He and Sakura would be the first to know why Naruto had to do it, beyond the fact that the village had to be saved. They might also get the motivation to follow Jiraiya's dream and support Naruto on his upcoming path.

With Naruto, you would have a different case. The triumphant hero who doesn't feel like celebrating. The smiling faces and celebrations are cheering the death of Sasuke and, thus, the salvation of Konoha. The hateful words and insults Naruto endure toward his deceased friend. A nagging feeling that the people cheering him were the very people who despised and rejected him back then. The thought occurs to him whether he would have suffered the same fate if he had taken the same path back then - that the cutting edge between hero and villain, him and Sasuke, is so thin. That would be the moment when he should not care about the Hokage title and distance himself from what has always been his home. Konoha would be just one puzzle of many that needed change, and he longs to go out into the world to find the answer.

[Therece]

The important thing is the executives are going to see Sakura as the most popular main character years after she was removed as the heroine for the supposedly more popular Hinata. 

 

Hinata/NH is more popular in the CASUAL fanbase who likes to hate Sakura and doesn't make any deeper analysis in the series.
The same fan who are voting in Minato/itachi and others.
They are simply ignoring Hinata because the poll have better options.
The problem is  these type of Fan don't support the franchise or even buy anything related to the franchise.
They just watch some scenes in Youtube or read the manga online and thats all.



While Sakura/SS  have a much more bigger and dedicated own fanbase who supports the character/Franchise almost 100%.

Edited by Therece, 14 January 2023 - 11:26 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

I wouldn't entirely give credit to the ss fans as the only sakura fans helping in that poll as a lot narusaku and non ss sakura fans are hoping for some story of her and tsunade

[Phantom_999]

Well, its good all of the main cast in top ten. Glad Minato won, since he was always in the lead, and Sakura was the most popular Main character. Hinata got 12th place. Neji was 18. Wasn't suppose to be so hated that they just had to kill him so Hinata could end up with Naruto?

 

Some of these would overlap. For example Obito and Tobi were treated as different characters. The uchiha manga would probably focus on explaining the massacre. 

 

Well I'm happy at least Sakura got 3rd place. Not much else to say.

 

 

Seems all of the Sakura hate of the past was simply because she was perceived as "threat" to a rival pairing. Pathetic.

 

What's pathetic to me is they shut up about it AFTER the fact, at a point where no-one cares anymore. I've known for a long time the issue was never with Sakura, it was the fact that she was love-triangle bait and was in the way of Hinata getting her crush. And the irrational hatred mostly stems from Sakura being the love interest of Naruto but had none of the positive traits in the beginning. That is being his fangirl, sweet exclusively to him etc. etc. as he deserves, because he was the social pariah of the village and was socially and emotionally abused. That is what triggers her haters, and because she is officially not a couple with Naruto, NOW they don't find her so offensive.  

Edited by Phantom_999, 15 January 2023 - 11:34 AM.

[Therece]

I wouldn't entirely give credit to the ss fans as the only sakura fans helping in that poll as a lot narusaku and non ss sakura fans are hoping for some story of her and tsunade

She is trending every day since November.
Sakura and SasuSaku fanbase is much more active and bigger now thanks to this manga at least in Twitter.
 

Yeah, it really looks  like all female readers/fanbases of the franchise are voting in Sakura to support the only Female character  with real chances to get #1.

Edited by Therece, 15 January 2023 - 11:23 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well they have new content so of course they are going to be a bit more active doesn't mean they are as big as they think they are.

Glad the tactical voting isn't going to hinata.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Lol we also need to vote for others so Hinata can get even lower.

[Therece]

Lol we also need to vote for others so Hinata can get even lower.

Hinata is already a lost Battle.

If they keep voting in Hinata only will help Sakura to got #1.

Now Hardcore Hinata stans simply will vote in Minato or Itachi simply to don't let Sakura  win.

Edited by Therece, 16 January 2023 - 02:24 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Hinata is already a lost Battle.

If they keep voting in Hinata only will help Sakura to got #1.

Now Hardcore Hinata stans simply will vote in Minato or Itachi simply to don't let Sakura  win.

Again, if this was some sort of check. Sakura has already won. She is higher than both Hinata and her teammates. When she was stripped of her position of heroine because people spent 6 years telling kishimoto; she was too hated to be the heroine. Now, 8 years later she is: the third most popular Naruto character, the most popular of the female Naruto characters, and the most popular main character in Naruto in the world.

 

That is what the executives are going to see if they look at the results right now. That is damaging to Boruto because it is built on Hinata being more popular globally than Sakura, to the point she must become the heroine.  As well as, she is so popular, her son would be an instant success as a sequel's main character.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 16 January 2023 - 10:54 AM.

[Therece]

Forget Hinata for a Second.

Hinata never stolen the main Heroine role from Sakura.

Being Naruto's housewife isn't equivalent to be the main heroine.

 

Hinata is non existent and Salad is the main Heroine in Ikemoto's story.

Sakura was the main Heroine in Salad Gaiden. The only manga volume made by Kishi after Naruto's ending. (Hinata didn't even appear)

The Last was Pierrot Movie just like anime fanservices...

 

Hinata isn't a threat to Sakura anymore. It's impossible to her enter in Top 10. Let alone suparss Sakura.

 

At this point Kishimoto/Jump and even Pierrot thanks to the Resutden manga  enormous engagement and this poll, already know Sakura is the most famous female character in the franchise and even her pairings (SS or NS) are better than Hinata by a mile.

 

So i strong sugest only VOTE in Sakura to her get #1 position. She will gain much more material and recognition

Edited by Therece, 17 January 2023 - 01:11 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

watch mojo recently did a top 10 strongest females in naruto and hinata was number 7 and sakura placed second surprisingly if not for kaguya sakura would be number 1 

[Therece]

Oh no!!

 

A manga with Sakura in the main role  completely crushed Boruto's manga

 

Sakura is the most famous female character in the francise.

She not only humiliated Hinata but surpassed the own protagonists and others famous character;.

We have to give some focus to Hinata urgent:

 

 

 

 

At this point this is just pathetic.

Edited by Therece, 17 January 2023 - 06:24 PM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

 

Oh no!!

 

A manga with Sakura in the main role  completely crushed Boruto's manga

 

Sakura is the most famous female character in the francise.

She not only humiliated Hinata but surpassed the own protagonists and others famous character;.

We have to give some focus to Hinata urgent:

 

 

 

Hey, suddently reappear after being MIA since 2015 because why not lol

 

I don't follow anything regarding Boruto, I only have bits here and there, all I can think about this situation is another stunt like Sasuke Retsuden and the SS forced romantics moments to boost the sales of Boruto which from what I understand, aren't all that great.

 

The populaty issue isn't new regarding the Naruto universe but it's sad that it turned to that point because of some executives had biased views (and probably still do) about Hinata/Sakura/pairrings etc. Now because of bad decisions in the past that turned Naruto into a big mess after the Pain arc (and not just bad desicions about Hinata/Sakura and pairrings mind you), they try to push the sales by doing the same stunt, only this time, they do it because they have no choice as apparently, the Boruto story in general is an even bigger mess than the Naruto after Pain arc.

 

As for Hinata slapping this Kawaki kid, I find this ironic that people are trying to defend Hinata but when the NaruSaku fans were trying to expain why Sakura punching Naruto is for humour purpose, the antis just didn't want to see the logic of our arguments....funny how the table has turned.  Again, I only have bits of information regarding this whole slap situation and it's probably for a good reason she does it (or not, don't really care lol) but I still find it hilarious to see Hinata fans struggling to defend her nontheless.

 

 

 

At this point this is just pathetic.

 

 

To be honest, it was already patethic just now, it's just patethic to the point of not being funny anymore ... so much wasted potentials on Naruto and because of it, on Boruto  as well ( which I don't care much as I don't approuve anything about Boruto).

Edited by Serenity Namikaze, 17 January 2023 - 08:04 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Well, normally I don't comment on spoilers before I do the summaries. But I'll make an exception here. There is no reason for Hinata sudden involvement in the story.

 

The cast is in a isolated villa so Hime can't use her charm power to control random villagers. It is far too early for them to be going to the village yet, even if they rush it. Which means Hinata must have went there. So she probably learned about how Nail killed Bolt. It is understandable she is upset. However, the thing is Naruto and I think Bolt already forgave him for it. So Hinata as the most devoted of Naruto's followers should follow his example. Anyways, Naruto already decided to suppress this info.

 

This feels like Ikemoto has been informed that Boruto is on notice. Since, both the side manga are doing better than his manga and Sakura is beating Hinata in the global poll; whose popularity is the foundation of Boruto. So he is getting desperate.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 17 January 2023 - 09:18 PM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

Well, normally I don't comment on spoilers before I do the summaries. But I'll make an exception here. There is no reason for Hinata sudden involvement in the story.

 

The cast is in a isolated villa so Hime can't use her charm power to control random villagers. It is far too early for them to be going to  the village yet, even if they rush it. Which means Hinata must have went there. So she probably learned about how Nail killed Bolt. It is understandable she is upset. However, the thing is Naruto and I think Bolt already forgave him for it. So Hinata as the most devoted of Naruto's followers should follow his example. Anyways, Naruto already decided to suppress this info.

 

This feels like Ikemoto has been informed that Boruto is on notice. Since, both the side manga are doing better than his manga and Sakura is beating Hinata in the global poll; whose popularity is the foundation of Boruto. So he is getting desperate.

 

So Boruto is killed? I saw this information but I was just like eh, he'll probably get revived by some miracle jutsu or whatever....

 

Again, don't follow anything about Boruto but I presume that this Nail character killed Boruto recently? 

 

As for Hinata involvement, if she somehow heard about the news, I guess I understand being upset but still, poping out of no where because banana? I never was a fan of Ikemoto but wow, what the kittening kittens is this? 

 

Like you said, it really does feels that Ikemoto is being pushed to put Hinata more, regarless if it makes sense or not (which usually almost never make sense with Boruto, with what I see) 

Edited by Serenity Namikaze, 17 January 2023 - 08:46 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

So Boruto is killed? I saw this information but I was just like eh, he'll probably get revived by some miracle jutsu or whatever....

 

Again, don't follow anything about Boruto but I presume that this Nail character killed Boruto recently? 

 

As for Hinata involvement, if she somehow heard about the news, I guess I understand being upset but still, popping out of no where because banana? I never was a fan of Ikemoto but wow, what the kittening kittens is this? 

 

Like you said, it really does feels that Ikemoto is being pushed to put Hinata more, regardless if it makes sense or not (which usually almost never make sense with Boruto, with what I see) 

Yep. He was killed and almost instantly brought back due to the karma seal, which resolved it before it could transform him into the foe who infected him with it. Think Cyberpunk 2077, or Batman Arkham Knight. He was dead long enough for Shikamaru to question if Naruto was going to forgive Nail for killing him, and Naruto telling him to shut up. Beginning of last year I think. Trust me this story is so slow. Stuff that happened 6 years ago is recent. The last two chapters, which have come out since both the two side manga and poll. Have had more going on and plot progression. Than the manga has had in 6 years.

 

I will see it at least but again. I see no reason for her to pop in right now story wise. This is involving her for the sake of involving her.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 17 January 2023 - 09:15 PM.