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In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

29 November 2023 - 03:49 PM

 NaruSaku represented one of the last (if not the only) of truly good storytelling this series had to offer. As people have pointed out to you many times, the setup has been there since chapter 3.


This series has abandoned all attempts at meaningful storytelling, hence why Boruto is the universally acknowledged trash fire that it is   Gotten so bad that an entire alternate future video game has to be released just so people might acquire some interest in the actual finished product

 

 
Still in that denial?
Don't even try to think that the current Naruto fandom cares about NaruSaku or hates Boruto because NS wasn't canon, because even SS, Sasuke, Sakura, and NH fans hate Boruto too.
 
Naruto is the type of manga where all the colors in the story would come from the people, villains and cast around him because Naruto have a kind of a flat character arc.
Thats why you have so many fandoms in Naruto, characters, clans, pairings and fights more popular than Naruto's character and things relateds to him.
 
Boruto manga is 100% Boruto-Centric to the detriment of other characters and fanbases
When Ikemoto made Boruto say "it's his story" and announced the sequel, everyone thought it was an exciting new story, like he would have wanted to say "it's a new story/adventure for the original characters that everyone loves and the new generation.". But unfortunately, no, it was just a Boruto-centric story where the entire cast are pathetic, nerfed characters and NPCs.
 
Ikemoto, or whoever the true writer is, does not know how to create an organic story where all the characters come together.He only has Boruto's story in mind, and everyone else is just a prop for it, which is very detrimental to Boruto's character and his story.
 
No one is going to sit thru watching Boruto as a black hole stu Character with his cringeynes that has been reused so many times in the Manga that ultimate destroyed its own manga in the making when its only catering to  1 type of the new Boruto fans. Boruto exemplifies how an black hole stu protagonist and bad author can ruin everything and everyone around him.
 
 
People wanted more of the Naruto cast, not Boruto . It was sad to see so much hype dying out, but it was bound to happen because Boruto the movie was popular because of Sasuke and Naruto as a adults, not because of Boruto.
Gaiden's focus was also Sarada, Sasuke and Sakura as a whole with Orochimaru as a cameo and Naruto around, not just Sarada alone. Nobody wanted to see Boruto doing random kitten outside the original characters.
 
 
They wanted to have a sequel that was still in Konoha with all the well known characters around to keep the old fans interested in the sequel. The way they did it was by nerfing the heck out Sasuke and Naruto vanish with Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Orochimaru and the entire original cast and Boruto and Kawaki (Who is this guy?!) receiving stupid powerups.
Sasuke and Sakura's daughter and the only Uchiha in the next gen is so badly treated and ignored.
(Another reason for  SS fans hates even more this sequel)
Boruto manga didn't follow up on a lot of the plots that Naruto manga made. It's simply trash. 
 
They should have went with a 200 years or so timeskip, with a different MC unrelated to Naruto/Sasuke similar to the Legend of Kora. It would be more bearable to the fandom.
 

 

 

 

NaruSaku represented one of the last (if not the only) of truly good storytelling this series had to offer. As people have pointed out to you many times, the setup has been there since chapter 3.

This series has abandoned all attempts at meaningful storytelling, hence why Boruto is the universally acknowledged trash fire that it is. For all your sad efforts at appealing to popularity (i.e. hey guys, look at this random poll I found that ranks SasuSaku as the greatest anime pairing ever!), this is a truth you are utterly unable to ignore; your precious pairings coincide with a formerly universally popular series that has gotten so bad that an entire alternate future video game has to be released just so people might acquire some interest in the actual finished product. Whereas you see this and grow frustrated, I see this and smirk with vindication.

You keep your canon trash fire (where in recognition of how awful these characters have become, Naruto and Hinata literally become fodder for the ole stuffed in thr fridge trope). I'm content with fan creations (art, doujin and fanfiction) celebrating not what is, but could have bee.

 

 

 

 

SS and even NH have a substantial amount of manga development and content, enough to cultivate a a very big and dedicated fanbase. Their supporters are just as passionate about their pairings as you are about NaruSaku.
 
I can still recall the denial and Sakura bashing, with statements like "NaruSaku has 698 chapters of development, and Sakura was ruined and we hate her now." 
 
Completely wrong, the manga isn't  about NaruSaku. Half of these chapter were about Sasuke and fights. 
SS and even NH have their fair share of meaningful chapters and scenes.
 
Your insistence on NaruSaku's superiority blinds you to the development and scenes of rival characters and couples. It's time to let go of your bitterness from losing the pairing wars nine years ago. 
 
If NaruSaku or Hinata were to win something , many of you would revel in gloating over your rivals and proclaiming Kishimoto's mistake in the ending or blaming it on the "evil editors and Hinata fans." (Remember, Kishimoto is the author, and he's not bound by anyone's demands.)
 
Also this seemed to be a major concern for the old NaruSaku fans in this forum, who always wondered why Kishimoto chose Hinata over her as Naruto's partner and why Sakura was so unpopular, completely ignoring the SasuSaku and the Sakura fans who have liked both Sakura and Sasuke since Part 1 and never considered Naruto as an option for her or doesn't give a danm about Hinata getting Naruto  because Sakura’s heroine status isn’t tied to spreading her legs or becomes a trophy to Naruto.
 
 
It's amusing that popularity no longer seems to matter now that Sakura has been consistently topping popularity IMPORTANT polls around the world and in Japan as one of the best manga female characters and manga couples.  Unlike Random  old comments from the supposed backslash from NS fans..
 
Yeah, looks like the current fandom doesn't give a danm about NaruSaku and the SasuSaku are enough to turn Sakura beloved. 

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

22 November 2023 - 05:20 PM

 You know the one that Therece thought was going to be the greatest story ever.

 

 

 

 

You really can't forget about me, can you? I never said anything like that. Since you quoted me months later, I will clarify some recent events for some delusional fans who are still mourning NaruSaku death after 9 years.

 

I stated that they would disregard the Boruto manga storyline due to its poor quality and Ikemoto's inability to craft a compelling narrative or produce decent artwork. This has nothing to do with the canon couples.

 
The producers admited that:
 
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As you can see, they would rather create their own story instead of use Ikemoto story. 
 
- Instead of focusing on Boruto and Kawaki, they shifted their focus to Sasuke and Naruto.
- Rather than the Otsutsuki, they centered their attention on the Uchiha clan.
- Instead of the Karma power, they focused on the Sharingan.
- War and clans conflict instead of the aliens.
 
 
At this point they're just try to milk out the Uchihas and popular plots then tried to hide it by adding Boruto's character in the game.  
 
Despite your alleged popularity of NaruSaku, which led to a decline in the franchise's popularity due to fan backlash, the game producers remained oblivious and made no alterations to the canon couples. Instead of developing an alternative NaruSaku family, they introduced a New Team Special featuring Sasuke, Sakura, and Sarada. 
 
As you can see, Nanashi was just an Uchiha wearing a blonde wig instead of a NaruSaku daughter from another dimension. Let's hope that every blonde character introduced is a NaruSaku son.
 
Also today is the official couples day in Japan.
They still are using the Canon Couples propaganda and ignoring NaruSaku.
 
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They released a pair of rings referencing and paying tribute to Sasuke and Sakura.
 
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A big japonese site conducted a popularity poll to find out which couple is the most popular of all mangas. Guess what? 
 
 
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1 - Sasuke/Sakura from Naruto
2 - Naruto/Hinata from Naruto
3 - Yoh/Anna from Shaman King.
4 -  Lloyd/Yol Forger from Spy X Family.
5   - Ichigo/Inoue from Bleach.
 
Everybody in Japan hates the canon couples and everybody misses NaruSaku.   :umm:
 
I really admire the anger and some desilusional NaruSaku fan theories  fans 9 years after the ending.
 
 
GoodBye.
 
Let's wait. Maybe in 2050, a NaruSaku son from another dimension will appear, or Kishimoto will express regret for his canon couples decision, stating that he lost his wife based  Sakura to Sasuke due to the influence of the evil editors and Hinata fans.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

24 May 2023 - 07:25 PM

So no, you didn't live in Japan, You don't understand japanese but you DO just spout off whatever you want and claim it as fact  :zaru:  thanks for clearing that up. Yahagi telling Kishimoto to create a rival for Naruto doesn't equal "YAHAGI IS A FANBOY." I recognize lots of things you refuse to. 

 

 

If you don't understand Japanese, doesn't live in Japan too and neither is  willing to make a 5 minutes research about Yahagi. Then don't try to demand the japanese knowledge for me.    :zaru:
 
Yahagi wanked Sasuke much more than any new editor ever  favored Hinata simply as that.
 

 

Oh yes, that was the ONLY bad SS scene. I mean, the scene where Sasuke tells Sakura to GTFO out of his face after she complains about her parents and Naruto wasn't bad at all. Sasuke telling Sakura to keep her mouth shut about the curse seal or he'd never forgive her, also not bad at all. Nope, these two had no problems at all. 
 

 
Sakura was being a brat insulting orphans and her parents and Sasuke call out her attention?
He is a abusive kitten.  :fu:

 

Did I say it was a problem relegated to only Sasuke? The difference is all those other characters got what they deserved. Death. (Except Gaara who you seem to conveniently forget was a child at the time of his "Crimes" and actually turned his life around and NOT in the 11th hour. like Obito or Itachi who only did it after he was already dead.)
 

 

Don't try to excuse Gaara. He deserves death like everyone and never should become the Kazekage.
If you hate Sasuke because that, you should hate Gaara too.
He killed thousends of people of his own Village and tried to destroy Konoha with Shukaku. Gaara was still aware of his actions. He just didn't think it was wrong, or didn't care because he'd established he only cared about himself. 
The only difference was that Gaara's decline to insanity, and his conversion, was quick, while Sasuke's fall and redemption was slower. Sasuke couldn't be easily converted because he still retained a mindset, which continued to reason against Naruto's advances until the end of the manga in their final battle.
 
 Itachi and Obito commited true genocides. But Kishimoto made sure to reendem and still wanks Itachi/Obito ignoring their crimes before and after their deaths.
Sasuke  wanted to destroy Konoha and he simply gave up his plan before killing any Konoha citizen. Kishimoto never allowed Sasuke to become a true killer outside the murder attempts in Kage Summit.
Sasuke was the deuteragonist,  the only character who constantly ranked #1 and one of the franchise symbols. Kill him is not the same thing as killing generic Uchiha villains like Obito and Madara who are destined to die. Thats why Kishimoto refused any idea with his death at the time. Killing Sasuke it's the same as imagine  Dragon Ball Super without Vegeta. Sasuke is necessary in any project relating Naruto's future.
 

 

Sasuke could have had a kid with Karin, whose already shown she's more or less a masochist, so having a hole blown through her by him was a-okay. 
 

 

 
Karin? SK and Karin is much more more kittened up than SS and Sakura. Karin doesn't  have a fandom.
She was out of top 60 in the poll.  She can disappear in a hole and nobody will cares. Put Sasuke and Karin never will have any effect.  Sakura was the only possible option for Sasuke after NH.   Plus SS fandom demanded that.
 
 

 

Its apparently not unstoppable since the sales blow. There was no reason from a story telling point that it HAD to be Sakura other than outside pressure. Where as NH lacks development, SS has it in spades, but all in a negative spectrum. 

Ah yes, the complete destruction of Sakura's character and evolution from a Sasuke fangirl into a strong, capable, mature woman is soooo much better than her being alone. Because like, women are defined by their relationships (according to you and Kishimoto.) No, no, no we wouldn't want her to be with someone whose actually shown an interest in her and hasn't treated her like kitten. Women are meant to be obsessed with looks and sit around waiting for their husband to spare them 20secs every 12 years...

 

 
 
Then you should try to demand the current SS/Sakura fandom and new fans to stop to  support  Sakura and convice them of how Sakura is ruinned...Because of them Kishimoto is satisfied with how he wrote Sakura character and her ending.
 
Boruto's manga isn't the same thing as secondary novels and merchs.Sakura/SS doesn't exist in Boruto manga.  She disappeared during 4 or 5 years and counting. But they are satisfy to milk the current SS fandom and produce spin offs, novels and merch about them...
Much more than any other current character or couple and this produced  very  goods results in Sakura's popularity.
 

 

No one can honestly read Sarada Gaiden and think that Kishimoto WASN'T mocking Sakura and SS. The whole thing kind of drips with contempt. Not necessarily FOR Sakura but because of what he felt he was forced to do to her. "Oh "everyone" wanted SS so bad? Okay let me show you how "wonderful" it is." and what we get is a disgusting mess of an absentee father, overworked mother and a confused, suffering child.

 

 


Kishimoto barely have time to pass time with his wife and sons when he was writing the Manga.
So he wanted to retract the same problem with Sasuke in Gaiden and after Naruto in Movie. 
Thats why the secondary cast have better marriages. Not because he Hates SS/NH.
Kishimoto probably thought he was a genius for doing that.
 
 

 

The other day I was rolling around the internet and I came across some Manga panel of Salad, Sumire and Ada having some weird sleepover and all being in bed together discussing their crushes like its some kittening shoujo. And Salad is still dressed like a hooker.   :argh: 
 

 

 

 

This is another reason for Boruto's fiasco. Ikemoto ruinned the only new Uchiha in the Next Gen. Do you think SS/Sakura/Sasuke and Uchiha fans supports or even cares about Sarada in Boruto manga?

 

Everybody wanted to see a New Sasuke, itachi or at least the Gaiden Sarada.   Sarada was reduced to hooker fanservice and a pairing fodder in Boruto manga.

 

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

24 May 2023 - 05:08 PM

 

God, his spelling and grammar are getting worse. How about you learn to spell, "Japanese," first.

 

 

 I write japonese with j how many times i want and you have nothing to do with that. 

 

According to you, everything is the fault of Ikemoto. It is all his fault, no one & nothing else is to blame, for anything, and if they just made Kishimoto the mangaka again; all will be fixed. Of course if they did that and it flops; you'll come out with another excuse.

I ts not 2014 anymore, Naruto-Boruto cannot just be compared to itself and assumed it did well or good enough. It has contemporaries that it has to be compared to now. Why waste money on something that could be beaten by manga that haven't even been running for a full year yet?

 

Even if they magically do what you want, it will take years to go through a reboot of Boruto and kishimoto is 50 next year. A decade working on a Boruto reboot he will be 60 for something that is likely to flop.

 

The companies are doing these projects to figure out what of Naruto actually sells. The more these nH/SS projects flop the less impress they will be and the more willing they are to drop them. Kishimoto only went with them because he was told they are what the fans wanted. If they aren't why stick with them, since they were only made canon at the last second?

 

 

Okay, let's ignore Ikemoto, Boruto's manga terrible drawn, the poor story pacing, the complete destruction of Sasuke and Naruto characters,  uncharismatic Ikemoto's new characters and kitten fights. The only problem in Boruto is just SS/NH. (Actually just show me a single panel with SS/NH in Boruto manga)
 
According you just need to erase SS/NH and then create a reboot with  NS and all the Boruto problems are magically solved. 
This is just a hardcore NaruSaku dream.
 
Sakura is the most popular alive character and Hinata is still popular enough to enter in a worldwide TOP 10. SS is the biggest current Naruto fandom and NH still have some popularity. .  They can change SS/NH , erase Sarada/Boruto and  change everything post 699 only for NS in a possible reboot. But probably they just will lose the SS/NH fans, turns Sakura the most hated character again and Kishimoto/editors still will receive thousends of death threats... They still doesn't even have any type of guarantee the NS fans will return after 8 years. Change SS/NH for NS  only will bring more damage at this point. 
The only time window possible for NS  was in 2014.
 
Again the Same thing? Then I will repeat the same thing again:
 
 "Most of the Naruto fanbase has moved on in the past 8 years thanks to Boruto trash story. Releasing a new spinoff now is never gonna give you an accurate indication of how well it would have sold back when Naruto's popularity was still huge"
This Dino spin off who only have SS fanservice was enough to get half of the boruto Sales,  millions of views and still atract a really good publicity/Image to Sakura judging her ranking in worldwide poll and even more merch for SS/Sakura. Based is your logic NS was failure too. Road to Ninja novel only sold 20K and wasn't enough to save Sakura's popularity at the time.  Itachi is  current most popular Naruto character in Japan and i doubt a spin off about him could sell more than Retsuden or Boruto. Novels/Spin off are side materials to specific fans."
 
 

 

You know, this is the first time I think someone has tried casting all the blame on Yahagi.

 

Yes, he told Kishimoto to come up with a rival, but Kishimoto was the one who came up with Sasuke. Yahagi tended to give direction/guidance then have Kishi do the work. If he was such a big fan of Sasuke and wanted Sakura to be with him or something; why did he allow the NS switch, according to you?

 

The reason Sasuke got all those power ups is Kishimoto thought as a rival he needed to be equal to Naruto. 

 

The reason Sasuke didn't return to the village earlier is because kishi wanted the SNS rematch to be the final battle of the manga. Anyone who has ever read the manga at any point could tell you that.

 

 

 
God i'm not blaming Yahagi for nothing.  I fully recognize how Yahagi was important to Naruto's success and his guidance was fundamental to Kishimoto. 
 
Kishimoto wanted Sasuke x Naruto as a final battle.
But he didn't have any long plan for that. Kishimoto was completely lost after Pein arc.
Sasuke's character becomes a completely mess withiout Yahagi.
Sasuke wanted to use Akatsuki, destroy Konoha, gave up his plan, help alliance, become Hokage and finally revolution Plan.
 
Actually do you have any proof of how new editors  forced Kishimoto to put Hinata more in the story or this is just a NS crazy theory? Yahagi actually forced much more Sasuke and SS in the story than Hinata ever dreammed.
 
 

 

And again according to you, he thought SS was so awful, he switch to NS for part two.

 

SS happen to put Sakura somewhere after she was too hated to be the love interest/heroine. Sarada exist to be Boruto love interest made by Kishimoto. All she did in the Kishimoto approved sequel is constantly be questioned if she loved Boruto and beg her father to protect him.

 
 
 
No, according to me he used SS in part 1 and try to switch  to NS in part 2 when Sasuke was away from Sakura.. 
But something went something wrong in his plans. He didn't count the giant SS fandom, the louder NH in the west and how the Kage summit  nuked NS/Sakura popularity.  NS become so  awful even more than SS  he was obligated to return to SS/NH pairings after Fake Confession.
 
SS fans couldn't care less about Naruto's love interest.  He could have Hinata, Tenten or even granny Chiyoo.
Sasuke is the best male character for them and the true protagonist worth for Sakura. They just wanted to remove Naruto from SS way, used Hinata for that and they are more happy than ever now.
 
The true Sarada is the Gaiden Sarada who give zero kitten to Boruto and just wanted to be Hokage. That Sarada is the popular one.  Ikemoto's Sarada?
Do you really think Uchihas, Sasuke, SS and the new Sarada fans likes Ikemoto's Sarada after the Gaiden Sarada?  They prefer Sarada's death than see a Uchiha hook up with Naruto's and Hinata brat. They curse Ikemoto every day for Sarada's slut new outfit. 
 
This is another reason for Boruto's fiasco. Ikemoto ruinned the only new Uchiha in the Next Gen. Everybody wanted to see a New Sasuke or itachi, not a pairing fodder to Burrito.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

24 May 2023 - 02:18 PM

Were you living in Japan at the time Naruto was being serialized? Do you speak Japanese? How would you know what the "Japanese fans" recognize if none of those things are true? Its really tiring that you make claims like this without any proof.

 

 

 
Sasuke was more a Yahagi idea than Kishimoto. Do you undertand Japonese?  you're  free to go Japonese forums and search that or look in Reedit about people who do that. Any article or analyses about Yahagi is clearly to say how he and Kishimoto favoreced Sasuke story over Naruto in his period. For god's sake Naruto only returned with a bigger Rasengan after the timeskip.
 
 

 

Sasuke was never the protagonist, at most he'd be classified as an Deuteragonist. Did he get an undue amount of focus? Yes. But he was never THE SOLE focus of the story. Its awfully funny that you highlight all these events where Sasuke "shines" but ignore all the other events going on for Naruto and every one else and not only that but Sasuke isn't painted in a good light in the vast majority of these scenes. One might call him a colossal kitten. 

-Sakura and Sasuke are at the hospital, Sakura is carving Sasuke some apples. Whats he do? Slap them out of her hand. Latter, while he and Naruto are on the rooftop, he AND Naruto nearly recklessly double punch Sakura with Chidori and Rasengan. Wow. So cool Such a fanboy thing to write for your pet-char. 181 is Sasuke REJECTING the comfort and comradery that's being offered by both Sakura and team 7 and cutting ties with them.

 

You know Sasuke need a great reality chock to abandon  the village and the plot move on to Part 2 right? Itachi's torture and Naruto's fight ot the hospital root were that trigger. At least you regonize how Naruto and Sasuke together almost killed Sakura in roof. 
 
In Part 1 the only bad SS scene was Sasuke slapping  the apples for Sakura's hand but not so long after that you have chapter 181. If some NS fans blame Kishi's new editors for Hinata importance and declaration.  They should blame Yahagi for Sasuke's favoritism, SS in part 1 and chapter 181. It's not a coincidence why SS fandom grown much bigger than NS/NH in Japan and during part 1.
 
 

In a lot of these you're confusing what's necessary for the STORY as fanboy antics. You want to know how to tell Kishimoto was a fanboy? its not in Sasuke's fights or his power ups, its because no matter what Sasuke did to the people around him, at the end of the story its all just hand waved away. Neither Naruto nor Sakura are allowed to have any resentment towards him. Everything is forgiven and no one is allowed to act like a normal human being because no matter what, Sasuke has to live and get his "happy ending" despite being unworthy  :zaru: and the WORST of Sasuke's acts all come after Yahagi has left  
 

 

 

This isn't a solo problem related to Sasuke. 
Kishimoto will make every redeem character be forgeted for everything: Gaara, Nagato, Itachi and even Obito who is the most ridiculous exemple of a redemption in a manga. Obito killed 40.000 people, Killed Minato and Kushina, Killed Neji and some hours later Naruto was calling him the coolest guy.       :zaru:
 
More than anything Yahagi never would allow Kishimoto to ruin Sasuke in Kage Summit period and he would have a much better redemption.
 

 

-Why is Sasuke defeating Naruto at VoE an issue? If Naruto had won the story would be over. That isn't favoritism, its a necessity. 

-Again, If Naruto blew Sasuke out of the water immediately in part 2, the story would be over.

 

 
Actually you can apply the same logic to end of the manga.  Kishimoto need Sasuke and SS for Part 3. 
 
Kishimoto needed Sasuke alive because he  and the Uchihas are a easily cash cow and Another Uchiha Child  with Sakura for Part 3? Unstoppable
It's much better than Sasuke death or put Sakura's with lee or alone while Naruto got the byakugan princess  :zaru:
This go so well that he didn't planned  how SS and Sarada would destroy NH and Boruto/Himawari. 
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