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#31101 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 23 June 2023 - 11:23 PM

One thing I don't get... Why is Hinata is a "Good heroine" while Kairi is "useless." Yeah I know she hasn't done much but like Kagomaru said, She's not experienced while Hinata had years and years of training yet  she's done nothing. You take her off and the story's the same. You take off Kairi and the story is different. Kairi is the light to Sora's heart. So why do we like Kairi yet hate Hinata? Is it because in her short amount of time, she has more chemistry with Sora than Hinata ever does with Naruto? 

The few times Hinata is even in the manga she is always doing something: Fighting Neji, inspiring Naruto, fainting, stalking Naruto, fighting Pein, and so on. This allowed her fans to conflate in their heads that she should be the heroine, cause she would always be doing something impressive. This is of course ignoring that Kishimoto really doesn't care about Hinata so the only times she appears is when he has something for her to do; once that done she goes right back to the background with the rest of the cast. If she was around as much as they wanted, well look at her in Boruto.

 

Kairi and Sakura are 2000's Japanese shounen heroine, while they can fight. Their primary role is still to stay on the sidelines watching worriedly as their love interest fights great evil, with them maybe helping out every once and a while. Maybe get abducted/captured so the hero can rescue them every once and a while as well. This makes them be seen as useless by western audiences.

 

TLDR: Kairi/Sakura as a main character is always around but that doesn't mean she was always doing something. Hinata as a minor character was rarely around but when she appeared she was doing something.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 24 June 2023 - 01:27 AM.


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Posted 24 June 2023 - 12:15 AM

Again, it wasn't just that. It was discovering that he was just like him wanting to be Hokage, jealous of his more gifted male teammate, and loving his female teammate; when he was extracting the tailed beast. Then he realized that Rin died and sympathized because he imagine how he would act if Sakura died. There was a scene people just keep over looking it.
 
HERE Chapter 652:
https://lh3.googleus...FrZV50rx9yi-hLE
 
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Said it for years but no one seemed to want to bother to look it up or just trust me if they didn't want to bother.


I think the only real problem with the naruto and obito connection is that naruto doesn't learn who obito is until last minute.

I think it would of been more dramatic if naruto and the rest of team 7 had learnt who obito was and see how they react to the fact that the boy who once inspired their sensei is now the man who has most affected their lives

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Posted 24 June 2023 - 01:26 AM

I think the only real problem with the naruto and obito connection is that naruto doesn't learn who obito is until last minute.

I think it would of been more dramatic if naruto and the rest of team 7 had learnt who obito was and see how they react to the fact that the boy who once inspired their sensei is now the man who has most affected their lives

With all story ideas. Maybe.

 

How Naruto treats him at first is more person who ruined his life by: killing his parents, having him turned into Kurama's container, and helping Itachi kill the uchiha clan starting his best friends revenge obsession. Who he wants to defeat and just thinks is a rambling lunatic that needs to be stopped.

 

Then that page happened. From that point on, he is the big brother Naruto never had. People forget the first part because of the "coolest guy" moment.

 

Him knowing who he was before may have helped or he would have always just thought of him as a big bro.

 

The problem with Naruto and Obito is its not laid out why and how Naruto's opinion of him changed that the audiences would actually be willing to grasp.



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Posted 26 June 2023 - 07:59 AM

You know I was thinking about this the other day and Naruto & Sasukes bond & rivalry shouldve been something along the lines of Lex & Clark Kent from Smallville, I think back to this scene at the end of season 7:

https://youtu.be/4PbaZCWpqrs

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Posted 27 June 2023 - 04:10 PM

Details on the minato manga https://twitter.com/...E3jCVedhhA&s=19

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Posted 27 June 2023 - 04:28 PM

Details on the minato manga https://twitter.com/...E3jCVedhhA&s=19

I... don't know if I should care. 


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Posted 27 June 2023 - 05:30 PM

Details on the minato manga https://twitter.com/...E3jCVedhhA&s=19

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Posted 27 June 2023 - 06:48 PM

:D

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Posted 28 June 2023 - 12:06 AM

Details on the minato manga https://twitter.com/...E3jCVedhhA&s=19

So it is a young Minato oneshot...looks like a 13-15 years old.

 

Uzu no Naka no Tsumujikaze. Whirlpool in the middle of a whirlwind. So, it will probably be about Minato's and Kushina's relationship...is it going to be him rescuing her from the Cloud ninja abducting her?


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 June 2023 - 01:57 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2023 - 06:31 AM

So it is a young Minato oneshot...looks like a 13-15 years old.
 
Uzu no Naka no Tsumujikaze. Whirlpool in the middle of a whirlwind. So, it will probably be about Minato's and Kushina's relationship...is it going to be him rescuing her from the Cloud ninja abducting her?


Supposed to be the origins of when he started making the rasengan

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Posted 29 June 2023 - 06:27 PM

I just realized something... if they hate Sakura hitting Naruto... what do they say about Winry throwing a wrench at Ed?


Edited by NaruSaku fan in Kentucky, 29 June 2023 - 06:27 PM.

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Posted 29 June 2023 - 09:26 PM

I just realized something... if they hate Sakura hitting Naruto... what do they say about Winry throwing a wrench at Ed?

Maybe the same thing as they have said to Sakura.



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Posted 29 June 2023 - 11:25 PM

I just realized something... if they hate Sakura hitting Naruto... what do they say about Winry throwing a wrench at Ed?

Winry had a few things protecting her that prevented her being treated like Sakura. From what I can remember off the top of my head; Fulllmetal Alchemist was on at late night instead of prime time and Winry wasn't around as much as Sakura, so there wasn't as many opportunities for her to hit Ed.

 

There were fans that thought they shouldn't get together and that Ed should get with that one chick from the first episode...Rose, I think. For similar reasons as Hinata she was in the first episode and she was more submissive.

 

Though it never got too large because the hatred for Winry never got as large or as vocal as it did for Sakura



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Posted 30 June 2023 - 11:00 PM

I just realized something... if they hate Sakura hitting Naruto... what do they say about Winry throwing a wrench at Ed?

 

Ed and Al were not ostracized an in their hometown and there was no "cool sexy bad boy rival" for Winry to drool over at first. I assume at least.

 

Besides overall from what I gather FMA is not as polarizing as Naruto on a fundamental level and the characters are nowhere near as debated. if anything there is just flame wars on which FMA is "better".

 

 

With all story ideas. Maybe.

 

How Naruto treats him at first is more person who ruined his life by: killing his parents, having him turned into Kurama's container, and helping Itachi kill the uchiha clan starting his best friends revenge obsession. Who he wants to defeat and just thinks is a rambling lunatic that needs to be stopped.

 

Then that page happened. From that point on, he is the big brother Naruto never had. People forget the first part because of the "coolest guy" moment.

 

Him knowing who he was before may have helped or he would have always just thought of him as a big bro.

 

The problem with Naruto and Obito is its not laid out why and how Naruto's opinion of him changed that the audiences would actually be willing to grasp.

 

My problem is the double standard of it rather than there being more reasons for Naruto to sympathize with Obito than just a desire of being hokage. Naruto ultimately sympathized with Nagato for wanting to achieve peace but was betrayed by the very person he was seeking an alliance with and had a sadistic choice to make regarding his best friend which said best friend made for him by committing suicide. Gaara was hated and unloved by his entire village, and unlike Naruto, had multiple assassination attempts on him. Naruto ultimately sympathized with both of them, both of them yet did not call either of them "coolest guy" just because they are similar. And in fact Obito had it easy compared to all three of them, he had a family and a normal childhood but ultimately decided life was worthless because he witnessed the love of his life killed by his (last second) best friend which is completely disproportionate to the actions he responded with yet he is one Naruto calls a "cool guy". Naruto understood Nagato and Gaara when he heard about their back stories but he could not forgive Nagato even then, and threatened Gaara that he will kill him if the former tries to take away those he loves even if he acknowledges Gaara had the harder life. Even if it represents Naruto's character development supposedly the execution of it was just terrible since Naruto said that while the same panel displays a full landscape of corpses in the middle of the war. That completely contradicts the meaning of the message if you ask me. Also again, If Naruto was willing to be all loving and all forgiving to the one that ruined his life and created the very first war he experienced just because he was whiny and petty enough to justify the world is rotten and should be molded in the image he wanted just because he never got to kiss his "unrequited love" (because that is all it boils down to in the end), then Naruto had a poor showing of trying to change anything again now didn't he. Sure we are too caught up on Naruto calling Obito the "coolest guy", but honestly the actions he took and the reasoning for it are hardly justified compared to the above examples isn't it. Oh and Obito as Tobi told Naruto about the the truth of the Uchiha massacre. You don't see Naruto calling Itachi the "coolest guy" either.


Edited by Phantom_999, 01 July 2023 - 08:54 AM.

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Posted 01 July 2023 - 08:30 AM

Ed and Al were not ostracized an in their hometown and there was no "cool sexy bad boy rival" for Winry to drool over at first. I assume at least.

 

Besides overall from what I gather FMA is not as polarizing as Naruto on a fundamental level and the characters are nowhere near as debated. if anything there is just flame wars on which FMA is "better".

 

My problem is the double standard of it rather than there being more reasons for Naruto to sympathize with Obito than just a desire of being hokage.

 

Naruto ultimately sympathized with Nagato for wanting to achieve peace but was betrayed by the very person he was seeking an alliance with and had a sadistic choice to make regarding his best friend which said best friend made for him by committing suicide. Gaara was hated and unloved by his entire village, and unlike Naruto, had multiple assassination attempts on him.

 

Naruto ultimately sympathized with both of them, both of them yet did not call either of them "coolest guy" just because they are similar. And in fact Obito had it easy compared to all three of them, he had a family and a normal childhood but ultimately decided life was worthless because he witnessed the love of his life killed by his (last second) best friend which is completely disproportionate to the actions he responded with yet he is one Naruto calls a "cool guy".

 

Naruto understood Nagato and Gaara when he heard about their back stories but he could not forgive Nagato even then, and threatened Gaara that he will kill him if the former tries to take away those he loves even if he acknowledges Gaara had the harder life. Even if it represents Naruto's character development supposedly the execution of it was just terrible since Naruto said that while the same panel displays a full landscape of corpses in the middle of the war. That completely contradicts the meaning of the message if you ask me.

 

Also again, If Naruto was willing to be all loving and all forgiving to the one that ruined his life and created the very first war he experienced just because he was whiny and petty enough to justify the world is rotten and should be molded in the image he wanted just because he never got to kiss his "unrequited love" (because that is all it boils down to in the end), then Naruto has a poor showing of trying to change anything again now didn't he. Sure we are too caught up on Naruto calling Obito the "coolest guy", but honestly the actions he took and the reasoning for it are hardly justified compared to the above examples isn't it. Oh and Obito as Tobi told Naruto about the the truth of the Uchiha massacre. You don't see Naruto calling Itachi the "coolest guy" either.

I am pretty sure it was stated somewhere in the manga that Obito was an orphan and an outcast in his clan due to his lack of talent.

 

Anyways. I mentioned dark reflections on another topic. To keep it short and simple. Stories like having characters who represent an aspect of a main character that could have turned them evil. If the final boss is a dark reflection then, they represent the ultimate issue that could turn the character evil.

 

Nagato, Gaara, and Obito were all dark reflections of Naruto. Gaara was what if Iruka didn't make his speech in chapter one and he gave into hating the village. Nagato is what if Sasuke died and what if he abandoned Jiraiya's teachings. Obito was Naruto's ultimate dark reflection; he was what if Sakura died. Which means as his ultimate dark reflection, the thing that would most likely break Naruto and turn him evil is the death of Sakura. Why? because, he loves her. The story and more importantly, his forgiveness of Obito, doesn't make since if he doesn't love her.

 

Naruto realizing this is why he forgave Obito. Because, they were so alike, he must have had the same feeling for Rin as he does for Sakura. That is why chapter 652 is so important because that was the moment he had a shift in his understanding of Obito and eventually moved to forgive him. He forgave the man who ruined his life because he lost someone he loved as much as Naruto does Sakura.

 

The forgiving of Obito turns NS into a foundational part of the story, if it wasn't already, as the story does not work if Naruto doesn't love her. Which is one of the reason it collapsed with the ending. The things you are complaining about the story lacking are there, mind you poorly handled or expressed. Your obsession with the "coolest guy" bit prevents you from seeing what Obito is; another reason the ending doesn't work. As again, it could only possibly work if NS happened. Now, it just another aspect of the story that disconnects the reader from the story.  


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 July 2023 - 05:00 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2023 - 12:17 PM

I think the problem is that is that the narusaku and obirin parallels weren't really shown during the big obito fight, heck sakura only interacts with obito after he has reformed.

I think it would feel more impactful if obito notices the similarities between naruto and sakura to him and rin. Which could result in obito targeting sakura to try and break naruto, like what happened to him. Then when obito is reformed and interacting with sakura he can bring up the rin parallels with her and talk about how important she is to naruto.

I would probably also make obito situation more sympathic is it turns out the leaf village had abondoned her to the mist thinking it wasn't worth saving her and only kakashi di so because of his promise to him.

While also having that the leaf did know she became a time bomb when becoming the three tails jinjuriki planned on killing her. With obito learning all this information decides that the leaf village are worse than scum in his beliefs turns against them.

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Posted 01 July 2023 - 09:57 PM

Serious question do any of you actually care about the Minato prequel story?

My previous post was because of @NaruSaku fan in Kentucky saying if he should care or not, and I wanted to use that clip for a long time, but never got the opportunity. Until now.  :happy: 

I ask because personally I never cared about prequel stories to anything since I already know how it's going to end. And if the ending is bad then that's even more reason I don't want to see anything from before.

When I watched the original Star Wars trilogy I never thought "Gee I really would like to see Anakin as a kid, I wonder how his life was back then".

Sure you might learn something new from a prequel story, but it's not like you can't do it in the original story.


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Posted 01 July 2023 - 10:15 PM

Im more so curious to learn about his origins. I dont necessarily see it as a bad thing to do a prequel so long as you feel there is a story to be told.

While yes, this was only because of the 99p votes is why were getting this Minato 1-shot.


But lets not forgot that Kishi did express interest in doing a Minato Gaiden story in the past.

I can imagine depending on how the reception is to this 1 shot, it can to a Gaiden volume length story.


Now will it be good? Thats the question we should be asking ourselves.

Personally, Im just curious about it more than I am excited about the story.

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Posted 01 July 2023 - 10:31 PM

Im more so curious to learn about his origins. I dont necessarily see it as a bad thing to do a prequel so long as you feel there is a story to be told.

While yes, this was only because of the 99p votes is why were getting this Minato 1-shot.


But lets not forgot that Kishi did express interest in doing a Minato Gaiden story in the past.

I can imagine depending on how the reception is to this 1 shot, it can to a Gaiden volume length story.


Now will it be good? Thats the question we should be asking ourselves.

Personally, Im just curious about it more than I am excited about the story.

Pre Pain Arc Kishi... maybe but post Pain? No...


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Posted 01 July 2023 - 10:39 PM

Pre Pain Arc Kishi... maybe but post Pain? No...


Understandable!

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