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#41 soraandven

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 06:54 AM

we know iris will come back somehow but man rewatching that scene showed just how much barry cares for iris oh and speaking of iris she finally seemed like a real character and not just there a character death worth getting sad over 


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 11:36 AM

we know iris will come back somehow but man rewatching that scene showed just how much barry cares for iris oh and speaking of iris she finally seemed like a real character and not just there a character death worth getting sad over 

 

Time travel is out of the question because Savitar will know no matter what. We got a glimpse when Barry went to get help from Snart aka Captain Cold. No matter what he does Savitar will always know so I have no idea how Iris will return from the dead. That is, if she's really dead.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 09:58 AM

 

Time travel is out of the question because Savitar will know no matter what. We got a glimpse when Barry went to get help from Snart aka Captain Cold. No matter what he does Savitar will always know so I have no idea how Iris will return from the dead. That is, if she's really dead.

she's gonna come back


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 04:21 PM

she's gonna come back

I hope not.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 04:51 PM

I hope not.

Why?

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 10:17 PM

Why?

Because she's useless.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 10:34 PM

Because she's useless.

 

Thank you I'm not the only one who feels the same way. As much as I like Iris she's useless. Her only purpose on the show is for emotional support and because she's Barry's love interest. She doesn't contribute when it comes to fighting villains. You know it makes me laugh at the Felicity haters from Arrow, they hate her so much. They call her useless and manipulative kitten among many other insults (kinda reminds me at how much NH fans and the general fandom hates Sakura). Yet Felicity is extremely useful and a very important asset to team Arrow. Yet the same haters support Iris who is truly useless (quite the irony actually :roll: ). Between Iris and Felicity there's no need for a debate who is the smartest and most useful when it comes to helping the hero fight villains. 


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 01:15 AM

 

Thank you I'm not the only one who feels the same way. As much as I like Iris she's useless. Her only purpose on the show is for emotional support and because she's Barry's love interest. She doesn't contribute when it comes to fighting villains. You know it makes me laugh at the Felicity haters from Arrow, they hate her so much. They call her useless and manipulative kitten among many other insults (kinda reminds me at how much NH fans and the general fandom hates Sakura). Yet Felicity is extremely useful and a very important asset to team Arrow. Yet the same haters support Iris who is truly useless (quite the irony actually :roll: ). Between Iris and Felicity there's no need for a debate who is the smartest and most useful when it comes to helping the hero fight villains. 

And this is my problem with her. I never liked characters that don't have a purpose or if they have one, it's just one and once that purpose is completely their character is finished.

Iris, besides being Barry's love interest has no purpose at all in that show. No reason to exist. She doesn't contribute to anything.

On Arrow you have Felicity, who honestly when the show started I instantly loved her, then over time she kind of annoyed me, but even though she's there because she's Oliver's love interest. That's not the only purpose to her character, she's actually useful. She contributes to stopping the bad guys.

If you take the love interest part away from Felicity, she can still exist in that setting without a problem.

If you take the love interest part away from Iris, she becomes nothing. She stops having a reason to be in the show. 


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:05 AM

Well I think the whole concept of 'useless' is useless. Writing a character on a superhero show shouldn't be weighed on how much they beat up the bad guys. A purely plot driven show makes the story dry. Because TF is really just Barry and friends on adventures, not the supersonic team he put together to take on the world.

The premise centers around the West family, and I wouldn't call papa Joe anymore useful than Iris. Subplots like Cecile and father-daughter scenes don't contribute to putting people in jail but watching characters develop 'uselessly' enriches the show. They and their bonds add emotional debth that arrow now lacks which is why I dropped it last season. Felicity is one dimensional and boring to me, she's a copy of many previous characters and frankly a egocentric person. Ntm after she became a love interest in S3, her character, personality, skills, and wardrobe changed. Her hacking skills are so unrealistically good they bore me, and in her origin episode she is better in the flashbacks than in episode 1, so her development is asspulled.

Iris is not the muscle or the brain in the team but she never sits still. She's a Lois-ish character and she talks about plans ideas and theories with the others, she's not left out. She and her family are the heart of the show and there wouldn't be a flash without Iris West. <not my quote

I wish they'd focus more on her journalism ofc and she has many times given the team important info and gone out on her own mission for a story, but that's an on and off plot so.

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:26 AM

Well I think the whole concept of 'useless' is useless. Writing a character on a superhero show shouldn't be weighed on how much they beat up the bad guys. A purely plot driven show makes the story dry. Because TF is really just Barry and friends on adventures, not the supersonic team he put together to take on the world.

The premise centers around the West family, and I wouldn't call papa Joe anymore useful than Iris. Subplots like Cecile and father-daughter scenes don't contribute to putting people in jail but watching characters develop 'uselessly' enriches the show. They and their bonds add emotional debth that arrow now lacks which is why I dropped it last season. Felicity is one dimensional and boring to me, she's a copy of many previous characters and frankly a egocentric person. Ntm after she became a love interest in S3, her character, personality, skills, and wardrobe changed. Her hacking skills are so unrealistically good they bore me, and in her origin episode she is better in the flashbacks than in episode 1, so her development is asspulled.

Iris is not the muscle or the brain in the team but she never sits still. She's a Lois-ish character and she talks about plans ideas and theories with the others, she's not left out. She and her family are the heart of the show and there wouldn't be a flash without Iris West. <not my quote

I wish they'd focus more on her journalism ofc and she has many times given the team important info and gone out on her own mission for a story, but that's an on and off plot so.

 

My problem is Iris only purpose is Barry's love interest and she's there for him whenever he needs some support. But if you take that away from her what purpose does she have on the show? If Barry never confessed to her then her only purpose would be canon fodder and villain bait becoming a damsel in distress. At least Felicity has the brains. I'm still laughing at the Felicity haters saying they want her dead, that because Curtis has joined team Arrow as Mr. Terrific they don't need another tech wiz. My answer remains the same" two tech wiz are better than one". 


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#51 Nostradamus

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:28 AM

Look I'm not saying make her a superhero and off to fight the bad guys. That would be a mistake.

I'm just saying that give her something else besides being Barry's love interest.

Back in season 1 she was a reporter/writer. Give her that back. Make her have a reason to exist beyond the "Barry likes me therefore I have to be here."


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:46 AM

But Iris isn't just there as Barry's love interest. Even single she'd still be his best friend, Joe's daughter, kid Flash's sister, buddy with Cisco etc. Team flash is really just a group of friends. They're a pack, so ofc they stay with her and she with them. She's also the female lead and most scenes are at Starlabs so it's much easier to write it this way. I like her much better now that she's involved than in S1, although I hated more the plot than her.

Also I don't want Felicity dead but that doesn't mean I like her. A lot of people here want Hinata dead and someone even made a thread on how to kill her, like it's rocket science or something. Also the post you replied to says they want Iris dead lmao even though they know she won't die. Wanting characters you dislike dead is the same kitten everywhere. Felicity can live, I just give her weird looks, that's all.

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 12:57 AM

But Iris isn't just there as Barry's love interest. Even single she'd still be his best friend, Joe's daughter, kid Flash's sister, buddy with Cisco etc. Team flash is really just a group of friends. They're a pack, so ofc they stay with her and she with them. She's also the female lead and most scenes are at Starlabs so it's much easier to write it this way. I like her much better now that she's involved than in S1, although I hated more the plot than her.

Also I don't want Felicity dead but that doesn't mean I like her. A lot of people here want Hinata dead and someone even made a thread on how to kill her, like it's rocket science or something. Also the post you replied to says they want Iris dead lmao even though they know she won't die. Wanting characters you dislike dead is the same kitten everywhere. Felicity can live, I just give her weird looks, that's all.

well said


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:48 AM

Well...Turns out my theory was correct. HR used the same hologram device Barry used to disguised himself as Iris and he's the one who got killed by Savitar. Even if I called it I'm still speechless. :wot:


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 02:39 PM

So am I only in saying this finale was bad?

And I'm just talking about the ending, but the entire episode, actually the entire season. Such a mess.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:14 PM

So am I only in saying this finale was bad?

And I'm just talking about the ending, but the entire episode, actually the entire season. Such a mess.

I don't remember the whole season but I don't think the finale was bad. My favourite season is the 2nd, but S3 has been watchable to me as well.

 

I'm hoping the next season will involve a little timeskip, maybe a year or so. It'll explain the aftermath of Barry going into the speedforce without dragging, and he'll probably come back in the first 3-4 episodes instead of making the whole first half about it. If he comes back in a week it'll be like Felicity walking again, way too fast with no lasting consequences.

 

Biggest surprise to me; Iris shot Savitar. wow. Never thought Krieslanti would give her that. But I liked it, I found it sensical somehow. To those who didn't like Iris because useless did it open up a new POV for you or no? I also liked Caitlin's new side today and I'm looking forward to what answer she finds in S4, and I was never fond of her character so. :)


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 08:02 AM

I don't remember the whole season but I don't think the finale was bad. My favourite season is the 2nd, but S3 has been watchable to me as well.

 

I'm hoping the next season will involve a little timeskip, maybe a year or so. It'll explain the aftermath of Barry going into the speedforce without dragging, and he'll probably come back in the first 3-4 episodes instead of making the whole first half about it. If he comes back in a week it'll be like Felicity walking again, way too fast with no lasting consequences.

 

Biggest surprise to me; Iris shot Savitar. wow. Never thought Krieslanti would give her that. But I liked it, I found it sensical somehow. To those who didn't like Iris because useless did it open up a new POV for you or no? I also liked Caitlin's new side today and I'm looking forward to what answer she finds in S4, and I was never fond of her character so. :)

it was a great parallel to when joe killed rival in flashpoint


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