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[Bail o' Lies]

Oh by the way found out why Kishimoto was put back on Boruto. Kodaichi the previous writer was rude to his co-workers so they fired him. Don't know the details beyond that.

[Derock]

Oh by the way found out why Kishimoto was put back on Boruto. Kodaichi the previous writer was rude to his co-workers so they fired him. Don't know the details beyond that.

 

Sorry about that, but keep spilling that tea! 

[Bail o' Lies]

Kind of sad that it was that simple. Here we are thinking it must be some desperate ploy to boost sales, but it really just, "well, we fired that guy for being an ass, kishi get back on this manga since your not doing anything."

[Illnevergiveup3]

Oh by the way found out why Kishimoto was put back on Boruto. Kodaichi the previous writer was rude to his co-workers so they fired him. Don't know the details beyond that.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggghhhhhhhtttttttt. *with air quotes*

[Nostradamus]

Oh by the way found out why Kishimoto was put back on Boruto. Kodaichi the previous writer was rude to his co-workers so they fired him. Don't know the details beyond that.

[Phantom_999]

Oh by the way found out why Kishimoto was put back on Boruto. Kodaichi the previous writer was rude to his co-workers so they fired him. Don't know the details beyond that.

 

Hmm. Okay, it is what it is. What really matters is whether or not the writing quality will improve. And even if it did, I don't feel compelled to buy ANYTHING related to Naruto anymore, since apparently anyone not drooling over Hinata's huge rack, submissive personality and and sending over positive thoughts on how perfect her marriage is to her man candy is "not a fan of the franchsise". So, I guess I'm damn well not!   

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 November 2020 - 12:18 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well that explains this forneverworld video to me https://youtu.be/HQq_11HSAdE

[Illnevergiveup3]

he redeem himself, I swear to God I will buy every Naruto volume including Boruto. If he pulls this off and redeem himself, I will consider him to be the GOAT of Mangakas to be honest.

[Bail o' Lies]

LMAO. Oh my goodness. How rude do you have to be go be booted like that? Gosh! Anyways, they could have hired another writer besides Kishimoto to replace him. It is convenient like you said, but I don't think it completely invalidates what everyone has already said. Guess it's more of a side bonus in addition to filling the vacant position.

No clue. Kishimoto was available since he not working on any other manga, and replacing a writer in the middle of an arc right at a climax is a drastic measure. Thinking it was something more then that is logical.

 

Kishimoto, if he was told to get on it, got on it. Its not like he could say no, he lost a lot of clout because of Samurai 8. And Kodaichi didn't have much clout because his story was a flop that was only held up by the fact that it had an anime adaptation.

 

Well that explains this forneverworld video to me https://youtu.be/HQq_11HSAdE

Can you summaries what he says I don't like watching him.

 

Look at the comments apparently this incident was all over twitter and it was kodaichi exploding in frustration over his terrible work situation. Cussing was involved. Oh apparently his manga didn't have editors for some time and had dead lines that were too strict.....The lack of an editor would explain a lot. Jokingly: Pete's Sake they could have ask me. I would have done it for half the price as long as Hinata and the daughter remain barely in the manga.

 

Apparently, the Japanese actually don't like Kishimoto replacing Kodaichi; likely something about it being his manga, Kishimoto's was Naruto, and if writer are replaceable in Boruto then that could slowly spread to other manga. Remember, they like the idea that a manga is the mangaka own story sure it can have a lot of corporate overlords trying to influence it but ultimately the mangaka has final say. Now imagine if a mangaka gets too uppity?

 

The official story is that he was only contracted for the first 13 volume...Christ on a stick did they already reach that number. And they didn't renew it.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 23 November 2020 - 09:03 PM.

[Derock]

 

Apparently, the Japanese actually don't like Kishimoto replacing Kodaichi; likely something about it being his manga, Kishimoto's was Naruto, and if writer are replaceable in Boruto then that could slowly spread to other manga. Remember, they like the idea that a manga is the mangaka own story sure it can have a lot of corporate overlords trying to influence it but ultimately the mangaka has final say. Now imagine if a mangaka gets too uppity?

 

The official story is that he was only contracted for the first 13 volume...Christ on a stick did they already reach that number. And they didn't renew it.

 

Uh... why they don't like that? Unfortunately for them, Boruto is still a spin-off series under the Naruto franchise moniker. I can understand if the situation was in its own original franchise (AS IF!!!). The ultimate answer is that it needs to be cancelled along with the anime immediately so Masashi and the team can figure out how to bring Naruto and the franchise back to good graces with the audiences. 

[Bail o' Lies]

Uh... why they don't like that? Unfortunately for them, Boruto is still a spin-off series under the Naruto franchise moniker. I can understand if the situation was in its own original franchise (AS IF!!!). The ultimate answer is that it needs to be cancelled along with the anime immediately so Masashi and the team can figure out how to bring Naruto and the franchise back to good graces with the audiences. 

That would be ideal. The problem is SP don't want to cancel Boruto, and restarting could cause a panic that lose them viewers. Boruto is not a story/art its a product.

 

As for Japanese, again, slippery slope. "Sure, it fine if its a spin off but they shouldn't do it on the original." Would eventually lead to, "Its fine if they take that kitten off his own manga a replace him with someone else." To, "oh well I guess that guy was just taken off his manga for saying no to an idea an exec had. What can you do?"

[Illnevergiveup3]

 
Uh... why they don't like that? Unfortunately for them, Boruto is still a spin-off series under the Naruto franchise moniker. I can understand if the situation was in its own original franchise (AS IF!!!). The ultimate answer is that it needs to be cancelled along with the anime immediately so Masashi and the team can figure out how to bring Naruto and the franchise back to good graces with the audiences. 

Kishimoto knows exactly what he needs to do. Now the final step is actually finding his balls to do it.

[Derock]

That would be ideal. The problem is SP don't want to cancel Boruto, and restarting could cause a panic that lose them viewers. Boruto is not a story/art its a product.

 

As for Japanese, again, slippery slope. "Sure, it fine if its a spin off but they shouldn't do it on the original." Would eventually lead to, "Its fine if they take that kitten off his own manga a replace him with someone else." To, "oh well I guess that guy was just taken off his manga for saying no to an idea an exec had. What can you do?"

 

The demographic viewership is babies-preteens, they're not going to remember anything, unless they're hardcore fans. I hardly doubt cancellation would cause panic because they are a business. SP didn't give an f--- when they cancelled shows like Bleach. Just because this franchise is currently #1 for profits in their company but people are watching other shows and franchises yet they picked in the worse slot: Sundays, in order to get "ratings". And if the manga goes sideways (doubt it but it may happened) the anime will follow suit. 

 

Kishimoto knows exactly what he needs to do. Now the final step is actually finding his balls to do it.

 

I really wished we all have your positive optimism. I truly do but unless he realized that all of his works and accomplishments of the franchise he created was ruined and need to be revitalized to bring back his reputation, I highly doubt he knows what to do. 

[Bail o' Lies]

The demographic viewership is babies-preteens, they're not going to remember anything, unless they're hardcore fans. I hardly doubt cancellation would cause panic because they are a business. SP didn't give an f--- when they cancelled shows like Bleach. Just because this franchise is currently #1 for profits in their company but people are watching other shows and franchises yet they picked in the worse slot: Sundays, in order to get "ratings". And if the manga goes sideways (doubt it but it may happened) the anime will follow suit.

I'm not saying the fans will care. I'm saying the executives worry about that. They always worry about profitability and image. This looks bad for PR/this looks good for PR. This will make us money/this will cost us money.

 

Taking a show off the air before it done looks bad. Removing the writer looks bad unless they put someone they think will be well received. They may have been looking for an excuse to get kishimoto back in that kodachi just gave them, in hope of raising sales. But it could also be it just happened.

 

Bleach, SP were annoyed at constantly having to do filler and their filler was losing them viewers. At the time they had Naruto to keep them afloat, and a Naruto spin off to replace it; Rock Lee SD. Now they don't have Naruto. They tried to make Black Clover their new Naruto, that didn't work out. So, they are stuck with Boruto.

 

The anime is what holding up Boruto not the manga.

[Kagomaru]

That would be ideal. The problem is SP don't want to cancel Boruto, and restarting could cause a panic that lose them viewers. Boruto is not a story/art its a product.

 

As for Japanese, again, slippery slope. "Sure, it fine if its a spin off but they shouldn't do it on the original." Would eventually lead to, "Its fine if they take that kitten off his own manga a replace him with someone else." To, "oh well I guess that guy was just taken off his manga for saying no to an idea an exec had. What can you do?"

But didn't he originally work on the Boruto manga as a co-writer before he got demoted into a supervisor, then a consultant, until he was finally let go to work on Samurai 8? If so, he's just regaining full control of a sequel series he helped to create.

 

At any rate, it'll be fun to see Kishimoto tear down the walls of the NaruHina (and hopefully, SasuSaku) fanbase's delusions by finishing what he started.  

Edited by Kagomaru, 24 November 2020 - 02:11 AM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

the idiot could just do the ending the way he wanted to do it. In my opinion, he could literally use the I.T. as a way to reverse all of it and still make it seem like that was his plan all along. He could wait until Naruto "dies" and then use that as an opportunity to have Naruto wake up in the war after Sakura-Chan gives him CPR. Then he could fix Chapter 664-699, because that's when he really started to force all of that SS kitten in. So in essence, he gave the NH and SS what they wanted, but showed them why they could never work. Then he could put his actual ending in place, build up NS even more through those chapters and fix everything else.

 

It got other creative ways for him to get to that, but that is most obvious choice for him.

 

But didn't he originally work on the Boruto manga as a co-writer before he got demoted into a supervisor, then a consultant, until he was finally let go to work on Samurai 8? If so, he's just regaining full control of a sequel series he helped to create.

 

At any rate, it'll be fun to see Kishimoto tear down the walls of the NaruHina (and hopefully, SasuSaku) fanbase's delusions by finishing what he started.  

 

I want him to ravage NH and SS beyond sub-atomic recognition. And then top it off with a rightul and properly done NS ending.
 

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 24 November 2020 - 02:49 AM.

[Kagomaru]

the idiot could just do the ending the way he wanted to do it. In my opinion, he could literally use the I.T. as a way to reverse all of it and still make it seem like that was his plan all along. He could wait until Naruto "dies" and then use that as an opportunity to have Naruto wake up in the war after Sakura-Chan gives him CPR. Then he could fix Chapter 664-699, because that's when he really started to force all of that SS kitten in. So in essence, he gave the NH and SS what they wanted, but showed them why they could never work. Then he could put his actual ending in place, build up NS even more through those chapters and fix everything else.

 

It got other creative ways for him to get to that, but that is most obvious choice for him.

 

 

I want him to ravage NH and SS beyond sub-atomic recognition. And then top it off with a rightul and properly done NS ending.
 

That'll depend on A:  If he has a willingness to actually undo the ending.  And B: If his editors don't hound him.   The apparent lack of editors working on Boruto since its serialization as Bail reported may mean that he could potentially insert a plot-device like I.T. in the manga withou disruption, but that all depends on if he wants to at this point.   Again, I'll wait for summaries to see what he'll actually do, but I honestly doubt he'll go that far as all of the gaslighting he's done since Naruto's conclusion in interviews and the like.

[Chatte]

I'd say don't hold your horses guys.

 

I don't think he ever wants to get his hands dirty with pairing drama so I think he'll avoid it at all costs.

 

At most, what he'll do he'll target SasuNaru fanbase, like he did with the Boruto movie.

 

But NaruSaku? I don't think he'll ever return to make it happen...

 

Especially since the old fanbase has moved on to better things.

[Bail o' Lies]

I'd say don't hold your horses guys.

 

I don't think he ever wants to get his hands dirty with pairing drama so I think he'll avoid it at all costs.

 

At most, what he'll do he'll target SasuNaru fanbase, like he did with the Boruto movie.

 

But NaruSaku? I don't think he'll ever return to make it happen...

 

Especially since the old fanbase has moved on to better things.

BoltXSalad (which to them is NS 2.0, doesn't matter what we think to them so don't have a conniption over it) is the only pairing that's going to happen in this manga. Remember Samurai 8 where he spent 10 chapters going "I'm not switching love interest again." That's not, "I shall restore Sakura as the love interest when I get the chance." That's, "I don't want to deal with pairing conflicts or editors forcing me to change the story/pairing to please one group, again."

 

Sakura existed to please his wife after a certain point. They had move past the feud the ending caused already. Bringing up NS again would just lead to old wound being reopened.

 

NS would only happen as a last desperate ploy especially since he's now required to write the sequel.

 

Oh, when Naruto dies he going to have final words for Bolt (father-son) Nail (role model) and Sasuke (not gay brotherly moments of not gay). At worse even if he is spiteful he might have Naruto say he always wanted to kiss her cute forehead. They will likely all assume he means his wife while Sasuke wonders if he was talking about his wife. That's it.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 24 November 2020 - 08:01 PM.

[Kagomaru]

Yeah, that's about as much as I will realistically expect out of him. And it would be enough, if only to satisfy my schdenfreude towards NaruHina and SS by watching them descend into a frenzy.

Edited by Kagomaru, 24 November 2020 - 09:44 PM.