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#17421 James S Cassidy

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:03 PM

 

Yeah some how I don't think the NH fans are going to buy that.

The NH don't buy anything really. They still haven't accepted that Hinata is right now face first eating dirt.

"If NS is supposed to be canon, then why isn't it canon by now?"
Well, if NH and SS are supposed to be canon, how come they are not canon right now? It is always funny how they propose these questions about our fandom, yet never really realize that it can be applied to their pairing as well.

So I am not worried about what NH and SS fans think anymore. They will never accept anything anyway unless it has to do with promoting their own fandom.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:33 PM

NH fans are like,
WHO ARE WE??????NARUHINA FANS(PARANOID FANS)
WHAT DO WE WANT????NH TO BE CANON, EVEN WHEN THERE'S NO CHANCE
WHAT DO WE DO?????FIND RELEVANCE TO HINATA IN EVERY PLOT!!!

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 03:49 PM

NH fans are like,
WHO ARE WE??????NARUHINA FANS(PARANOID FANS)
WHAT DO WE WANT????NH TO BE CANON, EVEN WHEN THERE'S NO CHANCE
WHAT DO WE DO?????FIND RELEVANCE TO HINATA IN EVERY PLOT!!!
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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:00 PM

It's the way writers are.

I am always thinking of Love Hina and that ending.
 
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It is also very similar to InuYasha and Ruroni Kenshin which again it was the same way. They just couldn't admit that they were in love even when it was painfully obvious to everyone and themselves. They just refused to see it for one reason or another and at times just kept making excuses. Tsundere have a tendency to do this more often than not.

It is nerve racking, but it happens.

This is the interview:
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I am having a hard time finding the original original, but I know it exists somewhere.

Also, Sasuke still has shown no interest in Sakura meanwhile Sakura has shown interest in Naruto. I know people keep saying SS can happen, but until Sasuke shows even a hint to having feelings for her, then it cannot happen ever. Relationships are built around love and affection to which Sasuke has none for Sakura.


I like how from the sound of the interview even Kishi is referring to SS in an antagonistic way :lmao:

Him saying she was honest but surprisingly stubborn makes this all the more complicated. people say to not overthink this but honestly its hard not to overthink it when its this confusing especially when the interview is followed up with chapter 540 which is what makes me wonder whether people are misinterpreting what he said or not. For those reading yes I know chapter 540 isn't a threat to NS in fact it helps NS a lot because it shows SS in a negative light again, I know I'm probably bothering people by bringing it up but I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything here.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:24 PM

 

 

I'm sorry you feel/felt chastised. :cry:    I swear wasn't talking to anyone in particular, just trying to brighten the general dark funk that's been haunting this place lately.  
 
The optimism part was my goal.  Sakura is really cool, and if we don't love her and celebrate her achievements, who will?   :sakura:

 

 

I don't mean it in a bad way. Honestly, I wanted people to offer a different perspective and address the concerns and disappointments I was feeling, in fact I asked people to do just that in a least one of my posts. Your posts on the subject made me think, and that's never a bad thing. :smile:

 

And I agree, Sakura is amazing. I love her character and I truly don't want to feel let down by the way Kishimoto has chosen to handle her characterization or development.



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:44 PM

I like how from the sound of the interview even Kishi is referring to SS in an antagonistic way :lmao:

Him saying she was honest but surprisingly stubborn makes this all the more complicated. people say to not overthink this but honestly its hard not to overthink it when its this confusing especially when the interview is followed up with chapter 540 which is what makes me wonder whether people are misinterpreting what he said or not. For those reading yes I know chapter 540 isn't a threat to NS in fact it helps NS a lot because it shows SS in a negative light again, I know I'm probably bothering people by bringing it up but I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything here.

It is complicated which is all the more reason why when someone tells me "It is that obvious," it is hard for me to believe. I strongly believe the whole point is to save it til the end. I know some hate this answer, but it doesn't mean it is the wrong one. I would not be surprised if Kishi was like "Yeah, I had to stall everything until the end."


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:59 PM

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:08 PM

Given the recent event which sent some NS fans on red alert on other sites, I wouldn't be overly concerned given the fact of how sudden and just how well, anti-climatic it would be, I mean killing Sakura doesn't serve any purpose.

 

As I said this would reduce NH to the most overly convinent and fodder pairing rather than go forward with development and other stuff (hints like kushinas foreshadow of an ending pairing, 631 being an extension that it could be NS). My best defense to this cliffhanger in saying sakura will live is simply because she is a member of team 7, its a matter of one thing cannot exist without the other. Team 7 cannot exist without Sakura, its incomplete and the things on her end are well obviously unresolved if she dies, I mean those revived by the edo tensei practically all became resolved characters because well, they came back with a whole war of conflict. Sakura dying doesn't resolve anything, it leaves much unfinished on her side and on others. naruto cannot exactly reunite the team in the end if any die. I feel a better explanation is this:

 

If Sakura were to die, who would fill in the blanks, who would accomplish the stuff she orignally had? Well the romance subplot is overly simplified with Hinata as Naruto's love interest, but does Hinata fit into the whole team 7 aspect concerning Sasuke? No she doesn't. Sasuke and Hinata are polar opposites, they never interact or associate with each other. They never impacted each other, they never even spoke. If this wasn't the biggest gap for HInata, I don't know what is. Hinata cannot fulfill all the other stuff Sakura leaves behind, the whole team 7 aspect. What about Ino? She is impacted by Sasuke but has been unused in this regard so thats a pass on her. Karin, well karin fits on the sasuke stuff and knows Naruto has a brighter side but she doesn't know the whole conflict, only a bit from what she heard at the land of iron. Out of any girls with some love attribute, karin comes closest oddly enough to fitting the stuff sakura leaves behind but even then, theres no one else who can fulfill:

 

-Being part of team 7

-knowing the conflict between naruto and sasuke, even having an indirect impact on it (Sai's reveal)

-associated with both of them

-knows both of them and what they would do

-is in part driven by the conflict of the others as well

-resolves in supporting the two on all their hardships (well its naruto mostly at this point, sasuke is in mistrust).

 

Thats what I mean, how can people expect this other stuff to be focused on by anyone other than her? Hinata has no business with Sasuke, Karin is on Sasukes side for things but knows hardly anything on naruto or the conflict between the two, Ino hasn't been presented enough, its just a mess of holes in stuff like this related to team 7 if she gets axed. I mean doesn't anyone see a big conflict on Sakura when it comes to what Naruto does/tries to do and what Sasuke has pulled and the impact this had on her? She was caught up so long in this situation of she "cares" for naruto and supports him while still "loving" sasuke but mistrusting him, this whole conflict still bypass people that if this is her established conflict between the two then the question of 'How will Sakura act if Sasuke tries to outright kill Naruto? How will this impact her? This goes unanswered cause she would be dead.



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:24 PM

Given the recent event which sent some NS fans on red alert on other sites, I wouldn't be overly concerned given the fact of how sudden and just how well, anti-climatic it would be, I mean killing Sakura doesn't serve any purpose.

Killing a meaningfull character, death not being cheap or even make Naruto goes into a despair for the first time of his life without being things forced like comparing Neji's death to Rin's.
I'm against her death which will not happen because any message Kishimoto tried to send with this manga is already destroyed, and Naruto's character is pratically full developed.
 

Thats what I mean, how can people expect this other stuff to be focused on by anyone other than her? Hinata has no business with Sasuke, Karin is on Sasukes side for things but knows hardly anything on naruto or the conflict between the two, Ino hasn't been presented enough, its just a mess of holes in stuff like this related to team 7 if she gets axed. I mean doesn't anyone see a big conflict on Sakura when it comes to what Naruto does/tries to do and what Sasuke has pulled and the impact this had on her? She was caught up so long in this situation of she "cares" for naruto and supports him while still "loving" sasuke but mistrusting him, this whole conflict still bypass people that if this is her established conflict between the two then the question of 'How will Sakura act if Sasuke tries to outright kill Naruto? How will this impact her? This goes unanswered cause she would be dead.

Those questions are irrelevant because they are asnwered already, no matter if Sasuke belongs to team 7 or not, not just her but the rest of k11 considers Sasuke as an enemy and she's aware of that, by siding with Sasuke would make her a traitor and she would betray Naruto, i dont think Sakura would do that because the storyline shows it so.
This whole matter was already been discussed when Naruto returned from the summit and he had a reunion with K11.

Your questions would have been valid if Sasuke didnt left the village on part 1.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:00 PM

I'm really not worried about Sakura. But maybe I'm in happy denile. Like, there is no way my favorite character is going to die. Oh-no! Not happening!

 

I mean, she might get seriously injured but I doubt it will result in death. With Obito there I doubt he will let another Rin moment happen right before his eyes. And Naruto, it seems, has the ability to enter the Kumai dimension as he wishes now. So he could always save Sakura. Which I think is unlikely but a girl can dream.

 

What I really hope for is for a moment for Sakura to hold her own. This would be a rare opertunity for Kishimoto to really let her character shine and show just how much she has actually progressed. Do I think it'll happen that way? No. Do I hope like there is no tomorrow that Sakura has a moment in the spotlight? Hell yeah!

 

As far as Sasuke saving Sakura... I just don't see it happening. I mean, I could be totally wrong, but I think Sasuke has always been a 'tunnel vision' type of character. And I think what's in his line of vision right now is Madara and Madara only. I mean in each goal he has undertaken he has not hesitated to step over (or through) his comrads. He's tried to kill everyone from Konoha, Naruto and Sakura mostly, his own members of Hebi, and Oroch. What's to say that he would suddenly change his behavior pattern to save Sakura?



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:19 PM

Even I think people here are being paranoid....me...someone who still thinks SS is a threat.

 

Sakura isn't going to be saved by Sasuke, and she most certainly isn't going to be killed either.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:28 PM

To me SS has been dead since chapter 3 ever since Sasuke called Sakura annoying. So I have nothing to worry about. SS is like a corpse that Kishi keeps stabbing when its been dead for so long.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:31 PM

To me SS has been dead since chapter 3 ever since Sasuke called Sakura annoying. So I have nothing to worry about. SS is like a corpse that Kishi keeps stabbing when its been dead for so long.

SS has been dead since the story came into Kishi's head.


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:11 AM

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:28 AM

it died in part 1 to me, after all that time they did even spend, he just called her annoying and knocked her out. The pinnicale of this is that when we got to the land of iron, there is nothing positive about that moment. I don't know how people even tried to salvage the pairing in any reasonable argument after that, 540 and 635 make it clear she doesn't like what he became nor trust him. How can anyone at this point even think its got a remote chance to happen? SS is like a cancer, its not healthy nor needed, yet its persistant and refuses to die. The equivalent of using high radiation to get rid of cancer is when sakura finally gets over him. I just cannot understand why people think she wont change in this aspect, a difference does exist between ideal love and real love and well, apparently it makes no sense to people that growing and gaining feelings isnt as good as preexisting ones like sakura and hinata have.

 

But as everything has happened, for people expecting SS to come, its the same as those expecting Sakura to just be suddenly killed ASAP in the next or coming chapters. All I know is, looking back and seeing stuff like the debate thread, its again a simple prospect of this doesn't vanish into nothingness, it will have resolve. She is in danger but not dead and I'm betting obito will save her.


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:43 AM

it died in part 1 to me, after all that time they did even spend, he just called her annoying and knocked her out. The pinnicale of this is that when we got to the land of iron, there is nothing positive about that moment. I don't know how people even tried to salvage the pairing in any reasonable argument after that, 540 and 635 make it clear she doesn't like what he became nor trust him. How can anyone at this point even think its got a remote chance to happen? SS is like a cancer, its not healthy nor needed, yet its persistant and refuses to die. The equivalent of using high radiation to get rid of cancer is when sakura finally gets over him. I just cannot understand why people think she wont change in this aspect, a difference does exist between ideal love and real love and well, apparently it makes no sense to people that growing and gaining feelings isnt as good as preexisting ones like sakura and hinata have.
 
But as everything has happened, for people expecting SS to come, its the same as those expecting Sakura to just be suddenly killed ASAP in the next or coming chapters. All I know is, looking back and seeing stuff like the debate thread, its again a simple prospect of this doesn't vanish into nothingness, it will have resolve. She is in danger but not dead and I'm betting obito will save her.

What do you mean by pre existing feelings?
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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:49 AM

Question of the next day since this day is coming to an end:

 

We all believe what we see from Naruto to Sakura; however, what if we were wrong because we were blinded? They say you can kill the whole development with a simple word or so. That said here's the dialogue:

 

Naruto: You're the girl I will always love.

Sakura: Yeah, but you would seem like you only love me for my looks.

Naruto: Er, yes...

Sakura: What else?

Naruto: What else? What else is there?....

Sai: *facepalm*

Kakashi: *Thumbs down*

 

So, coming from that, what is your reaction?



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 01:56 AM

What do you mean by pre existing feelings?

I mean those that we were introduced with when characters like Sakura and Hinata first came in, they already loved others.

 

Yes Naruto in this case had preexisting feelings for Sakura, but kishi more or less displayed theres merit and purpose on naruto's love for sakura given events like sai's reveal, the land of iron stuff, and the kushina foreshadow giving hints of NS in the end.

 

I mean to many fans, they think because these already exist or have been around for the longest time, that kishi should just roll with it despite sakura's love for sasuke actively changing to something antagonistic while the stuff with naruto and sakura became well, better and in her case she went from hating naruto to wanting him to live more than anything so he could achieve his dream. As for naruto and hinata, its been positive at least but it hasn't changed much. To fans, they don't want the progression feelings, they want those that remained in back or didnt go far.


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:42 AM

Question of the next day since this day is coming to an end:
 
We all believe what we see from Naruto to Sakura; however, what if we were wrong because we were blinded? They say you can kill the whole development with a simple word or so. That said here's the dialogue:
 
Naruto: You're the girl I will always love.
Sakura: Yeah, but you would seem like you only love me for my looks.
Naruto: Er, yes...
Sakura: What else?
Naruto: What else? What else is there?....
Sai: *facepalm*
Kakashi: *Thumbs down*
 
So, coming from that, what is your reaction?


Not that I think that would be right but its not like Sakura would be in any position to judge, her undying love for Sauce is simply because she thinks he's cool

it died in part 1 to me, after all that time they did even spend, he just called her annoying and knocked her out. The pinnicale of this is that when we got to the land of iron, there is nothing positive about that moment. I don't know how people even tried to salvage the pairing in any reasonable argument after that, 540 and 635 make it clear she doesn't like what he became nor trust him. How can anyone at this point even think its got a remote chance to happen? SS is like a cancer, its not healthy nor needed, yet its persistant and refuses to die. The equivalent of using high radiation to get rid of cancer is when sakura finally gets over him. I just cannot understand why people think she wont change in this aspect, a difference does exist between ideal love and real love and well, apparently it makes no sense to people that growing and gaining feelings isnt as good as preexisting ones like sakura and hinata have.

But as everything has happened, for people expecting SS to come, its the same as those expecting Sakura to just be suddenly killed ASAP in the next or coming chapters. All I know is, looking back and seeing stuff like the debate thread, its again a simple prospect of this doesn't vanish into nothingness, it will have resolve. She is in danger but not dead and I'm betting obito will save her.


Its kind of obvious Obito is gonna save her, Kishi just isn't good with cliffhangers (not as bad as Kubo is though)

Like during the Sasuke and Itachi fight when it went on a 3 week hiatus after Itachi supposedly gauged out Sasuke's eye only for it to be genjutsu

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:43 AM

Not that I think that would be right but its not like Sakura would be in any position to judge, her undying love for Sauce is simply because she thinks he's cool

True, but two wrongs don't make it right. This can kill NS completely. Not saying it will happen but man, that would have been a disaster.




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