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#741 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 12:39 PM

lets put it this way, we see dragon ball characters work together more in movies or a few times in manga than we ever see naruto characters working together, even the broly movies had more teamwork than naruto ever did :down: heck in the meta cooler movie vegeta and goku were partly working together for once, without involving fusion, and in fusion reborn they worked together against janemba before finally deciding they couldn't win unless they fused.  still more teamwork than we ever got here....

 

 

also I agree, the anime did mislead ALOT of people, they do fanservice so much in the anime it tarnishes the original source and it's borderline stupidity....

I used DBZ as an example but also because it is a major influence in how shounen battle go down. It is normally a one on one honor duel bout with everyone else just watching and explaining anything to the "Watson." So they readers can understand what is going on. (this even happens in shounen manga that aren't battle manga) Even in the manga.

 

The thing is. It is fine if DBZ don't have team ups because they are "fighters." Combat for them is testing there skills against strong opponents. Everyone in the group and hopefully the audience knows this. So we know why they don't interfere. So if they have to team up to take someone down it just goes to show how much of a threat that enemy is.

 

But the ninjas are a military organization that in-theory train their ninjas to work in teams. So the norm should be them working in a group to take down their enemy. And if they have to fight one on one. Then it should be set up for the readers to understand the potential danger this is for the character. Because they don't have other to work off of and cover any weakness they have and have to stand on their own against a powerful opponent. Instead it the standard one on one bouts where everyone else are just commenting on the fight. The only time they work together is against a powerful opponent and even this it more like it just turns showing off their abilities to look cool instead of actually working together.

 

The thing is if Naruto didn't have that moral about team work it wouldn't matter. It would just be another standard battle manga. That just does that standards for battle manga. But because he made it have that moral about team work. Him not having them is now failing to implement what is suppose to be a major part even core of his story.

 

Statement: It's thanks to anime that people are misled to the actual content (manga), such as pairing moments that didn't happen, more fighting that is more in-line with taijutsu, and characters that appear to be more than the original self. Because of them, people become a much hardcore fan than what it perhaps could have been toned down, to the point they see it as the greatest series ever.

Agree or disagree?

Does anyone actually think this is the greatest series ever? But yeah it is the anime fault for over showing hinata to soon. Then falling for her and over hyping her till the point that during that two year of filler before shippuden she and kiba were his most common companions.

 

They also did a lot of flanderizing characters they stripped down hinata into their dream sex doll, over played Sakura hitting Naruto, overdid Naruto love of ramen, and so much more.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 01 August 2016 - 12:48 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 06:07 PM

I used DBZ as an example but also because it is a major influence in how shounen battle go down. It is normally a one on one honor duel bout with everyone else just watching and explaining anything to the "Watson." So they readers can understand what is going on. (this even happens in shounen manga that aren't battle manga) Even in the manga.

 

The thing is. It is fine if DBZ don't have team ups because they are "fighters." Combat for them is testing there skills against strong opponents. Everyone in the group and hopefully the audience knows this. So we know why they don't interfere. So if they have to team up to take someone down it just goes to show how much of a threat that enemy is.

 

But the ninjas are a military organization that in-theory train their ninjas to work in teams. So the norm should be them working in a group to take down their enemy. And if they have to fight one on one. Then it should be set up for the readers to understand the potential danger this is for the character. Because they don't have other to work off of and cover any weakness they have and have to stand on their own against a powerful opponent. Instead it the standard one on one bouts where everyone else are just commenting on the fight. The only time they work together is against a powerful opponent and even this it more like it just turns showing off their abilities to look cool instead of actually working together.

 

The thing is if Naruto didn't have that moral about team work it wouldn't matter. It would just be another standard battle manga. That just does that standards for battle manga. But because he made it have that moral about team work. Him not having them is now failing to implement what is suppose to be a major part even core of his story.

 

Does anyone actually think this is the greatest series ever? But yeah it is the anime fault for over showing hinata to soon. Then falling for her and over hyping her till the point that during that two year of filler before shippuden she and kiba were his most common companions.

 

They also did a lot of flanderizing characters they stripped down hinata into their dream sex doll, over played Sakura hitting Naruto, overdid Naruto love of ramen, and so much more.

no I know what you meant, I was just giving another example of a shonen that has teamwork more often than naruto besides one piece.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:27 PM

Statement: It's thanks to anime that people are misled to the actual content (manga), such as pairing moments that didn't happen, more fighting that is more in-line with taijutsu, and characters that appear to be more than the original self. Because of them, people become a much hardcore fan than what it perhaps could have been toned down, to the point they see it as the greatest series ever.

Agree or disagree?

We live in a world of laziness... nothing could possess me to say I disagree with your statement. So yes, I agree

 

The anime is what got people to hate Sakura. Then when we all grew up and got into Shippuden, that philosophy never changed despite the fact Hinata was just as wothless if not more so then Sakura. 


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 11:02 AM

Statement: It's thanks to anime that people are misled to the actual content (manga), such as pairing moments that didn't happen, more fighting that is more in-line with taijutsu, and characters that appear to be more than the original self. Because of them, people become a much hardcore fan than what it perhaps could have been toned down, to the point they see it as the greatest series ever.

Agree or disagree?

 

Agree, anime staff really mess up a lot.  



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Posted 26 August 2016 - 11:14 AM

Statement: The series is good when it comes to its moment. However, when culminating everything else with it, it turns out to be rather "dumb" or "bad." For example, Team 7 doing their final mission and beat Kaguya was considered neat. However, knowing the fight did end there, the overall is rather bad.

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Posted 26 August 2016 - 11:20 AM

Statement: The series is good when it comes to its moment. However, when culminating everything else with it, it turns out to be rather "dumb" or "bad." For example, Team 7 doing their final mission and beat Kaguya was considered neat. However, knowing the fight did end there, the overall is rather bad.

Agree or disagree?

More or less. It was fine during Yahagi term since he actually cared the story he and kishimoto were working on, but under the other editors their goal was to make hinata the heroine at all cost.



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Posted 27 August 2016 - 12:18 PM

Statement: The series is good when it comes to its moment. However, when culminating everything else with it, it turns out to be rather "dumb" or "bad." For example, Team 7 doing their final mission and beat Kaguya was considered neat. However, knowing the fight did end there, the overall is rather bad.

Agree or disagree?

Agree. There were some awesome moments, where the you can tell just by the illustration that this is what Kishimoto had in mind all along. Some of the fight scenes, the few of the Team 7 reunited scenes, some of the scenes of Sakura saving Naruto at the end (and vice-versa), etc.

 

But then there are other whole segments that are just from out-of-the-blue, confusing, poorly illustrated and left readers with a feeling that the story is drifting, that Kishi didn't care what he was writing or that he was stalling for time. Hinata and her sappy battlefield speeches (when she's mooning over Naruto's eyes, or forgetting that her cousin is dead on the ground beside her); the Obito arc (specifically where Sakura saves him) and it's obvious parallels to NS...that only end up unfulfilled; Naruto and Sasuke's ending fight that turned out to be a fast and lame schoolyard brawl...that ended with absolutely no resolution to their series-long conflict. 

 

So yeah, up to the Pain arc, the overall product was good. But after that, the series is reduced to some good scenes/moments, but the big story just unraveled in the end.



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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:32 PM

Agree. There were some awesome moments, where the you can tell just by the illustration that this is what Kishimoto had in mind all along. Some of the fight scenes, the few of the Team 7 reunited scenes, some of the scenes of Sakura saving Naruto at the end (and vice-versa), etc.

 

But then there are other whole segments that are just from out-of-the-blue, confusing, poorly illustrated and left readers with a feeling that the story is drifting, that Kishi didn't care what he was writing or that he was stalling for time. Hinata and her sappy battlefield speeches (when she's mooning over Naruto's eyes, or forgetting that her cousin is dead on the ground beside her); the Obito arc (specifically where Sakura saves him) and it's obvious parallels to NS...that only end up unfulfilled; Naruto and Sasuke's ending fight that turned out to be a fast and lame schoolyard brawl...that ended with absolutely no resolution to their series-long conflict. 

 

So yeah, up to the Pain arc, the overall product was good. But after that, the series is reduced to some good scenes/moments, but the big story just unraveled in the end.

I wish I could look at some art and tell if the creator is giving a kitten or not. Moving on the reason that before the Pein arc every thing (with some minor hiccup) was great. Kishimoto and Yahagi were in sync working together. They knew what the story was about and where they wanted the story to go. The new editors either were too inexperience and didn't sync up with kishi or their goal was to make hinata the heroine making them come into conflict with kishi.



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Posted 27 August 2016 - 09:27 PM

Statement: The series is good when it comes to its moment. However, when culminating everything else with it, it turns out to be rather "dumb" or "bad." For example, Team 7 doing their final mission and beat Kaguya was considered neat. However, knowing the fight did end there, the overall is rather bad.

Agree or disagree?

Agree it's plot is already ridiculous but overall it's just average at best. Nothing ground breaking really. 



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Posted 29 August 2016 - 02:08 PM

I wish I could look at some art and tell if the creator is giving a shit or not. Moving on the reason that before the Pein arc every thing (with some minor hiccup) was great. Kishimoto and Yahagi were in sync working together. They knew what the story was about and where they wanted the story to go. The new editors either were too inexperience and didn't sync up with kishi or their goal was to make hinata the heroine making them come into conflict with kishi.

It seems like Naruto tipped the scales of popularity, going from the manga being a great story start-to-finish, to the manga being just a vehicle to extend the life of the franchise. Yahagi and Kishimoto seemed to be about the story, but the new editors were either letting Kishimoto spin his wheels (the endless mini-arcs and going-nowhere parallels in the war arc) or pushing him toward the future NH/Bolt/Sarada series (by suddenly ramping up Hinata's involvment at the end of the manga and then killing off Neji).






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