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[Bail o' Lies]

Happy New Year's Eve. What a year. Fuck all still happened in Boruto but it seems the companies have had enough of that. So, now they are doing these side manga to see how they can make profits off this franchise.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 6

 

Sasuke is staring at the room full of cocks in confusion... granted he probably uses his own so rarely he doesn't know what it is. There are fossils in the room. My guess hinting at some resurrection experiment...why is everyone unhappy with the edo tensei? Zanzul ask if anyone is inside his cock room. Huh. I figure he turn himself into a cock in order to hide...which would make him less of a prick. But, instead it was always just a shadow clone he dispelled...it be interesting if he and Sakura learned it from Naruto but I doubt it.

 

Sakura gets another message from Kakashi. She sends another message back before heading to the prison cafeteria to eat with the prisoners...pardon me. I assume that prison staff and the prisoners do not eat at the same time at the same place. In order to prevent things like say convicts trying to stage a break out due to having hostages, if not even just spite killing, or in the case of a woman, rape. I assume I'm correct and it looks like I am by what I looked up, but can anyone tell me if I am wrong.

 

So after Sakura is sexually assaulted and killed by a legion of horny convicts that haven't seen another woman in months if not years. Sorry, that does not happen because I guess they saw the ring on her finger and realize that she is protected by the Guy Code. They just stare politely but lustfully at her while she gets her meal and sits down. The old guy who is one of Sasuke's cellmates, the one that paints his toenails, they talk about the discovery of the heliocentric system apparently. Sakura apparently was once taught that the Earth was the center and the Sun revolved around it. Is this suppose to show how their world progressed in the last two decades? The old guy notices her ring allowing her to talk about Sasuke. She tries to be vague but he correctly guesses who. Apparently, the tree outside is a Sakura tree, Sasuke normally sits in the place she is sitting now waiting for the Sakura tree to bloom; to show he thinks about her.

 

Sakura goes back to her office and ponders stuff. She comes up with a theory that the hand seal ninjas uses might also be connected to this mystery.

 

Sasuke and Jiji are doing a task. They see a lake and Jiji informs him that it formed due to a meteor. He says that it looks red right now but at certain times it changes to the color blue, making it look like a piece of the sky landed there...do you get it?  Sasuke leaves with this discovery and stumbles upon Sakura. They share discoveries and make plans to go to the lake tonight.

 

3/10. I am sick of the management of this prison. Also, I have never seen a mystery be this blatant before. Taping the answers to the end of a hammer and bashing the reader in the skull, would be more subtle than anything this story has done.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 January 2023 - 12:54 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

The whole ring thing is cringe

[Bail o' Lies]

The whole ring thing is cringe

The concept is nice and easy for the intended audience to understand. Japan didn't originally use rings to symbolize marriage, they only started doing that after westernizing. So, it both shows the ninja world is modernizing while showing Sasuke cares about Sakura.

 

Its annoying that it is so focus on, but understandable. But its ruined to me that the ring was just something Sasuke made on a whim, and he did it partially to mark her, so the prisoners would stop hitting on her due to the Guy Code. Its a rock ring with a shiny rock he made from jutsu in a few seconds. The only value is that he made it on his own for her. Beyond that its worthless. Part of the purpose of the ring is to show off the value the husbands puts into his wife and marriage. Care and Cost are both important. If a man just buys a random expensive ring without thinking about his wife. It shows, that he thinks she is 'valuable,' but doesn't care about her as a person. Here, it shows Sasuke 'cares' about her but she isn't worth much. Which makes sense because he got her so easy in the first place, never had to do anything for her.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 13 January 2023 - 09:09 AM.

[Phantom_999]

That just speaks to me how flimsy their marriage is t o him. he couldn't be bothered to give her a ring to symbolize they are married until someone else comes on to her. Traditional values aside, it would have been more meaningful if he did that in the first place without any any ulterior motives. I'm not bothered by the half @$$ed ring at all, rather than the fact Sasuke couldn't give a kitten about his marriage with Sakura until a another man makes a physical pass at her. It just feels cheap and the furthest thing from "romantic" in my mind.

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 January 2023 - 04:44 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

That just speaks to me how flimsy their marriage is t o him. he couldn't be bothered to give her a ring to symbolize they are married until someone else comes on to her. Traditional values aside, it would have been more meaningful if he did that in the first place without any any ulterior motives. I'm not bothered by the half @$$ed ring at all, rather than the fact Sasuke couldn't give a kitten about his marriage with Sakura until a another man makes a physical pass at her. It just feels cheap and the furthest thing from "romantic" in my mind.

It isn't a tradition practice in the leaf...apparently. He did it in part because he was constantly being reminded of Jiji hitting on Sakura therefor to mark her so no one else hit on her. However...since this is a SS manga it was also to show he cared about her.

 

Personally, I would have waited till the end of the story. When they were about to leave the country. Sasuke and Sakura are walking down the street and Sasuke notices a jewelry shop. He is reminded of the ring tradition his cellmates kept telling him about. So he walks in and asks about it. He looks through the rings until he spots one that reminds him of Sakura. An emerald that reminds him of her eyes, or a pink gem that reminds him of her hair, he buys it...the eye one would be better in my opinion. He then puts it on the finger of a confused Sakura, since she hasn't been in the country that long and no one explained the tradition to her. So, then walking away or just not looking at her, he explains the ring tradition to her. She looks stunned for a second, then looks tenderly at the ring, has some thoughts, and looks fondly back at him. They keep walking. Then when we see Naruto cured. He notice that both Sasuke and Sakura have metal bands on their fingers.

 

Again, like always, a large problem is they want their scene, but they don't write it in a way that flows naturally.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 01 January 2023 - 05:11 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Bail, I might have to start investigating you for easily you thought of that SS scenario.

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 01 January 2023 - 09:12 PM.

[Therece]

Finally someone give some importance and remembered Sakura's hair.

Sakura's pink Hair is a much more important feature than her forehead size...

I mean she is the only known female in Naruto Universe with Pink Hair. I don't remember a single person commeting about this in the original Story.

Edited by Therece, 01 January 2023 - 11:38 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Bail, I might have to start investigating you for easily you thought of that SS scenario.

Its a pretty standard romance scenario. At the end of an event the guy remembers something told to him earlier. Then add in that Sasuke is suppose to be not as honest and forthright about his feelings as he should be. As well as this is a custom they are unfamiliar that Sakura may not know about. But standard works, if its done well, and it better then just being done because the story keeps pestering the guy to do it.

 

Finally someone give some importance and remembered Sakura's hair.

Sakura's pink Hair is a much more important feature than her forehead size...

I mean she is the only known female in Naruto Universe with Pink Hair. I don't remember a single person commenting about this in the original Story.

Her forehead is given so much importance because its her feature she hated. The thing she felt made Sasuke not like her, along with her figure not being as impressive. Naruto disguised as Sasuke made Sakura fall in love with Sasuke by complimenting her forehead. Same with Kushina hating her hair but falling for Minato because he thought it was beautiful. Some girls would rather be told their worst feature is beautiful then one of their best, especially a girl as insecure as Sakura.

 

...Hasn't there been other girls with Pink Hair? Anyways the reason Sasuke looks at the Sakura tree isn't just that the petal are the same color as her hair but that she is named after it. Ino did at least during the flashback, the name part not the hair.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 January 2023 - 12:54 AM.

[Therece]

Only Ino remembers Sakura forehead complex and just to annoy her during the entire manga. Naruto just in chapter 3...
At the end was just a coincidence Sasuke poke Sakura exactly in her forehead.

Sakura's hair is just her most prominent feature. At least i think it's much more flashy than her forehead.
Now i'm surprised nobody in the original manga made any coment about her hair color.

 

The closest thing to this was when that Sound girl grabbed Sakura head  and said her hair was too soft

Yes. Sakura is the only female with Pink Hair.

Edited by Therece, 02 January 2023 - 02:34 AM.

[Phantom_999]

It isn't a tradition practice in the leaf...apparently. He did it in part because he was constantly being reminded of Jiji hitting on Sakura therefor to mark her so no one else hit on her. However...since this is a SS manga it was also to show he cared about her.

 

Personally, I would have waited till the end of the story. When they were about to leave the country. Sasuke and Sakura are walking down the street and Sasuke notices a jewelry shop. He is reminded of the ring tradition his cellmates kept telling him about. So he walks in and asks about it. He looks through the rings until he spots one that reminds him of Sakura. An emerald that reminds him of her eyes, or a pink gem that reminds him of her hair, he buys it...the eye one would be better in my opinion. He then puts it on the finger of a confused Sakura, since she hasn't been in the country that long and no one explained the tradition to her. So, then walking away or just not looking at her, he explains the ring tradition to her. She looks stunned for a second, then looks tenderly at the ring, has some thoughts, and looks fondly back at him. They keep walking. Then when we see Naruto cured. He notice that both Sasuke and Sakura have metal bands on their fingers.

 

Again, like always, a large problem is they want their scene, but they don't write it in a way that flows naturally.

 

That's why I said it was cheap. As usual, it felt forced and is artificially shoving it down your throat that they are married and in love. It gives no romantic vibes from me, and was tossed in just because.

 

Finally someone give some importance and remembered Sakura's hair.

 

Sakura's pink Hair is a much more important feature than her forehead size...

 

I mean she is the only known female in Naruto Universe with Pink Hair. I don't remember a single person commeting about this in the original Story.

 

I disagree. Sakura had a complex about it. having someone she loves compliment it would at least give her confidence in herself about it. how is her hair important? no one really distinguishes her from her hair.

Edited by Phantom_999, 02 January 2023 - 06:47 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Only Ino remembers Sakura forehead complex and just to annoy her during the entire manga. Naruto just in chapter 3...
At the end was just a coincidence Sasuke poke Sakura exactly in her forehead.

Sakura's hair is just her most prominent feature. At least i think it's much more flashy than her forehead.
Now I'm surprised nobody in the original manga made any comment about her hair color.

 

The closest thing to this was when that Sound girl grabbed Sakura head  and said her hair was too soft

Yes. Sakura is the only female with Pink Hair.

Sakura's forehead is her most prominent feature as far as the story is concern. Pink hair especially among heroines is very common in anime/manga.

 

Ino was the one that helped her when she was being bullied about it. She uses it as a nickname both as a taunt when Sakura broke up their friendship and teases her once they became friends again. And the scene bench was important because its what made Sakura go from having a crush on Sasuke to falling in love with him as far as the story was concern. Kishimoto is a person that is good with an initial storyline but terrible on any follow-through. The scene was clear set up to be reveal that it was Naruto all along signifying her being in love with Sasuke to being in love with Naruto. It was just abandoned. Sasuke doing that poke thing is both to invoke what Itachi used to do to him and convince her its still about the forehead.

 

Kin was doing that to shame her that, 'she was more focus on her looks than on training, now her team was going to die because she was a dead weight.' Then Sakura cutting it was to show she was shifting to being more serious about being a ninja instead of just trying to be pretty for Sasuke. Kishimoto's problems with follow-through do not cancel out the intended meaning of a scene.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 January 2023 - 06:57 AM.

[Therece]

Not in the general manga/Anime.
But in Naruto Universe. Sakura's hair color is very rare. Until now she is the only known female with Pink Hair.


I really don't believe Sakura only fail in love with Sasuke because of that forehead comment.
The own "Sasuke" said at the time only Naruto would say something like that  and sakura got sad.

When Sakura bring this scene again in chapter 181.
She didn't think the forehead comment was important enough to be remembered.

(The perfect Moment to Destroy SS with Sakura figuring out Sasuke never said that)

 

But instead she brought back the moment when Sasuke scold her when she was making fun of orphans as a important lesson/moment for her.

Anyway nobody in the manga aside from these child  bullies and Ino saw Sakura and thinks how her forehead is big. I stil think her Pink Hair is  a much more unique feature than her forehead...

Edited by Therece, 02 January 2023 - 05:54 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Naruto did. That's why he complimented it when "disguised as Sasuke." But besides the point. Sure her hair can be her distinguishing feature to you, and that is perfectly fine, It is is the most impressionable to me too. But that does not make it her distinguishing feature in general, story wise because no one really comments on it. Just Ino and the childhood bullies said her forehead was big? Fair enough, but that meant that it is a character trait that is brought up. Her pink hair is not brought up and no one, especially not Sasuke compliments her pink hair. I'm not debating that her pink hair is not noticeable or not impressionable but if no one talks about it in the story then it does not actually distinguish her to other characters. That is what my point is.

 

 Also "Sakura did not fall in love with Sasuke because of that forehead comment." Right, she fell in love with him because he was a cool and mysterious "bad boy" which in of itself is shallow.

Edited by Phantom_999, 02 January 2023 - 06:51 PM.

[Therece]

Naruto did. That's why he complimented it when "disguised as Sasuke." But besides the point. Sure her hair can be her distinguishing feature to you, and that is perfectly fine, It is is the most impressionable to me too. But that does not make it her distinguishing feature in general, story wise because no one really comments on it. Just Ino and the childhood bullies said her forehead was big? Fair enough, but that meant that it is a character trait that is brought up. Her pink hair is not brought up and no one, especially not Sasuke compliments her pink hair. I'm not debating that her pink hair is not noticeable or not impressionable but if no one talks about it in the story then it does not actually distinguish her to other characters. That is what my point is.

 

 

Yes. Only in CHAPTER 3 and Naruto  never commented again how beatifull her forehead is. The only moment when Sakura remembered this specific chapter. She didn't even bring back her forehead complex thing.

My point is Sakura is the only know girl with pink hair in the entire Naruto's universe. It's really surprising nobody even mentioned this. At least someone finally noticed how unique Sakura hair color really is.

 

 

 Also "Sakura did not fall in love with Sasuke because of that forehead comment." Right, she fell in love with him because he was a cool and mysterious "bad boy" which in of itself is shallow.

Nah... He wasn't the perfect and strong bad boy.
If Sakura only loved Sasuke cool aspects or his popularity. She should have fell for Lee when he easily defeated Sasuke or to Naruto when he become the new most popular guy in Konoha.

Probably or how SS fans likes to explain she just had a crush on him. But the moment she was put together in the same team as him and  began to coexist and work together with Sasuke and see his true person and flaws.  The crush turned in love.

The same with Naruto >>>>>>>>>> Sakura.

By this argument Naruto reasons to love Sakura is shallow too. Why he loved Sakura?
Because she was the most beatifull, inteligent and dedicated Sasuke fangirl and he wanted to steal this from Sasuke?
The Last come with this kitten excuse.

Edited by Therece, 02 January 2023 - 09:11 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Sorry but that argument for Naruto and Sakura holds no water even if you think that it is the same thing as what I'm saying. Naruto ACTUALLY spent time with Sakura and Sakura spent time with Naruto throughout the story. Sakura started to see the real Naruto and Naruto was perfectly willing to let Sakura be  happy even if it wasn't with him so their relationship was not shallow in the least until the last butchered it. Do you recall a moment when Sasuke spent any time with Sakura in the manga/ anime? Just the 2 of them? Because I can't and I remember a vast majority of the story if it wasn't fillers and fillers don't hold water because they are skipped over like they never existed. Sakura's dynamic with Sasuke can't be called love in my opinion because it was never evolved beyond crush level and was never allowed to because Sasuke left the village. Even in the beginning Sasuke shut Sakura out of his life and doesn't give the time of day day so I don't see what "developing into love you're talking about". Before the time skip, Sakura would ask to be alone with Sasuke or go on a date with him and he tells her to LEAVE HIM ALONE. Things got even worse after the time skip because Sakura is NOT HAPPY when she thinks about Sasuke. If that is what you call "love" we can't see eye to eye on this matter.

 

Back on the topic of Sakura's pink hair you're not understanding what I'm saying. Sakura's forehead was never talked about again but at least other characters mention it. WHEN has anyone mentioned Sakura's hair color? AT ALL? I don't remember, so please provide and example instead of "you notice she has pink hair so that makes her unique and special to you". Other characters have to notice it too before it can be called her unique feature in story. You're confusing what viewers think of Sakura's unique feature is to what other characters' views on what Sakura's unique feature is.

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 January 2023 - 01:02 AM.

[Therece]

Honestly i will not discurss or defend SS  in a NS forum. Neither i'm intested in this. I originally preferred NS. But i don't despise/hate SS. I just undertand they have the bare mimimum interaction and important moments especially in Part 1 to be a couple at the end and at the same time the most Popular Naruto pairing in Japan easily surpassing both NaruSaku/NaruHina. Maybe even in west.

But if you really want to know or discurss that. Twiiter/Quora/Tumblr/Facebook are full of SasuSaku groups and pages who happily wanted to discuss/show this moments and how important these moments are to Sasuke/Sakura, if you don't disrespect their favorite pairing.

The only point is the Forehead comment wans't important to Sakura fell in love with Sasuke. She already had a  crush with Sasuke before that and began to care genuinely about him as a person during part 1/part2.  She didn't even bring back her forehead complex and how "Sasuke" praised her forehead when she had the opportunity to talk about this with the true  Sasuke.

read my comment again
 i'm surprised exactly because that. Nobody even mentioned or make any comment about her pink Hair.
Like i said i think Sakura's pink Hair much more unique than her forehead.

Edited by Therece, 03 January 2023 - 06:04 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Well, I'm glad there is a discussion in these summary topics went on without me having to keep it going.

 

Still agree with Phantom. The Pink hair may stand out to you, Therece, but the story never cared about it. It cared about the forehead. Even the pink hair wouldn't matter in this side manga if her name wasn't "Sakura."

 

https://www.fandomsp...ed-anime-girls/

 

"Top 60 Cutest Pink-Haired Anime Girls: The Best Of All Time" She is #10. So for the intended audience, shounen manga readers, Pink Hair is not that uncommon.

 

I think I answered the bench scene on the NaruSaku discussion thread a few months back. Both the comment and joking about it made it seem like 'Sasuke' was letting down his guard and showing Sakura the "real" him. Something he has never done to anyone else as far as she knows; making her feel special. Which is why her crush turned into love. Then Naruto had to run to the bathroom due to bad milk. She meets the real Sasuke who was after Naruto. She wanted to end any Naruto talk so they could get back to the kissing. Here is an experiment if you have a significant other. Have a make out session and get them really into it. Then talk about something irrelevant from their parents to this one guy at work. I assure you there is nothing they want to do less than talk about something the breaks up the mode for the make out. So, she badmouthed Naruto, this pissed Sasuke off cause it hit close to home for him. Which made her feel she missed her chance by getting him angry at her, and caused her to reflect on how she was treating Naruto. When Sasuke was leaving the village Sakura invoked the bench scene to remind him of both, "his feelings for her as well as him getting angry at her. How they had spent the last few months on a team, and during all that time, he had always kept her at a distance. Making her think, that he was still angry at her for the comment. Preventing him from letting down his guard with her again." The reveal was not going to happen till near the end of the manga as once she learned of it. She would switch to Naruto. Shounen main pairing couples traditionally don't get together till near or at the end. However, by that time she was already replaced by Hinata. So, it was dropped.

 

Also a lot of events from those early chapters are important to the story whether or not they are constantly brought up. How often did Naruto think of Iruka's speech? How often did he mention anything Kakashi said in those chapters. How often do they mention Mizuki? How often was the feeding him from a bento brought up? How often was Naruto's speech to Konohamaru brought up? Some of it is called backed to death, while some are rarely mentioned, but they are all important scenes in the story.

 

The most popular Naruto pairing was always Kakashi/Iruka. The Japanese fans all knew that NS was going to happen. Which allowed them to play around with other pairings for fun. Then it didn't. Then Naruto-Boruto IP quickly fell from grace.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 03 January 2023 - 10:40 AM.

[Therece]

The most popular Naruto pairing was always Kakashi/Iruka. The Japanese fans all knew that NS was going to happen. Which allowed them to play around with other pairings for fun. Then it didn't. Then Naruto-Boruto IP quickly fell from grace.

I mean a actual Man-Woman Pairing with real chances to happen in manga. Not a Yaoi Crack Ship  with a even more non existent character than Hinata like Iruka.

The  popularity  referring the main pairings envolving Sasuke, Sakura, Naruto and Hinata second this ranking always are:

サスサク (SasuSaku) —- 139,000

ナルサク (NaruSaku) —– 85,700

ネジヒナ (NejiHina) —— 47,800

ナルヒナ (NaruHina)—— 42,600

 

リーサク (LeeSaku) —— 17,800

サスカリ (SasuKarin) —– 223

It's funny because even NejiHinata is even more popular than NH at Japan. Maybe NH is more popular now because NaruSaku sunked 8 years ago and hardly anyone still ships NS or Neji-Hinata.  But SasuSaku always remained the most popular Man-Woman Couple.

If someone wants to know more:

https://www.tumblr.c...about-jp-naruto

https://rieriebee.tu...o-the-big-three
 

Edited by Therece, 03 January 2023 - 02:00 PM.

[Namaenash]

Yet, here we are today with Boruto, with NH+SS and without NS: the franchises manga sales lost its > 95% of the revenue. Not a strictly proof by contraposition, but hard facts nonetheless. Something that less intelligent folks are having difficulty to accept.

250 million copies in 15 years vs barely 4 million in 7+ years. More than 2 million copies each volume vs less than 100k copies each volume.

[Bail o' Lies]

Yet, here we are today with Boruto, with NH+SS and without NS: the franchises manga sales lost its > 95% of the revenue. Not a strictly proof by contraposition, but hard facts nonetheless. Something that less intelligent folks are having difficulty to accept.

250 million copies in 15 years vs barely 4 million in 7+ years. More than 2 million copies each volume vs less than 100k copies each volume.

Their answer to that is Boruto isn't Naruto therefor its fans didn't support it because it wasn't Naruto. Despite the fact that Naruto and Sasuke are major characters, in the top ten of importance at the minimum. As well as why would they make a sequel if fans weren't expected to support it. Also my personal interactions with people has always been they don't support Boruto, if they are casual, was they got bored because nothing happened or bad word of mouth kept them away.

 

I mean a actual Man-Woman Pairing with real chances to happen in manga. Not a Yaoi Crack Ship  with a even more non existent character than Hinata like Iruka.

The  popularity  referring the main pairings envolving Sasuke, Sakura, Naruto and Hinata second this ranking always are:

サスサク (SasuSaku) —- 139,000

ナルサク (NaruSaku) —– 85,700

ネジヒナ (NejiHina) —— 47,800

ナルヒナ (NaruHina)—— 42,600

 

リーサク (LeeSaku) —— 17,800

サスカリ (SasuKarin) —– 223

It's funny because even NejiHinata is even more popular than NH at Japan. Maybe NH is more popular now because NaruSaku sunked 8 years ago and hardly anyone still ships NS or Neji-Hinata.  But SasuSaku always remained the most popular Man-Woman Couple.

If someone wants to know more:

https://www.tumblr.c...about-jp-naruto

https://rieriebee.tu...o-the-big-three
 

Are you saying Iruka isn't an important character? Go to Japan find some people that read Naruto and say that. You will completely stump them.

 

As for the heterosexual pairings. Again, if you were to ask all those people at the time who they think Naruto And Sakura end up with, they will go NS. 

 

Of course NejiXHinata was popular over there, it was the intended pairing for Hinata. Cousin marriage is still practice over there, and the internal clan political situation of the hyuuga clan made it ideal.