Seems I have struck a nerve. I don't know if I want to reply because this is going to lead to nowhere, but I will say this. It is NOT just the scenes themselves that are the issues, it is the context of the scenes compared to the motives of the people making them. Symbols can mean anything depending on context, but they can change. I am not sure how political I want to go here, but I can think of a few symbols that originally oppression and hatred, but are now used to symbol anarchy for freedom. That is history.
Disney and Marvel are EXTREMELY SJW. Not only do they not hide, but they downright admit it. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy to Star Wars and Kevin Feige to MCU and on and on. It is not a secret and I can pull obvious time where they purposely called fans misogynist for not liking Captain Marvel.
You are also confusing Feminist from femnazi and I think this is a huge difference. Femnazis' berate men non-stop to make them feel better. Feminist point out the sexism that take place, but pushing for equality. Wonder Woman would be a feminist. Yes, she had a scene where she called a secretary a type of slave, but you are missing the context of the scene where it takes places in WWII and the culture was different. It is a different culture meaning she didnt understand one from the other. She didn't just go in there and started spouting how bad men are.
I am a feminist, but I am not a femnazi. I believe in equality of the sexes and if you are not a feminist then you are sexist. That's not that hard to understand, but you automatically assume that "feminism" means "female superiority." That's not it at all. You are confusing the two.
So why is Captain Marvel NOT sexist, but Wonder Woman is? We are talking about the live action movies after all.
You are looking at context, but you are missing the context I said above. Why was the scene created in the first place? Sure, it became a deleted scene later on, but why was in thought of to be put in? Why did you need a guy to be that creepy and stereotypical when MOST MEN are not like this? Why even created it in the first place? Considering that Marvel and Disney are run by open SJWs who admit to wanting female superiority...the context created for the scene is clear.
Why not make another woman come up and judge her? Maybe call her a slut or something. I go out around my town every day and I NEVER see this kind of behavior occur. Not once. Yet, Hollywood keeps making these scenes like they happen every time a girl walks two steps. No. That is completely stereotypical.
This movie, portraying men like that, is sexist towards men. I am offended as a man for how creepy they portrayed this scene on both ends. It is not me whining about "look at how that huge kitten beat that poor innocent man." No. The entire scene is one sexist portrayal of men and women interaction. This doesn't happen as often as these movies want to portray.
Bonus question: Name a Marvel movie where the MALE superhero berates a female and nearly kills her after she tries to say something like "you know, you would look so much better if you wore tighter shirts" and have him steal her car or something. I'll wait.
Okay, this is the biggest joke of the whole thread. No, Captain Marvel is not Sakura. This is not even in the same ballpark. No, none has claimed that Captain Marvel alone is going to ruin the MCU. It's just one part of a whole issue that is growing. No, I am not ignoring the flaws of the other characters. Plus, Brie Larson is not helping by constantly berating white men and insulting them. It is not helping when every single time she goes for an interview the other cast hate her guts and she acts likes she alone can do anything. "Yeah, Captain Marvel can totally lift Thor's hammer, beat Superman, and one shot Thanos without trying." Look this up. She is obviously a SJW misandrist trying to prove something and only comes off as being a real kitten.
Brie Larson is a big girl. She can defend herself. She said these words she has to own up to it.
Did you even read the parts where I had an issues with like Rey being too powerful without formal training in Star Wars and the the reaso why they did that was because Rian Johnson wanted her to be that OP because "We want wahmen to be better than men?" Did you read about the part where I said that Captain Marvel has no excuse for why she was not around for any of the other battles in the MCU that they could have used her help and that the cheap explanation is weaksauce in the grand scheme of things? Thanos and Ego were ruining planets left and right and she did nothing. They were practically destroying the galaxy and she did nothing. Where was she? They have no explanation. Why? Because in reality, Captain Marvel was shoehorned in at the last possible second. THAT is why she is really bad. They forced pushed her in because Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, and any of the other female superheroes were "not good enough." This is exactly what they thought. They wanted a broken OP female superhero who has no emotional connection and it is obvious
Dr. Strange said he have bigger fish to fry to, but even he stopped what he was doing to help the Avengers. Endgame even explained why the Ancient didn't get involved.
I have a whole list of issue with the MCU, but this is not the place to put them. You are taking one thing and making it seems like a majority.
The worst movie I have ever seen? The Room. The worst MCU movie I have ever seen? It is a tie between Captain Marvel, Thor Dark World, and Iron Man 3. They may have some good scenes, but overall the plot was severely lacking. Second to last worst? Age of Ultron.
I gave you legit reasons why Captain Marvel is horrible. I have also talked about this extensive motives of Marvel behind the scenes and the issues with pushing more agendas than story telling.
Again, the only thing they push for Thor Love and Thunder is Lady Thor (who Marvel can't stand us saying even though it is cultural appropriation at its finest) and a lesbian Valkyrie being the first gay superhero...even though she really isn't and it was Nova who was the first openly gay superhero in Marvel. It is the same reason why everyone praises Black Panther because "It is the first black superhero" when really the movie itself was mediore at best and was basically a rehash of Iron Man mixed with The Lion King. Not bad, but mediocre. It was grand standed for being a black superhero and not because it was a good movie. That is pathetic.
But hey, cultural appropriation is par for Disney now....just look at the black Little Mermaid. Apparently Ginger is the new black. I rather have something more original. Maybe make actual meangingful characters instead of forcing diversity into something that makes no sense to do so.
Of course, these same people are going after Mulan because something about the main heroine supporting the Chinese police? I don't really care, but it makes me question the validity of seriousness when people chime in with "culture acceptance" non-stop only to toss out other cultures because they don't have the same agenda mindset.
I am more of a freedom of choice and freedom of speech guy. You can say or do whatever you want, but don't affect other people's lives.
Hahahahaahahahahahah. Ahhh....good one.
Magic Mirror on the wall. Who has never been on twitter at all?
But I will remember this. Next time I see Jamie Marchi wanting to cut off another innocent man's balls...I'll remember that I am just making it up.
Next time I see someone complain about False Rape accusations existing in an anime saying how they are not real and how this is sexist against women...I'll remind myself that I am just imagining it.
And of course, next time I see a woman act like a victim because she claims that ten years ago someone hugged her inappropriately.and all of sudden NOW she feels uncomfortable even though back then she was giddy as a school girl...I'll remember that it is conservative brainwashing.
I wonder what you would say to a women who claims rape when no such rape occurred?
Discussion....terminated.
Oy Vei, where do I begin?
First off, I didn’t address every point you made because they were YOUR OPINIONS, and I don’t have enough time in the day to rebute ones that are not worth my time. I’m just addressing the ones as not true, like CM complaining about the patriarchy. Again, WHERE DID THIS HAPPEN? I SAW THE MOVIE, she did not say “MEN SUX” ONCE, and you still haven’t provided me with any definitive examples. “All Of It” doesn’t cut it. And that deleted scene was filmed because that’s how movies work. They write a script, they film it, and during post-production they cut some scenes either for time, because the scene didn’t fit the narrative, or...reasons. Often times filmmakers don’t see some of the flaws in their original script, and edit certain scenes out or reshoot new ones entirely. I guess in the case of the one scene we’re talking about, they just felt it was unnecessary for her to burn the man’s hand because battle of the sexes wasn’t the theme of the movie, and she was going to take it anyway so why waste 2 minutes?
Brie Larson hates white men? Interesting...she hates white men, yet she signed onto a project that was co-directed by a white man, produced by a white man, and approved by a board of directors at Disney that are most likely...mostly white. Yeah, sorry, but I’m not buying it. Also, unless one of the cast members comes out, they don’t have a problem with her. Don Cheadle debunked that already. And it was Chris Evans who wanted her to be Captain Marvel in the first place. If Disney studios is really as SJW as you claim, then it sounds like she fits right in and they don’t have a problem with her.
And I think the Sakura comparison fits. Does she have people who blow up her bad points like Sakura? YES. Do said people also ignore her good points? Seems that way to me. Has the dislike turned into such an unhealthy obsession? Kitten yes, it has!
And SPEAKING OF DISNEY BEING SJW, need I remind you Marvel exec Peter Pearlmutter is a proud Trump supporter and is the reason we didn’t get a Black Widow movie sooner, because “girls don’t buy toys?” Or how about Robert Downey Jr being an open Republican? The co-writer of Dr Strange, Robert C Cargil, also an open Republican, expressing how thrilled he was working with Marvel Studios and even saying that “The SJWs were going to hate what we did with the Ancient One no matter what?” Granted, those two are more moderate Republicans, but I’d assume this SJW Dystopia you speak of wouldn’t allow them in. Let’s also not forget that Chris Pratt joined a rather controversial church after his divorce. He’s still returning as Star Lord to my knowledge.
Also, I got the point of that Wonder Woman scene. A bunch of others probably did not. But I still remember back when Geoff Johns was promoting what they THOUGHT was going to be the DCEU with Kevin Smith, so many were triggered when he described Wonder Woman as a “feminist icon.”
Just do a YouTube search on feminism. I promise you almost all of them will be about how bad/ridiculous a feminist opinion is. And most of those people think being a feminist and being a feminazi are one and the same thing.
You don’t see men doing the opposite (or same, depending on your point of view) to women as you see some prominent feminists do because WE’RE DIFFERENT. Yes, this statement seems to contradict the whole equality thing, but it’s true. We grow differently, we tend to think different, and we go through different experiences. Sexual advances are a much more dangerous thing for women. If they say no, and the guy tries to force himself on her, the woman’s going to have a bit of a challenge forcing him off. If a woman tries to force herself on one of us, the average guy is usually able to at least hold her at bay and run away. In the US, one in five women will be raped in their lifetimes. Only one in 71 men will be raped (whether that’s by other women or men these stats don’t say). With numbers like those, I don’t blame women for being on the edge if a guy tries to get too friendly with her when she doesn’t want it. Not to mention those awful gang rapes in India and how some girls in the Middle East are raped so their rapist can marry them. Neither of us have it perfect, we’re all going to run into an awful person from the opposite sex and both of us have our own privileges and disadvantages...but women really seem to have it against them, even in this day and age.
This whole explosion of rape/assault accusation isn’t the result of a trend, it’s the result of others getting away with something for too long. The reason why most of these victims wait so long to come forward is attitudes like these where they are accused of being liars or downplay the situation. Now, do I think we should believe the accusers by default? No. Do I think we should go to social media and lynch the accused? No. Do women lie and abuse the whole MeToo thing? Yes, some do. Should we have a fair investigation into each claim? Absolutely. But the only way we’re going to get justice for both men and women is if we treat each case accordingly, and don’t whine about it if the results are not in your favor. Actual investigations are how many of the false accusations get outed, so why fight them?
On one last thing about the SJW thing...just admit you have a problem with everyone being liberal. Because that’s what you really mean. Basically anything remotely left of center is SJW nowadays. Be like that if you want, but don’t hide behind these perjoratives, just be like Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity and don’t pretend you’re making any distinction within the group of people you’re kittening on.
I honestly don’t know if I’ll get a response for this, but if you want to discuss further, feel free to PM me. Or don’t. It’s your call.