Konohakitten

 

WHAT. Is this real. I need to catch up. I dropped the series a while ago because I could not stand the drama lol.

Yes it's real, but the drama is still there XD However the character development and overall story is well worth catching up!

Ikr, especially after that explosive Season 3 finale.  And Tom seems to be cool with the prospect of Star and Marco(after finding out that they kissed), so all major obstacles to them being together are now removed.

 

On another topic, I'm glad that Sorcerous Stabber Orphen will be getting an anime reboot that follows the light novels much more faithfully than the 90's version.  Now I can finally see Cleao and Orphen's relationship fully played out to its conclusion. And I'm hoping Sentai Filmworks or Funimation dubs it, so the original English VAs reprise their roles (Orphen is one of those anime where I am entirely biased towards the english dub).

 

 

I can't even describe the wave of emotions I felt with the finale. It was breathtaking and bittersweet. Tom has grown so much since he was first introduce, I love him so freaking much!!

After three seasons, It's finally happened:

 

 

Marco finally reciprocates her confession and they share their first kiss. There is still the matter of Star needing to break up with Tom, but that can be easily remedied.

This ship and the show over all gives me life!!!

There is a never ending list of things that could be done so much better in the manga, but if I had to narrow it done it would be as follows....

Don't glorify Sasuke so much, especially in the beginning. Doing that had a horrible domino effect on other characters, and it made Kakashi weak as a teacher since he flat out decided to train Sasuke one on one over Naruto and Sakura because he was a "prodigy". Remove, or at least, really push back the Sasuke retrieval arc. This happened way to soon for me and I never personally understood why Naruto's bromance with him was so strong especially when Sasuke was antagonist for the rest of the story. Time they spent together as "friends" was slim to non and for a manga that was supposed to be about bonds Naruto's and Sasuke's was more then lackluster. 

Remove Sakura's inner Sakura and overall fangirl tendencies towards Sasuke especially in the beginning. She could still like him without being obnoxious you know. This leads to my second biggest fix and that is work on Sakura from day one. All Kishi did is ruin her, give her a few great moments, ruin her again, and rinse and repeat. He never kept anything about her consistent and that hurt her character so bad.

Make Hinata someone we actually care about. As the years have gone by my bitterness towards everything is pretty much meh by now. However I would have gotten over things way faster had Hinata been someone I actually liked. If she was so important then we should have known that from day one, and stalking doesn't count. 

No super Ninja Jesus powers for Naruto and Sasuke....it took away from all the hard work they did. If he was going to add them he should thought differently on how to do so.

Lastly, make Naruto the main focus of his own manga. Even though the damn thing was named after him we could go several long drawn out  chapters without seeing him, and the Uchiha just stole the show. It was more then clear who the author really wanted to write about and it wasn't fun reading something that had it's hero on the sidelines most of the time. 

Izuku and Ochako, they are innocent and so freaking pure it hurts my heart. 

 

Ah, I'm sorry that you had to experience that......

Well at least the animation was some what okay 

 

Fantastic post KonohaKitten.

 

Here's something I wrote for a thread about a year back or so and I think it's somewhat relevant here.

 

 

 

The reason I posted that in this thread is because it, in my view, shows the flaw in the writing around NaruHina. This was a pairing built on all of these types of major moments in the series, such as Hinata's confession during the Pein fight, but there's nothing in between them.

 

In my view, the appeal of NaruHina is that it's easy. It was a simple solution to "the hero needs a love interest." So, instead of having to develop an entire relationship over the course of a manga with multiple moments of dialogue and nuanced approaches, Kishi could simply insert a female into some of the intense sequences to make the relationship seem more real than it really was.

 

I've argued and have always maintained the point that I wouldn't have a problem with NaruHina if Hinata was actually a more developed character and had more interaction with Naruto. There's nothing wrong with having a more shy character get with the lead protagonist. But by taking the lazy way out, not having the proper development and just shoving Hinata in here and there, the entire thing feels superficial.

 

I also think many people have nailed the appeal of this type of writing to the readers in describing it as a sort of fairy tale story.

Thanks Lid, I think your responses from a year ago fits perfectly in here. I too agree that NH moments were, as you put it, "major moments in the series," however the rest of Naruto's bonding, via conversation and just over all spending time with the opposite sex,is with Sakura. This is were I find it amazing that most SS and NH fans are blind as to why NS shippers were upset in the end. NH is literally an arranged marriage, plain and simple. Their moments and movie were too little too late, and the relationship that had firm foundations, NS, was tossed out the window for a toxic ship instead. When we look at the Naruto pairing this way it's still mind boggling as to why fans are alright with the way things turned out. It seriously makes me think that most shippers have never been in a long term healthy relationship before.

I saw the filler as well & lmao...

 

As I was watching it, I got increasingly bored so I started to skip around to find out where tf our main hero & heroine Naruto and his otaku hug pillow Hinata were. And they were essentially nowhere in sight. Which I think, only proved one thing to me personally: they're just so effin' boring together that they can't even pull a lax conversation with one another...

 

I had wanted them to have significant scenes with each other to see how they both brought out the other's character, mainly Hinata's. See how they made plans, chat about the clothing they'll be wearing, try on some funny clothes & tease one another about it perhaps(?), etc. just to showcase their "chemistry", what made it unique and to generally see how in love they were. SP had a nice opportunity to meddle with NaruHina deeper and to add some spice to their bland relationship, no matter how OOC it might have been because really, everyone feels a little OOC at this point.

I felt the same way. It look's like all SP can do is provide retcon development, like flash backs and needless fluff in the past, but when it come's to scenes with Naruto and Hinata while they're officially a couple we get nothing.....because there is NOTHING!! I too wanted to see them interact. I really wanted to have something that I could watch and say, awe that was kinda of cute, but nope all I got was over the top animation that looked like it was drawn by kids most of the time 

You know guys, I really tried to understand what this topic is about yesterday. Like I truly wanted to push my feelings aside so that I could try and understand what people see in NH, so I went and watched the last 3 episodes of Naruto. Now these are supposed to be "pre-wedding day" episodes,and in all reality I wanted to see the happy little couple because I wanted to see what in the world SP was going to do with them, but guess what, they were no where to been seen!! I was honestly dissapointed, because I thought we were going to get to see Naruto and Hinata getting everything ready themselves. In my head I thought SP was going to use these episodes as an opportunity to build the bond between the engaged couple, but nope, I gave them wayyyy to much credit. Instead these episodes, which had their moments, are literally a bunch of gag jokes relating to Naruto's friends finding him and Hinata a wedding gift. Now while some of them were funny, particularly the one with Shikamaru and Temari, most were just bland, and out right horrible, AKA an episode where Neji's spirit is dragged in for the sake of laughs.

Now after I was done watching said material I still had nothing to change my opinion. There was no new material to support this ship, instead these episodes did nothing to help boost the NH realationship. All they showed is that Naruto's friends have no idea what this "couple" has in common, because all their gift ideas were orientated on what they personally liked, example, dumbbells from Lee, and a kunai from Tenten, or gifts they all felt married people needed, such as a romantic dinner, and a honeymoon. There were no " Hinata and Naruto love doing this because they both....." lines because they literally have nothing in common. 

All we have for development outside of the manga is The Last, and from those events we have, a relationship that went from awkward interactions, to pity, to marriage, and this all happen in a matter of days in "movie" time. That's it, and from a writing point, or any point for that matter, it's ridiculous that people support it. However with this evidence I saw where NH does win, and that's in it's ability to touch so many people in different ways. This ship was written so that literally anyone could plug themselves into each person. In my experience most NH fans that I encountered where men, and they put themselves in Naruto's shoes. They wanted Hinata because she's "perfect" waifu material. What little female NH shippers I encountered thought the pairing was cute, and that it was admirable that a shy girl could win the hero's heart.

Either way this ship is based, purely on shippers delusions. It's different for everyone, since canonly there are only a few panels and movie for NH development, so shippers just insert their feelings and impressions to fill in the gaps. They themselves fabricate moments, they see "emotions, bonds, and even love" when there is nothing to begin with. I had a guy tell me the other day that NH had a spiritual bond from the moment Hinata was introduced, and I was like, where do these people get these ideas from, and the answer is that so much imagination and fluff has been poured into this ship that people believe it all to be true when in reality there's nothing to back it up. You add in the creator, who keeps putting his foot in his mouth time, and time again, and the fandom only get's gas added to the train wreak that is Naruto.

Yes, it is an attempt to give Boruto a boost by having kishimoto give another interview.

 

I don't think the final pairings had to do with anything involving Japan's declining population. The ending was entirely about trying to appeal the international market, and from what they could find...from youtube reviewers the international market wanted nH. But that didn't work and they are dealing with is what a dead franchise by this point and are forcing people to keep it alive.

 

 I swear Naruto/Sakura/Hinata is the worst love triangle I've ever seen. One girl is literally barely ever there, and she is the one who won in the end. 

 

They probably are, I'm still thinking about writing my own essay to him. If nothing else to get him to stop giving interview and just go to his scifi manga. The thing is he wrote all of this. He wrote Naruto marriage life sucks. He wrote Sasuke is an deadbeat father. He the one that decided to make the main pairings as awful as they are now. Which turned off a large number of pro end and people that were will to give Boruto a try. His own choices after the ending have done nothing but hurt its sequel.

 

At the Start of the manga:

 Naruto/Hero

 Sakura/Heroine

 Sasuke/Rival

 Kakashi/Mentor 

By the End of the Manga:

 Sasuke/Hero  

 Hinata/Heroine

 Sasuke's Past/Rival

 Orochimaru/Mentor

^ Omg this right here is a thing of beauty! I couldn't have said it better myself!

I wonder if it's to try to boost legitimacy and sales for Boruto. And also a deep dislike for Sakura and 'modern' girls. That's why in the end, Naruto went for a traditional girl, gave up all of his 'I'm going usher in a new peaceful era' crap, and Sakura was abandoned at home as a housekeeper. (There is a subtle punishment in Sakura's ending in the manga, while the traditional girl gets a Cinderella-esque ending, despite having virtually no part in the story.)

 

In Japan right now, there is such deep distress about the state of marriage and family. The population is aging, and the younger generations aren't marrying early and having children to bolster the population. It's a serious issue. And I really think Kishimoto responded to this by making Naruto go for the most traditional Japanese female character of the series. Their marriage is exactly what is being campaigned for right now.

 

Fifteen panels over fifteen years does NOT make Hinata a third of a love triangle. No matter what Kishimoto says. But I have a feeling that's not the reason why he's still blathering on about her. 

 

I think him talking about Hinata again, trying to justify their marriage and retcon her importance over Sakura, is his way of pushing not just the Boruto series but also this "don't wait, get married" mindset a little farther.  

Exactly Tricksie, it's mind boggling how he treats his readers like morons. His comment about creating Sakura to be nothing more then a side character is beyond laughable because we hardly saw Hinata, "the real heroine of the series" in the manga at all. I mean seriously, you really want us to buy that?! He's lying through his teeth, and it's insulting, especially when he throws in there that he purposefully left "false hints" that Naruto was going to end up with Sakura. No, those aren't false leads, that right there is actual development that had real foundation behind it, but you abandoned it to please others. What upsets me even more is that his insults effects all readers, not just shippers. His whole Hinata Naruto and Sakura love triangle screams... 

"You guys are all gullible idiots, let me just convince you that what you read wasn't real. There was no love triangle involving team 7, just  forget everything you read and instead listen to me now."

Urgh this man is unbelievable, if I was his wife I'd forbid him from talking any further about pairings. Though this does show that interviewers still ask because we all know that the end pairings didn't make sense. Which leads me to my next point. I also agree that Kishi's actions with his N/H marriage are tied to real life events in Japan, especially when you notice that Hinata and Naruto had no courtship aside from the little time they had in the movie. They literally get married right away.

He just flat out said that he sucks at writing romance because we can all agree that there wasn't a love triangle that included Hinata. She was the side character, the annoying fly on the wall that was just there to fill panel space. The love triangle that existed was between team 7, Hinata was not included whatsoever, and that's his fault 

Tashigi dies... Zoro hears the news... Zoro continues to clean and oiling his sword

Shots fired!

Yeah I know right We were a little bummed that it was so hush hush though. In my home town it was being shown in three theaters but two of them only had it playing for one night with one showing. The third theater had a poster, and it played it for two days, but still only one showing each. I don't think they have a clue how much money they could make if they reached out to local anime clubs and played it the entire week with multiple showings too, but I'm happy that I was still able to see it on the big screen.  

How many people would you say were there in the theater for the movie?

I'm going say maybe about 60 people. It was almost filled, but it was being shown in one of their smallest screens.

My one and only OTP 

Some what spoiler from One Piece Gold