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[Phantom_999]

Hmm A Minato manga... I guess that could work. Same with Shisui. Itachi... would be boring admittedly. Not that I hate his character but he was already integrated so internally to the plot there wouldn't be much to explore with him personally speaking. We could see Minato's childhood, how he aspired to become Hokage, his relationships with Kushina developing, moore of their life up until Naruto's birth and so much more. Shisui we could explore how he developed his mind set that influenced Itachi's own. Itachi though, we saw his motivations and mechanizations already in the manga, so there would be nothing to really show except his day to day life really. If they actually wanted a popularity poll to see which character gets their own manga then Naruto should have been left out. He was ALWAYS the focus of the story until Boruto so he really needs no expansion unless they REALLY want to push for his childhood but even then there's not much that the fans don't already know. Seeing what Sakura was doing during the time skip between part I and part II would be nice,. Hinata? *YAWWWWWN* I assume that it will be "I wonder what Naruto-kun is doing? what can I do for my beloved Naruto-kun today? Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun. N-NARUTO-KUN!!!" If they actually manage a %0.01 that does NOT involve that, color me actually impressed but it's not much to brag about. that is LITERALLY her entire character. Just saying.

[BlueStarSaber]

Yeah so this poll isn't very reliable because it has fan agendas going on

[Bail o' Lies]

It feels like a continuation of why the SS and Mirai manga are being produced. They don't know what made Naruto popular or how they can make it popular again. So they are putting out feelers to find out.

 

Honestly, I think this would be the best time for someone to write a letter to Shounen Jump explaining; why Naruto is no longer successful and what made it successful. As they are clearly questioning it themselves.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 21 December 2022 - 09:15 PM.

[Derock]

Honestly, I think this would be the best time for someone to write a letter to Shounen Jump explaining; why Naruto is no longer successful and what made it successful. As they are clearly questioning it themselves.

 

We clearly need someone (and a translator for WSJ because that need to go over there so they can immediately know) and make sure that it is not under false pretenses about the issue with the franchise. They shouldn't be questioning about its fate, especially for a long-running one. They should immediately take action if they want money from consumers.

[BlueStarSaber]

Honestly i feel using a popularity poll like this could backfire as certain fans with agenda could lead to the wrong spin off from happening

[Therece]

 

 

Honestly, I think this would be the best time for someone to write a letter to Shounen Jump explaining; why Naruto is no longer successful and what made it successful. As they are clearly questioning it themselves.

 

If they aren't complete amateur and idiots. They probably already know whats makes Naruto Series famous (Sadly isn't NaruSaku):
Old Generation, Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Uchihas, Sharingan, Team 7, Some shipping tease, Akatsuki, Original and actual Ninja lore...

People wanted more of the Naruto cast, not their kids. It was sad to see so much hype dying out, but it was bound to happen because Boruto the movie was popular because of Naruto and Sasuke, not because of Boruto himself. Gaiden's focus was also Sasuke,Sakura and Naruto not just Sarada.
Naruto ends, and then they immediately show a fanbase that's attached to the old cast a bunch of copies that's meant to be their parents replacements with some alliens and androids. The kids, at least Sarada and Boruto were ok. But Cho Cho, Inojin, Shikadai, Kawaki as Sasuke 2.0 and some random kids are simply trash.  Nobody wanted to see them doing random things outside their parents. Like who tought this was a good idea?

 

Boruto's cast should have a secondary role in the series like Goten/Trunks in Dragon Ball Super.

Not become the Protagonists of the actual series...

You can't expect to make a 180º turn in a Story  and repeat the sucess.
 

Edited by Therece, 22 December 2022 - 03:57 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

If they aren't complete amateur and idiots. They probably already know whats makes Naruto Series famous (Sadly isn't NaruSaku):

Old Generation, Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Uchihas, Sharingan, Team 7, Some shipping tease, Akatsuki, Original and actual Ninja lore...

People wanted more of the Naruto cast, not their kids. It was sad to see so much hype dying out, but it was bound to happen because Boruto the movie was popular because of Naruto and Sasuke, not because of Boruto himself. Gaiden's focus was also Sasuke,Sakura and Naruto not just Sarada.
Naruto ends, and then they immediately show a fanbase that's attached to the old cast a bunch of copies that's meant to be their parents replacements with some alliens and androids. The kids, at least Sarada and Boruto were ok. But Cho Cho, Inojin, Shikadai, Kawaki as Sasuke 2.0 and some random kids are simply trash.  Nobody wanted to see them doing random things outside their parents. Like who tought this was a good idea?

 

Boruto's cast should have a secondary role in the series like Goten/Trunks in Dragon Ball Super.

Not become the Protagonists of the actual series...

You can't expect to make a 180º turn in a Story  and repeat the sucess.

If they know what made Naruto popular, why are they doing the Mirai manga which you consider pointless and a waste of time? So, they know what they are doing, but they are wasting money on something completely pointless, why?

 

Here is my stance on Japanese companies, granted more about their gaming companies: "From what I've seen, Japan has always had problems understanding the Western market. When they try to make something appeal to the West they try to make it as "American" as they can, when something does succeeded whether it was intended to or not they don't really understand how/why it was successful, once something is successful they expect it to be constantly successful, milking it with constant sequels, if one of those sequel doesn't meet their expectation they cancel it forever, and often they would hand over IP to their Western branches expecting that they will know what to do with it; often those flop."

 

So, as it pertains to Naruto. They didn't know what made Naruto so popular in the West or why it stopped being popular. (On Toonami a prime time program with no real competition, and Toonami ending.) So, they went with what was said online and constant fan letters of fans of hating Sakura and loving Hinata wanting her to be with Naruto. Are you going to deny that backfired? So, they sat on Naruto for some reason for years, but are now wanting to get that money again. My guess they got sick of Boruto failing and some of the popular IPs like MHA are ending; so they want that money again. But they don't know what made Naruto popular. So they are putting out feelers like the SS manga, the Mirai manga, and this poll to check. So they can hopefully finally get an idea of at least, what character is popular? 

 

Here is the thing about Boruto. Since I have to vent every once and a while about how stupid it is. The people in my life know I still read Boruto. So every once and a while they will talk about, why they stop reading/watching Boruto. To sum up, the ones who watch/read it they gave it a chance at the start, but nothing happens. So, they got bored and stopped. Others are reluctant to even look at it because they hear that it has Naruto's filler problem in overdrive. Remember Nail (the true main character in Ikemoto's mind) doesn't show up until...was it about episode 100 or 200 of the anime? So no, people did not unanimously around the world declare that they refused to read Boruto because it wasn't focused on the Naruto cast, they aren't reading it because its S H I T. 

 

Also the current Dragon Ball Super Arc is going to be focused on Trunks and Goten because of the success of The Super Heroes Movie. Which showed them characters other than Goku and Vegeta are popular and can stand on their own.

 

By the way since you don't come here often. I use Italic and Bold and such to emphasize what I'm saying and the important points of the post...unless it the summaries then it is venting my annoyance, pointing out flaws I see in the story, and thoughts I have when reading it. I'm not annoyed or angry at you.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 23 December 2022 - 04:34 AM.

[totherpage95]

Is it just me or does ns and sakura seem a bit more popular than I expected I see more merch for sale but now sp is stuck with the ships the manga went with (and apparently endless boruto spinoff)

[Bail o' Lies]

Is it just me or does ns and Sakura seem a bit more popular than I expected I see more merch for sale but now sp is stuck with the ships the manga went with (and apparently endless boruto spinoff)

NS and Sakura were/are popular in Japan. So they have always made merch for it, as it still sells. They went with nH because that's what they thought was popular in the West. If you are in the West, you should know, Hinata has a very vocal fanbase, while Sakura or at least the ones that wanted her with Naruto weren't as vocal. However, Hinata fans don't buy merch that often. So there isn't much because there is no point.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 December 2022 - 02:00 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Is it just me or does ns and sakura seem a bit more popular than I expected I see more merch for sale but now sp is stuck with the ships the manga went with (and apparently endless boruto spinoff)

funny you say that cause i hardly see any hinata merch in my local malls i see more sakura merch than hinata

[Kagomaru]

For those interested, here are the results of the popularity poll thus far after a million votes were cast:

1.Minato Namikaze (Fourth Hokage)

2.Itachi Uchiha

3.Uchiha Shisui

4.Naruto Uzumaki

5.Kakashi Hatake

6.Madara Uchiha

7.Jiraiya

8.Sasuke Uchiha

9.Sakura Haruno

10.Obito Uchiha

 

It does my petty heart good to see Hinata out of the running and further shatter the illusion that she's popular.

Edited by Kagomaru, 25 December 2022 - 01:50 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

 

For those interested, here are the results of the popularity poll thus far after a million votes were cast:

1.Minato Namikaze (Fourth Hokage)

2.Itachi Uchiha

3.Uchiha Shisui

4.Naruto Uzumaki

5.Kakashi Hatake

6.Madara Uchiha

7.Jiraiya

8.Sasuke Uchiha

9.Sakura Haruno

10.Obito Uchiha

 

It does my petty heart good to see Hinata out of the running and further shatter the illusion that she's popular.

 

 

 

Minato being in the lead I think is great because that could definitely lead us to getting a Minato one shot, or in my wish... Minato  Gaiden cause he really deserves that!!

[Phantom_999]

Well the thing is, that even if Hinata made the top spot, hopefully they have learned from last time that it is useless because all her supporters are pirates.

 

The Irony that was. They sold out to a bunch of internet pirates They thought Hinata was their ticket to big bucks in the West. My guess personally though, was they thought Selling Hinata to them would actually want to make them buy the products. They were wrong on both accounts. Go figure.

 

If they know what made Naruto popular, why are they doing the Mirai manga which you consider pointless and a waste of time? So, they know what they are doing, but they are wasting money on something completely pointless, why?

 

Here is my stance on Japanese companies, granted more about their gaming companies: "From what I've seen, Japan has always had problems understanding the Western market. When they try to make something appeal to the West they try to make it as "American" as they can, when something does succeeded whether it was intended to or not they don't really understand how/why it was successful, once something is successful they expect it to be constantly successful, milking it with constant sequels, if one of those sequel doesn't meet their expectation they cancel it forever, and often they would hand over IP to their Western branches expecting that they will know what to do with it; often those flop."

 

So, as it pertains to Naruto. They didn't know what made Naruto so popular in the West or why it stopped being popular. (On Toonami a prime time program with no real competition, and Toonami ending.) So, they went with what was said online and constant fan letters of fans of hating Sakura and loving Hinata wanting her to be with Naruto. Are you going to deny that backfired? So, they sat on Naruto for some reason for years, but are now wanting to get that money again. My guess they got sick of Boruto failing and some of the popular IPs like MHA are ending; so they want that money again. But they don't know what made Naruto popular. So they are putting out feelers like the SS manga, the Mirai manga, and this poll to check. So they can hopefully finally get an idea of at least, what character is popular?

 

Here is the thing about Boruto. Since I have to vent every once and a while about how stupid it is. The people in my life know I still read Boruto. So every once and a while they will talk about, why they stop reading/watching Boruto. To sum up, the ones who watch/read it they gave it a chance at the start, but nothing happens. So, they got bored and stopped. Others are reluctant to even look at it because they hear that it has Naruto's filler problem in overdrive. Remember Nail (the true main character in Ikemoto's mind) doesn't show up until...was it about episode 100 or 200 of the anime? So no, people did not unanimously around the world declare that they refused to read Boruto because it wasn't focused on the Naruto cast, they aren't reading it because its S H I T.

 

Also the current Dragon Ball Super Arc is going to be focused on Trunks and Goten because of the success of The Super Heroes Movie. Which showed them characters other than Goku and Vegeta are popular and can stand on their own.

 

By the way since you don't come here often. I use Italic and Bold and such to emphasize what I'm saying and the important points of the post...unless it the summaries then it is venting my annoyance, pointing out flaws I see in the story, and thoughts I have when reading it. I'm not annoyed or angry at you.

 

This. I don't dislike Boruto nor do I not give it a chance because there is no focus on the characters I like anymore. I don't give it the time of day because 1. I've moved on from Naruto and 2. it sounds like a boring, unengaging snore fest from your summaries. I'm not wasting my time on it if there is no passion or heart put into the work. Same with the Sasuke novel and Same with the Gaiden right now with Mirai Kakashi and Guy. They have original charcters that (former fans) are familiar with and love but they don't be seem to be doing so hot from what I can tell. Why? because none of the writing is engaging. It is coasting off of Naruto's former popularity and nostalgia for such characters and the authorities are HOPING it sells. They are not trying to make good stories out of these novels.

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 December 2022 - 03:50 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

The Irony that was. They sold out to a bunch of internet pirates They thought Hinata was their ticket to big bucks in the West. My guess personally though, was they thought Selling Hinata to them would actually want to make them buy the products. They were wrong on both accounts. Go figure.

 

This. I don't dislike Boruto nor do I not give it a chance because there is no focus on the characters I like anymore. I don't give it the time of day because 1. I've moved on from Naruto and 2. it sounds like a boring, unengaging snore fest from your summaries. I'm not wasting my time on it if there is no passion or heart put into the work. Same with the Sasuke novel and Same with the Gaiden right now with Mirai Kakashi and Guy. They have original charcters that (former fans) are familiar with and love but they don't be seem to be doing so hot from what I can tell. Why? because none of the writing is engaging. It is coasting off of Naruto's former popularity and nostalgia for such characters and the authorities are HOPING it sells. They are not trying to make good stories out of these novels.

They didn't think, 'they would start buying the products.' They thought, 'they were already buying them.'

 

Phantom, we count as, "the acceptable lost." They figured they would lose the NS fans if they abandon it...they just didn't imagine how badly it would cost them. Apparently, being the primary financial support of Naruto and such. So, for the most part Boruto isn't made for us. As doing so, may chase away the customers they have left. I'm talking about the casual fans/viewers.

 

For one thing people don't really read for fun now a days, they prefer just to watch something. Since, they feel they have to focus to read something. While compared to being able to do other things while passively watching. For some it is a better use of their time. Which is why a major change to anime since streaming took off has been to cut down on the filler. As even if its good, most people don't want to waste their time on something that isn't important to the story, or even completely non-canonical.

 

Naruto already scares away casual fans because of its infamous amounts of filler. Then, you have Boruto which again, I think Kawaki appears at around episode 175, and then they are back to filler by about 200. So the manga's story was covered in about 25 episodes. I think they are getting close to 300 episodes. Which means they have probably over 250 episode that most viewers will consider filler, counting the Salad gaiden and the movie episodes as canon episodes. That is instantly going to turn people off watching it, if they aren't already invested. Then, you have the actual story. Let's be blunt, even fans of the franchise are bored of it, begging for it to finally get going. So, you have the filler putting viewers off, but also unenthused fans not promoting it to the people around them. Of course its failing. Not because its not Naruto, but because its bad.

 

Now we have some side manga that are being hyped up because its not Boruto, there isn't any filler, and its better than Boruto has ever been...that pathetically low bar. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 31 December 2022 - 01:47 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Ergo, why I'm not interested.

[Yyubie]

By the way, long time no see , i'm still come here just look at post maybe 3 times this year. Since i think we can all agree that Boruto is real and canon now and any little bits of chance that this entire spawning pool of crap is fake or Mugen Tsukuyomi at this point is just in denial.

 

Found this shiet when i'm scrolling down tik-tok :

 

https://www.youtube....rts/cAs24oVAqa4

 

I was just wake up today .... still sleepy don't want to get out of bed since it's holiday and the last day in 2022. And when i saw that video ... my sleepiness instantly disappear, my eyes wide open, and i get up and was like : HOLLY CRAP ARE THEY REALLY DOING THIS??? RIGHT NOW??. And then i scroll the comment section on that video and look at the captions and re-watching it ... analyzing it and yes i'm sure 95% it was just a fan made. But i have to admit this feeling that i thought was dead that i bury and i'm sure i'm over it long ago since the devastation Kishi drop on 2014 turn out still there ... i'm still deep down wants all of this is just a nightmare or disgusting joke.

 

I don't know if that video was new .... or maybe a years old video that i happen to see it now. Anyway, as soon as i'm done watching it, i come here and (Expect an uproar / hot discussion and obviously not ) just want to say this. What do you guys think??

Edited by Yyubie, 31 December 2022 - 10:32 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

By the way, long time no see , i'm still come here just look at post maybe 3 times this year. Since i think we can all agree that Boruto is real and canon now and any little bits of chance that this entire spawning pool of crap is fake or Mugen Tsukuyomi at this point is just in denial.

 

Found this shiet when i'm scrolling down tik-tok :

 

https://www.youtube....rts/cAs24oVAqa4

 

I was just wake up today .... still sleepy don't want to get out of bed since it's holiday and the last day in 2022. And when i saw that video ... my sleepiness instantly disappear, my eyes wide open, and i get up and was like : HOLLY CRAP ARE THEY REALLY DOING THIS??? RIGHT NOW??. And then i scroll the comment section on that video and look at the captions and re-watching it ... analyzing it and yes i'm sure 95% it was just a fan made. But i have to admit this feeling that i thought was dead that i bury and i'm sure i'm over it long ago since the devastation Kishi drop on 2014 turn out still there ... i'm still deep down wants all of this is just a nightmare or disgusting joke.

 

I don't know if that video was new .... or maybe a years old video that i happen to see it now. Anyway, as soon as i'm done watching it, i come here and (Expect an uproar / hot discussion and obviously not ) just want to say this. What do you guys think??

The companies were either going to abandoned Boruto immediately or they weren't. After a year passed, the hope for them to walk back on it was unlikely to the point it was almost impossible. As it means too many executives would have egg on their face for them supporting it in the first place.

 

However, that could change now for the same corporate reasons. Boruto has been given eight years to stand on its own to be a money maker for them; it hasn't. So they are doing these side manga as well as a popularity poll to decide another side manga to figure out, what is popular in Naruto-Boruto. Sending them a passionate well reason (not unhinged) letter for why they should change back to NS may work, at least better than it would have anytime before now. As they can say, the change is to please the fans.

 

...Also you couldn't tell immediately that video was fanmade? Naruto has never had his father's hairstyle for one, and also this is just after his final fight with Sasuke; he should only have one arm. I can't get through more then 5 seconds because the animation and song are so off-putting. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 01 January 2023 - 11:00 AM.

[Phantom_999]

A Minato manga would be preferable at this point to me, if I actually cared about ANYTHING related to Naruto at all (I don't). NaruSaku would be botched and half heartedly done because they are doing it just to please the fans ("The Last" shows just how incompetent they are when they are doing things JUST to give the fans what they wanted and to calm their own "Hinata" stifles) to the point I'd be insulted more than anything. Itachi would is boring because 1. his backstory was already integral to the later half of the plot and 2. I have not seen a more "shilled" character in the series once he stopped being treated as a villain. Anything else is only side material and would not do much for the franchise a s a whole. Every character has his/her fans sure, but that is it; It it would only cater to their fans so I wouldn't see any point in it personally. Minato's perspective at least would have a bit more to offer for the back story though since there wasn't much to elaborate with him. Hell even a Hizuren prequel would give a better insight on the backstory of the village, since they were not focused on during the world war. 

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 June 2023 - 06:45 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

A Minato manga would be preferable at this point to me, if I actually cared about ANYTHING related to Naruto at all ( I don't). NaruSaku would be botched and half heartedly done because they are doing it just to please the fans ("The Last" shows just how incompetent they are when they are doing things JUST to give the fans what they wanted and to calm their own "Hinata" stifles) to the point I'd be insulted more than anything.

 

Itachi would is boring because 1. his backstory was already integral to the later half of the plot and 2. I have not seen a more "shilled" character in the series once he stopped being treated as a villain. Anything else is only side material and would not do much for the franchise a s a whole. Every character has his/her fans sure, but that is it; It it would only cater to their fans so I wouldn't see any point in it personally. Minato's perspective at least would have a bit more to offer for the back story though since there wasn't much to elaborate with him. Hell even a Hizuren prequel would give a better insight on the backstory of the village, since they were not focused on during the world war. 

They would likely just do the Itachi light novel since they have that story already. You really only have the massacre as well as what led up to it or his time in the Akatsuki.

 

Minato would in theory be a prequel to Naruto, same with Sarutobi.

 

I saw still write those letters just for the sake of it. It might be bad, it might be good, but at least at the moment there is a chance they might listen.

[VanitasDS76491]

A Minato manga would be preferable at this point to me, if I actually cared about ANYTHING related to Naruto at all ( I don't). NaruSaku would be botched and half heartedly done because they are doing it just to please the fans ("The Last" shows just how incompetent they are when they are doing things JUST to give the fans what they wanted and to calm their own "Hinata" stifles) to the point I'd be insulted more than anything. Itachi would is boring because 1. his backstory was already integral to the later half of the plot and 2. I have not seen a more "shilled" character in the series once he stopped being treated as a villain. Anything else is only side material and would not do much for the franchise a s a whole. Every character has his/her fans sure, but that is it; It it would only cater to their fans so I wouldn't see any point in it personally. Minato's perspective at least would have a bit more to offer for the back story though since there wasn't much to elaborate with him. Hell even a Hizuren prequel would give a better insight on the backstory of the village, since they were not focused on during the world war. 

only problem with a minato story is how would they do kushina would they undo her personality to fit more with hinata cause of the ending