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[thelordofspace72]

Yes, I read it too. At first I thought it is good, but it seems they were just stupid just to come up with the stupid idea of ​​naruhina. I mean what they were thinking that we would love what they wrote, definitely not. Nothing brings nausea to me more than these toxic naruhina supporters.

Ooooh no, I refuse to read any opinion pieces from CBR of all places, especially if it's about NaruSaku vs NaruHina. It's guaranteed to piss me off.

Yes. Me too.

They are only a group of pro enders. What we expected. They just wanted to make all the stupid decisions that kishimoto made were logical or good. Oh disgusting.

Edited by thelordofspace72, 28 June 2020 - 01:47 PM.

[totherpage95]

the article fails to mention hinata defying naruto’s wishes and triggering his 9 tails transformation which could have killed him while sakura was willing to lie to naruto to stop him from going after sasuke. sometimes no, blind devotion can be a mistake like what if hinata died protecting naruto from pain? would this article still read “hinata’s corpse in the morgue would be the right choice” and yes it was good hinata took on naruto’s ninja way but that doesn’t change the fact hinata is weak and didn’t succeed in the first missions she got. also the last point about naruto never having to prove himself is exactly why nh is a problem. by the article’s logic naruto should just automatically have been hokage and become a full ninja to iruka because he is entitled to acknowledgement and hinata shouldn’t be aware of the flaws he has because she loves him no matter what

[James S Cassidy]

They forget that Naruto doesn't understand love. Naruto the Last is expressed to exist and how great it is, but when talking about the movie itself, they fail to mention ANYTHING in the movie. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because it blows holes in every single thing NH loves? They blew holes in their favorite scenes because "Naruto didn't know what love is" and even downplayed it all.

Seriously, these NH fans can't live with themselves. They can't live with their canon and they live in denial non-stop. ANYTHING negative about NH they act like "Oh it is only partially canon" or "you can't take everything seriously."

Pathetic. It is there canon. Now they want to ignore it all because it doesn't follow the narrative they want.

[Phantom_999]

Hey, NH fans exist to ignore the story except when it involves their crack pairing and anything that could make it happen. This extends to that movie too. The movie was made to specifically give Hinata a chance and develop Naruto's romance with her because even the idiots that made this movie knew the two had nothing. SO, they disregarded Naruto's emotional intelligence and understanding of love and made him Goku 2.0 in being romantically ignorant in a Dragon Ball-esque ripoff to not Pair the MC with the heroine and having him all of a sudden get hitched with a side character that barley ever popped up. 

 

BUT WAS WAS THAT default argument that NH fans keep using to justify this crack pairing again? UUUUUUUUH............................. ERRRRRRRRM.......... Give me a second, I almost got it..................... Oh yeah right. NARUTO IS NOT A ROMANCE MANGA!!!!!!!!!!! But WHAT IS "NARUTO: THE LAST" ABOUT AGAIN????????

 

I am just laughing at all the hypocrisy of this garbage whenever it is brought up.

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 July 2020 - 11:58 AM.

[thelordofspace72]

The "Naruto is not a romance manga" means nothing. I mean, why if Naruto and Sakura became together would make the story romantic, but if Naruto came together with Hinata, it would not be so. This is the stupidest excuse I have ever heard. Then what is the problem if the story includes romance. It seems that Kishimoto and his toxic followers do not understand that the story can contain a little romance or anything else secondary but all of these things are not the focus of the story. Having some romantic moments will not make the story romantic. kishimoto IQ is really low.

[Phantom_999]

Oh it’s not about which pairing makes the story romantic and the other doesn’t . The argument is the Nh fans’ excuse as for why Naruto doesn’t need development with Hinata or romantic moments to become a couple with her. They also use that to justify Naruto and Sakura’s romantic moments as only platonic. But you see the hypocritical double stanards there since Hinata’s fanatics treat every single interaction with Naruto as Naruto is showing his boundless love for Hinata and vice versa

Edited by Phantom_999, 05 July 2020 - 09:33 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I honestly believe if it was up to Kishimoto and only him, NS would be canon, Naruto would have became Hokage the right way, etc.

[Phantom_999]

It was in the writing after all. But too bad several factors, lead to what we got when Naruto ended.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

They forget that Naruto doesn't understand love. Naruto the Last is expressed to exist and how great it is, but when talking about the movie itself, they fail to mention ANYTHING in the movie. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because it blows holes in every single thing NH loves? They blew holes in their favorite scenes because "Naruto didn't know what love is" and even downplayed it all.

Seriously, these NH fans can't live with themselves. They can't live with their canon and they live in denial non-stop. ANYTHING negative about NH they act like "Oh it is only partially canon" or "you can't take everything seriously."

Pathetic. It is there canon. Now they want to ignore it all because it doesn't follow the narrative they want.

 

And this is why I don't wanna watch this kind of crap. A friend of mine teases me about how I am about the ending, mostly because he doesn't care about shipping usually, but I'm not like other Naruto fans. I'll support the older stuff and still read some things of the old stuff before it went to ****, but I refuse to accept this nonsense about destroying what was established just to get a crack pairing its due because of a loud minority of fans. XP

[thelordofspace72]

The problem with the pro enders, they call themselves the true naruto fans and that anyone who rejects the end or rejects any crap that happened in Naruto is either naruto hater or narusaku / sakura fan. I think the true naruto fans have left the fandom and left something called Naruto because of all the crap and problems that happen to the story and so on.

 

I really mean what they see great in Naruto now, that he has a bad, kitteny, sick boy, or has a strange and crazy girl worse than her mother. Their real problem is that they believe anything kishimoto does is right. They, the CBR, and others try to make everything kishi did was logical.

 

 To forget all that happened to the story I watch some films like The Lost Tower or Blood Prison, I have to admit that although these arent canon, it is even better than the story that Kishi changes.

Edited by thelordofspace72, 03 July 2020 - 07:53 AM.

[ree]

The problem with the pro enders, they call themselves the true naruto fans and that anyone who rejects the end or rejects any crap that happened in Naruto is either naruto hater or narusaku / sakura fan. I think the true naruto fans have left the fandom and left something called Naruto because of all the crap and problems that happen to the story and so on.
 
I really mean what they see great in Naruto now, that he has a bad, kitteny, sick boy, or has a strange and crazy girl worse than her mother. Their real problem is that they believe anything kishimoto does is right. They, the CBR, and others try to make everything kishi do logical.
 
 To forget all that happened to the story I watch some films like The Lost Tower or Blood Prison, I have to admit that although these arent canon, it is even better than the story that Kishi changes.

I really hate that crap, the problem with Naruto's ending isn't about paring thing, it's not about the last, it's about the Four Ninja War it's destroy everything Naruto has done, the protagonist it is a numb so every single people can see himself in Naruto and think "hey If Naruto can do it me too" but in the fourth ninja war they say Naruto was the chosen one Naruto never was a numb.
There is one youtuber, I don't remember the name, he is fat and short, when John Boyega twtter he can'ts get in to Boruto, he made a Video trying to defend Boruto.

Edited by ree, 30 June 2020 - 11:40 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Here is the tweet 

 

https://twitter.com/...0026245?lang=en

[VanitasDS76491]

It is.  God, look what they did to Ellie. She was a scrappy, intelligent, resourceful, foul-mouthed yet compassionate girl that was easily relatable to the audience. In the sequel, she takes on the worst traits of Joel and has them amped to 11, so she's basically a psychotic murderer and you sometimes find it hard to sympathize with her, in spite of what she just went through. And she barely gets anything constituting character growth, other than "She's now Joel in every way" and nothing else.  As for Naughty Dog and Druckmann using the blanketed "you're just kitten/bi/transphobic" defense to deflect valid criticism to the story, its premise and the handling of the characters, just remind them: THEY are the ones who took a positive representative of LGBT (Ellie), killed her father figure, forcibly wrote her into becoming Sasuke 2.0 and left her with absolutely nothing in the end, while the main villain of the sequel and her group commit horrific acts that would constitute as inhuman war crimes. And yet the narrative is trying to push you to *care* and side with this kitten as the lesser of two evils(IOWs, side with the straight woman over the lesbian). Not to mention that Lev, the only transsexual in the game, is written in such a way that has genuinely pissed off the LGBT gamers in the community from what I've read. 
 
So yeah, they better look in the mirror before they go around making that accusation. Never mind the fact that Ellie has been outed as a lesbian since the first game came out 7 years ago, and even had a relationship with another girl in DLC yet no one had a problem with it then or now.
 
That's all I'm gonna say about it.

agreed it's like Neil forgot how the first game went and he wrote the game cause Joel and Tommy are not that dumb and things at the beginning are to convenient how Abby met Joel, plus druckman retcon the doctor Joel killed in the first game cause if I remember that doctor was black.
 

You know I am so glad I never got the game, I saw the entire walkthrough on YouTube and wow such trash. Complete disrespect! Words cant be further described when it comes to this piece of garbage!
There only be The Last of Us and only The Last of Us.... this story ends with Joel and Ellie going to Jackson. It ends with Joel swearing to Ellie about the fireflies.

agreed that's where it should have ended cause the sequel is a abomination and the flashbacks to Joel and elie make it worse
  

That's the problem with stuff today. Despite the game/show/manga/anime, just downright being ridiculed online by REAL fans of said media they continue to advertise that said media us "Number 1 and the most popular game of its age." Media has really became the biggest liars ever with giving the small minority the biggest voices while silencing the majority.
MOST of the fans HATES Last of Us 2 and yet they silence them and delete them saying "you can't judge a game if you didn't play it" while giving the same game high scores when THEY didn't play it.
Same with Naruto, they say NH has all this development and ignore that Kishimoto didn't really care and silence all the people who speak out against it.
Worse still when people are accused of being something because you are not supporting it. Whether it be something as simple as a salty pairing fan or something more of a harsh political label. It is disgusting and living in a horrible lie by a group of businesses that LIE about the truth non-stop and profit off of people's pain.
These greedy people are disgusting.

This last of us situation sounds like it's the last again how the trailers lied to everyone

[Namaenash]

Here is the tweet 
 
https://twitter.com/...0026245?lang=en

Objectively and naturally, people stays away from bad product. That tweet was a good litmus test.

Not saying that anime viewers should listen to a celebrity's tweet to make decisions on what shows they should watch. People are free to form their own opinion.

It's a pity, since Naruto franchise is arguably one of the 'face' of anime to the Western world. Imagine if you are working hard for an anime series only to find out that your industry is represented by the likes of Naruto franchise. Touché.

[Bail o' Lies]

Did he misspell it on accident or on purpose?

 

Can't say I blame him for not watching it. Boruto is dull. Why do you think I stopped doing the anime summaries? Outside of 'entertaining' myself by looking for how they were trying to manipulate the audience into thinking that the Naruto ending was good. Boruto is one of the dullest anime out there right now.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 July 2020 - 01:03 AM.

[Phantom_999]

I really hate that crap, the problem with Naruto's ending isn't about paring thing, it's not about the last, it's about the Four Ninja War it's destroy everything Naruto has done, the protagonist it is a numb so every single people can see himself in Naruto and think "hey If Naruto can do it me too" but in the fourth ninja war they say Naruto was the chosen one Naruto never was a numb.
There is one youtuber, I don't remember the name, he is fat and short, when John Boyega twtter he can'ts get in to Boruto, he made a Video trying to defend Boruto.

 

Oh definitely the main problem with Naruto was mainly how the war arc panned out with the writing outright contradicting several story plots. That was where the writing was at its most terrble with lines and plot devices thrown in for the sake of being cool rather than story consistency. And while the offical couples and "The Last" were not problems in of themselves, it was how they resolved everything and how the story had to be decimated beyond all recognition to make room for the stupid head canons that took place. The pairings came out of no-where because Sasuke and Sakura showed to have NO AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT that would make them a believable or stable couple and Naruto had spent the entire manga until chapter 700 ignoring Hinata, "The Last" confirms. The Last: Naruto the Movie, is a stupid, brain dead ripoff of a film that despite being called "canon", added nothing to the story and in fact demolished the established canon with Naruto having the Shadow clone as his signature move years before he ever read the forbidden scroll. THE VERY FIRST CHAPTER of the manga was contradicted by that piss poor fanfiction fantasy to justify why Naruto fell in love with and married Hinata.

 

And you see, on top of having our time wasted, everyone that ever green lighted this farce had the audacity to tell us this was the plan all along and that we read the manga wrong for all those years we've invested in it. That was the most aggravating thing of all and that is why so many left the fandom. It is especially telling how detrimental the issue is, when the native fanbase is almost entirely pissed off with how they were treated for their loyalty to the series. A garbage fest, falsely advertised movie where they got no refund for having their time wasted, JUST so Hinata cultists that always "touch themselves thinking about her" get to have their egos stroked. Again it was confirmed by some former members here that understood Japanese or that actually live in Japan that MANY MANY native fans in Japan call NaruHina "the Pairing of death" and Naruto Nardo "the worst scumbag".

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 July 2020 - 12:19 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I really hate that crap, the problem with Naruto's ending isn't about paring thing, it's not about the last, it's about the Four Ninja War it's destroy everything Naruto has done, the protagonist it is a numb so every single people can see himself in Naruto and think "hey If Naruto can do it me too" but in the fourth ninja war they say Naruto was the chosen one Naruto never was a numb.
There is one youtuber, I don't remember the name, he is fat and short, when John Boyega twtter he can'ts get in to Boruto, he made a Video trying to defend Boruto.

I am going to be the odd one out because I DO believe it is about pairings and the Last movie and that that is why it is all bad. They WANTED NH to be canon and that caused everything to go downhill. It was all about Hinata and her love life. Nothing else mattered.

So when people say "it was not about the pairings" I don't know what the kitten they are talking about. That's all that RWBY is now. "Bumblebee and pairings." There is nothing else going for it because everything else was abandoned for Bumblebee. It is all about the pairings.

I can tell Kishimoto had very little to no involvement in Naruto the Last because he himself says he can't write romance, but he can somehow write a whole movie about nothing, but romance? Yeah, I am not buying it. I much rather believe that they were making this movie and told Kishimoto "this is happening, this is going to be canon, and you have to make the manga go with it."

That's the biggest embarrassment about this series. They sold everything for a damn pairing and then insulted the fanbase by saying "It was planned from the beginning, and if you didn't see it you are stupid." Meanwhile, everyone else like Kishimoto's wife and Junko saw something else. Something WE saw. 

So, yes....it is about the pairings because that is all they cared about....the pairings.

[BlueStarSaber]

I am going to be the odd one out because I DO believe it is about pairings and the Last movie and that that is why it is all bad. They WANTED NH to be canon and that caused everything to go downhill. It was all about Hinata and her love life. Nothing else mattered.

So when people say "it was not about the pairings" I don't know what the kitten they are talking about. That's all that RWBY is now. "Bumblebee and pairings." There is nothing else going for it because everything else was abandoned for Bumblebee. It is all about the pairings.

I can tell Kishimoto had very little to no involvement in Naruto the Last because he himself says he can't write romance, but he can somehow write a whole movie about nothing, but romance? Yeah, I am not buying it. I much rather believe that they were making this movie and told Kishimoto "this is happening, this is going to be canon, and you have to make the manga go with it."

That's the biggest embarrassment about this series. They sold everything for a damn pairing and then insulted the fanbase by saying "It was planned from the beginning, and if you didn't see it you are stupid." Meanwhile, everyone else like Kishimoto's wife and Junko saw something else. Something WE saw. 

So, yes....it is about the pairings because that is all they cared about....the pairings.

 

I wonder what we would of gotten had the Naruhina fans in the studio and shonen jump didn't mess it up with their movie, besides maybe Narusaku being canon

[Phantom_999]

I am going to be the odd one out because I DO believe it is about pairings and the Last movie and that that is why it is all bad. They WANTED NH to be canon and that caused everything to go downhill. It was all about Hinata and her love life. Nothing else mattered.

So when people say "it was not about the pairings" I don't know what the kitten they are talking about. That's all that RWBY is now. "Bumblebee and pairings." There is nothing else going for it because everything else was abandoned for Bumblebee. It is all about the pairings.

I can tell Kishimoto had very little to no involvement in Naruto the Last because he himself says he can't write romance, but he can somehow write a whole movie about nothing, but romance? Yeah, I am not buying it. I much rather believe that they were making this movie and told Kishimoto "this is happening, this is going to be canon, and you have to make the manga go with it."

That's the biggest embarrassment about this series. They sold everything for a damn pairing and then insulted the fanbase by saying "It was planned from the beginning, and if you didn't see it you are stupid." Meanwhile, everyone else like Kishimoto's wife and Junko saw something else. Something WE saw. 

So, yes....it is about the pairings because that is all they cared about....the pairings.

 
The pairings weren't the problem, UNTIL the issue was forced basically. And unlike RWBY where it became a consistent thing with original creator, Monty Oum's death and the replacements took over, Naruto was LITERALLY LAST SECOND. Nothing focused on the pairings even during chapter 700 and "The Last" was only a piss poor justiufication for Hinata's romance with Nardo even though Naruto is not a romance manga. But the fact that that piece of kitten movie exists though proves that even pro-NH didn't believe in her enough to win over her crush, in all irony¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Now granted, there WAS a lot of plotting behind the scenes but my point stands. 

Edited by Phantom_999, 04 July 2020 - 12:52 AM.

[Derock]

A little off-topic but I heard Viz Media lost the Naruto franchise and now Funimation got it and will air it in their platforms.