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#3281 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 08 October 2021 - 08:33 AM

Even with the Kaguya clan members, if Naruto did everything I just described in the previous post, he would STILL SH-T on the Kaguya clan members based on the borish uncomplicated DBZ style manner they've been portrayed. I assume that's why we've been given the plot contrivance of Naruto having "gotten rusty" and having had "no time to train."

 

And I agree on why Naruto is so weak; my remarks are more in line with my sentiment that there is so much wasted potential here that it's almost tragic to watch (or to even read the summaries you take the time to make each month this garbage is released). Making Naruto rusty just so Boruto can fight at his side is the narrative mindset of a simpleton; it's the thought process of someone who can't think of any other way for Boruto to have to solve problems with people like Naruto and Sasuke in the background. There's no need for Boruto to be taking on Kaguya level threats. What people loved about the original wasn't the DBZ scale fights, but the fight creativity that ninjutsu revolved around. Maybe let Boruto fight some Kaguya opponent around the end of his series, but keep to diverse lower level threats for at least the opening and middle acts of the series. Maybe have him investigate the Jashin cult. Maybe have him finally solve the problems with the smaller hidden villages his father evidently lied about when promised Pain he'd do something about it. Maybe revisit the problems with the Hyuuga clan that were never resolved in the original. There are so many abandoned subplots in the original Naruto that a creative writer has plenty of material to work with without constantly to rely on "OMG! THESE GUYS ARE EVEN STRONGER THAN KAGUYA!" 

What you're saying is completely right.

 

The thing is, part one Naruto did what they should be doing. Have Boruto fight kids his own age, while Konohamaru, Naruto, and Sasuke fight the big bad.

 

Wave Arc. Naruto fights Haku. Kakashi fights Zabuza.

 

Chunin exam. Naruto fights Gaara. The Third fights Orochimaru.

 

Tsunade arc. Naruto fight Kabuto. Tsunade fights Orochimaru.

 

But Kishi for Bolt's chunin exam had the Kaguya clan members crash the party in order to make his movie feel more epic, and now they must feel going back to low level ninja would feel a step backwards. Not helped that Bolt's first fight was against a S rank missing nin, his first team fight was against a former bodyguard of the fifth mizkage (which judging by his contemporaries means he was on the short list for next mizukage; so in other words a kage level ninja,) and that's just the manga. In the anime, the seven swordmen of the mist, a demon, his teachers, Kakashi, another kaguya member, and so many more.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 12 October 2021 - 09:21 AM.


#3282 James S Cassidy

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Posted 09 October 2021 - 01:39 PM

 

Which is a shame because it's the antithesis of what this character was built up to be in the original. Hokage Naruto should be an utterly OP character who is all but invincible. Complete mastery over shadow clones, utterly abused the heck of the shadow clone training mechanic Kakashi taught him, actively in a 1000 different places without there ever being an indication of who is the real one, full mastery of sage of six path mode mechanics (including limbo), absolute mastery of the truth seeking balls and a whole host of hax jutsu created over the years thanks to shadow clone training + the truth seeking balls. Hokage Naruto should be an utter beast/monster of an opponent who is technically never surpassed throughout at least a majority of the sequel series he appears in (or hell, maybe outright never surpassed if we make him a Soujiro Hiko style character). Above all else, Hokage Naruto should be someone who despite all of his power, is hardly ever involved in resolving whatever issue appears before the protagonist, is rarelyy used as a last minute deus ex machina character utilized only when the protagonist is in wayyyyyyy over his head and is literally unable to solve the problem himself and is maybe someone who only gets to go all out one time in the seires (i.e. the finale or preferably a yugi vs jaden/judai kind of scenario where the protagonist and Naruto have a friendly no-stakes fight at the very end of the series). At this point in the sequel series, NO REVEALED character should be anywhere close to Naruto (or Sasuke's) level without a DAMN GOOD EXPLANATION that is not remotely contrived (which is what EVERY SINGLE BORUTO VILLAIN IS).

 

Instead, we get some bum who thinks he's a DBZ character and whose only solution to a problem is overpowering his opponent with raw strength. It's a stupid and indicative of either someone who doesn't appreciate what this series used to be, someone who doesn't give a damn what this series used to  be or someone who simply no longer remembers what this series used to be. In a way, a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the Boruto series.

I hate the fact that Naruto in all his life piqued and learned everything he wanted long before the series even ended. He didn't learn any other wind techniques, didn't learn any more sage techniques or frog, and he CERTAINLY didn't learn Tobirama and his father's technique seeing how he could have. Like, at least give me something new. I can think of several new techniques he could have learned...some that could even be scientifically possible like using wind pressure to stop projectiles or making invisible projectiles using wind.

Look at Jojo's Bizarre Adventure for example and see how weaker opponents can overpower stronger opponents using quick thinking and outsmarting them than just DBZ's "make my number bigger."

 

Which is again why the are using Kaguya's clan members or people powered up by them; as they are the only ones that can give Naruto and Sasuke any real fight.

 

As for why Naruto is so weak. Naruto was clearly abandon the second the sequel was ordered just like everything else was sacrificed for Hinata and her son. How can the true protagonist, Boruto, be impressive when you compare him to a demi-god? So Naruto went to rust so Bolt can fight by his side and be in cool fight. The reason he is in constant fights is to allow Bolt be involved in them without much danger, and to milk his popularity till they kill him off.

 

This is such a bad premise and the reason Super fails too.
You have a whole universe of characters to explore, even a whole world, and....you reduce down to a couple of blocks. Are you serious? The Ootsutsuki clan is boring. At least point, the war arc would have been better conceived if it was the entire clan fighting everyone else. 
Almost like a Lovecraftian story where the people of the world fight off a great evil that only existed in legends until now. 

Like, where are they all coming from?
And if Naruto, as weak as he is, can take them on...does this make HIM weak or does it make these Clan members weak?
 

I don't get the premise of Boruto anymore. Everyone says it is good, but they are just repeating concepts over and over...and not in a good way...and the more they keep repeating the worse it makes Naruto and his generation look. 

Meanwhile, you have the generation before Naruto and they are powerful, but they EARNED their power. Hiruzen is old and he fights Orochimaru to almost a stand still with the only real defining factor is that Orochimaru is younger and uses what I would call "black techniques" to win. Yet the third was still able to cripple him albeit sacrifice everything. It was a good message how far a true Hokage will go to protect his people even if it means sacrificing everything he is.

And remember, THAT fight was considered Hokage level combat...Naruto should be doing far more and yet he doesn't even match the skill the Third had.

 


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Posted 09 October 2021 - 05:42 PM

I hate the fact that Naruto in all his life piqued and learned everything he wanted long before the series even ended. He didn't learn any other wind techniques, didn't learn any more sage techniques or frog, and he CERTAINLY didn't learn Tobirama and his father's technique seeing how he could have. Like, at least give me something new. I can think of several new techniques he could have learned...some that could even be scientifically possible like using wind pressure to stop projectiles or making invisible projectiles using wind.

Look at Jojo's Bizarre Adventure for example and see how weaker opponents can overpower stronger opponents using quick thinking and outsmarting them than just DBZ's "make my number bigger."

Your "Wind Shield-Wall" was used by Molding Cannibal.

 

Naruto did learn how to make an earth wall something that in Naruto was able to be taught to every ninja in the alliance in seconds.

 

It largely seems to be Kishimoto and the rest stop having Naruto learn stuff so Bolt can learn it.

 

This is such a bad premise and the reason Super fails too.

You have a whole universe of characters to explore, even a whole world, and....you reduce down to a couple of blocks. Are you serious? The Ootsutsuki clan is boring. At least point, the war arc would have been better conceived if it was the entire clan fighting everyone else. 
Almost like a Lovecraftian story where the people of the world fight off a great evil that only existed in legends until now. 

Like, where are they all coming from?
And if Naruto, as weak as he is, can take them on...does this make HIM weak or does it make these Clan members weak?
 

I don't get the premise of Boruto anymore. Everyone says it is good, but they are just repeating concepts over and over...and not in a good way...and the more they keep repeating the worse it makes Naruto and his generation look. 

Meanwhile, you have the generation before Naruto and they are powerful, but they EARNED their power. Hiruzen is old and he fights Orochimaru to almost a stand still with the only real defining factor is that Orochimaru is younger and uses what I would call "black techniques" to win. Yet the third was still able to cripple him albeit sacrifice everything. It was a good message how far a true Hokage will go to protect his people even if it means sacrificing everything he is.

And remember, THAT fight was considered Hokage level combat...Naruto should be doing far more and yet he doesn't even match the skill the Third had.

In Dragon Ball Z, Goku was already the strongest in his universe after defeating Freeza. Every villain after was trying to work around how to make a more powerful foe.

 

In Super, it start off with Goku fighting the God of Destruction. Even throughout the multiverse, there are only so many people that could match a god of destruction. 

 

....Who says Boruto's premise is good? Its currently just repeating the SNS conflict; one of the most hated part of Naruto. Hell, because of that, they aren't even following Bolt's goal of becoming Salad's Danzo.



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Posted 09 October 2021 - 11:49 PM

In Super, it start off with Goku fighting the God of Destruction. Even throughout the multiverse, there are only so many people that could match a god of destruction. 

 

That's the point though. You start the series off by using a character who is "one of the strongest beings in existence?" Why? They said Freeza was the strongest in the universe and yet he wasn't. Then they said Cell was stronger...and then he wasn't. Then you had Buu who apparently always existed and was the most powerful, and now he isn't.

Where is the cap? Zeno? Will Goku ever beat Zeno and if he does who else can challenge him?
 

Your "Wind Shield-Wall" was used by Molding Cannibal.

 

And The Flash and Yasuo and a few other character that can control wind pressure...except Naruto
 

Naruto did learn how to make an earth wall something that in Naruto was able to be taught to every ninja in the alliance in seconds.

 

 

Yay? I guess, but no wind techniques? I guess those were just too hard.

 

It largely seems to be Kishimoto and the rest stop having Naruto learn stuff so Bolt can learn it.

 

 

I guess....Boruto is just practically perfect in every way
 

....Who says Boruto's premise is good?

 

Let's see twitter Naruto fans, tumblr Naruto fans, and a good chunk of the remaining Naruto fan page.

And it must be good if they say it is so popular in Japan.


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Posted 10 October 2021 - 01:48 AM

That's the point though. You start the series off by using a character who is "one of the strongest beings in existence?" Why? They said Freeza was the strongest in the universe and yet he wasn't. Then they said Cell was stronger...and then he wasn't. Then you had Buu who apparently always existed and was the most powerful, and now he isn't.

Where is the cap? Zeno? Will Goku ever beat Zeno and if he does who else can challenge him?
 

Let's see twitter Naruto fans, tumblr Naruto fans, and a good chunk of the remaining Naruto fan page.

And it must be good if they say it is so popular in Japan.

The point of Zeno is that he is on top but he is not a fighter so Goku will never fight him. So Goku already somewhat reached his cap and is fighting people around that.

 

In japan, its anime is on Sunday the only day kids don't have school, its been downgraded to babies first shounen in its target audience, and its on a time slot where it doesn't seem to have fierce competition. Its watched because it on at a convenient time with nothing else on, but it doesn't mean it loved. The manga is still doing poorly.







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